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Why are movies still afraid of using ''silly'' comic book suits for the characters?
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>>78824820
Using a "realistic" Electro made huge bank for Spidey 2, didn't it.
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Because then it would just be wrestling and not high art that will hold up through the ages.
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>>78824820
This Electro costume is GOAT, but I don't think it would have worked for what they were doing (dorky scientist turned killer rather than a thug with powers) nor would I want it tainted because they would find a way to fuck it up
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Because it CAN not aways but can ruin the experience, gravity, tension, believability, immersion into the story and world.
Same with Godzilla, showa fans are all like why you hating on the late 60s/70s suits it's not meant to be realistic, IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER if it is outlandish, we still want bad ass suits that look visually impressive and believable not Adam west garbage.
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Because most of them were created 40 to 50 years ago and capeshit aren't timepieces so the material gets dated in the same way you don't wear bellbottoms or have mutton chops and nerds get sent to school in Kohl's t-shirts with New Balances and faded bootcut jeans now instead of sweatervests and bowties.
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>>78824820
Would you wear something like this? It breaks suspension of disbelief.
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>>78824820
This outfit would be better for live action.

>>78825727
>It breaks suspension of disbelief.
Did Spider-Man's costume break your suspension of disbelief?
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>>78826691
No because he is a joker and a light hearted hero.
Villains are suppose to be threatening and badass.
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sometimes it can be too much for someone's suspension of disbelief

it's not like the studios don't know what does or doesn't make money
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>>78824820
Because no one actually likes the super hero genre, people like saying they like it.
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>>78824951
Underage please go.
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>>78826817
>sometimes it can be too much for someone's suspension of disbelief
You're watching fucking super hero movies, you have to be able to do that. At least with adaptations.
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Because this looks great as a drawing but probably not so much in action. Imagine him from an odd angle, does he just have a hunk of cut up yellow cardboard strapped to his face?
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>>78826691
Spider-Man's costume works because he's a giant fucking dork and one of the very few older heroes still concerned with secret identities.
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>>78826790
>Villains are suppose to be threatening and badass.
His costume has nothing to do with this. Miles is a light hearted joker but wears black and red. The Joker is a threatening badass but his most popular image is a purple suit. If you think generic black costumes are cool then you're pretty fucking lame.
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>>78824820
Justice League did it.
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Because comic costumes are drawn to work for comics and not real life.

Dat magic paint don't exist.
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>>78827012
Batman Forever did it, too!
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>>78827049
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Because in the movies no one really has a reason to wear a costume.
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>>78827044
This.

In a comic book, costumes are defined by line weight and exeraggered gesture rather than real world material like faberic or spandex. It's just one of those things thay can't translate to live action well, because it ends up looking silly rather than pulpy and badass. Compare Golden Age Batman's design to Adam West, Adam just doesn't have the advantage of being a drawing and being as dynamic an artist could make a character. Even Batfleck's costume is missing some of that.

Does thay mean studios shouldn't try? Nope. Faithful attempts are still better than tacticool bullshit or putting too much detail into the designs to where they're cluttered (suicide squad).
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Because they're gaudy and hideous as fuck, and why would anyone purposefully go out of their way to wear that kind of shit when they could make something cooler?
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>>78827012

>Green Lantern
>his costume is blue

You had one fucking job, costume designers. One. Fucking. JOB!
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>>78824820
Because silly shit belongs on ink not film.
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>>78828541
But capes are all about silly shit.
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>>78827173
Ok but what about the recent trend of making 1:1 costumes but then adding a bunch of stupid textures?

Seriously I love the Superman v Batman costumes but hate their textures so very much.
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>>78828588
People get this wrong so much.

There's silly, and then there's "silly so it renders all drama meaningless"

Superheroes have silliness, but we're still meant to take their actions and situations somewhat seriously. Which is why the "lol lets be so self referential" types annoy me.
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>>78828639
And they do that drama that you just mentioned wearing silly costumes.
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>>78828588
You should read more comics if all you think about is the goof hoods and colors. Movies are better off rejecting your nonsense.
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>>78828683
Yes, but within the comic universes they aren't silly.

In the live action settings there almost has to be some tongue in cheek cutesy shit to explain why they're wearing it. None is needed in comics because thats just what they wear.
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>>78824820

Because no one wants to see a retard running around in a leotard like a faggot
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>>78825727
You know if I suddenly gained electricity powers I think I WOULD wear something like this.
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>>78827078
Are those razor blades on his glove or are my eyes going again?
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>>78827012
>Green Lantern
>Blue
>Kyle mask when it's meant to be Guy
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>>78828074
They never make anything cooler in these shitty movies aside from the first Iron Man suit
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>>78824924
The comics with the dumb wrestling costumes are still being written and explored more than half a century later. Tell me anyone is gonna remember TAMS 2 in a few years.
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>>78831309
Captain America's suits have been vastly better than the same one he was using since the 50s. The fact that it took the movies for them to finally change it a couple years ago is astounding.

Other than that I mostly agree, but Hawkeye costumes are shit in all mediums, desu.
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>>78828766
Why are the movie verses that make the outfits silly?

Take a gander at the original Superman movies. He wears a "silly" costume and there is no need to fucking explain it or joking around. It's the motherfucking Superman yo. He dresses as he pleases.
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>>78831418
>Captain America's suits have been vastly better than the same one he was using since the 50s.

Let's agree to disagree.
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>>78831309
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>>78831368
This applies to pretty much anyone in this thread that's saying shit like 'it's too silly'. Are people even going to remember a single comic book adaption in a few years? The comics on the other hand have existed and will continue to exist for decades. Always keep that in mind when saying how 'silly' and 'dated' these are.
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>>78831532
So yes to live action starfish mask and lime green textureless spandex?
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>>78827173
>In a comic book, costumes are defined by line weight and exeraggered gesture rather than real world material like faberic or spandex. It's just one of those things thay can't translate to live action well, because it ends up looking silly rather than pulpy and badass
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>>78831584
Why the fuck not. Spidermans and supermans suit look really fucking ridiculous as well, but no one cares, because those are 'iconic'.
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>>78831584
Hell fucking yes.

The silly the better. The costumes were always colorful and absurd, trying to make them functional is missing the point. Spider-man doesn't dress the way he does for being pratical, he does because it looks cool, silly, iconic, colorful.
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>>78827012
I dont see anything wrong with doing it but if you are you need actual quality costumes that dont look stupidly cheap. I mean they apparently couldn't even get a real green jacket.
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>>78826874
I didn't say I couldn't

but its fucking obvious that it's a complaint that a lot of casuals have. Just go on any youtube video about superheroes or facebook comments.
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Because, from a plot perspective, unless the character is super rich (Iron Man, Batman), or from another world/land (Thor, Wonder Woman, Black Panther, Green Lantern in a way), they will likely lack the skills and/or resources to make a costume like that. It's not like they're going to commission someone else to do it.

And if they're government agents (Black Widow, Hawkeye), it makes sense that they wouldn't wear something gaudy. Cap is one of the few exceptions because he was a mascot-turned-war hero, and even he gets a more stealthy suit for TWS.

Spider-Man is one of the few exceptions because Spidey's young and wants to become a superhero in the traditional sense, as opposed to your Iron Mans and Batmans who see themselves more as just a vigilante/someone-trying-to-do-good.
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>>78824820
Because, unlike comic book universes, the movies don't have an implied cultural pressure for costumes. Both Marvel and DC have sliding timelines going back years, new heroes and villains put on costumes because that's what superheroes and villains wear and being a superhero or supervillain is about the spectacle as much as anything else. Comic book movies don't have that. In comic book movies heroes and villains are new and rare, there isn't much reason for either of them to run out in costumes. Take a look at OP's pic. Looks good, is "realistic," and still harks back to the original. But there is no reason for Electro to wear it within the timespan covered by a film. He's some power company repairman given powers in a freak accident lashing out and using his powers to satisfy his greed and base impulses before being stopped by the hero after a few weeks at best.

I don't know about you, but my first thoughts after getting electrical powers and robbing a bank isn't going to be getting a custom bodysuit made.
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>why won't they have a silly suit?
>because casuals don't want to see that
>but why dont casuals understand what I understand?
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>>78831784
>Why are casuals the target audience?
>Because fuck you. Let's push more Harley and Spider-Gwen
>Nobody buys this shit
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>>78831758
>this is about storys of people having superpowers and you are concerned about realism
You're just spoiling your own fun, dude.
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>>78830898

I thought they were bullet shells.
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>>78831784
Real talk, why they don't?
Pretty much comics were super popular back in the day.

When they tried that shit, it either worked (Superman) or didn't work because the entire movie was silly not just the costume (Batman & Robin).
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>>78831644
Ross frequently takes liberties with fabric, just look at Superman's muscle definition.
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>>78831532
>Are people even going to remember a single comic book adaption in a few years?

We still remember Christopher Reeves as Superman and Michael Keaton as Batman.
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>>78831775
I agree with you so much, no one ever says this but its true on top of many other factors. I wish they would just do a fucking time skip ten years ahead or something. I feel like the mcu is already at this point but they're still not really taking advantage of it at all with the biggest offender being Jessica Jones.

>>78831784
But they do, Superman is the movie that made all capeshit movies popular.
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>>78831851
Thats how a really muscular man would look mostly.
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>>78831775
Then the problem is that the movies are going at it the wrong way. Offering a logical in-universe explanation doesn't justify it from a narrative point of view.
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>>78831824
not really, no
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>>78831851
And that fine. It still pretty much Superman's costume.
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>>78831851
It's spandex fitted to his frame with some worn areas on the arms. It looks fine.
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>>78831861
And did those tremble with making a realistic version of the comics or did they adapt a fucking comic book?
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>>78831877
In the MCU only something like five years have passed and there are still only a little over a dozen heroes and fewer active villains.
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>>78831823
>movie revenue directly translates to comic revenue
nu uh f a m
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>>78831877
I had people defending Jessica Jones blatant hate for her costume on /co/ before, citing "you aren't suppose to agree with Jessica Jones, ever. Ever!"

As if, they try to deflect this annoying bit by saying it's supposed to be annoying and that the director wanted you to disagree with Jessica.

Which I don't buy for a second.
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>>78831644
>That Flash
I'd rather have the leather
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>>78831824

It's not so much me as it is the filmmakers. I think the reason why Christopher Reeves' Superman, Adam West's Batman, and even maybe the Schumacher Batman films got free passes were because we were still getting to see a lot of these characters in live-action for the first time.

Now that we've had those experiences, I think filmmakers want to try making more grounded heroes, who live in a world we can relate to - people just like us, but who find themselves in extraordinary circumstances. The whole costume thing comes with that.
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Superheroes don't wear the silly costumes in film for the same reason the devil in film no longer wears a red velvet onsie. What worked in one very specific context during a very specific time period does not work any longer, despite (or maybe because of) how iconic it became.
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>>78831861
Who's we?
People over 35?
No one not expressly interested in capeshit is going to go back and watch decade old capeshit movies. The same way 25 year old bitches are just watching Star Wars for the first time now.
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>>78831775

That's actually a very good point no one ever brings up.

Doom in the original Fantastic Four was one of the few villains who were able to achieve their signature look despite the short timeframe of the movie.
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>>78832015
Generally speaking, any monstrous, armored, or uniformed villain will have a pretty easy time getting their signature look.
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>>78832005
Are you seriously implying people do not care about Tim Burton's Batman and old School Supes movies?
Ok.
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>>78831947

You can't really make that comparison though, because artistic tastes were different back then, not to mention it was uncharted waters for the medium at the time. Didn't Adam West's Batman come out only a few years after color TV became the standard? The first adaptation of anything gets a free pass because people just want to see how it looks in the new medium. Where as now, we take adaptations more for granted, so we have a lot more room for criticism.

Video game devs weren't concerned about making immersive, open-world games back in the day either, but now that the idea of being able to play a video game at home in your living room isn't as ground-breaking as it was decades ago, the audience wants more depth.
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>>78832152
If that was the case, people wouldn't remember it, since it is so dumb and doesn't hold up. But it does, and do you really think comic book movies like TASM2 are going to be remembered?
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>>78832270
'it' being superman and Tim Burtons batman
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Not a huge DC guy but isn't Hal Jordan's costume literally a hard-light construct? The movie depicted that pretty accurately, and look how bad that turned out.
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>>78832270

I'm not saying they're bad because of what we're used to today, I'm just saying I don't think "silly" costume comics would be as acceptable in this time period as they were back then.

It holds up as a product of its time - and a good one - but I couldn't see the same approach being taken today. Especially since it's seen as a dated look.
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>>78832311
Movie was shit, costume was fine
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>>78832311
Correct on both counts
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>>78832311
>>78832459
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>>78832410
>Especially since it's seen as a dated look.
By whom? And why? They look like every other fucking batman and superman costume in adoptions.
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>>78832459
Movie honestly gets a lot more hatet han it deserves. Oa looked nice and the alien designs were awesome, and I liked that his outfit actually looked like an alien construct instead of spandex and white gloves. Still easily better than Thor.
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>>78832410
>I don't think "silly" costume comics would be as acceptable in this time period as they were back then.
If anything, they are more accepted now than ever. Compare caps suit in winter soldier to cyclops running around as a matrix cosplayer and saying 'ummm a-at least it's not spandex, amirite guys?'
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>>78832477
costume was cgi garbage. always looked terrible.
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>>78832606
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>>78832608
whatever you say anon
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>>78824820
I've never liked Electro's costume. Not only does it look stupid but it just looks bad. I can't believe the same guy who designed the sleek sexy classic that is the Spider-Man costume also came up with a costume that looks like something your 6 year old would draw and you'd put on your fridge for like a day at most.
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>>78832410
>>78832509
No seriously, what the fuck are you even talking about? How is this any more cheesy than in the 70s? How does the Tim Burton costume look incredibly more cheesy than the Dark Knight costume?
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>>78832782
Forgot pic like a true retard, sorry guys.
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>>78832743
>complains about cheesy costumes
>thinks the Spiderman costume is awesome
Pic one, anon.
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>>78832981
How is Spider-Mans costume cheesy, comparing it to the chassic Electro costume that you all want to see on screen
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Yes? No? Why?
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>>78833261
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>>78833071
Look at it again, completely ignoring all fanboyism and how iconic it is. It's a skin tight red and blue suit with Web all over it, for crying out loud.
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>>78824820

I'm partial to Electro's Web of Shadows design

Also, it makes me sad that when you google Electro all you get is the shitty Jamie Foxx version
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>>78832509

I was referring to Superman's spandex look, sorry. That's a dated look because spandex doesn't work within a modern mythos. It's not so much the times we live in as much as the times the movies are set in, but all of these movies are set in the modern age, and I don't think any 2016 real-world adult male superhero would consciously choose to wear spandex. Where as, back in the day, I could genuinely see a Superman having been alive and active in the 60's wearing that iconic suit.

At least that's what it is for me.

>>78832782

For the world the Dark Knight was set in, the Burton costume didn't make sense. Too camp. It's not an objectively bad costume though; just think the cowl needs some work.

As for Superman, his costume is the cornerstone of the superhero briefs debate, which a lot would love to see on screen, and a lot would hate. I think Superman Returns showed us the best compromise between something classic-looking made out of modern material.

Then again, you don't have much room for changes with Superman before it stops being Superman, so he's probably one of the exceptions. A costume like Batman's or Captain America's though, you can do some redesigning while still keeping the iconic look.
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>>78832981

McFarlene Spider-Man update is the GOAT costume
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>>78833454

Not that guy but it kind of makes sense though. Spidey has his spider sense to avoid taking hits from most thugs, so he doesn't need body armor. He swings around, so he needs something that doesn't weigh too much or could get caught on things. And he needs maneuverability, because his fighting style is acrobatic and he's always climbing.

It makes sense for the character.
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>>78833537
I can't stand that costume desu. Yeah, everytime there's a live action thing the google images gets swamped with it. Fuck, you can't look up the Riddler withoug getting a bunch of shitty NPH fan posters and and Batman Forever
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>>78833597
I never said it's bad, it's fucking awesome in fact, but it definitely is cheesy.
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>>78833610
Including the red and blue colour?
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>>78833713
Are we doing color now? Seriously? Fine, then every super hero should just wear black and white, no color at all
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>>78833788
That's the fucking point, realism in superhero worlds suck.
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>>78833849
the color of the costume is a seperate matter from them wearing spandex
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>>78824868
Not really, Sony expected more. Otherwise why would they make that deal with Disney
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They're ugly as sin, and no retard would be caught dead wearing them unless they're going to comic con
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>>78831309
Not every character is Ironman. Not all characters have the same origin or the same abilities. These 'Shitty' movies people judge harshly are adapted not for the hardcore fans but all movie goers. And regardless of whether or not you think it's shitty, they make bank. So yeah, don't spend your money on shit you think is a waste.
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>>78835613
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>>78835613
I recognize that bulge!
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>>78828541

>those backgrounds in cw shots

Get your shit together marvel, jesus christ.
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>>78824951
>not wanting Adam West tier camp
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>>78831309

>Yellowjacket
>Ant-Man
>Thanos
>Rocket
>Loki
>TFA Cap

Fuck off tripfag.
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>>78832538

It definitely gets more hate than it deserves but it was not better than Thor by any stretch. And Thor wasn't that great either.
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>>78833537

This costume was great except the mask, IMHO.
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Most costumes don't really translate to live action that well.
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