what the most disappointing thing co related and why
> expected 7/10 movie got 5/10 movie instead
The amazing thing is how they managed to raise my hopes and dash them repeatedly. Almost like it was on purpose.
>expected 7/10 movie got 5/10
That's hardly disappointing at all.
the star wars prequels are 5/10 to me. 5/10 its means it bland as fuck to me. it like going to you favorite restaurant getting a good looking burger and you taste nothing
I don't know if it's the most disappointing overall, but probably the console wars type discussions that have become prevalent instead how it was before way back in 2011 where everyone like individual characters instead of having some kind of brand loyalty.
Also the bottom half of this picture being used seriously on /co/ in Superman threads when /co/ should know full well that context matters especially in comics.
whats half of infinity
Just a rehashed version of the first one only with the Dragonborn, less supporting character screen time and a death of a major character that was suppose to be emotional but I gave no fucks.
This movie was all kinds of disappointing. It felt like a letdown, especially since I fucking loved the first film to death. How much? I went to the movie theater 4 times to see the first movie when it came out because of how good it was.
But this film, oh god, it felt like everyone was holding the idiot ball. Only good thing about this movie was the fantastic visuals and art, but that is it. How the hell did they fuck up?
Also, just like every other fan, I am saltier that the Dead Sea over how they fucking revealed Hiccup's mother in it. Would of have been such a good reveal in the movie.
Since you're probably waiting to delete your first post..
Fucking trailer reveals. I was in denial and thought there'd be some sort of twist to it like she was the one who raised Toothless and she wasn't really talking about Hiccup, or just another huge twist but no. They just shoved this mysterious dragon rider then hard cuts to 'i'm your mother' in the same goddamn trailer.
Brave was the ultimate Disney branded disappointment.
Unwanted my epic adventure that the teasers alluded to! Fuck you, Disney. Ralph or Paranorman should have beat that over hyped garbage
Never have I been as disappointed as when I saw this in the theater.
>didn't see that train wreck from light-years away
not to mention unproven children actors are the riskiest shit even if shishimidoingding wasn't associated with it
>ow the edge antagonist
But that's the best part.
>rey and finn are realateable
an emotionless mary sue, and an out of character conscript from childhood who can't commit violence except on his comrads from child hood
if those 3 cover the whole movie, they cover the whole movie
kylo was a 20 something with rich parents, and no reason to be troubled, and had magic powers, thats not worthy of empathy when hes edgy for no reason, I was hoping that han solo was going to give him a spanking
>i give you ray but finn had a realized that the first order was evil after they slaughter a entire village for nothing
>3 robot hiddeing something bar and death star all handle completely different form ep lv
i do i'm sometimes in the mood for a burger form a restaurant
>they slaughter a entire village for nothing
then they are cartoonishly evil, and the film still suffers for it
the actress didn't really convince me
just like children actors don't convince me
if they break the suspension of disbeleife with pile of crap ,its not the viewers fault
robot hiddeing something bar and death star all handle completely different form ep lv
C'mon man you had to notice that the confrontation between Kylo and Han was meant to shadow the confrontation between Obi Wan and Darth Vader in A New Hope.
>kylo was a 20 something with rich parents, and no reason to be troubled, and had magic powers, thats not worthy of empathy when hes edgy for no reason
The son of a bitch is literally Darth Millennial.
I didn't say it did a good job, I was trying to argue in favor of the movie riding a new hope's dick as much as possible and trying to copy it as much as it could so the audience would buy into the nostalgia factor. It's also why Kylo and Rey's character introduction and plot points were basically fast forwarded with clip shows to make room for more Han and Leia.
If he was just a Darth Vader clone it would be underwhelming, but alright that's not hard to do, easier to pull off.
Problem is they went out of their way to present him as a tryhard wannabe, but they didn't explain his motivations well enough particularly since he's Vader's grandson, not just some random darksider. And what's worse is they also presented him as conflicted when he only did evil stuff. More ambitious concept to be sure, but execution was lacking. So double underwhelming.
No they presented him as a legit threat. He was the leader of the Knights of Ren who were a faction of students in Luke's new Jedi Order that rebelled against Luke and slaughtered all of the new Jedi who didn't join them. The problem was they just presented that in one sentence of dialogue and a couple flash frames. They shouldn't have even dropped that information unless they were gonna do a flash back at the least.
>No they presented him as a legit threat
And IF you HAVE to have that info before you even are introduced to the character, then its a failure
Why is he trying to be darth vader? doesn't he know his grandfather redeemed himself and killed the emperor to SAVE family?
Well he's a legit threat but still a tryhard wannabe compared to Vader. Plus he prays to his helmet and shit.
>Knights of Ren were a faction of students in Luke's new Jedi Order
Uh? Is this from the new Visual Dictionary?
>Why is he trying to be darth vader? doesn't he know his grandfather redeemed himself and killed the emperor to SAVE family?
Why was the mask in one piece? I mean it's pretty clear it wasn't like that when the death star II exploded.
That's what I got from the flashbacks in the movie. Kylo is the leader of the Knights of Ren, and the flashback in the movie shows a bunch of guys with red lightsabers dressed up like Kylo Ren killing Luke's students.
maybe he saw it as darth vader being sadused by the light? that how i take it
>sadused by the light i put2 and 2 togather
you have to be a troll or have brain damage
it has to explain why the thinks the light side is bad
When the prequil explained Anakins fall, it at least tried, even if it was retarded
>about aggregating power, at all costs
>lies deceit, and destruction
It actually did a really damn good job at making the dark side look undesirable, you dipshit
you don't even know what spoon-feeding is
you are a retard, just stop trying
I don't know having his mind messed up because a Padame took advantage of him statutory rape style was an alright explanation. At least that's how I see it, because his clingy obsession with her seems like something a kid would develop when an adult is fucking them.
_/10 scales are crap because anything below 5/10 is generally considered to be total shit by most people.
I use a 5 point system, 5 being highest and 1 being "avoid this at all costs."
I think LoK ranks way up there on the hype crash meter.
But I think 9 probably rates highest for me. That trailer looked 5/5, the movie was pretty much 2/5, Ok if you didn't pay for it and you have nothing else better to do.
Forgive me if i didn't try to explain George Lucas going senile while writing that script
They met for one month when he was little, and he maintained a obsession for her for 10 years while being celebate
The only thing that doesn't make sense is why she wasn't hella creeped out by it when he confessed it to her while she was isolated with him, in hiding
You cannot even think padme was responsible for anything before that confession
Also still makes either of them, and thier motivations, out to be stupid as fuck
finn's issue was never violence in and of itself
it was hurting innocents for no reason. once given a valid reason to fight, rey, and being sure he was on the right side he had no issue with violence.
Thats still stupid
as a conscript trained from childhood, his empathy would be crushed under his orders, AND as enemies of the first order, they wouldn't be "innocents", and certainly not to fucking drive him to abandon his comrads
If not, then why did no other conscript flake like him?
>expected brave redhead joining epic conflict killing bears etc.
instead got mommy issues, forced marriage problems, unfunny scots and crazy old lady who's only solution to problem is to turn everyone into bears
im only doing it to piss you off
But no one ever rates things 10/10 and when you do, people assume your a paid shill or one of those people who rates something high because it's new. Also literally anything under 5 is shit. Would you go to see a movie people had rated 5/10? Would you play a game rated 5/10? I wouldn't and most other people wouldn't either. 1/10 - 5/10 are practically the same rating.
Because that is the fucking point of these kind of movies. Leaving a bunch of shit untold so people can make up theories until the sequel comes around. We don't know why Kylo Ren is evil. Disney didn't want us to know why Kylo Ren is evil.
Well basically I guess my rating numbers have meaning.
5 = See this many times in the theater and buy it later. Maybe get the OST also.
4 = Worth paying for a theater ticket for
3 = Rental
2 = Okay if you don't have to pay for it and you have nothing better to do
1 = Avoid at all costs. If you're hanging out with friends and they decide to watch this movie, leave.
Few movies get a 1 from me. Home on the Range comes to mind.
it was okay to me it just didn't live up to season one
have you seen a Quinton Tarantino movie or read a puinsher comic or deadpool comic none o f those main characters in those movies or comic are relateable but they fun to watch or read
I dunno about this "pleb" "plebian" /tv/ meme shit, but I've never seen the need for characters to align with my race/gender/etc to be able to relate to them. I can watch a movie about fat black lesbian Buddhists and relate to it as long as there's human emotion involved in the story.
as a deadpool fan since about i wanna say 2007 he is a psycho
Yeah. To be fair, the director himself was pissed they put that plot point in the trailer and advised people not to watch it. It was Dreamworks marketing being retarded as usual.
>Scottish girl fighting bears in a fantasy Scotland
>THIS LOOKS FUCKING RAD
>Well, Merida is kinda annoying
>The mother/daughter plot might be interesting though
>NOPE SHE'S A BEAR NOW
>WACKY BEAR ANTICS
>MERIDA IS AN IRREDEEMABLE CUNT
God fucking damnit
I feel like what made the first movie so good was that everything about it was very tight. It was set on a small stage, with several storylines going on at the same time, and only a few highly developed characters that all have clashing goals and personalities, leading to a lot of different sources of conflict.
The TV series and sequel threw that out the window in favor of completely linear and shallow 'adventures' where they go to some new place, meet a new dragon/villain, and then do some straightforward task in relation to the new dragon/villain. It feels more like a video game then a proper film.
>the main villain (i don't even remember his name) was just sitting their while Hiccup was getting toothless back not doing anything
>toothless becoming the alpha over a giant dragon
night fury or not that was total bullshit
This should have became an early Version of Revenant
I love her design actually. It's her personality that's fucking garbage.
If it's one thing Brave did right it's the character designs and visuals. Too bad that's pretty much the only thing.
>>kylo was a 20 something with rich parents, and no reason to be troubled, and had magic powers, thats not worthy of empathy when hes edgy for no reason, I was hoping that han solo was going to give him a spanking
That's the point, nimrod. He's not supposed to be threatening or feel legitimate once the mask comes off.
He's a spoiled bratty kid rebelling from his parents in the worst way. He misuses his powers, he throws tantrums, and foils his own plan because of an overreaching gambit he couldn't pull off on his own. He's not Darth Vader.
That's why his actual fall is so realistic. He doesn't take his fight seriously with finn, and because of that he loses to the girl he could've killed or just abandoned on the forest planet in favor of the droid. It ends up in him being horribly injured and destroyed emotionally. What kind of fucking villain gets that good of an incentive to destroy the protagonists in the next film?
Kylo is the best thing about TFA
ive never found anyone who ever shared this opinion with me. michael cera doesnt get scott's character at all, hes just really awkward and not fun
ramona was a snorefest, they tried to tell us that shes like the hottest shit in the world but she does practically nothing besides fight roxie to show it. plus shes a monolith, i think i only saw emotion coming from her like 2 times in the entire film
the dialogue is done in such a fucking awkward way (not funny awkward though), it just really feels like the direction was super terrible because these actors are not particularly bad but this film makes it look like it. plus it feels totally fake, like when scott is talking to natalie on the phone, he is supposed to be nervous, but he still immediately responds to everything she says immediately as if he is literally reading the script in front of his fucking face. i hate when films do this, dont they know that people think before they talk???
the only things i enjoyed were like the action scenes and some of the jokes and wallace, but jesus christ everything else was bleh. i legitimately dont get all the positive reviews on this
This. I can't remember being more disappointed in a film. Trailer made it look fucking awesome too.
I thought the art direction was really neat. The universe they created, and the creatures they filled it with were really cool. It just lacked more backstory. It literally feels like someone just chopped off the first half of the movie, leaving us with some action sequences, and little character development.
Probably would have done better as a series of comics/novels.
characters are either too perfect, hypocritical to their own characters, or are played off as a joke.
The movie also had almost zero tension and Han walking to his death felt super forced
imagine how much better it would be if he just tried to avoid violence at all cost. Would make things infinitely more interesting and its not like his kills meant anything besides betraying his character
not him, but she IS a mary sue. First time out of the planet, but she can understand languages that she shouldn't, she can pilot on space and she can fight with a light saber on par with a guy that wiped an entire temple, and she can even use the mind trick from Nothing.
She fights an injured Kylo Ren and spends the entire fight being defensive and runs from him.
And no one seems to bitch about Luke being able to pilot an X-Wing with zero training.
In his backstory, he was noted to be both unusually skilled and unusually empathetic for a trooper by Phasma and his other superiors. He has an unusual tolerance for failrue in his subordinates/squadmates and went out of his way to help this one loser nicknamed Slips or something to pass training. Presumably, the Trooper who dies in the invasion and smears blood on his face before he PTSDs the hell out of there is Slips.
I saw the original short during an exhibition of UCLA animation student work, and it blew me away.
As fate would have it, my roommate at the time was dating the art director for the feature length version. I couldn't really give him shit because it sure looked great.
So just like Rey? She states she can pilot before the steal the Falcon and then ends up being very good at it. Just like Luke.
Why do people think Star Wars is filled with deep and meaningful characters when they are all simplistic as fuck for a reason? Rey is no different than any OT character.
It makes one wonder if she could pilot a hyperspace-capable ship, she didn't just leave that shithole instead of being a poverty-stricken shipbreaker. It took Finn a grand total of 5 minutes in a totally-not-Mos-Eisley to get a new job on a ship.
She didn't want to leave she was clear about that. She wanted to wait for her family to return. She tells Finn, she tells Han, and she tells Maz. She could have left Jakku she just didn't want to.
It seems like the "good ending" would have been for all of the puppets to sacrifice themselves to the machine, so that the scientist's soul would take control of it, and, I dunno... make a new puppet world. Rather than the "Well, everything on the surface of the earth is probably dead, and the only two things that remain don't have any genitals" ending.
First, the problem here is how she proceeds to pilot in space. Second, why every argument about Force awakens has to be "it happened in the other movies, so it's okay"? the others weren't that good, but FA is even more illogical. That's why it's bad. As i said, piloting is not the only issue with Rey. She IS a mary sue, and it's not only piloting in space that makes her that.
Because the other movies are the basis of how fucking characters are built in these movies. Rey isn't a Mary Sue because she doesn't really do anything anyone else couldn't in the frame of this universe and that's a big factor in what a Sue is. A special snowflake who excells at everything even when others can't. Rey is on equal footing with other Wars characters doing nothing out of the ordinary.
At best you could argue the mind trick but they established she knows about Jedi and the force and ones faith in the force drives their powers so it still works. And you get a scene prior to that where she essentially learns from Kylo Ren.
And yeah the originals aren't that great but people are so clouded by nostalgia its ridiculous.
> she doesn't really do anything anyone else couldn't in the frame of this universe and that's a big factor in what a Sue is.
not really. Mary sue is basically a special snowflake, it doesn't need to be unique. A lot of rare traits and in one person can make a mary sue as well.
>At best you could argue the mind trick but they established she knows about Jedi and the force
no, they didn't.
>you get a scene prior to that where she essentially learns from Kylo Ren.
invading her mind is different from the mind trick.