Anyone else get the feeling that Gwen Stacy shouldn't die any more? Her death was super shocking back when it first happened but now her death has basically become synonymous with her character and everyone expects it every time she shows up in an adaptation. What was once a hugely unexpected twist is now so expected that people become shocked when it doesn't happen. I'm starting to think that we should retire the "Gwen dies in everything" thing and come up with something new and exciting.
Yes. Gwen is a great character and much better for Peter than Mary Jane. (discounting of course Sins Past) They should bring her back and explore a scientist angle with her. And no clones.
Gwen doesn't die anymore though.
IDK. They shouldn't kill MJ off. She may be a whore, but I wouldn't want to throw her out altogether. Let her be a friend. Maybe date Eddie Brock or someone else in the Spidey world?
Maybe they should stop fucking rebooting Spiderman. Nobody wants to see Spiderman's fucking origin story again. Christ.
>Anyone else get the feeling that Gwen Stacy shouldn't die any more?
I suppose that technically I don't think she should die anymore, but that's mostly because I don't think she should be used at all.
Non-existence isn't exactly death
But I suppose that people nowadays mainly know Gwen from the Ultimate Universe, Spectacular, or the new movies. No one's read 616 Gwen
Isn't her dying like... ALL she has going for her? If she stays alive, what's the point?
It would be like... like if Uncle Ben lived. Spiderman wouldn't really... you know, be who he is.
It would be better, his uncle would teach him how not to be such a bitch. He would man the fuck up and accept that she passed on to a better place, Ben would be better at giving advice; man to man and all that. Father and son like moments.
When is the last time you fuckers had a nice chat with your father?
I don't know, fucker wasn't there when we needed him, used my social security number sometime while I was still in the 8th grade in middle school(even though I have never used a credit card beforre) for some goddamn loan that has ruined my credit and only found out about it very early in 2015, didn't pay child support all of these years meaning my mother had(and still does) to work tirelessly for her two sons, and some other shit I rather not get into.
This show was never going to have any really big impact in the fandom because it was 100% character-focused and had basically zero plot beyond the Nuke stuff, and there's literally nothing that turns nerd fandoms off more then something that's primarily character-focused.
>inb4 lying faggot
There is no cape show or movie that isn't accused of being FILLER or SOAP OPERA BULLSHIT when it isn't plot-driven. Jessica Jones was all about character and nothing else, which is basically like rubbing your series in exposed plutonium.
People were accusing the whiners of sexism when it was really something way simpler. Nerd fanbases lose their minds over something not being driven by either plot or lore, which is why so many people turned on JJ outside of the Nuke plotline.
From now to the end of time, Spider-Man will be rebooted once every few years, and this sequence will always be followed:
- Peter Parker gains his spider powers.
- Uncle Ben dies.
- Gwen Stacy dies.
- Mysterio declares himself gay for Spider-Man.
- Spider-Man unmasks.
- Spider-Man remasks.
- Peter and Mary Jane sacrifice their love to Satan so Aunt May lives.
- Aunt May dies of old age shortly after marrying Doctor Octopus.
- Doc Oc takes over Spider-Man's body and makes him fuck a midget.
- Peter Parker becomes half Spider-Man, half Asian, and starts a tech business.
- Peter Parker dies to his arch-enemy (a truck) while high on crack.
- Morales becomes the new Spider-Man.
- Morales delivers a weeks-old hamburger to Molecule Man at the end of all things.
Not in the slightest. I don't remember the exact quote, but in Howe's book Conway said Gwen NEEDED to die because just like Sue Storm, she represented Stan's fantasies about his wife, the perfect blonde girl. And unlike Sue, she couldn't be saved.
Spider-Gwen only works because the Gwen there has nothing in common with the original Gwen
I'm just paraphrasing what Conway told Howe. It's a shit summary I know, but he makes a valid point. Even Sue got personality under Stan, but Gwen had nothing. MJ was simply more interesting.
I loved her in ASM movie. She had a chemistry with Peter Parker. It was cute and I wished I was 10 years younger, back at the highschool with my crush....
I had so much hope for ASM2 and ASM3. I knew she'd die, I was hoping it'll be the saddest moment in the cape-movies. I wanted to cry watching it.
ASM2 happened and I was totally untouched by it. It wasn't bad-bad, it was just nothing.
God! I need to re-read Spider-Man: Blue
I half-expect future cartoons and shit to just turn her into Spider-Gwen instead of killing her off. Then slowly it will become the norm instead of killing her off. In 20 years, "did you know Gwen Stacy was dead for half a century?" will end up on lists of weird comic facts.
>Anyone else get the feeling that Bruce Wayne's parents shouldn't die any more? Their death was super shocking back when it first happened but now their death has basically become synonymous with their character and everyone expects it every time they show up in an adaptation. What was once a hugely unexpected twist is now so expected that people become shocked when it doesn't happen. I'm starting to think that we should retire the "Bruce Wayne's parents die in everything" thing and come up with something new and exciting.
>Anyone else get the feeling that uncle Ben shouldn't die any more? His death was super shocking back when it first happened but now his death has basically become synonymous with his character and everyone expects it every time he shows up in an adaptation. What was once a hugely unexpected twist is now so expected that people become shocked when it doesn't happen. I'm starting to think that we should retire the "uncle Ben in everything" thing and come up with something new and exciting.
We could do this all day OP.
She has to fucking die every time like if it is the whole fucking point about her or Marvel will resuscitate her, and I'm not talking about clone Gwen, Spider Gwen or Ultimate Carnage Gwen, I'm talking about te real one.
>B-but literally everyone died and come back to life in the Marvel universe, why can't we have her back?
She has to stay dead because her death was a great, defining page of the story of Spiderman, and undoing it would be an error, like has been an error bringing back Kraven, Harry Osborn and Aunt May, characters whose meaningful death has been taken away in exchange for a worthless existence
>It's a HUGE event in Peter's journey into becoming an adult and a responsible hero. He fucks up super hard and kills his girlfriend.
>It's a HUGE event in Peter's journey into becoming an adult and a responsible hero. He fucks up super hard and his uncle is killed.
>It's a HUGE event in Peter's journey into becoming an adult and a responsible hero. He fucks up super hard and Betty Brant's brother is killed, causing a rift in their relationship.
>It's a HUGE event in Peter's journey into becoming an adult and a responsible hero. He fucks up super hard and Gwen's dad dies.
Wasn't he supposed to learn to be a responsible hero the moment that Uncle Ben died?
Gwen dying was a shock to any casuals who never touched source material. I was out camping a few years before ASM2 came to theatres and the people I was with where talking about how much they loved the "new" Gwen Stacey. And I ruined it for them