The Killing Joke is being animated and released this year.
I really hope they show us something soon, the last couple DC Direct films were pretty shit and I'm sick of this serialized style they keep using on the animated Bat films.
Bruce Timm helming it gives me hope, but I really wanna see a teaser or some character models soon. TKJ isn't even a long story either, how do you make something like it into a movie? It feels if they stuck with the source it would take like 30-40 minutes tops to finish.
>TKJ isn't even a long story either, how do you make something like it into a movie? It feels if they stuck with the source it would take like 30-40 minutes tops to finish
It's only 75 minutes.
In Bruce Timm we trust?
>Release is in July
Nooooooo. I want it early
>PR is keeping me under tight control
>we made a pretty faithful adaption of the story
IN TIMM, WE FUCKING TRUST
I hope the coloring of the film looks like the original comic and not the reprint, fuck that grey tone bullshit
>IN TIMM, WE FUCKING TRUST
Does he have the stones tho?
>Have to keep quiet about the cast
>Kevin Conroy Batman, Mark Hamill Joker, maybe Tara Strong Barbara
Too bad Jim Hastings is dead. Wonder who'll do Gordon.
Also I really hope they don't shove in Harley in the NEW STORY shit, and that if she is there she isn't voiced by fucking Tara Strong. Her Harley is fucking awful.
Anon, it is the CURRENT YEAR.
There is tons of pressure on DC to drop anything bad happening to Barbara:
There is a definite non-zero change they'll cave and not include Babara getting shot. If they DO include it, it 's definitely due to Bruce Timm having some stones. After all, think of the pic related.
That new audience DC keeps trying to attract.
The "You" in DCYou. The people who made Stewart's Batgirl and Harley Quinn some of DC's best selling titles.
They care. And goddamn, are they loud, and goddamn, does DC listen to them.
>Why aren't we inflicting violence on these people?
Because Superman taught us better than to use violence to force our ideas onto other people. Why the fuck do you even read cape comics, anon?
>They care. And goddamn, are they loud, and goddamn, does DC listen to them.
Yeah the company that hired David "You ever get your SHIT PUSHED IN?" Ayer to direct their Suicide Squad movie really fucking cares what people are complaining about.
>Literally trying to erase the Killing Joke from DC canon because they're upset a bad thing happened to a character they like
I mean, I get it. Babs was pretty much fridged in that book, but who cares? Are these people also upset that Jason Todd was just used as another example of why the Joker is nuts and as a way to make Bruce ultra angsty? Sometimes characters you like are going to be used as narrative devices to tell a better story about the main characters, you just gotta deal with it.
This shit happening to Babs doesn't diminish all the other cool stuff she's done, it's not like she acted out of character or like a dumbass in that book, the situation was out of her hands. It kills me how they act like it absolutely NEEDS to be changed and that just them not watching it isn't an option.
If they really wanted to appeal to them, Killing Joke would not get an adaptation. Timm already described the new story bit as a prologue, while also talking about how it's very accurate to the source material. I expect Barbara will have a bit in it as Batgirl for all the normies who wouldn't know her as anything but Gordon's daughter watching a straight adaptation.
Will it use the shitty new colors or try to approximate the moody colors of the original release?
It's not suppression of art, it's people whining on the internet. It's no different from 4chan shitposting, but they just get paid for it.
I feel like we need to keep some perspective here.
It's not art, it's violence. It is literally violence.
Depicting Barbara being violated in that context adds to the overall culture of sexual violence in society, perpetuating it into the real world.
It's not about free speech, it's about protecting the most vulnerable parts of society.
Well, this attempted suppression of art just because they don't like the content is pretty fucking retarded, and DC is more likely now than ever before to bend to the whims of these retards.
Here's your reply
Christ, this is going to be shit, isn't it?
DC's Direct Films have been mediocre to bad for a while now. I have no faith in this.
I wish they'd do something that weren't Batman for once.
I hope they actually read the scripts.
>Bruce Timm stands up for the source material and keeps Barbara being shot in the movie
>There will still be an immense amount of pressure against the scene, enough to make the executives sweat profusely and force Timm to make changes
>The source material is short, so they have to make extensions to scenes or even add stuff in
>Barbara opens the door, the Joker smiles at her with his goons.
>Barb drops her coffee immediately and socks Joker in the jaw, the goons move in. Barb uses her bat-fu to beat up a couple of them. Gordan gets pinned, distracting Barb, where the goons she was fighting then restrain and subdue her.
>Joker walks in, gives some sort of monologue. Barbara shows defiance saying that he'd never break her. Gordan crying in the background. Joker leans in smiling, and then scene pans to the side or fades out, with the sound of a bang.
>Later on they show Barbara doing physical therapy, or some kind of bullshit Justice League sick bay cyber med restoration process so she'll be back on her feet.
No matter how much Bruce may fight to include Barb in the movie, he will be forced one way or another to make concessions.
I want to join Alan Moore in his magic cottage to hide away and hate the world.
My reply to someone who would really say something like that is that "you're not an authority on what art is and isn't. Because you had such an intense response to it, that means it did it's fucking job. To arouse such intense negative feelings."
One thing I wouldn't mind being omitted is Batman's picture of the shitty early 60s Bat-family
Christ, I'm partially to blame for that, aren't I? I haven't been buying most of them, really.
Also haven't they not done anything with Superman since the Brainiac adaptation?
Because that's art, man. Art is meant to evoke an variety of feelings, even negative ones. And that's okay. If you react negatively, and your first thought is to try and eliminate the art, then you are an emotional immature person.
All art should be preserved and protected.
There, I fixed it so that Barbara doesn't look stupid and get her ass handed to her for no reason.
Can we move on now?
But what's the point of a piece of art that ONLY evokes negative feelings? There's no other purpose to this work.
Worthwhile art should ultimately be edifying. Making you uncomfortable to teach you something is one thing, but this is just doing it with no purpose and certainly no catharsis at the end. The work is ultimately pointless, and therefore, not worthwhile.
Now something being not worthwhile is one thing, bad art is everywhere, but this particular piece of bad, not worthwhile art is ALSO actively hurting people, so there's no reason to keep it around, and, indeed there's a moral imperative NOT to keep it around.
>I don't get the image.
He removed the peephole from the door, which Barbara stupidly did not use to check if the person knocking on the door is a neighbour or some crack addict nigger or a super villain (the place being Gotham and all).
This does have a point though? That's what makes it art. It conveys a message. You don't have to like it though. That's okay. It's okay to have a different opinion.
The ending is the cathartic part. Batman kills the Joker. It's the final Batman story. That's the point. But it's the same sort of round about point. That these stories will always go on, and that the Batman and the Joker will never die.
Plenty of art depicts violence. That's the brutality of man. Even dadaism and surrealism depict the violence of man. It exists in art because it's a reflection of what happens in society. You can't suppress art because it makes you uncomfortable.
>Showing a bad guy doing bad things in a cartoon will make people rapists
>Batman kills the Joker
Grant Morrison please go
>Plenty of art depicts violence. That's the brutality of man
And as long as it's against other men, it's fine. Men are capable of defending themselves in kind. It becomes problematic when women are shown the be the victims, because when THAT is acted out on the real world, it has more serious consequences since women aren't as equipped to handle that sort of brutality from men.
Utterly pathetic if true.
>Eventually I figured out how to take selfies. The trick is to use a mirror, since the back camera on the phone is WAY better than the front one. It's more gigabytes, or whatever.
People think Batman resting his hand on Joker's shoulder is him about to choke the Joker. Alan Moore spells it out in the script, and Brian Bolland's art is clear enough, his arm is well below the Joker's neck. The "abrupt ending" to the laughter applies to both Batman and Joker and is just their laughter being drowned out by the police sirens so the last panels can focus on the visual of the headlight/"flashlight" with Batman and Joker on either side.
Dude, DC doesn't give a shit about people whining. They know that no matter what they do, the media will find a way to shit all over them, so they just whatever the fuck they want.
>Harley Quinn contest with people whining about Harley's ironic suicides got the panel changed
>Batgirl acknowledging a cross-dresser being a cross-dresser removed in reprints
>Batgirl variant with Joker never released
I'm not so confident myself
Can we talk, once again, about the travesty of the recolor? Look at this bland shit.
They explain earlier she expected someone else.
So she's both relaxed, distracted, and assuming it's someone, that seems more than reasonable why someone wouldn't use the peephole.
Omitting any of it would at the very least lessen the impact of it. It's not as creepy if he just takes pictures of Babs still dressed since the entire point is to show her wounds and crippled form.
Well they apparently have permission from WB to make the film R-rated if necessary.
Well I think it's more likely now, now that his series on CW is doing pretty good.
Plus, with straight animation you can do a lot more. Give a pretty epic show down between him and Reverse Flash and animate stuff you can't film in real life.
Yeah it was. I've beaten the game twice. About 3 hours into the game, there's a whole 5 minute segment of Joker shooting Barbara flashback. The nude scene isn't in the game though.
>People in the comments section talking about how Joker totally raped her too
Always thought this was a stupid notion. It seems pretty out of character for the Joker (outside of the seedy, depraved "Joker" graphic novel Joker) to be a rapist, and it's never implied at any point in Killing Joke. I think Alan Moore said something to the effect of "he didn't rape her, but if he did it would've been in the bullet hole."
How about this. The icier, calmer, more dark and grounded color is about how Batman sees the world. Dark, bleak, depressing but more grounded in reality. The surreal, almost overly colorful is how the Joker views it, almost like an acid trip that he isn't fully aware of.
>So no one's going to comment on the fact that her bush is covered in blood? Not only did Joker rape her, he f***ing tore her apart. That's the key difference folks, not "just boobies". It's amazing that so few here fail to find that disturbing. Ask yourself the goddamn question - why is all the blood concentrated in the pubic region? If the answer doesn't disturb you, you're either sick or incredibly naive. DC made the right call in changing it; it's fair to say that some form of sexual assault was always implied, but this takes it into the realm of sexual mutilation, which many readers would prefer not to see.
What amazes me is that thoughts like this are commonly accepted as fact when all evidence suggests the exact opposite holds true. Places with more pornography have less rape. Since violent videogames hit the scene the violent crime rate in all developed countries has dropped like a fat man after his last mcnugget. Violence is inherent in human nature. Offering ways to indulge in that without harming others allows people to satiate their baser urges constructively rather than destructively.