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So what are good examples of fight choreography in cartoons?
What are some bad examples? (like pic related)
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>>78832418
>desu
Holy fuck, I must have gone back in time to 2005!
I must warn them all about Obama!
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>>78832394
How the fuck do you butcher such a basic fight scene as the Utena fights? Those smears are terrible.
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>>78832513
it's a word filter, to be honest, family, shaking my own head.
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>>78832647
Most of the boarders on this show are amateurs
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Guaranteed replies
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I'm interested in the thread topic, but if we're just going to shitpost then let me go get my tuxedo.
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>>78832394
Is this shit supposed to be taken seriously or is it a parody/joke?
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>>78834004
The former.
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>>78832394
Genndy Tartovosky's stuff like Samurai Jack and Clone Wars 2003 had some really well done fights
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What makes a good fight scene? Is the stuff from RWBY a good example?
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>>78834123
No. That's a waifu show, that's all it is.
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>>78834123
Super Mario Bros Z
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>>78834023
That's sad.
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Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmkxsQnNujI
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>>78834123
Nope. The fighting isn't top notch, it's pale like a albino. Whatever program RT is using, they're not executing it to it potentional.
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Anyone got a Webm of Mike's first or 2nd encounter with Red?
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>>78832647
>I like anime

Opinion automatically invalidated.
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>>78832394
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>>78834443
They're using fucking MMD, this is in fact the peak of its potential. It's just shit and not meant for serious animation.
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why is /co/ literally tumblr 2.0
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>>78834791
>I don't like comics or cartoons if they were made in one particular country

Opinion automatically discarded
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>>78834646
oh man seconded
>>78832394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ-RLnVP_Y0

TRON: Uprising had really good fights. my personal favourites were from Price of Power
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>>78832513
Why senpai
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Wakfu has ioptier
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>>78834817
Fuck off /sug/
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>>78832418
RIP desu spam.

I also miss /b/ucket a lot

>>78832513
>warning us about obama and not bronies

Priorities, man
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>>78835310
It's not that I dislike cartoons made in North Korea inherently, anon, it's because that style is by it's very nature cheap and unimaginative.

But don't worry, anon, you'll outgrow your anime phase when you're older.
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>>78834123
Iron Man Armored Adventures called, it wants it program back
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While this isn't /co/ related show, this is one of the best animated animal fights of all time, if not the best.
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>>78834112
this tbqhwyf
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>>78835696
But I liked the Whiplash vs. Centurion Armor fight.
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>>78835722
Dafuq is that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gCRt9XGJDs#t=20s this fight was fucking baller.
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>>78835956
primeval, Gorgonopsid vs future predator. There was a video on youtube but it got taken down. All that is left is AMV
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>>78836030
???
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>>78835511
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I don't know what makes for good fight choreography. All the fight scenes I like get shat on ( OP's image is one of them).
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desu senpai
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>>78832394
i thought this fight was basically ripped from utena
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>>78836776
Poorly
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>>78834863
No, they use Poser 98.

But the the guy who started it, monty oum, died, and his understudy type person whose been lead animator for the current volume is leaving for reasons unknown, so it' always possible they could upgrade for the next volume
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>>78836408
what the hell is this from
>>78836302
my guess is you like the build up and suspense in a show and you confuse it with the fight scenes. that scene had some good build up,drama, and the song during it while chessy added to it very well making it entertaining.... just not good. as in well choreographed, or full scenes of action. a good fight scene is measured in how far away you are from the fighters, if you see their faces and individual blows you are looking at crap that was done to give the illusion of excitement rather than a good fight. in conclusion a good fight it the entire fight in one motion with as few change of perspectives as possible.
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>>78837849
>understudy is leaving
Was there a dip in the already not good quality of RWBY with him in charge?
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>>78836776
>Bum Anime

fuck off pedophile
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>>78838113
>>78834791
>>78835674
what is wrong with you people.
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>>78838150
Is this your first day here?
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>>78838214
i just wonder why i still come here.
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>>78838083
>Was there a dip in the already not good quality of RWBY with him in charge?
Not really.

At least not that I can tell, but others who know more about animation would probably know better than I would
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>>78836408
>getting stoned in your van gives you kung fu powers

>>78832394
Like the example from >>78834408 it's kind of obligatory but ATLA has some great fight choreography. The Jet fight and Crossroads of Destiny (which is basically Empire Strikes Back with kung fu) are the best IMO, but there are great scenes sprinkled throughout.
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the fight in spectacular spiderman where he fights the sinister six in central park is my favorite, there was a video of it but its been taken down unfortunately

that was just a really good show in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygVL73HUZVI
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>>78837880

In Legend of the Phantosaur, Shaggy gets hypnotized to be a badass.
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>>78836408
sweuce
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMaYVfm4cEE

THE MAN FROM GOTHAM WORE THE GREY AND BLUE
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>>78836030
>announcing reports

Hoo boy
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Pretty much anything Samurai Jack.
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>>78839628
yep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KODo-qsBoIE
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23:06 to 24:20.

Excellent episode and fight scene.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W1FMlvQl_eI
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>>78832394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1EpAmjwfeY
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>>78840011
wtf is this video, why not just link to kisscartoon or watchonline like a normal person?
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>>78840387
Quickest one I could find on my phone. I know it's crappy, but the sound is fine for the scene I was talking about
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>>78832394
The blackmanta/sportsmaster fight comes to mind as fairly well done.
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>>78834791
>implying cartoons aren't as shit.

/a/ and /co/ are the exact same thing, why do we hate eachother?
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>>78838265
because 4chan is your life?
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>>78835631
>thinking 1 person is /sug/
i've got some news to you anon....
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>>78834123
From what I've seen, which isn't much, the choreography is good but the models and backgrounds are so ugly and cheap-looking that it ruins the whole thing.
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>>78843002
It's a /sug/ poster
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>>78835722
A sabre tooth tyrannosaur?
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>>78832394
Hulk vs wolverine
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Thanos vs The god Doom
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The Korean studio behind this film stacked their budget in favor of the fight scene at the end. They did some generic choreography with the animators in studio, mocked up some crude 3D models, and lo and behold, the final product was pretty fantastic.
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>>78834817
You're right in that SU is low quality.
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>>78835511
Honestly I'm not a huge Wakfu fan.
A lot of the first season was slow, and I dropped it like four episodes into the second.
But along with some great story stuff and the waifus, the action was pretty excellent.
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>>78832394
Anyone who defends this shit doesn't understand the blur is a cheap effortless way too fool dumbasses like those who helps it.
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>>78847573
shouldn't be allowed
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>>78847573
Epic simply epic
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>>78847573
>blur

Are you trying to say smear?
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Steven Universe haters are retarded
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Archer has some pretty realistic firefights... for Bret.
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>>78832394
A thread just for saying you think this scene sucks?
This is /co/ level, I think.
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>>78835674
No, it's American animation that's cheap and unimaginative. This is just projection.

>>78842042
How are the they same thing?
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>>78835663
>Warning about Obama and Bronies and not about the Stock Market crash, to prevent the economy from tanking as hard as did or to at least ensure those responsible are held accountable.

Priorities
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>>78835722
Is that the thing from Cloverfield?
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>>78853072
if SU haters are retarded, then SU fans are brain dead
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>>78855945
Spicy buzzwords there, pal. Careful you dont burn yourself with those zingers, sport. Pretty heavy truths your dropping, bucko, watch your toes.
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This is the good shit right here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj07qh51zPI
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>>78855992
that's cheating
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>>78855699
Like anime is never cheap or shit
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I bet you assholes think the Star Wars prequel fights are good.
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>>78857742
Some anime look cheap relative to other anime. American animation looks cheap relative to anime. Very, very cheap. When people say something like "anime is cheap-looking and badly animated and made entirely in Korea," they are engaging in projection.
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>>78836302
One thing that writers do too often is have characters pause to say witty things to each other. A lot of good fights are uninterrupted duels, where the only dialogue is one or two lines quickly said when the fighters AREN'T right in front of each other, or when one of them has already been defeated.
As for the actual choreography, just make sure the movements would really flow into each other and that momentum is always carried.
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I know everyone hated Korra but it had some decent fights
>video is sped up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkKFZ6Oinp4
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>>78834123
I found the fighting to be so bad i dropped the series halfway through the first season.
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>>78857764
Shut up
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>>78843065
>the choreography is good
not even. Nothing has any weight, impact, or recoil to it at all, it's even worse than anime in that regard.
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>>78858349
The fights were pretty much the sole reason to watch Korra, some of them were pretty sweet.
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>>78857911
Korra shits on almost all anime from the last few years
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>>78861914
It really doesn't. Not to mention that it wasn't even animated in America (then again, what is?), and is highly exceptional among American TV animation.
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>>78832513
baka desu senpai
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>>78862087
Most anime get outsourced to Korea too
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>>78861914
>Korra shits on almost all anime from the last few years
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>>78865028
No. This is projection. Only some of the work is outsourced, mostly in-between animation. On American productions the norm is to outsource ALL animation. You don't even know who animated something (not that anyone seems to care), the storyboards are just fed into a black box in Korea that spits out completed animation.
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>>78838389
This nigga has never herd of Bong Fu?
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>>78865475
Not even. It genuinely depends on the studio and how they operate. Some studios do a lot more in house than outsourcing.
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>>78865123
Your pic is pretty much proof that it's true.
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>>78865583
I've never heard of a production that was outsourced to Korea, and I don't consider such a production to even be anime.

>>78865611
It's what we call a "reaction image," newfriend. It is not supposed to be an example of anime superiority.
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>>78865662
Anon, check the credits. I don't understand how it's "not anime" if it's outsourced
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>>78865782
I check credits all the time. I have never seen an anime outsourced to Korea.

It's not anime if all the animation work is done outside Japan by foreigners.
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>>78847573
I honestly don't care. You faggots hate everything on this stupid board.
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>>78861914
LoK's animation is great, but the show itself is a fucking mess.
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>>78865866
>It's not anime if all the animation work is done outside Japan by foreigners.

Holy shit. You're understanding of what anime is is severely lacking. How about you go to /a/ and make a thread about "what anime is". They'll be quick to correct you and give you examples of outsourced animation.
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>>78855699
>How are the they same thing?
they are both filled to the brim with pedophiles and autism.
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>>78847573
have you never waved your hand really fast in front of your face?
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>>78847715
I know SU isn't supposed to be an action show, but that's just sad.
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>>78861914
animation was decent

everything else was shit.
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>>78866009
No, you don't understand what anime is. You think it''s just a vague visual style and a collection of tropes that can be made anywhere by anyone. But it's not. It's a form of Japanese animation intimately tied to Japan and the Japanese people. If an anime production is outsourced to another country, it isn't anime.

If you know all about these outsourced productions then feel free to list them. But even if you did, so what? They are not the norm like you're making them out to be. You are just trying to project the failures of the American animation industry onto the anime industry out of nationalistic jealousy.
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>>78866066
I don't know about /co/, but I think you're confusing /a/ with /tv/.
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>>78866162
Uh no. Anime means animation developed in Japan. Just because it was outsourced doesn't make it not a Japanese production. It's still written, drafted, funded, voice acted, and aired in Japan. Having Korean animators do the animation does not change this.

Examples:
Assassination Classroom
One Punch Man
Naruto
One Piece

And most other anime
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>>78866162
You cannot be this retarded
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>>78866066
Hyperbole: the post.
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>>78866447
This looks really familiar for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it.
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STAS is the best anime
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>>78866554
Bebop
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>>78866607
MODS
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>>78866597
Huh. I guess I should watch this now. Thanks anon.
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>>78865866
>>78866162
>It's not anime if all the animation work is done outside Japan by foreigners.
>/co/: talking about shit you have no idea about
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>>78866280
>Anime means animation developed in Japan.
In that case, if the entire production staff of Adventure Time moved to Japan, it would suddenly be anime? No. Anime is a product of Japanese culture, history, society and language, and the animation and production techniques it employs, and many other things.

>Examples:
Did you actually look at the credits on ANN? They're all full of Japanese animators.

>And most other anime
Holy fucking shit, are you for real? I know it's traumatic for you that the American animation industry has completely shit itself and basically doesn't even exist, but denial and projection is not going to make it any better.

>>78866435
What did I say that is in any way retarded?

>>78866747
No, you don't know what you are talking about.
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>>78866785
Also:
>Just because it was outsourced doesn't make it not a Japanese production. It's still written, drafted, funded, voice acted, and aired in Japan. Having Korean animators do the animation does not change this.
Animation is a big part of anime. If none of the animation is done in Japan then it isn't anime anymore.
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>>78834123
RWBY will never be a good example of fights
too many animation errors, i'd post the webms but i didn't save any.
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>>78866785
Holy shit. So is any anime done by Studio Pierrot not anime anymore because Henry Thurlow works on it? It's still produced in Japan even if 100% of the animation isn't done in Japan. It's still anime if animation is outsourced. Point blank. It's still a made in Japan and for Japanese people. Also, ANN don't give full credits, just the "head" people. Look at the actual credits in the actual shows.
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>>78866785
Is One Punch Man not anime anymore because Korean animators worked on it?
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>>78865866

The second Ghost in the Shell movie "Innocence" was outsourced to Lucasfilms' ILM division
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>>78866785
>I'm not stupid! Everyone else is!

Despite multiple people telling you otherwise, you still seem to not understand that Japan outsources animation too. I don't think you even watch anime and are just b8ing at this point.
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>>78845178

Gorgonopsid, you moronic illeterate.
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>>78867097
How is one foreign animator on the production equivalent to all the animation being outsourced to a foreign country?

>It's still anime if animation is outsourced. Point blank. It's still a made in Japan and for Japanese people.
It's mostly made outside Japan, yet it's still made in Japan? And no, it's not enough that an animation is made in Japan and for the Japanese market. That doesn't make something anime. Anime is much, much more than that, like I already said.

>>78867141
Did I say something isn't anime because Koreans worked on it?

>>78867144
No it wasn't, and who exactly at ILM could have even done that animation? Putting aside that ILM is a special effects company, not an animation company, it's incredibly rare for Westerners to even be able to draw a character that looks like it could have been made by a Japanese artist. And that's just making one drawing; now how about doing that as animation and employing all the animation techiques anime uses? Anime isn't something you can shit out on command.

>>78867215
I never said Japan doesn't outsource any animation.
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>>78835696
IMAA actually had an animation budget to speak of
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>>78853072
>>78855945
>>78855961
>you're retarded
>no, you're retarded
>whoa nice buzzwords pal
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/a/ here. I love this thread. Come visit us sometimes.
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>>78867271
>Anime is much more

Anime is an animated work created in Japan, no matter if it's outsourced or not.

Not only that, if you go for the Japanese definition of "anime" it means all animation.
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>>78867271
>Did I say something isn't anime because Koreans worked on it?
You sure as fuck implied id
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlHDHE_umiI
thank god he came back
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>>78867271
So what's your point then. America does pretty much the same amount of work on their end for Korea as Japan does for Korea
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>>78867361
Anime is a product of Japanese culture, history, society and language. It's a product of the limited animation and production techniques developed for television. It's a product of the beliefs the Japanese have about animation (as opposed to the very different beliefs Americans have about animation). It's a product of manga. It's also been influenced by things like visual novels and otaku culture. Anime is all of these things, and more. It's not just any and all animation made in Japan.

>Not only that, if you go for the Japanese definition of "anime" it means all animation.
People never, ever get tired of repeating this nonsensical semantic argument, do they? It doesn't matter how the Japanese use the word. Anime is what it is even if it's called "h5u4th43gfreg." It's not defined by semantics. Likewise, American animation (or whatever) doesn't become anime just because someone calls it that.

>>78867405
No, I didn't.

>>78867526
Outsourcing ALL the animation work is not the same thing as outsourcing SOME of the animation work, especially when it's mostly in-betweening.
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Clone Wars (the cartoon) had some awesome stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64-3talVkUA
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>>78867613
Except they don't outsource all of the animation work. See: Titmouse, Disney TV animation, etc
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>>78867613
>doesn't matter how the Japanese use the word
>it doesn't matter how Japan classifies their own animation. I'm going to make up my own definition for it.
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>>78867613
Anime isn't a genre, it's a medium. It doesn't matter what trends affect the shows because it's still anime. It's made in Japan it's anime, it's not even debatable.
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>>78867706
I am talking about a production outsourcing all the animation, not the entirety of the American animation industry outsourcing animation. There is still some animation made in America, but it's not a lot.

Gravity Falls was evidently produced by Disney Television Animation, but when you look at the credits on IMDB there are basically no credited animators. There's one person doing something called pixel animation, and one person doing "additional animation." And three animation directors. A Korean company is credited as a production company. The 2013 Mickey Mouse series has one credited animator.

>>78867776
I JUST explained this in the very same post you're responding to. It's a semantic argument. Read what I said again.

>>78867820
I didn't say anything about genre or medium.

>It's made in Japan it's anime, it's not even debatable.
It is very much debatable.
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>>78867979
It's not semantics. Anime is anime no matter what if it's made in Japan by Japan for Japan, even if it has outsourced animation. Stop trying to change definitions.
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>>78868165
"The Japanese call all animation anime, therefore all animation is anime" is a semantic argument. A very bad semantic argument.

Anime is defined by certain things. It's certain kind of animation existing in a certain kind of context. It's not just any animation made in Japan. Adventure Time isn't going to become an anime if all of the production team is moved to Japan. Even if all of them were replaced with Japanese people who carried on doing the show exactly as before, it still wouldn't be anime.

An anime that has all of its animation outsourced overseas is not anime either. I realize that Americans place no importance on animation and consider it busywork to be handled by Koreans (or someone else in Asia), but that doesn't mean it's treated the same way in Japan.
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>>78835722
Primeval season 1 and 2 were GOAT.
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>>78868332
>Adventure Time isn't going to become an anime if all of the production team is moved to Japan.

It would be if it was made FOR japan
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>>78868552
No, it wouldn't. That's a completely arbitrary claim.
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>>78868613
Yes it would
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So is posting SU the co/ equivalent of posting nintendo on v/?
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>>78868613
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc0tIjw7fII
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>>78868786
There is no reason why it would. Your claim is not based on anything. It's arbitrary. And before you say something like "hur but you are being arbitrary too," my definition of anime is based on its history and its constituent elements.

>>78868823
No.
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>>78868857
Yes
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>>78868895
I'm not going to watch a YouTube video that you posted without any explanation.
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>>78868950
Then you're purposefully staying ignorant
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>>78868980
If you have something to say, then say it. Otherwise you can just fuck off. Some guy on YouTube is just some guy on YouTube and I don't have to watch his video just because you told me to.
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>>78869030
It's me.
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>>78865929
Sure, but there still IS an objective standard, and this horseshit cartoon is near the bottom rung.
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Even as a SU Fan, ive got to admit that scene is pretty awful. Same goes for Stronger Than You. But this scene is pretty much my favorite fight ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlhOusGdMVA

The way the music syncs up with all the hits and characters is so satisfying. I wish every fight scene was like this.
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>>78869278
>the season mid-finale is better than the season finale

This show fucks up with priorities
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>>78869278
>I wish every fight scene was like this.
I think you should raise your standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR1cMPnMcaY
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>>78865123
>Muh' cookie-cutter slice of life budget-animated horseshit shows that anybody else would be unable to distinguish between if their lives depended on it
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>>78867613
>Anime is a product of Japanese culture, history, society and language.
You keep repeating this like it means anything outside whatever cultural studies textbook you copied it from. The thing is, anime, like all genres of stuff, is a living institution. You can't pin it down with a definition because a genre's definition is constantly in flux and includes whatever consumers of said genre choose for it to include by consensus. You think this means I can say SU or The Simpsons is anime. That's not correct, there is no consensus of any size validating those claims. But many people describe Avatar as "American Anime." If that means something to enough people then it becomes true, and when the consensus definition for anime changes enough then Avatar may very be considered anime in the future. Don't like it? Welcome to the bed you made. You want to speak authoritatively about definitions? Sorry, that requires a paper, not a soundbite, dickhead.
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>>78869355
I wish you at least picked an example from a TV show
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>>78866009
>/a/ knows what anime is
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>>78865866
>I have never seen an anime outsourced to Korea.

Then you don't watch anime nigger
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>>78869430
Better than some /co/ faggot at least.
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>>78847715
swords have no weight at all
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>>78832394
I would post that webm of Lance fighting that Galalunian officer guy from Sym-bionic Titan, but I can't find it through google and I never saved it even though it's a fucking outstandingly coordinated fight scene.
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>>78869466
/a/'s tastes are either homogenized mass-appeal horseshit or horrendously obscure and unheard of weird shows that are so out of the way you'd need to be autistic to uncover in the first place.

It's a cesspool that begs for genocide.
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>>78869405
>You keep repeating this like it means anything outside whatever cultural studies textbook you copied it from.
I didn't copy it from anywhere, and it's self-evident enough that nobody should have to explain it to you.

>The thing is, anime, like all genres of stuff, is a living institution.
I never said or implied it isn't, and I obviously am aware that it's a living institution. One Punch Man is a long way from Astro Boy. But it's part of the same lineage. The animation and production techniques used by Astro Boy, the manga influence, the assumptions people had and developed about animation... those are all part of OPM today. There's a clear link between the two. "Living institution" doesn't mean "some dumbfucks said this is anime, so now it's anime."

>But many people describe Avatar as "American Anime."
Because they don't know what anime is. They think it's a vague visual style and some tropes. It's not.

>If that means something to enough people then it becomes true, and when the consensus definition for anime changes enough then Avatar may very be considered anime in the future.
Up is not down and Germany is not an island just because a lot of people say so. This is a blatant appeal to majority.

>You want to speak authoritatively about definitions? Sorry, that requires a paper, not a soundbite, dickhead.
And here's an appeal to authority.

>>78869411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_uEdrrhXM#t=2m00s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF4FNORbsg#t=12m12s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX66pmtycTU#t=1m18s

>>78869442
I'm still waiting for someone to show me an anime that was completely outsourced to Korea. Someone tried before, but he didn't actually look at the credits and just assumed things (based on what, I don't know).

What's the point here anyway? Even if there's some that was animated entirely in Korea, so what? It is not the norm.

>>78869566
>mass-appeal horseshit
You mean anime that airs at ungodly hours and is aimed at a niche audience?
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>>78869566
Also: all shows are equally discoverable when they air. They all air in seasons, and the season charts are all easily available.
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>>78869775
Nobody said anything about completely outsourcing the show
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>>78869775
>You mean anime that is aimed at a niche audience?

Read the second half of the post, dipshit.
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Tarzan's fight scenes kick ass.
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>>78869835
That's exactly what we've been talking about this entire time.

>>78869849
What do you think late night anime is? It airs at ungodly hours and is aimed at a niche audience. The mass appeal anime is mostly stuff like Pokemon, Detective Conan, PrettyCure, Sazae-san and Doraemon. Mainstream Japanese audiences don't watch Yuru Yuri.
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>>78869909
Nope. That's not what it was about
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>>78869937
Uh, yes it was. Why would I argue about partial outsourcing? It's basic knowledge that anime productions outsource to foreign countries.
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>>78869973
Sure didn't seem like it lol
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>>78869997
This is where this started:
>>78862087
>>78865028
>>78865475 (notice: "only some of the work")
>>78865583

And:
>>78867144
>>78867526
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>>78869489
Well they are light projections so that part makes sense.
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>>78834408
this seems more like good art, interesting cmpositions and angles that anything to do with coreagrophy
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>>78870086
None of them said 100% of the show was outsourced
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>>78832394

femanon buttsex b7 moar cute
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>>78870570
I said Korra wasn't animated in America. As in, not at all. Someone replied that anime is outsourced to Korea too, as in outsourced entirely. I said that only some of the work is outsourced, whereas in America it's the norm to outsource all of it. Someone replied that it depends on the studio, meaning that some studios outsource everything. Then there were those people saying that Innocence was outsourced entirely to ILM and that American and Japanese productions outsource equally, i.e. Japan outsources everything just like America does.

It's very clear what we've been talking about, but I guess you're just going to pretend to be stupid.
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>>78870757
>as in outsourced entirely

Nobody said this
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>>78867526
Best SU fight scene, which isn't saying much.
Wish they had a decent fight scene where the characters are actually trying to kill each other.
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>>78870757
Korra was outsourced to Japan for most of season 2.
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>>78869278
It's better than stronger than you but still pretty bad. There's just not enough energy to it.
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>>78855992
>Every second of that
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>>78869775
>it's self-evident enough that nobody should have to explain it to you
But it's also wrong (also, since you're interested in fallacies, this one is called an appeal to common sense). Any checklist of acceptable parameters for what qualifies as anime will always be violated. You've already lost this argument vis a vis outsourcing animation. OPM is animated by Koreans, violating what you said here >>78866162 "If an anime production is outsourced to another country, it isn't anime." I could stop right here because there's no point in continuing but this is kind of fun.

>One Punch Man is a long way from Astro Boy. But it's part of the same lineage. The animation and production techniques used by Astro Boy, the manga influence, the assumptions people had and developed about animation... those are all part of OPM today. There's a clear link between the two. "Living institution" doesn't mean "some dumbfucks said this is anime, so now it's anime."
The thing is you could make the exact same argument linking Astro Boy to Legend of Korra in tems of influence, style, etc, but you won't because you're being too narrow, or perhaps willfully xenophobic(xenophilic?).

>Because they don't know what anime is.
>Up is not down and Germany is not an island just because a lot of people say so. This is a blatant appeal to majority
If you want to formulate a definition of anime, do it but sorry it has to have internal consistency. You can't call appeal to majority on a definition dependent on majority opinion, which is how genre theory works whether you like it or not. Argue that anime isn't a genre if you want, but you'll lose. Globalism is global and anime isn't excluded. Japanese particularity fails your definition.

>And here's an appeal to authority.
Come back with a less arbitrary definition is not an appeal to authority any more than your insistence upon your failed definition is an argument from repetition. Back to JV debate with you, urchin.
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>>78855699
>American Animation
>Japanese Animation
Anon they're both handed off to Korean and Philippine Animators.
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>>78832647
I kinda like the effect to be honest. It could probbably stand being faster though.
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learning about real swordfighting makes swordfighting in media, be it animation of film or vidya look so awdkward and clumsy.
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This could have been a really cool thread where we post badass fight scenes and talk about what makes them good.

But instead we have pedantic autists arguing over semantics.

Fuck this board and fuck each and every one of you.
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>>78872015
>But instead we have pedantic autists arguing over semantics.
This is what happens in every thread on every board
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>>78872086
FUCK EVERYTHING.
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>>78869355
The animation itself was good but the shaky camera and constant unnecessary cuts made it completely fucking impossible to tell what was going on.
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>>78872015
>>Fuck this board and fuck each and every one of you.
Even me?
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>>78869562

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQLiq3PkG8

Season 2 never.
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>>78834408
swear to god I try and I try to like samurai jack.

It' just not for me, I suppose
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>>78857911

>defending animating on 3's or worse.
>defending a total lack of moving holds
>defending "lip-syncing" w/o an audio track to sync to

yes anime can be prettier in any number of unrelated ways, but actual animation wise it's a joke compared to the standards of animation in the US.
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To settle the debate on what anime is since so many people here are ignorant

>Anime
The Japanese term for animation, period. They call mickey mouse, Ben 10 and Teen Titans anime. It's literally the word animation rendered in Japanese and shortened.

For boards and categorizing things anime is animation produced with the intent to be distributed within Japan and primarily with the Japanese audience in mind.

THE END
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>>78861914
Yeah, sure there buddy.
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>>78861914
>Korra shits on almost all anime from the last few years
Lol...no.

More like it's on their level of mediocrity.

We've had a ton of mediocre shows in the past few years.
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>>78866162
>If an anime production is outsourced to another country, it isn't anime.

Next time you are on a/ try to pay attention and read to the animation and production threads that are on there. At the end of the day it's a business and people are trying to make money. If an animation studio elsewhere is not charging a lot they are going to outsource the work to then if they can get it done at a cheaper price. This is what ALL businesses do. Even in the One Punch Man threads it was constantly mentioned that there were a bunch of Korean animators working on it.

Even if this it the case that does not mean the work is any less Japanese just because in betweens were done by a studio in not located in Japan. That's like saying when American companies outsource the animation then it's not longer American. The notion is absurd.
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>>78869820
>>>78866162
I think what he means is the board has clung to very particular and niche taste. A lot of them being very bad.
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>>78865475
Do you even know what projection means?
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>>78870309
The swords aren't
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>>78872117
I agree,
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>>78836408
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>>78866406
Well that was one-sided as all fuck.

I really regret never watching this when it was on.
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>>78861914

A literal wrong opinion
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Why can't westerners compete with the Japanese in animation?
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>>78880184
Because
1. You're cherrypicking
2. Westerners like more than half a frame per second
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>>78880249
>cherrypicking
How?
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>>78867613
>Arguing semantics of the word "anime"
>refuses to accept semantic arguments
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>>78872015
I second that. I mean, I know this is the nature of /co/, and every board for that matter. But goddamn, guys
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>>78880766
What is this from? I swear I remember this.
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>>78881138
Robot Carnival.
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>>78881154
Thanks <3
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>>78880944
>>78880983

Is it just me or is Korra a really shitty fighter?
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>>78881321
She's recovering from being a cripple and has PTSD.

Byrke aren't known for subtlety and yet people still missed the point.
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>>78869030
>>78868950
>>78868857
Jeez you sound butt blasted. It was a short video, it's pretty interesting.
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>>78838389
>tourneyfag
melee?
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>>78869775
Dude, something like considering something an American Anime is much more open to interpretation and opinion than referring believing something that is factually wrong.
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>>78834004
Eh, it's a training thing, not a real fight if that changes things, still pretty bad.
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>>78872015
Agreed, I love fight scene threads and this one somehow got derailed into arguing over what anime is. Like...What the fuck does it matter what someone considers anime?

Hell if you have cool anime fights please share them, I dont think it has to strictly be cartoons if you can point out examples of what make a good fight scene in any type of animation?
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>>78867613
Uh, no. It's MUCH simpler than that. Anime is simply what the japanese call animation, and what non-japanese call animation from japan. That's it. We call it a cartoon, they call it anime.
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>>78882279
When they're fighitng back to back I remember a scene like that in Samurai Champloo
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>>78881321
No, she's a shitty Avatar.
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>>78836408
For those wondering, This is from an episode where Shaggy lost the ability to feel fear IIRC
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>>78881321
Amazing animation and choreography can't save a fight from being boring if the characters aren't handled well.
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>>78884858
Some Naruto bullshit with those orbs.
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>>78881519
always and forever

also this thread is just reminding me how disappointing Korra was
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>>78834123
It depends, Monty had some good choreography but there was still major animation issues, the show's been getting better in that department every season but especially after his death things have gotten somewhat worse.
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>>78867304
Fuck off, we tried. You assholes continued to shit all over our efforts anyway.
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>>78885013
>also this thread is just reminding me how disappointing Korra was
Oi you better not be shittalking Korra's fight choreography.

ATLA had just as much if not more mediocre fight scenes but people only remember the good ones and extend it to the whole series while doing the opposite with LoK.
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>>78885144
Are those... pistol nunchucks?
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>>78881321
What Korra lacks is creativity. All she is basically doing in almost any fight is punching and kicking with different elements. Hell even Asami has better moves than her.
She has no style
and she has no grace.
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>>78885389
would you say that she has a funny face?
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>>78885379
Weapons are the only excuse for watching RWBY
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>>78885379
lever action pistol nunchucks, yes. The guy he's fighting is blocking the shots with his cane.
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>>78885440
yes
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>>78885453
My bigger problem is why are they ejecting shotgun shells
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>>78855992
>not posting Grevious
Come on now
https://youtu.be/xTnpqjJae-g
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>>78885537
So cool, and yet so dumb
>a cyborg with no force sensitivity is able to take on 5 jedi at once, one of which is a master on the jedi council
But I digress, this is a thread for cool fights and that it one hell of a cool fight.
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>>78885144
Looks like a PS2 era Tecmo cinematic.
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>>78885333
Korra's choreography and animation is mostly stellar. It's the retconning and wasted story potential that I'm disappointed in. At least Korrasami felt like it was somewhat earned.
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>>78885333
Korras fight choreography was really boring.

At least season 1 and 2 were, never got passed that.

Just a lot of element punshes and kicks, no real pizazz like ATLA.
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>>78866107
It doesn't look like rubber
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>>78869275
Sometimes I wonder if SU haters are even capable of sounding credible.
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Boondocks had some pretty goat animations.
This is mostly because McGruder was a weeb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ZpZK8-IJU
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>>78871504
They are now but american cartoons were largely Japanese animated with increasing frequency from the 60s up into the 90s, particularly anything that required actual dynamism rather than talking heads or short loops. It was only when all that American cash made the Japanese animation industry reasonably profitable that it became less affordable and everyone moved their shit to Korea instead.

On the subject of choreography though I really wish everyone would just stop abusing retarded backflips and constant leaping in and out of combat. It would really just improve the average quality by leaps and bounds all across the board.
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>>78871504
Most key animation in Japanese cartoons are done locally. Its the inbetweens that commonly gets sent abroad.
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>good
Avatar.
>bad
SU
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>>78886085
>good
Clone Wars
>bad
Korra
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>>78885537
>>78867658
my nigga right here
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>>78880766
It was watching shit like this as a kid that made me believe in magic.
Too bad animation of this caliber and detail isn't something that companies can strive for nowadays unless they want to go bankrupt.

So /co/, who would you consider the western contemporary equivalent of contemporary japanese key animators?
And of course I mean people who a regularly employed.
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>>78880184
I swear anime enthusiasts are sounding more like big black cock enthusiasts every single day.
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>>78885481
Cuz RWBY
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>>78832394
Keep in mind that before this fight occured https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzSNrwNpw0g this happened years before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrKYETorM8
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>>78832394
>What are some bad examples? (like pic NOT related)
Fixed
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>>78871847
its not just the effect, the jump after the swishes doesn't result in that pose, hence why it looks terrible
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>>78847715
Pearl is great at limbo
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