Russo Bros. on MCU Spiderman
>“We took a very personal approach to the character,” explained Joe Russo. “He was my favorite character growing up, so the opportunity to bring Spider-Man to the screen is a dream come true. It's something that I spent a lot of time thinking about as a kid. We had thought back to the things that excited us about him as a character when we were younger, and one of the most important components of that was that he's a high schooler burdened with incredible powers and responsibility. That really differentiates him from every other character in the Marvel universe as opposed to other superheroes. For us, it was extremely important that we cast somebody very close to the age of a high school student. The previous films had adults playing a high schooler. We wanted more of an authenticity to the casting. We were very specific about that. We wanted an energy and charisma from the character, an energy, but also an insecurity that would make him fun to watch in contrast to the confident superheroes.
>It was also important to us that the actor that was cast feel contemporary because the other films that portrayed where he lived is more... they honored the comic books in terms of the choices. But you go look at the home that Tobey Maguire lived in in Raimi’s Spider-Man was... those were very expensive homes. We wanted to relate it to the reality…”
Poor ass kiddo Spidey confirmed. Thoughts?
He means Aunt May's house. But to be fair, Uncle Ben had a good job before being laid off in the beginning of the movie, and the house was eventually foreclosed and repossesed by the bank.
>Raimi's movies are fantastic. Spider-Man one and two are amazing. Two, is one of if not my favorite comic book movie of all time. But he made a very strong choice with those movies from a color palate standpoint to a costume standpoint, execution standpoint, camerawork standpoint to honor the feeling of the comic book. We're trying to honor the feeling of naturalism and to honor the feeling of reality. The harder we can pull these characters into reality, the better for us, especially because we're all so connected now through social media, the Internet. We're all so dialed in to what's happening in current events. That it's important for us that these characters live in the world that we live in because it makes them more real and it makes our experience of watching them more passionate and more well-rounded.”
just gritty my tone up senpai
I mean I personally could take it or leave it, it's not a necessity by any means, but the upside is it's a visual distinction from the previous incarnations and it can lead to some creative acrobatics
So the Avengers are dicks?
>Hey kid, take part in my pissing contest. Gotta warn you though, the other side are more experienced and honed their powers better than you.
I recall a rumor where Spidey's first costume is supposed to look like one he could have made himself, and then Tony Stark makes him one inspired by Iron Spider.
Which is how I would want legs incorporated into the costume: not right away, and with the help of someone else
>I recall a rumor where Spidey's first costume is supposed to look like one he could have made himself, and then Tony Stark makes him one inspired by Iron Spider.
Already disproven. Feige has gone on record saying they're staying true to the red and blue costume.
The Iron Spider armor rumor just needs to die.
>The previous films had adults playing a high schooler.
True although he was a Senior and in the case of Raimi's Spider-Man he's only a high schooler in his origin and Raimi was mostly aiming for college age Spidey, which IMO it's the best Spidey since he's still in school, still worries for paying rent and taking care of his aunt but without having to answer to her where he's been, he doesn't have a curfew and he can go places and touch themes that you can't with a High school Spidey.
Plus he has access to science equipment and meets characters who would be more believable in a College environment than in a high school.
You would lose the bully thing with Flash Thompson shit but that is so overdone.
Honestly I rather see Kamala for a more high school oriented super hero.
>just gritty my tone up senpai
MFW Post-Nolan Marvel is going for gritty realism while DC is doing wacky crazy shit like the comics.
Because he isn't in that much of the movie. He is in a recruiting scene with Tony Stark, then a random battle and the grand finale. He'll probably have like 8 minutes of screen time. Maximum.
Wait, they're doing Ferris Bueller style Spider-man?
Jon Watts has been saying this since he was announced to direct.
>"The thing that everyone keeps saying is that it’s sort of like the John Hughes version of Spider-Man, which I think is a really cool take on it,” Watts told the Daily Beast. “He’s in high school, and the questions that that raises I think we haven’t explored as much as we can. In the comics so much of it was about him juggling his high school life and trying to be a superhero. I think there’s a lot to do there."
I'm not feeling the hype for Spidey. I mean, ever since 2002, it feels like we've been getting reboots of Spidey over and over through comics, movies and tv shows. What can they do that makes this new reboot fresh besides him quipping with the Avengers?
>Tfw you were actually looking forward to ASM3, despite how meh ASM2 was
>Tfw instead we're getting another fucking reboot that'll play it safe and take no risks because Disney only cares about money
>that'll play it safe and take no risks because Disney only cares about money
because you'd rather have another piece of shit you can meme over
>2 shit movies in a row
Russo confirmed he shows up halfway through and is present until the end, providing comic relief.
We'll see his recruitment and him going through two uniforms.
Hollywood Reporter confirmed he's part of the airport battle.
It's been reported he fights Captain America.
He's more than a cameo.
I just don't know what they will do to make me feel like "Oh yeah, this is why they rebooted" What am I to look forward to? Norman Osborn turning into Goblin, only to get killed and make Harry go evil over the course of several films? Gwen Stacy dying again? Hell, I'm at the point where MJ would be refreshing to see again. How far has the Spider-Man franchise fallen when I actually think that MJ would be a refreshing face!
I mean, sure, I guess he'll be cool for when he shows up in Civil War, but this film is feeling more like Winter Soldier/Avengers remix.
>Captain America has to share all of his screentime in his own movie
>best Cap movie is a Black Widow/Cap/Falcon movie
>What am I to look forward to? Norman Osborn turning into Goblin, only to get killed and make Harry go evil over the course of several films?
I think they should introduce Norman and build up the Green Goblin over several films, sort of like how Spectacular did it. That's the only way I can see it working.
>Gwen Stacy dying again? Hell, I'm at the point where MJ would be refreshing to see again.
They'll most likely go the Ultimate route, with MJ being first and Gwen coming in later on. Whether they should kill Gwen again or not is another story.
Widow & Falcon are C, no D-listers compared to Ironman, Spiderman, Antman, & BlackPanther. This is Avengers 2.5
You know what's going to be really annoying next year?
>>Both BvS and Civil War don't have the heroes vs. heroes fights have any lasting damage.
>>All critics, like the Cinema Sins people, will go "LOL, what was the point of having heroes fighting each other if they are gonna kiss and make up in the end?"
You know it's going to happen. And it's going to happen across the web like some universal complaint that everyone acts like they thought of it first.
>Both BvS and Civil War don't have the heroes vs. heroes fights have any lasting damage
Cap fucking dies
it's going to destroy BVS in this regard
>I think they should introduce Norman and build up the Green Goblin over several films, sort of like how Spectacular did it. That's the only way I can see it working.
Ugh, I'm so sick of the Green Goblin shit being so prevalent in all things Spider-Man. I mean, Harry barely makes up 1/64th of the stories in the comics, and yet every other form of media act like he's the biggest Spider-Man supporting cast member.
I want my Black Cat.
But not by the heroes fighting each other, and you can bet your ass every internet smartass is gonna start running their mouth about how all the hero vs. hero fights are just filler.
But again, we haven't seen Marvel put the pressure on those guys like they have with Favrou and Whedon. Gunn is lucky enough that cosmic Marvel is far removed from Earth stuff, but just imagine them going "Hey, could you somehow make Cassie Lang Stature in your next film" to Peyton, or "Hey Russos, could you fit Inhumans into the plot here?" Sure, everything is building to Infinity Wars, but Marvel will probably be setting up a lot of other things post Phase 3, and that could go every which way.
Yes, Gunn and Russos proved their worth, (Peyton I'm holding out on cause he had Wright's script), but that was their first outing. They could be pressured and break easily.
>hey do this
>wuh wuh wuh i cant handle
also again, all of AoU's faults were Whedon's inputs: studios may have wanted the Twins, but he decided to kill Quicksilver because "it had depth"
Whedon was the one who put them in the script! And besides, Quicksilver is too broken for the MCU. "Hey, we have to storm that Hydra base-nevermind, Quicksilver ran in and planted bombs everywhere". That makes sense.
But let's be honest, AoU was doomed because
>>Six Avengers plus 3 new ones
>>Infinity Wars Set Up
>>Ragnorok set up
>>Several major action sequences that happen around the world.
>>Black Panther set up with Claw
>>Civil War set up with Cap arguing with Tony
>>Trying to hint at Black Widow backstory
>>All of this with an hour cut.
They put way too much on the plate and the film couldn't handle it, especially with the hour cut. There was too much set up for future films that diminished the threat in the current one.
Except none of that was bad. What was bad:
>writing in general
>Bruce and Natasha
All that was terrible and bogged the film down. Not Claw, or the Vision quest, because that at least brought in Vision who almost carried the film.
None of the film's worst flaws are company mandates.
They'll just rehash that scene in the Raimi Spider-Man movie with his cheap costume and then they'll do that moment in the Civil War comics where he reveals his identity.
Poor, I know.
>>They took away civilian deaths because of Man of Steel's bad reaction, so to keep the film light.
Secondly, why do people hate the farmhouse scene so much? It was necessary breather after how stupidly fast paced everything before it was. Right after Ultron attacks the penthouse, it's like 2 scenes and suddenly Iron Man Cap and Thor just APPEAR behind Ultron on the boat. Like no explanation on how they got there, they just appeared and Ultron goes "Let's fight!" It's ridiculously fast paced. And yet people complain about the farm scene? If that wasn't there, it would be immediately "Let's go to South Korea!"
The film would have just been a string of action scenes if it weren't for that farmhouse scene, which wasn't that bad. I don't get why people act like that's he biggest problem in the film.
Because it had shitty scenes? The one between Nat and Bruce was one of the worst in the film.
Also its unbearably slow.
There really aren't ANY high school films anymore.
I am still bitter as fuck that Garfield didn't go to that fucking meeting. The TASM films could've been worked into the MCU especially since Feige sent Sony notes about the movies. The ending of TASM 2 was a major case of blue balls.
How so? Cap's team leads to the destruction of a city, the government wants them controlled, Cap agrees, then they're sent to kill Bucky. Cap says "nah", escapes ala TWS, but this time instead of him and Nat running off to the BBC, BBC and Scarlet Tits run to Giant Man.
It'll feel a lot like TWS, just instead of Cap+BW+Falcon vs Hydra Feat. Bucky it'll be Cap+Bucky+Falcon vs SHIELD Feat. Iron Man and co.
Just TWS 2.0, more heroes. I highly doubt any of the non-Cap characters will have any decent developments in the movie.
I kinda like it. It makes more hyped on which direction they'll do with the costume. I'm expecting this.
You're expecting the regular costume?
Also, webpits or nothing
Panther will probably be shown as a political figure, then he'll actually become Black Panther in time to join Tony's team.
Tony'll just be a smug ass until someone dies and calls the whole thing off, saying its his fault, and the media praising him for his humility
Unless Vision and Wanda get together, I dont see anything outside of an explanation for their powers
As for Spidey, I really think people are blowing his role out of proportion. We'll get a fly by of him in his junk costume, Tony recruiting him, and him in his new suit vs Cap in the final team fight. That'll be it, really. Aunt May will probably be over the phone, or as a "you forgot your lunch!" thing.
You're not getting what I'm saying. If there was less stuff in the film, maybe it would have been a more balanced product. But so much of the time felt like there were billboards promoting the next product. (Kind of like how Marvel events always hint at the next event)
Less stuff wouldn't mean the shit stuff would go away.
I surprisingly didn't mind the Nat and Bruce scene. I enjoyed the Hawkeye stuff and Tony/Steve banter.
Did those scenes really seem that slow to you? It seems like movies these days are getting faster and faster that I can't even understand what's happening most of the time.
Dude, RDJ, Hemsworth, Evens and probably more actors' contracts expire at Infinity Wars. They can't just do these films indefinitely and changing the cast would probably make people more unsatisfied.
They have to do this film now cause it's the last time Iron Man and Cap will get to fight, because it's unlikely they will survive Infinity Wars.
>because it doesn't feel ANYTHING like a Captain America movie
I think it'll be a Cap movie in that it'll follow his perspective/re-building his relationship with Bucky more so than it'll follow Tony or anyone else.
We thought the same thing with Quicksilver's too.
Let's face facts, Evens said he wanted to quit acting soon. If that's the case, why would he sign up for more Captain America films, a character that people for some reason are tittering on edge to die so Bucky can replace him?
Just remember, these people can lie.
I liked the farmhouse scene because it shows that Hawkeye is human as fuck and that's what makes him an endearing Avenger. People talk about Batman's humanity being what makes him such a good leader on the Justice League - that he has to work twice as hard as everyone else to keep pace with gods, geniuses, and titans. I feel like Hawkeye is somewhat like that, but with no major fan following to back it up.
Obviously, MCU-wise, he's a trained government agent, which is the same as Widow, so he's no scrub. But I liked the farmhouse scene because while every Avenger is talented and powerful but carries some form of baggage, Hawkeye is just a hard-working guy with a family he wants to protect.
his apartment was still pretty crummy and back when the film was made apartment prices in Manhattan weren't that ridiculous as they are now.
plus he lived in a crummy manhattan apartment in the comics too so im not sure what the russo bros are talking about here
>and the media praising him for his humility
goddamnit it's gonna happen
Guarantee you right now:
Cap dies in Civil War
>Tony decides to step away from hero work
>Infinity Wars Part 1: Iron Man returns at the climax to help the new Avengers
>Infinity Wars Part 2:
Tony gets the gauntlet and brings back Cap to life to lead the final charge against Thanos
>everyone applauds furiously
My body is ready.
>>Infinity Wars Part 1: Iron Man returns at the climax to help the new Avengers
Assuming he doesn't have it already, would he finally get the Bleeding Edge armor or was that already confirmed in Civil War?
My theory is, by that point, Disney manages to acquire rights to F4, Doom is done right, and then they become the flagship franchise for the MCU.
And I hate the Fantastic Four, but if GotG and Ant-Man proved anything, it's that Disney can put asses in seats.
Possible, but what I see is some scene where some device is going to explode and take out the entire universe, and Tony, Steve and Thor pull a Spock and deactivate it, but end up killing themselves, and they are wiped away by a white light.
Not gonna say that it'll happen exactly like that, but I can definitely see the big three dying in a heroic sacrifice at the end of Infinity Wars.
>Doom is done right
Oh yes. I can't wait for him to be a one-dimensional butt of every joke that's defeated in pathetic fashion.
>tfw they'll never get Dr.Doom right
I just want a Books of Doom adaptation. He can work solo because they'll just retool him as something less relevant to Fantastic Four and something tieing with Doctor Strange.
Let me dream anon ;__;
In all likelihood, it'll be this >>78816317 which is good in a way, because Spidey has a really good cast of villains. And I kinda want to see a live-action Mysterio for once.
Joss was following the arc from the comics where Pietro fucked off with Crystal, much to the relief of cheeky Uncle Chthon.
Avengers disbanded at end of movie.
That frees up Wanda to team up with Strange and train away from Earth, and Vision to leave Earth, and Panther to do his solo adventure, and also Ant-Man & Wasp.
After Cap dies they go their separate ways. Cap's team are forced into retirement.
Vision leaves Earth to investigate cosmic matters.
Scarlet Witch lives with Hawkeye but then meets up with Strange. He trains her the mystic arts and witchcraft in the Dark Dimension.
Thor, Hulk, Vision, Scarlet Witch, and Doctor Strange will all be traversing the universe in lead-up/IWPt1 leaving Earth with weaker protection.
T'Challa has his own stuff to deal with. Wakanda may be attacked by Thanos while the big-shots are away.
Ant-Man and Wasp exploring multi-verse.
>“For us, we really are firm believers in stakes. We like movies with high highs and low lows and we just feel like you get a more well-rounded experience in that type of film. Now that we’re engaged in serialized storytelling, it starts with Winter Soldier and ends with the Infinity War movies. We feel it's very important that those four films, Civil War, and both Infinity War movies, have a very profound effect on the audience. I think a lot of shocking things are going to happen, which is really interesting because you haven't had this kind of... maybe other than Harry Potter, I guess you can count the Bond series… but the kind of investment over a period of time with this many characters behaving in a universe. I think our job is to send you on a very profound experience between now and 2019 and it starts with Civil War. I don't know if people will be prepared for what this movie is going to include.”
Jesus don't. It's silly people in silly outfits fighting more silly people in sillier outfits, in a blockbuster Disney production where the good guy beats the bad guy in the end. It's not going to have a profound effect on me, it's just entertainment cinema.
On that note it feels like the higher ups have made talking about "stakes" mandatory, I remember every other interview before AoU had people raving about how high the stakes were this time around.
>I've literally never read a Spider-Man comic and I'm announcing it for all of /co/ to see
Where do you think he spent a good chunk of his publication history? It's fairly reasonable to think that they'd make him a kid in high school.
You probably want a grimdark Man of Spider movie.
I'd like the waldoes for civil war, but it'd be weird for him to have them in his first solo movie.
Maybe have it that either Toney hit the skillswitch, or Peter dismantled the suit and sold the parts seperateley for cash since he wouldn't be able to afford maintaining/repairing it
although for the sake of synergy I could see them having him hanging onto the suit 'just in case' and in the third movie he upgrades it to the tech suit in current ASM
>I've literally never read a Spider-Man comic and I'm announcing it for all of /co/ to see
in stan lee's run he was in college already like few issues in
highschool shit is overdone do death, fuk u
I'm going in with the expectation that it'll be akin to Quicksilver in Days of Future Past, only in it for a bit but it'll be 'his' bit and very fucking cool.
and people say it's a good spidey suit, lmfao
for some reason it gets a pass, but raimi's one... no, it gets shredded to pieces for the exact same stuff
raimi's spidey > webb's one anyway, and tobey's suit was better
>raimi's spidey > webb's one anyway, and tobey's suit was better
You're entitled to your opinion about the suit. I just think the Rami one looks to fake.
But the fact that you prefer whiny bitch Spider-Man shows you're a faggot.
No hard feelings anon.
>A good chunk of his publication history
>Is only in high school for 29 issues, including his first appearance
Even if you were to count the various limited series and supporting flashback books that showed him in high school - heck, throw in Ultimate and MA as well if you want - they still don't constitute "a good chunk" of 53 years. Try harder, casual.
Except it wasn't. raimi's spidey mask was atrocious, as were it's eyes. You're either a nostalgia fag, a raimi dick rider, or blind. Maybe all three. Of all the problems ASM2 had, the suit was not one of them.
I prefer mechanical webshooters, but I also like how they did it in the comics were he gets organic spinnerets, stronger spider sense, better stick-em powers etc after dsying and being brought back by The Other.
It creates the idea that every time he cheats death that way he becomes permanently more spider-like and will probably end up pic-related 24/7 if he gets careless
asm's eyes are too big and clearly inspired from ultimate
all these fags bringing up inaccurate "you've never read a spidey comic" are probably to referring to yet ultimate again, which is a reimagining of original idea, it is true in ultimate he spends in highschool a good amount of the whole run's publication history
the framing around eyes on both masks is not thick enough, but raimi's one is closer to the romita look which I think is the true timeless image of spidey
does this look like ultimate to you?
it is drawn by bagley, basically he popularized that "big eyed very slim spidey" look we know today
and that look he later brought to his ultimate run, which became popular and yet again popularized spidey as a slim highschooler first
mad ultimate fag detected