Would you sack your editors if they fucked up this bad?
I mean how do you even fuck up THAT bad?
You know it has fuck all to do with Pakistan and how lazy writing/editing this is.
How do you NOT know Pakistanian isn't a language? That's like not knowing the seven seas or the oceans by name and location. This is literally grade level shit.
And let's go out on a limb and you don't know. Google literally idiot proofed life for everyone.
>That's like not knowing the seven seas or the oceans by name and location.
No one remembers shit like that except for autists. 90% of primary school learning is forgotten a week after it's learned.
>No one remembers shit like that except for autists
How about you don't restrict other to the limitations of your own intelligence, mate.
>How do you NOT know Pakistanian isn't a language?
I had no fucking idea what it was until this became a controversy. I probably wouldn't have said Pakistanian, but I can see why somebody without thinking could say that. It's a lot like thinking people in Brazil speak Spanish because it's in Latin America, nstead of, you know, Portuguese. Or not knowing French is a primary language in a lot of African countries that used to be French colonies. And then there's places like Republic of Armenia where people in fact speak Armenian. It's confusing if you're not well versed in the subject, so it's an easy, stupid mistake to make.
And it's the the middle-east, it's ridiculous how many different languages can be spoken in one nation alone. Look at Iran in wikipedia, it has like thirteen different languages spoken within its borders where in Iraq it's primarily Kurdish and Arabic.
>it's ridiculous how many different languages can be spoken in one nation alone
and yet and YET, they still managed to miss the broad side of a barn with a bloody rocket launcher.
Well it is pretty stupid thing to make into a controversy. "Oh no, an editor was dumb enough to think Pakistanian is a language! OUTRAGE!"
I mean fucking really, this is something worthy enough to get news coverage?
But nowadays if you're not sure on something you can just google it.
>People complaining about something this miniscule
>It's an annual for DC Comics
>For a book that isn't that great to begin with
I hope comicbooks go back to being for nerds again one day so this stops.
What people should be complaining about is Gwenpool, Marvel's shameless throat ramming because the Gwen variant covers weren't enough
>How do you NOT know Pakistanian isn't a language?
I gotta be honest, I never gave much thought to what language is typically used by Pakistanis. Language was always a weird thing for me.
Blew my mind when I realized the Hunchback of Notre Dame took place in France, where presumably people spoke French. But the characters were speaking in English.
This shit confused me and made me wonder if everyone just heard everything in their own language, because I was an admittedly stupid child.
>Google literally idiot proofed life for everyone.
This. This is exactly what the issue is. Google exists for shit you don't know. It's the lowest insult on western civilization that there are masses who can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds to google something, ESPECIALLY if you're a professional who is about to show an audience how smug, lazy, and ignorant you are.
None of these issues are a fucking research paper that you have to sink hours to pour over academic papers. This is all trivial facts that you have no excuse to be unable to look up on a search engine.
Because Marvel's thing was for the longest time being relatable, and there's nothing more comforting when you feel alienated in real life.
DC on the other hand has a really had time trying to be relatable and is much better at complete reality escape. The problem is that when Marvel starts banking, DC tries to follow suit and usually does it really hamfistedly and fucks it up royally. See: Wonder Woman working at Taco Bell.
Both have their strong suits, and in general when they try to chase the trends of the other due to a temporary boost in popularity they end up looking ridiculous.
>I had no fucking idea what it was until this became a controversy.
The difference here is that you are not being paid to spend your days fact checking that sort of thing before it goes to print.
When are Marvel and DC going to address the pertinent issue that was brought up today about the tendency of New York blacks to come to Maine to sell drugs and knock up white teenage girls?
I can't tell if this is a real post or not. It's nothing like thinking people in Brazil speak Spanish because it's in Latin America, or how French is used colonially.It's not about an inherited language at all. It's a basic fact check that wasn't done.
Pakistan isn't in the middle east either, it's in south Asia.
>It's a basic fact check that wasn't done
I think it's pretty obvious that the fuck up is entirely due to the editor genuinely thinking for whatever reason that Pakistanian was a real language. You don't tend to fact check what you automatically assume to be common knowledge, and in this case it lead to a blunder.
> I hope comicbooks go back to being for nerds
Nah fuck that, comics should be for anyone that actually wants to read them. An entire medium of entertainment and art shouldn't be seen as the property of one subculture
But this person gets paid for it. They should be sacked. If your job is to fact check and you don't believe you need to fact check anymore then you've not learned your job well.
If a mechanic fucks up my POV I want that fucker sacked so other patrons don't have to get their engine shitted on either.
Holy shit fuck off that's not the editor's job at all, that's PROOFING's job.
Stop talking out of your ass you mongoloid.
Comic editors make sure stories adhere to continuity and future story plans, stay true to the spirit of the characters and they arange writer/artist teams for books. They also give input on story. Not saying they do any of what they're supposed to ata competent level but you sure a shit know absolutely nothing.
Protip: X-Men came about as a liberal agenda.
When Stan Lee's child died in a miscarriage, he and his wife tried to adopt babby.
He's a Jew, she's a Catholic, every orphanage refused them since almost all of the ones in New York at the time were religiously affiliated and some "scientists" at the time had published papers saying children from mixed religion homes tend towards poverty and atheism. One Rabbi specifically suggested to them that God killed their child to send America a message about religion mixing.
So Stan's wife had a cry, then Stan went to the Bullpen and told them to make a comic about stupid worthless pieces of shit hating awesome people for stupid reasons that don't make sense. He wanted a mix of all the people they could use, with diverse powers and backgrounds. Then he made the villain a Jewish holocaust survivor, to show that anyone can be a stupid bigot asshole.
Boom, X-Men was created.
I just want to hear Stephan King's reaction. King is like the only white guy who can get a pass for putting the word nigger into a book more times than the name of the protagonist, and according to his lifes work everything important happens in Maine. Hell, his kid is now writing about the universe revolving around Maine too.
Yeah, I think I've heard it mentionned on twitter. He caught one of the higher ups fucking his ex or something. Apparently the guy is a HR nightmare too. Gotten to the point that they have no women in the Superman office, since they can't fire him. That's some fucked up shit if true.
You do realize the primary purpose of a business is to make money, right? That making money and increasing in power is how in capitalistic societies we measure success?
That letting people know your actual sentiments is for failures and communists?
You're right, that may be an overreaction. He should at least be flogged in the streets. I bet he won't make assumptions after that.
What the fuck?
Man if this is true then why can't they just fire him and the dude he's blackmailing? I mean I don't understand how it could, if this is true, escalate to the point where you have to actively keep women away from the fuck so that he doesn't do anything to them? It has to be Harras,Lee, Didio or, god forbid, Johns because I really can't see who else it could be who has that much clout to protect someone like that.
It's not their job, it's an intern's job to look up what Pakistanis speak and proofing's job to catch something as retarded as "Pakistanian". Now if he never asked an intern for the gruntwork, that's one thing but this still falls on proofing's head.
Went to google to see if I could find some more info and one of the first suggestions is "eddie berganza indiscretions". Found this post by Alex de Campi:
>The main Wonder Woman comic is part of the Superman office. Now, the Superman office allegedly employs no women, and a cursory glance over the mastheads of several Superman titles and Wonder Woman seems to confirm that allegation. The reason, I’ve been told by several people who work or used to work at DC, is because one of the most senior editors is a sexual harasser with multiple incidents on his HR file. I don’t use “alleged” here because at least one incident (grabbing a woman’s breasts) happened publicly at a corporate social gathering with multiple witnesses. There was also something about sticking his tongue down an artist’s girlfriend’s throat when the artist was in the bathroom. Again, public gathering.
It has to be intentional. There is no way this passed through several layers of human oversight without someone looking up the official language of Pakistan. Fuck, Pakistan isn't even a hundred years old; how the fuck could you name a language after it? This is LITERALLY worse than if someone tried to claim Americans spoke Americanian.
Doesn't DC take place in like a dimension different from our earth? Maybe pakistanian is a language there. People whine about this shit when they could be whining about how stupid flying men in tights are.
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that if we took everyone bitching about the Pakistanian thing and asked them off the top of their head what language do they speak in Pakistan, only a handful at best would be able to get it right and the vast majority of those who got it wrong would be one hundred percent certain that they're correct.
Pakistan has two official languages Urdu and English.
Because the United States of America has been around both as a nation and as a name for hundreds of years longer than Pakistan. It's more reasonable to believe that a distinct language that could be named after the country of origin emerged from the USA than Pakistan given the time frame. It's LITERALLY worse.
>How do you NOT know Pakistanian isn't a language? That's like not knowing the seven seas or the oceans by name and location. This is literally grade level shit.
>giving a fuck about pakistan
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Is this the thread where the same eurotrash whose cartographic skills caused the ethnic shitstorm in the Muslim regions are lecturing Americans about not knowing geography?
At least the US never created countries out of random scribbles in a map.
Fuck you're right.
It's still infuriating you know? After reading >>78788550 I'm just surprised that there isn't more outrage over that particular editor especially since he's not even all that good at his job.
Look, not all people are that well averse on the subject of Pakistan and to err is human. It's just one of those muslim countries you see mentioned in the newspaper once in a blue moon that you never ever think about on a daily basis.
To be fair, it's this guys fucking job.
But really DC and Marvel editors are shit at their jobs.
We've known this, they can't fact check worth shit, don't know their own continuity, can't spellcheck, let art errors fall through the cracks.
But at the same time it's an American company, so they'd probably know about themselves to a minor degree, not to mention.
Arbitrary regional distinctions.
welcome to the world of media. Shit's been going on for ages in all other forms. I'll give a fun example and history lesson.
Billy Corgan of Smashing pumpkins wrote a song called Cherub rock, you've probably heard it.
Anybody who's into the music scene (or knows people into the music scene) knows those people who like a band one week, but once that band starts making money, suddenly instantly hate them calling them "sell outs".
Smashing pumpkins got a big break and were called to play at an event called Lollapalooza. Their old fans freaked the fuck out (think like 4 chan but in real life) calling them sell outs, corporate whores, etc.
So Billy wrote Cherub rock as a giant middle finger to all of them calling them insecure, attention seeking phonies and how he'd rather have money than their adoration.
People will always cling to what's popular. This is universal fact. Don't get caught up in "what it should be" Just enjoy what is there and find people who enjoy the same thing. And more importantly be fucking welcoming rather than doing your best to exclude.
another fun fact about smashing pumpkins. They were one of the first internet memes because they have the doom rocket launcher sound effect i their song "where boys fear to tread"
>Google literally idiot proofed life for everyone.
This I agree. I may not know all the languages in the world and what they are called, but if I'm an editor I know I gotta google that shit.
If no one gave a shit about Scott Allie, no one is going to give a shit about Berganza. And no one professional will say 'boo' because these days editors are the ultimate gate keeper for employment at a comic book company.
This post is complete and utter bullshit.
Stan Lee never was a practicing jew, Magneto was revealed as a survivor way after Lee stopped writing the X-Men.
Also there's way and way to write your ideology into a story, today's comics do it in a shitty, hamfisted and ignorant way.
fuck pakistan, they're terrorist supporting piles of human filth
And sometimes Europe apparently.
Or fuck if I know, apparently everything I know is wrong.
Is there an official list of Middle Eastern countries because I keep getting conflicting facts.
Like someone says Pakistan IS Middle East, some people say Turkey is, and apparently I've been lied to since I was 10 and Afghanistan isn't in the Middle East.
United Arab Emirates
Are you implying people getting up in arms about stupid mistakes in comics is NOT an incredibly nerdy thing to do? That this kind of stupidity wouldn't have been jumped on back in the day as much as today (differently toned, I'll admit)?
They're owned by Warner Brothers and Disney respectively. You can buy shares in their companies. They sell a product and make a profit in return. By any metric that actually matters, they're professional. They make a shitty product, but so do most big companies.
>15 years ago everyone would have laughed it off "Jeez what a bunch of idiots not knowing (x)"
>Now everyone rages for two weeks and turns it into MUH RACISM
It's kind of sad that instead of us making funny jokes and original content about this, it's just resulted in people bitching and whining some more about DC, as if we didn't have that enough already as it is.
>* ALL TRANSLATED FROM
> PAKISTANIAN --ED.
Because DC is sexist, racist, homophobic and anti Semitic. Don't you know that Didio and Lee are closet Nazis and are going to vote for Trump, as well as personally lay the bricks for Trump's wall.
DC's next event will be race wars, where they will get rid of coloured heroes.
>comic in English shows bad Spanish
>no one cares
>DC comic shows a misspelled word
>/co/ goes full company war
Presumably this was the writer's mistake and it slipped past the letterer and editor as well. This makes them pretty dumb but human error so whatever. What is amazing is that it would appear that comics are just shat out by Berganza's office and, despite him constantly producing terrible comics, nobody higher up seems to be quality checking them. This should have been caught by a higher level employee than Berganza. Does anybody at DC actually care about the comics they produce? Probably some do but the higher-ups obviously don't give a fuck. I bet they would have caught the mistake if somebody misspelt the name of a cereal brand tho'.
>people seriously defending this fuck up
As an editor you have a job. That job is to make sure your writer doesn't make any stupid mistakes. This is a stupid mistake. It doesn't matter what the mistake was(in this situation it was such a glorious fuck up that it became news), your job is to make sure it doesn't slip through the cracks. Whether its lack of continuity, incorrect in-universe names, misspellings, bad creative teams or even making up a language to generalize an entire nations communication
I don't think anybody is defending it as much as saying they could easily such a slip up happening by accident and that the outrage being overblown when this type of mistakes happen constantly
>That's like not knowing the seven seas or the oceans by name and location
I don't. I was always incredibly terrible at geography. It's amazing I don't get lost on the way to my bathroom to be honest.
This, Marvel makes these mistakes in almost every issue of every comic they put out but DC makes one TINY mistake maybe once a year and everyone jumps down their throat. It's unfair and unethical how people treat DC but that's what you get when you let the SJWs take over the industry. Comicgate when?
>I had no fucking idea what it was until this became a controversy.
I had no idea that Pakistan had people reading US comic books, let alone have internet access, until this thread.
I have no fucking idea what language they speak in Azerbaijan, but if I was getting paid to write a story about superheroes fighting in Azerbaijan I'd have the good sense to fucking google it. You may as well defend a bartender for making a Manhattan wrong because there are so many cocktails.
At least this was a small panel. There are worse. In the latest issue of Aquaman, there was Superman in his de-powered outfit using eyebeams, flying, lifting stuff.
That artist was even worse, he's not even reading or knowing what happening in the stories right now.
I hope it stays acceptable to be interested in nerd shit so comic book fans, weeaboos, and gamers don't get treated like pariahs at school
I was fucking afraid to admit I liked reading comics and playing final fantasy at my school because that shit was "for nerds," now kids can wear x-men or video game t-shirts without getting laughed at.
>>people pretending to give a shit about pakistan
Pakistan has a nuclear arsenal and a serious hate-on with India, which also has a nuclear arsenal.
So you better fucking believe people give a shit about pakistan
well, except the current administration, whose foreign policy has put me in form mind of the carter presidency.
is there something less manly than 'limp-wristed'?
>Google literally idiot proofed life for everyone.
I hate how correct this statement is.
>I would destroy that bastard and I'd live with the consequences.
This so much. I would fuck their life up so much (very easy to do thanks to modern technology) they'd probably get pissed off enough to try and kill me or something.
For real and the blackmailer is a dude who is sexual harassing people? Fuck that. The other thing about the whole situation is that OTHER people know about it too so why the fuck isn't anyone calling him out?
No, he got promoted for it. He's in charge of Superman's circle, which is why you will never see a female editor on those books. He's so terrible at his job and such a PR nightmare, that most people have assumed he's only staying there through blackmail.
>No, he got promoted for it.
He use to be Executive Editor at DC during Nu52 so no he actually got demoted presumably for his harrassment behavior.
>He's in charge of Superman's circle,
He was in charge of the Superman books during the Loeb-Casey-Kelly era up until the end of Infinite Crisis.
> which is why you will never see a female editor on those books
He had several female editors though they were mostly terrible and did shit like Gail Simone's Firestorm. I believe they got fired during the move to Burbank.
this mistake is really stupid, people. This isnt a company war thing, this is just a very unintelligent mistake. It makes comics look like an idiotic medium.
This is like writing "translated from Venezuelan"
Because it's the new thing casuals say to prove how much of a nerd they are.
Proper hardcore Marvel comic fans don't shit on DC at every opportunity. It's only the new casual ones that've never picked up a comic book in their lives but are huuuuuuuuuge nerds cos they looooooved Guardians of the Galaxy.
He's right. You're retarded if you think ignorance and incompetence is ever acceptable -- in this case, being so lazy and idiotic that you can't even use Google to look up something as basic as the name of the language used by a "shitskin" nation, which should already be common knowledge for anyone that's completed basic education. For that matter, it's one thing to not know anything about some shithole in central Africa completely lacking in history or culture like Burundi, but we're talking about Pakistan, a region with thousands more years of history, civilisation, and interaction with the world than any Western nation.
Pakistan was created in 1947. It's younger than the United States of America and alittle bit older than Israel. The entire reason it was created was because the Muslims in India wanted a Muslim dominated state and didn't want a pluralist multi-ethnic state where there was power sharing between religions. Hell much of its territory wasn't even part of the British Raj until the 20th Century.
I'm talking about the region, not the state; it's more convenient to refer to the historical region of Western India currently occupied by Pakistan as Pakistan, even though the state itself is very much a recent construct.
Isn't this also a mistake?
Who the fuck is Selena?
Ignorance and incompetence are the underpinnings of human nature. People make mistakes.
>You're retarded if you think
Marvel did the same shit at BP's and Storm's wedding when Kurt uttered "Lieberstesh"; a made up word.
Chinese, Japanese, it's all the same shit. They even had the Japanese military wearing PRC Maoist uniforms in a Psylocke comic.
DC literally could have stopped this from getting big by saying it was a fictional place like kahndaq, and that it's not pakistan but fictional pakistan with a different set of languages. Why does DC have such a terrible PR team? Also it's hilarious how this is only big because of 1 thread we had.
To be fair, not everything on the internet is reliable or true
I mean, I guess now when wikipedia is always the first result and thats fact checked pretty frequently theres really not an excuse, but still
>I probably wouldn't have said Pakistanian, but I can see why somebody without thinking could say that. It's a lot like thinking people in Brazil speak Spanish because it's in Latin America, nstead of, you know, Portuguese.
It's more equivalent to assuming that people in Brazil speak Brazilian because that's the name of the country and you don't really care.
>Or not knowing French is a primary language in a lot of African countries that used to be French colonies.
Or more like assuming people from Africa speak African.
Worst part is that Marvel does has worst editing but they must be enjoying this shit.
It's the popular one right now, that's it and the comics are pandering to them I guess even if they don't buy or read them aside from the few panels tumblr users post.
Also when Marvel makes mistakes like that a few of them get angry, Brevoort says something rude or snarky in his tumblr, the comic "news" websites and Gawker turn a blind eye then no one gives a shit.
DC doesn't have that benefit, they are not as popular, a lot of old SJW hate Didio, their PR team is awful, so DC gets shit on.
>a fictional place called pakistan that is like the real pakistan, but speaks pakistanian
do you realize how absolutely retarded that sounds? dc would be even in more hot water for cultural insensitivity if they deployed your argument.
I heard he has dirt on some of the other DC people.
But if people make enough stink for him to leave to the point that the WB is affected I can see him getting fired.
There's also Mantis having Geisha hair in her Knowhere Corps design and she's Vietnamese.
No offense but I'm a high school dropout NEET with zero job experience and I fucking know that Pakistanian isn't a goddamn language, just like fucking Mexican language doesn't exist either.
And if DIDN'T fucking knew that, going to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan and checking the "official languages" infobox takes like fucking 2 minutes, if I didn't know that.
This shit has no excuse.
>here's why Marvel's winning
>thing nobody but some small minority of retards from a terrorist nation cares about
Probably because he wasn't British like you, Ahmed.
No, this is the guy who was accused of sexual harassment by some idiot on the internet and of course no proof was ever offered because proof is anathema to crazy internet feminists who see rape around every corner.
It's an embarrassing mistake to be sure (since five seconds of google work would have avoided it), but somehow I don't think it matters a whole lot what pakis think about DC comics. They're not what you'd call a core market. The reasons for DC's death spiral lie elsewhere.
Its a sign telling motorists to be careful of idiots who move away from their fucking sand-box countries, where driving is as regulated as the Wild West, and just fucking walk out into the street into traffic, because, why not right?
ALAACKA ALLACKA GUESS I'LL CROSS THE STREET WITH A HERD OF SHEEP. DURKA DURKA WHAT ITS RUSH HOUR?? ALALLALLLALLAAAAAA HOW MANY GOAT I CAN FIT ON ONE MOPED!?!
That's equally stupid, but considering that they're color-swaps of each other, very, very slightly more understandable.
But still very stupid, especially considering how many Puerto Ricans live in New York.
>It's a lot like thinking people in Brazil speak Spanish because it's in Latin America, nstead of, you know, Portuguese.
This is the dumbest defense of anything I've ever seen.
If you think Brazilians speak Spanish, even if you don't know what they speak, you're retarded.
>but somehow I don't think it matters a whole lot what pakis think about DC comics. They're not what you'd call a core market.
No, but not only does it look bad if compared to a certain other company pushing a Pakistani-American hero, the fact that something this stupid was allowed to blow up into this giant maelstrom of DC-bashing is indicative of just how bad DC's PR department is these days.
So do Pakis have designated shitting streets too?
>bad DC's PR department is these days.
That happens when you fire everyone competent at messaging, public relations or able to engage on social media. DC's critics have a field day because there is no one officially there to counter them.
For all the crap about Breevort, at least he is there.
Fucking /co/ is better at marketing and messaging than the people DC's paying to do the job. I'll happily like DC books, but I've given up on the company doing things right, and just let myself be pleasantly surprised if it happens.
All I had to do to find out what language they speak is double click the word pakistan, select the option "google search this", and then read the side bar that popped up that said they speak fucking urdu. That literally took less than 3 seconds.
Please. Not even /co/ can save DC and it's terrible PR. I mean shit, the whole reason people care about this pakastanian bullshit is because of a thread that started on /co/. When we shit on DC, it's for fun and memes, but the clickbait fags who come here for articles take this shit seriously.