How could someone who made the Powerpuff Girls and is married

Inspiration from his fandom?

>She's cute
>She's powerful
>Everyone likes her
>Main character is in love with her
>Looks like a cross between the two main characters
>Never loses

It's actually so on the nose I figure it has to be some kind of parody they're doing.

>>78833145
No. I think what we're seeing here is that Craig and Lauren have always been hack writers who can only create characters based on a single character trait (The kickass girl! The smart girl! The quirky energetic girl! The strict girl!) and it's only until now is it VERY apparent they've been outdone by more modern creators like Hirsch, Ward, Sugar, and Roiland and should probably retire from animation.

Didn't they hire the creator of Lumberjills to write on the second season?

>>78834599
Yeah, but she's only done the cat episode so far.

>>78833145
Not really a Mary Sue so much as the antithesis of Hater.
She's not even featuring in that many episodes and she is certainly not supposed to be a good guy.
Mary Sues are self-inserts and technically confined to fanfics, which she certainly is not. We don't really follow her around and she is not actually shown to be great at anything but villainy.
Which is only relative, really. She just so happens to be the only actually competent villain.
Which makes her mostly a mirror for Hater as the main antagonist. She is what Hater could easily be, if he was a bit more clever and a great deal more focused.

If she was the protagonist in a serious show, yes. Then she would probably be much of a Sue.
But she is an occasional villain in a screwball show that runs on wack. Her being overpowered just by being competent enough to be a real villain in most contexts is the joke and a plot point.
Does she have much depth? Nah. But neither does anyone else; they are all toons.

>>78834599
They also cast Weird Al as a villain. Which made for the strangest episode so far, I think.

>>78833958
>Hirsch
Well, about Hirsch. That guy is anamored with Faust, so he probably will mimic what you typed regarding the females, whatever he has plan after GF.

Likely will have a redhair as a main character too, if he hasn't gotten over his crush for Faust.

>>78834745
>if he hasn't gotten over his crush for Faust.
Wendy is based on Faust? Holy shit, Hirsch doesn't give a fuck.

>>78834807
>Wendy is based on Faust?
Yes.

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>>78833041
>Saying Mary Sue and legitimately meaning it

Apart from the part where she's a villain who causes destruction and suffering purely for shits and giggles? Yes.

>>78834657
>If she was the protagonist in a serious show, yes. Then she would probably be much of a Sue.
>But she is an occasional villain in a screwball show that runs on wack. Her being overpowered just by being competent enough to be a real villain in most contexts is the joke and a plot point.
>Does she have much depth? Nah. But neither does anyone else; they are all toons.
This.

If Powerpuff Girls aired now, HIM would be considered a "Tumblr-pandering Mary Sue villain", I guarantee it.

>>78834657
>If she was the protagonist in a serious show, yes. Then she would probably be much of a Sue.

That's not what a Mary Sue is though. It's not "new protagonist that shows up", it's supposed to be a character inserted into the character dynamic of the show that happens to be better at everything, and Dominator is that. The only way it could be more obvious is if they have an episode showing how much better she is at making friends than Wander.

>>78835579
No. A true Mary Sue is the author insert in a fan fiction that is also better at everything, beloved by all and incapable of being wrong.

Upsetting a character dynamic that previously consisted of only four recurring characters is also a joke.
And if she was any good at making friends, she would not be completely alone on that giant star destroyer with her robot legion.
She is arguably worse at having friends than Hater who is already a pretty sad individual.

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>Wew lad

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>>78833958
That's pretty bullshit, since Sylvia has the most character development of anyone on the show. Also:
>Hirsch
You mean the hack that made the entire show bend over to Mabel and purposefully made Wendy bland as a plank of wood? Almost all of his females have no depth, save for Pacifica.

>Sugar
I'm not even going to bother with this bait.

>>78833041
>Mary Sue now means someone I want my dick in.
Makes sense.

>>78833041
Dominator is a massive trolling of the fans, why do people not get this?
She was created for the express purpose of making waifuists and tumblrinas both go apeshit for Craig's own amusement.

>>78837458
https://a.pomf.cat/acagbo.webm

>>78835438
Villains can be Sues.

>>78834657
>Does she have much depth? Nah. But neither does anyone else; they are all toons.
Trouble is that she brings nothing to the story. She's neither interesting nor entertaining.

And while the main cast are simple, she's even flatter. Wander, Hater, Sylvia and Peepers all go through different emotions and face conflict.

Dominator does nothing but defeat everyone else and giggle.

>>78839153
Citation needed.

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>>78839424


So she's Grey Spy.

>>78834657
>>78839424

She also doesn't have any character flaws that would make her relatable.

>>78839448
>Citation, there is none. Anon is pulling speculation out of his ass.

>>78837150
>Almost all of his females have no depth, save for Pacifica.
Take off your waifugoggles, faggot.

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>>78833073

Ick. Is the half-shaved head coming back in style?

>>78834657
>all this reaching

Villains can be Sues, there's even a subcategory for it called "Villain Sue". She's a new character who came from out of nowhere, is somehow better at everything than the established characters, and profoundly influences the behavior of the main characters because "omg she's a hawt grillllllll". She's more of a Sue than Rey.

>>78839519
Pretty much.

>>78835438
Frank Angones pls go

>>78833073
>that haircut
It's like they're purposefully trying to get us mad.

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>>78840537
Looks more like a squished mohawk.

>>78840545
Also, her character design is pretty, humanoid, and conventional in a show where all the other characters look like blobby shapes.

>>78837458
Yuck. "Guy having a clueless crush for an unattainable girl" is way too trite a premise. I'm especially turned off at Lord Hater being used for this premise because he was such a jerk in "The Date".

And I find this plotthread creepy because Lord Dominator acts like a very young teenager; maybe even a tweener. I keep thinking that Lord Hater is a statuatory rapist.

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>>78840158
>starts off as a walking stereotype
>ends up as a flawed character willing to overcome that and grow

Name ONE other Gravity Falls girl that's had any sort of character development like that, let alone at all.

>>78841161
Ham-fisted character development doesn't give a shitty character a free pass. Compare her to Draco Malfoy since they're practically the same fucking character. We started to understand Draco's plight a couple of books in, he didn't just suddenly have a "Oh that's why he's a jerk" moment in the last fucking chapter of the last book.

That's what Pacifica is. Someone probably said exactly what you said, that GF girls are weak characters, and they decided to fix that by having a sudden 180 with Pacifica despite none of her previous screen time even REMOTELY giving off the hint that she was a bitch by upbringing. She's practically a completely different character now from season 1 despite having way less appearances, and not different in the "That's development you nerd" different. Different as in that's literally not even the same character, it's an alien in Pacifica skin.

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>>78840666
He was a jerk in The Date because he was literally trying to seduce a horse in makeup. He thought she wasn't in his league at all, wheras Dominator is miles out of his league.

>I keep thinking that Lord Hater is a statuatory rapist

What the fuck.

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don't care what people say, i like her and i like what's happened with the show

>>78841161
robby v.
starts off as an overdramatic douche emo wannabe with a wendy complex
becomes a regular douche thats a bit more well adjusted.
mcgucket starts off as an insane old dodger and becomes a sad warning story about the avarice of men and regains a small amount of his sanity

>>78841553
>Gravity Falls girl

>>78840545
>She's more of a Sue than Rey.
Obviously. Rey is really subdued for a Star Wars MC. Remember the 10yo who won a death race and became the greatest villain in the franchise to the point of appearing like an unstoppable force?
Rey didn't even really factor into destroying the not-a-Deathstar where Luke got to blow one up all by himself because he was that awesome.

>She's a new character who came from out of nowhere, is somehow better at everything than the established characters, and profoundly influences the behavior of the main characters because "omg she's a hawt grillllllll".
Of course she is. That is the whole point. She is an intruder upsetting the status quo and setting up Hater's need to catch up and/or impress her.
Her entire fucking purpose is raising the bar so far.
And if she remains flat, that is because none of the episodes are actually about her person but the mere fact that she is there and so much fucking better than Hater. You might as well complain that any number of the other characters that go unexplored are flat.
Not to mention that this show's concept of continuity and respect for its characters is shaky at best.
If you shove in a hackneyed tear jerk episode for the fucking Cube of Darkness who suddenly has some need to act like a human for no reason at all, then turn around and bomb the audience with stupid Batman references while Weird Al butchers all the puns, you have demonstrated -as far as I am concerned- just how much of a hoot you give about anything but being the wackiest show in town.

>>78841161
No great feat of writing there. GF really doesn't have actually well-written and developed female characters.

>>78841553
Yeah. The male characters are all getting far better arcs, or arcs at all, because they are allowed to make mistakes and be hurt.

>>78840666
1. Dominator is like twice as tall
2. Hater behaves like a child, so if anyone is a statutory rapist, it's probably not him

>>78840644
Helmohawk.

>>78841394
Good for you, but it's objectively a bland character.
The only thing making her a bit original was her dual "wander/villain" personality, but that died pretty fast in favour of top ten villain.

I don't know and I don't care. All I know is that she gives me a boner.

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>>78841942
you're using objectively wrong

she's clearly a power-hungry goofball. her very first appearance showed that. even in the episode where wander realized she's a girl, he caught her dancing and being silly

she's not bland, but the show needs to show more of her

>>78842004
Ayup. She could go anywhere, really.
By the standards of the show she could be the most nuanced character within a single episode because, let's be honest here, they are all terribly one-dimensional.
Which is actually okay for what they do.
The Roadrunner was never explored as a person, either.

>>78842004
It's objective because all her other traits except the one i've described (goofball who turns shit real when she goes villain) are widely considered unoriginal or done dozens of times.

The show needs to show more of her character, not to just showhorn her as the 5th recurring character. And no, giving more "she's cool and hot! But also a crazy goof, but she can turn veeeery scaaaaary and eviiiil!" doesn't make her interesting.

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>>78841301
>Ham-fisted character development doesn't give a shitty character a free pass
You're kidding, right? If anything, it was one of the more subtle things to come from the show, which was pretty ham-fisted in general.
>Compare her to Draco Malfoy since they're practically the same fucking character. We started to understand Draco's plight a couple of books in, he didn't just suddenly have a "Oh that's why he's a jerk" moment in the last fucking chapter of the last book.
The comparison doesn't add up. Draco was a coward that had a personality that was constant throughout the series. He never went against his parents to do the right thing, we were never supposed to feel sorry for him, he didn't even show promise of changing in the end, he essentially became what his parents were during the epilogue.
>despite none of her previous screen time even REMOTELY giving off the hint that she was a bitch by upbringing
the pioneer episode did hint this though, with her parents being even bigger snobs than she is and the entire episode focusing on the discovery that the entire Northwest family line are frauds and liars.
>Different as in that's literally not even the same character, it's an alien in Pacifica skin
What about her was even that different? She stopped hating the pines, that's it. We didn't even see much of her after that episode, but she was still the same during that.

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>>78842188
you clearly dont like her, which is fine

but that's your opinion, i don't think she's bland at all. i'm holding for the episode that fleshes her out- which i'm sure is coming seeing as she's become a hot topic and craig has to have seen all of the arguing amongst fans

>>78841690
>Rey is really subdued for a Star Wars MC
Not really, the movie went out of its way to make her superior to everyone else in the movie. She was fine for the first half, but once she entered the chamber with Luke's original lightsaber, she took a giant nosedive and felt like she came straight out of a fanfiction. Anakin was just as bullshit during his trilogy, but no one liked that either. There's a reason the prequels were hated, and it's not because of Jar-Jar Binks.

>No great feat of writing there. GF really doesn't have actually well-written and developed female characters
That was my entire point.

>>78840537
Where have you been anon? This shit has been up and running for two or three years now.

Is it wrong that I want to see Lord Dominator dominate Lord Hater?

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>>78842585
she's called dominator for a reason

i laugh every time i think of that guy who accused craig of copying his judge dredd character "dominator" in a desperate attempt to be relevant again

I like her solely on the basis that she hasn't been confirmed as a dyke.

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>>78842962
what about bi? that would make her god-tier

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>>78834657
So you're saying she's not a Mary Sue...

She's the Poochie.

>>78841690
>Remember the 10yo who won a death race and became the greatest villain in the franchise to the point of appearing like an unstoppable force?

You mean in those prequels that everyone has hated for years and derided for being shit?

You could compare Rey to Johnny in the Room but that doesn't make the problems of her role in her own movie any less real.

>Rey didn't even really factor into destroying the not-a-Deathstar where Luke got to blow one up all by himself because he was that awesome.

That was the only thing Luke accomplished that whole movie. He spent most of it getting his ass kicked (Tusken raiders, the cantina, etc.) and getting saved.

Rey meanwhile is immediately mind controlling people left and right and so completely wipes the floor with Kylo Ren that it undermines any threat he's supposed to pose. I could take one or two of those things if she at least lost at any point in the story, but she's flawlessly kicking ass from frame one.

>>78840611
>getting mad over a haircut

>>78842483
>going outside
>interacting with people
pfft, normie detected

>>78841690
The primary difference between Rey and Anakin/Luke isn't their victories, but their faults. Rey never fails at anything, never needs help, and has no moral failings.

>>78837150
>Sugar doesn't have complex characters
You don't have to like Steven Universe, but you also don't have to lie up your ass.

>>78843035
No. She is hot Vader who just showed up on the playground.

>>78843283
No. Have we watched the same movie?
Kylo Ren undermined himself when he took off that mask and was a milkbearded, halftrained Vader fanboy.
He is a petulent child as demonstrated by his tantrums, which are apparently well-known to the Storm Troopers because they avoid the general area he is in.
And with Rey picking up mind reading from him:
Watch that scene again and follow exactly what they do. Rey learns in that moment how to push into a mind, since her captor has all the finesse of a thermal detonator.
He had problems probing a complete blunt earlier, so anyone with force sensitivity should be able to start resisting somehow after a bit.
And what Rey does is just read the most dominant trait of his personality. Being an insecure fanboy. And she is not shutting him out or overpowering him there. She just upsets this little ponce who capers off and beats up furniture.
This is followed by Rey having trouble to pursuade a Storm Trooper. A conditioned mind open to any and all authority.

>>78843713
She gets her ass abducted and fails at least twice at running away from the plot. Her shooting is also kinda shite. She needed a few shot to hit a Storm Trooper some ten yards away. In contrast, Luke is a shooting ace because like any true redneck he shoots critters from a speeder.
She really just looks good because Kylo Ren is so fucking incompetent.

>>78834657
>Mary Sues are self-inserts and confined to fanfics

Yeah if you want to use the term correctly.

These days it just means "character that does stuff male characters do, except she has a vagina."

>>78844585
>
These days it just means "character that does stuff male characters do, except she has a vagina."

No. If women characters were just like male characters but with a vagina, we'd have a lot more good female characters instead of shitty no-fun ones.

>>78841394
>don't care what people say, i like her and i like what's happened with MUH DICK
ftfy

>>78833041
She wouldn't even be half as bad if the ways the characters interacted with her was interesting, which they were at first, but the "LADY" reveal(s) in Battle Royale threw all of that away. Up until that point, she was a character that allowed us to see the completely opposite sides of Wander and Hater. Wander couldn't befriend her (or even get a reaction out of her) and Hater was allowed to go competent-rage-mode and put up a real fight against her.

If we got to continue those dynamics, she could have been as bland and uninteresting as she wanted to, because she would have been helping flesh out the main characters. Instead we got Wander trying to play matchmaker and Hater stroking his literal boner while drooling like a retard.

>>78841394
Of course you like her, she was created for retarded waifushits like yourself who will jerk it to anything vaguely female.

>hurrr she's got boobies and an ass 10/10 character of the year

>>78834807
>>78834745
>>78834834
>every redhaired character is based off the same person

>>78842343
>le quirky goofy grill

Stale female character trope. Fucking awful.

>>78844623
This.

When female characters aren't written as perfect, they're almost always written as flat (See: Wendy, Connie, Margaret). Male characters are allowed to be flawed and more complicated, because writers don't worry about offending anyone.

Male Sues are as unpopular as female ones.

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>>78841394
Im with you, but ones gotta admit she is pretty bland so far, the only hope is that she gets developed further in a propper way

>>78841690
>Rey is really subdued for a Star Wars MC

Anakin is one thing, but Luke got utterly rekt repeatedly all throughout ANH and ESB, and needed to be rescued several times. He also started off whiny and reluctant. His one skill, piloting and targeting, was properly explained as well.

>>78847056
>properly explained as well

It was never explained anymore than Rey's talent with repairs, it was just "Oh he's a really good pilot."

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>>78846990
>Gary Stus are as unpopular as Mary Sues

>>78847121
It fit his backstory and motives perfectly, though, given being an Imperial Pilot was his life's goal.

It makes sense for Rey to be a good fighter and mechanic, but not a master of everything.

>>78847121
>You may be the hottest bush pilot this side of Mos Eisley, Luke, but those little skyhoppers can be dangerous.

He flew T-16's and practiced shooting rats or some shit all his life. Maybe you should actually watch the damn movies.

>>78847175
That just supports it. Look at all the Batgod hate on /co/.

>>78847175
The general public doesn't like Supes for a reason, m8.

>>78847233
Anon, the public loves Superman. It's the shitty movies they don't like.

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>>78843953
Don't get me wrong, I like that Kylo Ren is this weak, insecure guy that's desperately trying to live up to Vader. Driver does a really good job at conveying that, especially with the tantrums, and seeing him struggle both emotionally and physically was a really good angle to take.

The scene with Rey and Ren worked up to a point. Her discovering that she's force sensitive and turning the tables on Ren is a good moment. If it just stopped at that, or if she tried the force mind trick (How did she know that she could do that by the way?) and it didn't work at all it would be a good humanizing moment. But the jedi mind trick is something Luke couldn't muster until Return and here she picks it up immediately, which is even worse because it makes Finn and Han's rescue mission seem a bit redundant.

Leia wasn't any less of a strong, compelling, or fun character because she couldn't bust herself out of her cell. A little vulnerability goes a long way.

After that, though, Ren gets defeated by Rey almost effortlessly. Yes, the movie goes through all the motions of injuring him before the fight, but Finn, a former Stormtrooper with no training or experience at anything, still gets a hit on him in their lightsaber duel. Then Rey gets the lightsaber and after a little force meditation just wails on Ren like it's fucking nothing. It really gives her or Ren little place to go because she's already kicking everyone's ass and Ren has been so humiliated that any threat or menace he might still have is kind of undermined.

Finn starts a coward and learns courage and heroism, but where can Rey go? She's kicking goons asses at the beginning of the movie, kicking the ass of a jedi trained by Luke Skywalker at the end, and already has a grasp on powerful force abilities. What training does she really need?

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>>78847121
>Mary Sue defenders are willing to ignore the fact that Luke actually went to school to be a pilot and wanted to go to the acamedy
>People also forget that Luke regularly flew and of course practiced shooting womprats,etc.

>>78847175
Batman's most popular stuff is the media where he ISN'T a sue. The Nolan movies, DCAU, etc.

He maybe gets more prominence out of popularity, but he gets portrayed as actually flawed, troubled, etc.

>>78847299
>Anon, the public loves Superman

No they don't. Everyone thinks he's boring.

>>78847299
The public loves Superman t shirts.

>>78847309
>but where can Rey go?

The dark side

>>78833041
An antagonist can't be a Mary Sues.

>>78847383
And think of how many bad opinions they had of other heroes till there was a successful movie. Hell, Captain America was the laughing stock of plebs and now he's pretty damn well liked.

>>78847329
>he went to school to be a pilot

Yeah, and Rey went to the University of Zibzor where they trained her how to fly and repair Millenium Falcons.

Let's leave the made up bullshit out of this, shall we?

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>>78847329
TFA fans will go through all kinds of mental gymnastics to make that piece of shit look well written.

>>78847503
>Let's leave the made up bullshit out of this, shall we?

See:
>>78847198

Grasping those straws like a champ, you are.

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What I didn't get was the "Rey sees Han Solo" as a father figure bullshit.

They know each other for literally an hour and everyone is talking about how Rey thinks of Han like a father and Han really cares about her. If they had more time together I could get it but they just met.

>>78847630
Han cares about her because Marey Sue

>>78847630
What really bothered me was how quickly Chewie seemed to get over Han dying,
"Oh damn my best friend got shanked by his faggot son, I'll just shoot that guy a few times then go with these people I've known for a few days for the rest of their adventures."

>>78847482
Not true at all.

>>78847630
The force i guess or i dunno know han is desperately looking to be a father again whatever

>>78847630
They were clearly trying to fit 2 or 3 movies worth of development into 2 hours.

>>78847473
She has to if they want to have thing called plot. Also it would work with the whole touch Anakin's light saber a seeing only dark premonitions.

>>78847901
That's not how the force works!

>>78848069
>laugh track

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>>78833041
maybe she has an actual weakness/some character that Craig will masterfully reveal in the next status quo change that blows the current series of episodes out of the water.

>>78848714
I could honestly see an episode where her weakness is her extreme "daddy issues"

>>78847473
Honestly, if she ends up killing Ren and going to the dark side while Finn takes over as the protagonist that has to defeat her that would be amazing. I'd pretty much forgive her Mary Sue qualities at that point.

>>78834841
I prefer the term "author's power fantasy"

>>78833958

Craig is the only cartoon creator I think would have been just fine in the era of Chuck Jones and Tex Avery. His best stuff is short, non plot based, and based on playing around. When he tries to create characters, he's fucked.

>>78847309

Ren isn't fully trained and has a huge goddamn gash in his side during his fight with Rey in addition to his wound from Finn. He's already almost about to pass out when he's fighting Finn.

The likely answer is that Rey was probably in the initial training camp with Rey and Luke and she was the sole survivor. She's relearning what she was already taught and had figured out watching Ren.

If Rey actually fought Ren if he was uninjured or if she hadn't had the time to figure out how to use a little of the force, she would have been killed pretty quickly.

>>78853967

Rey was also getting her behind absolutely wrecked until she went "oh, right. The Force. Force, man, help me out, I'm getting rekt in here".

And well. The Force has led a farmboy that had never piloted anything more than a commercial jumper or even fucking seen space into outflying the Empire's aces and destroying the Death Star, and led a literal prepubescent child into singlehandedly assaulting a heavily armed station and killing a bunch of enemies while not even knowing the controls. The will of the Force is some bullshit, this has been established.

>>78854139

Exactly. It is the tradition of Star Wars for the force to bail out the protagonist.

>>78853967
>The likely answer is that Rey was probably in the initial training camp with Rey and Luke and she was the sole survivor.
That is the worst and most baseless theory ever. And watch this retarded shit be true,

>>78854200

The only part I thought didn't work was Rey's mind trick. Not because she could do it, but because how the hell did it even occur to her? She'd never seen anyone do it, and never had any contact with other Force users.

If she'd remotely manipulated a lever or something, fine. If she'd gotten the key code to her cell from a stormtrooper, also fine. She'd seen Kylo do both Force telekinesis and been very involved in his attempt to extract information through the Force, so I could definitely have bought her going "hmmm, wonder if I can do that...". But where did the idea of the Mind Trick even come to her? It's not like she had an Obi Wan to see say these are not the droids they're looking for.

Are gayshippers really this butthurt over her?

>>78854572
Yes. Yes they are.

>>78854572
pretty much yeah

>>78854225

What are you talking about? That makes the most sense. She has the flashback of the people she thinks are her family leaving her behind on Jakku. Kylo Ren recognizes her and wants to train her. What on earth SHOULD her past be? Hux is actually her brother and he hid her because she was going to inherit the First Order instead of him?

>>78854572
>>78854620
>>78854702
>anyone who dislikes Dominator must be a shipper

Domfags pls

>>78847363
>DCAU
>Not a mary sue
Couldn't have picked a worse example, DCAU is extremely batwank

Zone-tan porn parody when?

>>78854355
>The only part I thought didn't work was Rey's mind trick. Not because she could do it, but because how the hell did it even occur to her? She'd never seen anyone do it, and never had any contact with other Force users

This. What makes it really awful is that all they had to do was shoehorn it earlier so that Rey and the audience knows what the hell that even is. As it stands, to anybody that's new to the franchise it looks like a complete Deus ex Machina, while to fans it looks like lazy writing.

>>78847630
The movie quite obviously spans a longer amount of time with all the jumps, talking, planning, fighting etc.
And Rey is pretty damn starved for any kind of mentor.
So she starts to see Han as a potential father figure when Ben kebabs his daddy.
Yeah, it's not fully formed, but going through all of the development needed to cement the notion as status quo would have just made the movie boring and Han's death a waste because unlike Obi-Wan, he wasn't waiting on the sidelines to teach Rey Jedi shit to drive the development of the protagonist.
There was no big integral role he had to contribute before he died, so moving home much closer would look forced.

>>78854355

The legends of the jedi were already well-known to the protagonists. It's pretty easy to come to the conclusion she'd heard of that power, specifically, and decided to give it a shot having no other alternative.

I'll agree it could have been handled better, but plot-wise I don't think it's a hole.

>>78853967
Not necessarily.
She is a capable fighter with a staff and has been clearly in a few brawls to get there.
So she is not all that I'll-equipped when picking up that sword.
Compared to the level of Luke and Vader fighting, their little bout is nothing, though. An injured, half-trained ponce and an angry scavenger, not a Padawan and a mighty Sith lord.

Also one important point about Star Wars:
Star Wars is fucking dumb as a franchise. A big old dumb funny magical space romp fueled by narrative convenience to the point of ridiculousness.
Without the legitimacy of establishment, the old movies would get ripped apart today. Reducing a galactic conflict retroactively to a family drama between people who don't even know each other just won't fly.

>>78857232
I bet we could get rid of most the criticism of Rey with pointers to her thought process.
As it stands the director basically assumes an unrealistically perceptive audience that is completely on board with his reasoning.
I myself was able to follow his rationale throughout the movie, but I often get told that I jump ahead in my thinking and lose my audience.

And I believe that Rey gets scrutinised much more than a male protagonist would.
Let me show you. Our pilot ace just tells you that he somehow escaped the same captivity Rey was in. Have you questioned that for a second?

>>78857232
Within the context of the movie it is, because it was never used before to show the audience what it is. It looks like an extreme cop-out because of this.

>>78843012
No, bi is a codeword for gay/lesbian.

>>78857472
>Our pilot ace just tells you that he somehow escaped the same captivity Rey was in. Have you questioned that for a second

I'd certainly be asking questions of how he escaped, especially if he was locked up.

>>78833073
>tumblrina style haircut

And out the door it goes!!