most disapointed

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>pic related
The amazing thing is how they managed to raise my hopes and dash them repeatedly. Almost like it was on purpose.

>>78854492
>expected 7/10 movie got 5/10
That's hardly disappointing at all.

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>>78854600
the star wars prequels are 5/10 to me. 5/10 its means it bland as fuck to me. it like going to you favorite restaurant getting a good looking burger and you taste nothing

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I don't know if it's the most disappointing overall, but probably the console wars type discussions that have become prevalent instead how it was before way back in 2011 where everyone like individual characters instead of having some kind of brand loyalty.

Also the bottom half of this picture being used seriously on /co/ in Superman threads when /co/ should know full well that context matters especially in comics.

>>78854698
The new Star Wars EU for me.

>>78854744
Even in context it's insane.

>>78854853
no don't get me wrong it's stupid as fuck but it's not a determination of power level

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>>78855060
he still lifted infinity

>>78855099
I'm just referencing the one picture as being used out of context not any of his other feats

>>78855099
Technically he only lifted half of infinity while Shazam lifted the other half.

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>>78855142
whats half of infinity

HTTYD 2.
Just a rehashed version of the first one only with the Dragonborn, less supporting character screen time and a death of a major character that was suppose to be emotional but I gave no fucks.

>>78855194
∞/2
So why the hell didn't he just lift it by himself?

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This movie was all kinds of disappointing. It felt like a letdown, especially since I fucking loved the first film to death. How much? I went to the movie theater 4 times to see the first movie when it came out because of how good it was.

But this film, oh god, it felt like everyone was holding the idiot ball. Only good thing about this movie was the fantastic visuals and art, but that is it. How the hell did they fuck up?

Also, just like every other fan, I am saltier that the Dead Sea over how they fucking revealed Hiccup's mother in it. Would of have been such a good reveal in the movie.

>>78855236
to make shazam feel like he's helping

>>78855250
Since you're probably waiting to delete your first post..
Fucking trailer reveals. I was in denial and thought there'd be some sort of twist to it like she was the one who raised Toothless and she wasn't really talking about Hiccup, or just another huge twist but no. They just shoved this mysterious dragon rider then hard cuts to 'i'm your mother' in the same goddamn trailer.

>>78855292
Yeah, it was like if the Empire Strikes Back would of have revealed Darth Vader was Luke's father in a trailer.

>>78854492
Since Star Wars is apparently /co/ related, nothing could possibly trump The Force Awakens in the shitshow department.

>>78854492
I thought HTTYD2 was even worse and more disappointing (expected 8/10, got 4/10)

Brave was the ultimate Disney branded disappointment.

Unwanted my epic adventure that the teasers alluded to! Fuck you, Disney. Ralph or Paranorman should have beat that over hyped garbage

>>78855250
>>78855362
This

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>>78854492
Never have I been as disappointed as when I saw this in the theater.

>>78855408
This

The movie was perfect until she met the witch

after that point it went full retarded

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>>78855362
Really, you sure?

>>78855362
i dont think TFA was bad but that your opinion man

>>78855420
>shamalamdingdong
>didn't see that train wreck from light-years away
not to mention unproven children actors are the riskiest shit even if shishimidoingding wasn't associated with it

>>78855437
>literally A new hope rearranged, because that's JarJarAbrams shtick
>unrelate-able cast
>ow the edge antagonist

>>78855467
> rey and finn are realateable
>3 plot major points was reused
> and kylo was suppose to feel like a edgy troubled kid

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>>78855467
>ow the edge antagonist

But that's the best part.

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>>78855520
>rey and finn are realateable
an emotionless mary sue, and an out of character conscript from childhood who can't commit violence except on his comrads from child hood

>3
if those 3 cover the whole movie, they cover the whole movie

>supposed to
>>78855550
kylo was a 20 something with rich parents, and no reason to be troubled, and had magic powers, thats not worthy of empathy when hes edgy for no reason, I was hoping that han solo was going to give him a spanking

>>78855467
Anon I don't think people like Kylo because they thought he was super cool or intimidating.

>>78855604
Yeah ok, then why do they like him?

>>78854698
Who the fuck goes to a restaurant and ask for a simple burger?

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>>78855567
>i give you ray but finn had a realized that the first order was evil after they slaughter a entire village for nothing
>3 robot hiddeing something bar and death star all handle completely different form ep lv

>>78855567

>emotionless mary sue

Confirmed didn't watch the movie. Or you're an idiot that just spits buzzwords without knowing their meaning, either way your opinion is shit.

>>78855520
Supposed to but the movie failed to convince like >>78855567 said

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>>78855652
i do i'm sometimes in the mood for a burger form a restaurant

>>78855625
wuvvy iddle puppy

BLEEEEEEEECH

>>78855520
>finn
>realatable

Finn is a piece of shit that allowed billions of people to die by not anyone about the Starkiller.

>>78855656
>they slaughter a entire village for nothing
then they are cartoonishly evil, and the film still suffers for it

>>78855660
the actress didn't really convince me
just like children actors don't convince me
if they break the suspension of disbeleife with pile of crap ,its not the viewers fault

>>78855656
>>3 robot hiddeing something bar and death star all handle completely different form ep lv
C'mon man you had to notice that the confrontation between Kylo and Han was meant to shadow the confrontation between Obi Wan and Darth Vader in A New Hope.

>>78855625
Because he is an edgy vader fanboy who throws tantrums, not the cool vader 0.2 he wants to be perceived as. He's an amusing character.

>>78855678
no i think it pulled it off well and you just thought he was going to a Darth Vader clone and he disapointed you

>>78855707
Thats not amusing, its annoying

>>78855704
It was a pale lifeless imitation just like Kylo

such pottery

>>78855712
Didn't annoy me.

>>78855625
They either think he's a funny meme character or actually empathize with him for some reason.

>>78855722
It annoyed me.

Civil War now.

>>78855704
meh i saw it more as the i am your father scene form ESB but if Darth was son and Luke was father

>>78855567
>kylo was a 20 something with rich parents, and no reason to be troubled, and had magic powers, thats not worthy of empathy when hes edgy for no reason

The son of a bitch is literally Darth Millennial.

>>78855733
>>78855722
Just fuck already.

>>78855713
I didn't say it did a good job, I was trying to argue in favor of the movie riding a new hope's dick as much as possible and trying to copy it as much as it could so the audience would buy into the nostalgia factor. It's also why Kylo and Rey's character introduction and plot points were basically fast forwarded with clip shows to make room for more Han and Leia.

>>78855758
shhhh that not till the season two finale

>>78855755
Sorta?
Real Millennials, have (maybe) rich parents who fucking shat all over them, also don't have magic powers

>>78855786
leia has the force

>>78855805
Ok? not sure why that matters to the analogy in any way?
Are you suggesting leia shat all over rylo at some point?

>>78855805
She doesn't really use it though, outside of being able to tell when someone dies very far away.

>>78855710
If he was just a Darth Vader clone it would be underwhelming, but alright that's not hard to do, easier to pull off.

Problem is they went out of their way to present him as a tryhard wannabe, but they didn't explain his motivations well enough particularly since he's Vader's grandson, not just some random darksider. And what's worse is they also presented him as conflicted when he only did evil stuff. More ambitious concept to be sure, but execution was lacking. So double underwhelming.

>>78855420

I watched a camrip in a stream with /co/ and couldn't have had more fun. Especially when we all started spreading "this coffee is great" and people took the bait.

>>78855856
>"this coffee is great"

Explain kind sir

BH6 was such a bland movie. Only redeeming thing was the robot.

>>78855838
>tryhard wannabe
No they presented him as a legit threat. He was the leader of the Knights of Ren who were a faction of students in Luke's new Jedi Order that rebelled against Luke and slaughtered all of the new Jedi who didn't join them. The problem was they just presented that in one sentence of dialogue and a couple flash frames. They shouldn't have even dropped that information unless they were gonna do a flash back at the least.

>>78855888
>No they presented him as a legit threat
They tried
They failed

And IF you HAVE to have that info before you even are introduced to the character, then its a failure

Why is he trying to be darth vader? doesn't he know his grandfather redeemed himself and killed the emperor to SAVE family?

>>78855881
i know right and why is it even called big hero 6 if u going to foucus on one goddamn characters

>>78855888
Well he's a legit threat but still a tryhard wannabe compared to Vader. Plus he prays to his helmet and shit.

>Knights of Ren were a faction of students in Luke's new Jedi Order

Uh? Is this from the new Visual Dictionary?

>>78855905
>Why is he trying to be darth vader? doesn't he know his grandfather redeemed himself and killed the emperor to SAVE family?
Why was the mask in one piece? I mean it's pretty clear it wasn't like that when the death star II exploded.

>>78855940
Wat?
Luke reassembled the mask on vader for the funeral pyre
Theres an iconic scene in 6 with the flames rising over the silouete of the mask

>>78855920
That's what I got from the flashbacks in the movie. Kylo is the leader of the Knights of Ren, and the flashback in the movie shows a bunch of guys with red lightsabers dressed up like Kylo Ren killing Luke's students.

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>>78855905
maybe he saw it as darth vader being sadused by the light? that how i take it

>>78855972
if you have to use "maybe" and post-hoc rationalization, THE MOVIE FAILED

Holy fuck stop talking about Star Wars in a thread about cartoons.

>>78855994
>The movie has to spell everything out for me or else it failed

>>78856017
It has to inform AT ALL

>>78855994
no it means the movie dont spoon feed information to you he says he wont be sadused by the light i put2 and 2 togather

>>78854492
Movies usually are a disappointment when the characters in the movie poster are looking at you with goofy looking faces.

Such as the image op has posted.

>>78855957
I thought Kylo was the only Jedi who turned evil, like Vader again. Maybe Snoke founded the order, recruited his own guys but got him as the leader.

>>78856029
>sadused by the light i put2 and 2 togather
you have to be a troll or have brain damage

it has to explain why the thinks the light side is bad

When the prequil explained Anakins fall, it at least tried, even if it was retarded

>>78856045
do any star wars movie explain why the dark side is evil no they never did

>>78856076
>dark side
>kills wantonly
>about aggregating power, at all costs
>lies deceit, and destruction
It actually did a really damn good job at making the dark side look undesirable, you dipshit

you don't even know what spoon-feeding is

you are a retard, just stop trying

>>78856045
I don't know having his mind messed up because a Padame took advantage of him statutory rape style was an alright explanation. At least that's how I see it, because his clingy obsession with her seems like something a kid would develop when an adult is fucking them.

>>78856107
yeah and being in a cult when no sex love happiness is more desirable then fighting when your pissed off

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>>78854600
_/10 scales are crap because anything below 5/10 is generally considered to be total shit by most people.
I use a 5 point system, 5 being highest and 1 being "avoid this at all costs."
I think LoK ranks way up there on the hype crash meter.

But I think 9 probably rates highest for me. That trailer looked 5/5, the movie was pretty much 2/5, Ok if you didn't pay for it and you have nothing else better to do.

>>78856115
Forgive me if i didn't try to explain George Lucas going senile while writing that script

They met for one month when he was little, and he maintained a obsession for her for 10 years while being celebate

The only thing that doesn't make sense is why she wasn't hella creeped out by it when he confessed it to her while she was isolated with him, in hiding

You cannot even think padme was responsible for anything before that confession

Also still makes either of them, and thier motivations, out to be stupid as fuck

>>78855567
finn's issue was never violence in and of itself

it was hurting innocents for no reason. once given a valid reason to fight, rey, and being sure he was on the right side he had no issue with violence.

>>78856143
wat?

luke didn't impose the celibacy onto the new jedi order.
He was aiming for more grey, than light or dark.

>>78856107
further more that was in the seconod movie
the first didn't explain that is that a flaw on ANH

>>78856155
Wait they only met for one month, I guess I really don't remember Clone Wars at all. I thought they kept in contact that whole time.

>>78856171
Thats still stupid

as a conscript trained from childhood, his empathy would be crushed under his orders, AND as enemies of the first order, they wouldn't be "innocents", and certainly not to fucking drive him to abandon his comrads

If not, then why did no other conscript flake like him?

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>expected brave redhead joining epic conflict killing bears etc.

instead got mommy issues, forced marriage problems, unfunny scots and crazy old lady who's only solution to problem is to turn everyone into bears

>>78856175
I will say this simply

WRITE
COMPLETE
IDEAS
RETARD

&

DON'T
USE
UNPRECEDENTED
PRONOUNS
YOU
TWIT

stop posting half phrases that have no connection to anything

>>78855905
Maybe he was told stories about how badass and evil Vader was, but was never informed about his change of heart? Or Luke told him, and he didn't believe it for whatever reason.

>>78856180
they met for one month when he was a CHILD

he had the obsession BEFORE the clone wars

they met for a month at the start of the clone wars

>>78854492
>Expected more ass shots of Gogo
>Didn't get as many as I wanted

My Gogo did not Tomogo

>>78856151
it easy to understand 123 is shit 456 is ok 789 good 10 perfect

>>78856219
Why even attempt post-hoc rationalizations that are this stupid, and only make more problems?

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>>78856214
im only doing it to piss you off

>>78856270
yeah i though so

>>78856236
But no one ever rates things 10/10 and when you do, people assume your a paid shill or one of those people who rates something high because it's new. Also literally anything under 5 is shit. Would you go to see a movie people had rated 5/10? Would you play a game rated 5/10? I wouldn't and most other people wouldn't either. 1/10 - 5/10 are practically the same rating.

so are we done talking about star wars i think were done

rick and Morty season 2 was super disappointing to me

>>78856332
therideneverends.gif

>>78856317
for me personal i hate the 1/5 it like is 3 ok is it bad idk then i have to read the review which the point of a rating is so you can skip the review

>>78856241
Because that is the fucking point of these kind of movies. Leaving a bunch of shit untold so people can make up theories until the sequel comes around. We don't know why Kylo Ren is evil. Disney didn't want us to know why Kylo Ren is evil.

>>78856364
Well basically I guess my rating numbers have meaning.
5 = See this many times in the theater and buy it later. Maybe get the OST also.
4 = Worth paying for a theater ticket for
3 = Rental
2 = Okay if you don't have to pay for it and you have nothing better to do
1 = Avoid at all costs. If you're hanging out with friends and they decide to watch this movie, leave.
Few movies get a 1 from me. Home on the Range comes to mind.

>>78856332
I liked it.

>>78855467
>unrelate-able cast
>characters have to be relate-able for me to enjoy the movie

You're literally a pleb.

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>>78856410
it was okay to me it just didn't live up to season one

>>78855250
I always hate the "Mum abandons child but gets let off the hook cause "She's my mother!!"

Fucking bullshit. I don't know why absent parents get so much leeway in films and TV

>>78856413
Yeah the fucking main characters have to be relateable

Why the fuck do I have to say that on /co/ of all places?

>>78854492
Didn't this win a fucking oscar?

>>78856455
It's a plebeian criticism, on par with "boring" and "slow."

>>78856455
have you seen a Quinton Tarantino movie or read a puinsher comic or deadpool comic none o f those main characters in those movies or comic are relateable but they fun to watch or read

>>78856458
sadly now a days they give anything in oscar except Leonardo Decapero

>>78856413
>>78856455
>>78856489
I dunno about this "pleb" "plebian" /tv/ meme shit, but I've never seen the need for characters to align with my race/gender/etc to be able to relate to them. I can watch a movie about fat black lesbian Buddhists and relate to it as long as there's human emotion involved in the story.

good dinosaur was abysmal

>>78856509
None of the examples you cited are unrelateable

deadpool is funny

the punisher is just

what Tarantino film has unrelateable characters?

>>78856608
hateful 8
Resavour dogs
pulp fiction
and deadpool is a psychopath if you can relate you have a problem

>>78856678
>deadpool is a psychopath if you can relate you have a problem

Holy shit, you might have gotten away with those Tarantino films, but you tipped your hand to far you troll

>>78856697
I dunno, Deadpool is a little coo coo for cocoa puffs to be honest.

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>>78856697
as a deadpool fan since about i wanna say 2007 he is a psycho

>>78855292
Yeah. To be fair, the director himself was pissed they put that plot point in the trailer and advised people not to watch it. It was Dreamworks marketing being retarded as usual.

>>78856458
its disney

boxtrolls was really disappointing lakia had two good movie then they shat out that crap

>>78856890
Well, I'm hoping it was their 'Cars.'

>>78856921
yeah let hope there no cars2 for them

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>teasers released
>Scottish girl fighting bears in a fantasy Scotland
>THIS LOOKS FUCKING RAD
>Watch movie
>Well, Merida is kinda annoying
>The mother/daughter plot might be interesting though
>NOPE SHE'S A BEAR NOW
>WACKY BEAR ANTICS
>MERIDA IS AN IRREDEEMABLE CUNT
God fucking damnit

>>78855250
I feel like what made the first movie so good was that everything about it was very tight. It was set on a small stage, with several storylines going on at the same time, and only a few highly developed characters that all have clashing goals and personalities, leading to a lot of different sources of conflict.

The TV series and sequel threw that out the window in favor of completely linear and shallow 'adventures' where they go to some new place, meet a new dragon/villain, and then do some straightforward task in relation to the new dragon/villain. It feels more like a video game then a proper film.

>>78855250
>the main villain (i don't even remember his name) was just sitting their while Hiccup was getting toothless back not doing anything
>toothless becoming the alpha over a giant dragon
night fury or not that was total bullshit

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>>78856983
This should have became an early Version of Revenant

batman Arkham knight the Devs say it a new nope jason todd

>>78854492
maybe you should stop watching children's movies anon, and then you'll be disappointed less?

>>78857676
i seen it with my kid so i thought it would be at least enterting

>>78857710
ah, fair enough.

>>78856983

>>78856204

i see you missed my post.

Also her design is terrible.

>>78854492
I don't know what you were expecting. I loved it. maybe you should consider watching movies for adults then.

>>78858528
hateful 8 was good desu sempai

>>78858570
i seen it it was badass

>>78858343
I love her design actually. It's her personality that's fucking garbage.
If it's one thing Brave did right it's the character designs and visuals. Too bad that's pretty much the only thing.

>>78858704

pixar only does that to make their CGI age slower

>>78855652
Have you never had a good burger before?

>>78855567
>>kylo was a 20 something with rich parents, and no reason to be troubled, and had magic powers, thats not worthy of empathy when hes edgy for no reason, I was hoping that han solo was going to give him a spanking

That's the point, nimrod. He's not supposed to be threatening or feel legitimate once the mask comes off.

He's a spoiled bratty kid rebelling from his parents in the worst way. He misuses his powers, he throws tantrums, and foils his own plan because of an overreaching gambit he couldn't pull off on his own. He's not Darth Vader.

That's why his actual fall is so realistic. He doesn't take his fight seriously with finn, and because of that he loses to the girl he could've killed or just abandoned on the forest planet in favor of the droid. It ends up in him being horribly injured and destroyed emotionally. What kind of fucking villain gets that good of an incentive to destroy the protagonists in the next film?

Kylo is the best thing about TFA

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ive never found anyone who ever shared this opinion with me. michael cera doesnt get scott's character at all, hes just really awkward and not fun

ramona was a snorefest, they tried to tell us that shes like the hottest shit in the world but she does practically nothing besides fight roxie to show it. plus shes a monolith, i think i only saw emotion coming from her like 2 times in the entire film

the dialogue is done in such a fucking awkward way (not funny awkward though), it just really feels like the direction was super terrible because these actors are not particularly bad but this film makes it look like it. plus it feels totally fake, like when scott is talking to natalie on the phone, he is supposed to be nervous, but he still immediately responds to everything she says immediately as if he is literally reading the script in front of his fucking face. i hate when films do this, dont they know that people think before they talk???

the only things i enjoyed were like the action scenes and some of the jokes and wallace, but jesus christ everything else was bleh. i legitimately dont get all the positive reviews on this

>>78856151
This. I can't remember being more disappointed in a film. Trailer made it look fucking awesome too.

I thought the art direction was really neat. The universe they created, and the creatures they filled it with were really cool. It just lacked more backstory. It literally feels like someone just chopped off the first half of the movie, leaving us with some action sequences, and little character development.

Probably would have done better as a series of comics/novels.

>>78855467
characters are either too perfect, hypocritical to their own characters, or are played off as a joke.

The movie also had almost zero tension and Han walking to his death felt super forced

>>78856171
imagine how much better it would be if he just tried to avoid violence at all cost. Would make things infinitely more interesting and its not like his kills meant anything besides betraying his character

>>78855660
not him, but she IS a mary sue. First time out of the planet, but she can understand languages that she shouldn't, she can pilot on space and she can fight with a light saber on par with a guy that wiped an entire temple, and she can even use the mind trick from Nothing.

>>78855870

We started telling people that Iroh says "this coffee is great" and the ones that didn't see the movie ran with it as fact.

>>78859571
Nigga now I'm all the more excited for Kylo in the next movie.

>>78855835
She can sense relatives and spouses. She :always" knew Luke was her brother, according to her, but was just super into incest I guess. I mean, they ARE nobility.

>>78861296

She fights an injured Kylo Ren and spends the entire fight being defensive and runs from him.

And no one seems to bitch about Luke being able to pilot an X-Wing with zero training.

>>78861358
he is stated to know how to pilot before, and being very good at it. He also only pilots in space later on, if i remember well.

>>78856455
>main characters have to be relateable
This is so stupid, jesus christ.

>>78856197
In his backstory, he was noted to be both unusually skilled and unusually empathetic for a trooper by Phasma and his other superiors. He has an unusual tolerance for failrue in his subordinates/squadmates and went out of his way to help this one loser nicknamed Slips or something to pass training. Presumably, the Trooper who dies in the invasion and smears blood on his face before he PTSDs the hell out of there is Slips.

>>78856151
>>78861024
I saw the original short during an exhibition of UCLA animation student work, and it blew me away.

As fate would have it, my roommate at the time was dating the art director for the feature length version. I couldn't really give him shit because it sure looked great.

>>78861440

So just like Rey? She states she can pilot before the steal the Falcon and then ends up being very good at it. Just like Luke.

Why do people think Star Wars is filled with deep and meaningful characters when they are all simplistic as fuck for a reason? Rey is no different than any OT character.

>>78854600
Legend of Korra wins. Holy crap that pilot was promising.

>>78861603

9 felt like a collection of cutscenes strung together without gameplay. It was a great concept and beautiful movie but it was just too condensed

>>78856204
This entire movie felt so goddamn small, it felt like an extra long episode of a Disney princess tv show.

>>78861696
It makes one wonder if she could pilot a hyperspace-capable ship, she didn't just leave that shithole instead of being a poverty-stricken shipbreaker. It took Finn a grand total of 5 minutes in a totally-not-Mos-Eisley to get a new job on a ship.

>>78856526
>le Leo needs an Oscar meme

This meme needs to die, there are dozens of much better actors than him that don't have one.

>>78861787

She didn't want to leave she was clear about that. She wanted to wait for her family to return. She tells Finn, she tells Han, and she tells Maz. She could have left Jakku she just didn't want to.

>>78861784
Or plot.

It seems like the "good ending" would have been for all of the puppets to sacrifice themselves to the machine, so that the scientist's soul would take control of it, and, I dunno... make a new puppet world. Rather than the "Well, everything on the surface of the earth is probably dead, and the only two things that remain don't have any genitals" ending.

>>78861696
First, the problem here is how she proceeds to pilot in space. Second, why every argument about Force awakens has to be "it happened in the other movies, so it's okay"? the others weren't that good, but FA is even more illogical. That's why it's bad. As i said, piloting is not the only issue with Rey. She IS a mary sue, and it's not only piloting in space that makes her that.

>>78861833
couldn't she leave a note?

>>78861949
Or better yet, make an effort to fucking FIND THEM. It's apparently a very small galaxy.

>>78859584
>michael cera doesnt get scott's character at all
I think there is actually a lot of people who shared this opinion with you.

>>78854698

That's pretty much exactly the definition of an average movie, so uh, yeah

>>78855223
bullshit.

>>78855250
I actually thought it was a step up, the quality felt about the same.

>>78855381
you have shit taste

>>78856451
it was more mum mistaking for dead then turns out to be alive.

>>78861917

Because the other movies are the basis of how fucking characters are built in these movies. Rey isn't a Mary Sue because she doesn't really do anything anyone else couldn't in the frame of this universe and that's a big factor in what a Sue is. A special snowflake who excells at everything even when others can't. Rey is on equal footing with other Wars characters doing nothing out of the ordinary.

At best you could argue the mind trick but they established she knows about Jedi and the force and ones faith in the force drives their powers so it still works. And you get a scene prior to that where she essentially learns from Kylo Ren.

And yeah the originals aren't that great but people are so clouded by nostalgia its ridiculous.

>>78862804
> she doesn't really do anything anyone else couldn't in the frame of this universe and that's a big factor in what a Sue is.
not really. Mary sue is basically a special snowflake, it doesn't need to be unique. A lot of rare traits and in one person can make a mary sue as well.

>>78862804
>At best you could argue the mind trick but they established she knows about Jedi and the force
no, they didn't.

>you get a scene prior to that where she essentially learns from Kylo Ren.
invading her mind is different from the mind trick.