are they ruining animation?

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sexiest character?

Just watch anime OP. It's better than anything put out by the west.

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>>78794525
>boring stories about high school life
>literally no difference between each one put out
>better than anything put out by the west

>>78794844
Western animation is far too linear most of the time. Everything wants to move just because it can, even for no particular reason as that seems to be what animators are trained to have a taste for. Japanese animation techniques feel more varied and captivating, while I've seen virtually nothing produced by the west that catches my eye in the same way. Looney Tunes is the closest thing to animation that feels 'right' in the same way.

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It's a piece of cake!

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>>78794844
>all anime is moe SoL

It wasn't like this five years ago, every studio had a good enough chance to be a hit and win an oscar (maybe thats a stretch)

so what happened?

oh look it's you again

>>78794525
>>78794844
SHUT THE FUCK UP KIDS OR SO HELP ME I'M TURNING THIS CAR AROUND

>>78793506
>ruin-"ing" animation

They ruined it a loooong time ago.

>>78793506
Are you REPOSTING THE SAME FUCKING THING ALL OVER AGAIN LIKE A FUCKING AUTIST

>>78794939
go away weeb

>>78793506
Not really. You only watching big studio releases gives you a false sense opf what animation is.

>>78795894
Of course it's a stretch, Animated Oscars have only been going for 15 years and Disney won most of them.
Anyway
>Oscars
>being a sign of quality

>>78793506
Yes.
His thumbs are on the wrong sides.

>>78796869
it was starting to get better for a while

>>78794939

So essentially you're trying to justify shitty stills and cheap animation.

>>78794844
>Implying Mecha isn't a thing
/m/'s gonna be pissed

>>78797979
Animation in anime is basically very streamlined cinematic realism. In a live action movie, a character who's still and not doing anything would at least have some minute movements like swaying, breathing and shifting weight, but those are eliminated in anime because they take up valuable production time without adding much. Theatrical, Disney-like movement is also out of the question, not just because it's expensive but because it doesn't fit.

When you get used to it, your brain interprets it not as a lack of animation but as a lack of motion. They are standing or sitting still, like people normally would, and that's why they are not moving. By changing camera angles and inserting bits of animation at the right times, the scene can be made to look more dynamic than it technically is.

In Disney and Disney-derived animation, the whole focus is on the "performance" of the characters, like you were watching a stage show. This is very different from the cinematic approach of anime. Character movement is more realistic, and not the sole focus. A well-composed shot could be used instead for example.

>>78798199
>if an animation style doesn't cater to my personal preferences it's bad

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>>78795543
I wish, it better that every seasonal shonen that make people nuts

i blame disney for the mind set that animation is only a children's medium for entertainment

>>78793506
No, They are making some of the very best stuff lately.

Gravity Falls
Wreck it Ralph
Big Hero Six
Inside Out

You can't ruin something that belongs to you

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>>78799156
No, They are making some of the very best stuff lately.
>Big Hero Six

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>>78799210
inb4
>but I didn't like it ;_;

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>>78793506
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiEXgpp37No

>Disney makes all their artists give up any rights to creative license of anything they produce while employed at Disney - including personal work
.
>You couldn't draw a doodle on a napkin on your lunch break w/o Disney claiming ownership, and you can't pursue any creative endeavors on your own while employed with Disney.

>>78795543
>>78798035
>>78798759
the only good anime is one piece, and only because the creator was heavily influenced by disney's works

>>78799526
That's not uncommon. Most big software companies have the same policies. Shit sucks.

>>78794939
think about the adjective "animated". thats not what you're describing

>>78799210
I don't dislike Big Hero 6 but it felt like a pilot for a TV Show

>>78799667
It's literally slavery and should be illegal. I'm shocked it isn't.

>>78799526
>there are subhuman animals defending the idea that a company should own everything an employee does, even off the clock and not using company resources

This world is fucked. Conservatives are going to destroy everything.

>>78799156
>>78799210
>>78799243
but your see, every other animated film that year (except boxtrolls) was better and didn't get the recognition.

>>78799526
I'd go full Winston Smith and hide my sketchbook in the walls of my house for the entirety of my employment and never show it to anyone.

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>>78800312

>>78800214
Shut the fuck up, Lucas

>>78799526
and yet so many doodles, tests and unreleased content exists in our possessions

>>78800814
Explain this bizarre post.

the worst thing about diseny is their fanbase. not just on the internet but in really life also

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>>78800892

>>78800312
That's not an idea married to conservatism

>>78800892
People have been joking that George Lucas is salty at Disney because they've had more success with Star Wars than his prequels did.

>>78798035

Only mecha stuff we have right now is Gundam, fuck you. Everything else that hasn't been killed off is a Gundam-wannabe show.
>tfw we will never get a continuation of Shin Mazinger
>tfw we will never get Getter Robo Arc anime adaptation
>tfw we will never get a mecha anime in the vein of old hot-blooded Super Robot shows

It's sad to say but if Disney died (they'd take Pixar with them) animation would really fall off here.

>>78797379
>>78793506
Exactly

>>78801066
Yeah, it pretty much is. You can argue communism is a form of slavery but that's different since everyone is a slave to the government and theoretically they're all supposed to be "equal". Obviously that doesn't work out in practice, but at least the concept is something that a sane person might get behind. Conservatives are the only ones who idolize what amounts to a master-serf relationship.

They want feudalism. You work your ass off and if you're lucky the boss might allow you to scrape a living without fucking with you too much. If you get any big ideas like starting your own company with your own ideas in your free time, while you still keep your day job to not starve, then the boss will send goons to fuck you up. That is literally the social dynamic pushed by fucked up contracts like the one Disney uses. Conservatives are the ones who defend that evil shit.

>>78798199
Now explain to me why this is fine but in Family Guy, it's cheap and lazy

>>78801829
You haven't been lurking on /m/, have you?

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>inverted hands

I'm way triggered by this.

>>78799526
On one hand, this is interesting, on the other hand, Adam Ruins Everything feels so smug and hipstery I cant stand it. Cliff notes version?

>>78794844
>I don't watch anime

>>78807244
>Stuff was getting public domained all the time
>Mickey was about to be public domain in the late 90s
>Disney makes the public domain date stretch much further
>Nothing's become public domain since

>>78807243
and not by the fact his ears revolve around his head

>>78803485
what about dreamworks, lakia, warner brothers and universal

>>78807557
Oh yeah, Thanks. Though i knew that already

>>78793506
Not ruining but they defknetely have a monopoly on animated films.

>DreamWorks is slowly dying with flop after flop
>Illumination is milking Despicable Me for all its worth
>Laika is just there
And then there's WB who's pretty much are doing the same thing as Illumination but with LEGO and the occasional original mkvie .

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>>78799530
>the only good anime is one piece
>when the anime is notorious for being shitty compared to its manga counterpart

>>78801829
>No love for SDF Macross
well la di fucking da

>>78807177
You and many people think that animation is just smooth movement, while you forget timing, acting, and cinematography. Smooth animation is a function of larger budgets and/or long development, not skill. While Japanese animators drew inspiration from film and produced cinematic sequences, western cartoons stayed in the stage setup except in major films.

>>78813864
>character design
The more detailed the design is, the harder it is to animate and the better it looks. Anime emphasizes detailed designs, i.e. detailed drawings, while American animation does not (stuff like Steven Universe is as dead simple as it gets). With detailed designs you also have to take into account the physicality of the clothes, so that they appear to be physical objects separate from the character and move realistically. As opposed to just being painted on. Detailed hair of course also poses its challenges.

>animation
Some things are a lot harder to animate than others. A basic walk cycle is easy compared to complex fight choreography or dancing (and even walking can be difficult if you get creative with the camera work). Effects animation like debris, explosions and smoke can also be very difficult, as can anatomically detailed animation (e.g. https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/4283/ ). With movement you also have to consider (depending on the animation style, anyway), realistic weight and momentum and energy transfer.

>camera work
What we see again and again in American animation is stage or theatre-like animation where the characters just move left and right on the screen. This is rather easy (and really boring) compared to odd camera angles, rapid changes in angles, low angles, foreshortening, three-dimensional camera movement (with or without animated scenery), and characters moving through the scene in a three-dimensional way.

>>78793506
http://wavemotioncannon.com/2016/01/08/why-over-sixty-years-of-animation-history-still-remains-obscure/

>>78799526
I am so stuck in watching the Adam ruins series. I forever enter the endless loop. thanks anon.

>>78793506

Disney earned its reputation as the greatest animation studio in the world. You can't deny that movies like Fantasia and Beauty and the Beast are masterpieces.

The only thing they're killing is any possible competition in American animation, Bakshi has been reduced to making a short funded by kickstarter.

Europe gives 0 fucks, they'll put out stuff like Waltz with Basher, Song of the Sea, The Illusionist, etc. Japan also gives 0 fucks.