How's Your Webcomic? #229

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Here’s a short list of sites that any new webcomic artist or writer will find handy:

>*-Struggling to find that perfect FONT? Create your own using this link;
http://www.myscriptfont.com/

>*-Don’t forget to brush up on that ANATOMY:
http://artists.pixelovely.com/practice-tools/figure-drawing/
http://www.quickposes.com/pages/timed

>*-What’s a list without some reference STOCK IMAGES?
People: http://senshistock.deviantart.com/gallery/
Scenery: http://www.shutterstock.com/

>*-Here's a big fat compilation of CHARACTER DESIGN REFERENCE:
http://www.pinterest.com/characterdesigh/

>*-Finally, here are some links to get a rough WEBSITE started up:
Easy to use tumblr webcomic theme: https://www.tumblr.com/theme/39018
Do’s and Don’ts for starting a site: http://pastebin.com/kNR2W5mV (embed)

>*-Here’s the contact sheet if anyone wants to put information down, like their site and webcomic:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwfOSHXfrgvcf--PkPz9jXL6p5RqIsrYvXYwgQpgT3k/edit#

>*-We also got a SKYPE CHAT room going on,
To join the chat, seek out 'scribblehatch' or 'starlinemike' and they'll add you in.

>Wise words from John Cleese:
John Cleese on Creativity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qby0ed4aVpo [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>Invisible Ink:
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_1.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_2.pdf
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse456/07su/administrative/invisible_ink_part_3.pdf

>Paper Wings
http://chrisoatley.com/category/podcasts/
https://web.archive.org/web/20140625035030/http://paperwingspodcast.com/

>(NEW!) Fonts for your webcomic on Blambot:
http://www.blambot.com/

>Writing Resources:
http://www.cienciasecognicao.org/rotas/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Robert-McKee-Story.pdf

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>>78779821
nicely job, Firg

I made a comic

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>>78779923
Thanks. Had to re-level the images because 4chan was complaining identical images existed (they did, in fairness).

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Finally inked something.

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Reposting for new thread

Not exactly a web comic but I've decided to start an ongoing series in which I have no script or story in mind, and just draw what I feel I want to practice or what I want to see. It'll probably be a massive failure but hopefully I'll improve a little.

Also, would anyone be able to throw me a guide on scanning/editing images? They always seem way too big on screen and the colors keep getting messed up. Any help would be great.

http://kingzanziba.tumblr.com/

>>78779923
Do you hope to someday not draw like a 12 year old?

>>78780133
I usually just grab them from the archived version of the previous thread, but that isnt foolproof either

>>78780254
>Not Purrfect.

I still love it!

What are your guys' favorite font for dialogue?

I'm trying to pick a font thats comfy/cute but also readable, but I don't want to fuck up and then it's entirely unreadable.

>>78780908
No puns allowed bro.

But thank you!

>>78780919
cute ones are rarely unreadable.

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>>78780919
my font cute.

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>>78780663
shit I wish I had some drawings from when I was 12. Oldest ones I have are 13, and I don't have anything from pre-16 scanned. All I remember is I drew a lot of cruddy dinosaur and dragon heads in profile view with tsurime eyes, and a fuckton of superheroes that were all just marvel and power rangers mashed together
this is the closest I have to how shit it was back then.. though made later.

>>78781138
yes, your font a cute.

>>78781138
wouldnt call it cute, but it's somewhat readable. kinda small and scratchy.
your scorpion stinger is upside down. but it's a demon scorpion or whatever so it doesnt have to be realistic (and it's not), I just thought you'd wanna know next time if you wanna draw a real one

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>>78781138
>>78780919
Better one.

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>>78780919
handwritten forever

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And now we get to the dates part of the chapter in this WIP of the next page! Where the background characters get some time to shine!

And don't worry,according to Rule 34, Tyrone does get that blowjob.

>>78783081
confusion is funny.

Hi /co/ im working on a diesel punk flavoured sci fi comic, are there any tropes you think I should definitely avoid? Do you think that kind of genre can be popular at all?

>>78783403
huh.. diesel punk eh? not sure I know what that is
It makes me think that scifi's ubiquitous 'ohnoes environment' bullshit could actually be pretty appropriate for some kind of smoky polluted world of diesel running everything
for that matter that ought to happen in steampunk but it seems to conveniently ignore coal most of the time.

>>78783081
i normally hate your comic but the OOC joke made me laugh desu

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>>78783573
Dieselpunk is similar to steampunk but very dirty. Overalls instead of tophats. In a basic sense.

>>78783881
oh okay. i kinda always thought the two went together. top hats for some, overalls for their employees

>>78784060
Haha I'm sure they do, I was just trying to give a vague idea. Steampunk is typically associated with Victorian aesthetics, dieselpunk is more pulp aesthetics. Last Exile is an anime that shows a good example of dieselpunk.

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Just finished editing the latest page spread. Hope you guys like it!

http://www.beatwarriorcomic.com
http://www.kevfu2021.tumblr.com

>>78780350
Also thanks for the follow, dude. Following back. Like the line variation!

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The Sisters updated. Stuff happens, Fudgie the Whale is involved.

Usually the writer posts it here, but he's busy doing "real work". So I'll be around for a bit for art-questions and whatnot.

http://thesisters-comic.com
http://tapastic.com/series/The-Sisters

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>>78785004
Also, some anon wanted more pictures of "the hot goth chick", Orea, so here's a quick one from the sketchbook.

>>78784493
righto so it's not necessarily a different setting, just different areas. like how gotham city could be metropolis at night

>>78785035
I was that one.

Thank you.

>>78785035
aww yeah givin the fans what they want. always cool.

>>78785004
jesus, a NON-EMPTY beer. that is asstastic territory. all i can think is
>you made me bleed my own blood!
there's neat stuff here, like jam just modifying the question when there's no answer. and I have to admit, as much as beatrice's cliche attitude has me yelling at the screen, she sells it. I can see why she thinks this way.

>>78785222
Yeah. Different feelings but along the same lines. They get confused for eachother enough it doesn't matter too much.

The point is dirty diesel power and pollution play a big role in my comic as well as overall rounded and pulpy designs. And some other sci fi garbage like transhumanist concepts but uh... any webcomics with similar settings that reached an audience?

Any advice for an aspiring webcomic artist?

I've tried my hand at it once before but only made it ~60 pages in before I lost steam and got self conscious about the early art.

I'm hoping I can keep motivated to work on this but I'm anxious about pitfalls.

>>78785791
this kind of comic requires a ton more work than others, so I've never seen one really explore it all while not becoming slow, boring, or both. Do your best though!
wait, you already did? shit, dont worry about that. Just continue it.

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>>78785035
Aw thanks dewd. Doodled another little one for ya because I dig your constant workflow.

>>78785429
Thanks! Yeah, the struggle while drawing is to balance out her straight-out-of-a-movie attitude with real-world emotions. The usual solution is just contrast. She's out for blood, everyone else is just, yknow, people.

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>>78785320
Hells yeah. I might put together a little "The Sisters Sketchbook" of all the doodles that don't see the light of day. Fanservice, concept doodles, etc.

So if anyone wants to see anything in particular, lemme know and I'll add it to the list.

Here's some Erin and Connor. Because they were originally gonna be makin out in the first panel of this update, but Writer decided to just make it a callback to their first date.

>>78785870
Oh no, my original attempt at a comic was slice of lifey and was going to take a cliff dive of a twist but I never got to that part.

I have chapter 1 of my current comic thumbed and sketched out (40 pages I think?) But only e pages acually completed. Its no where near a state of 'ready to show the internet'.

Just looking for advice on getting it out there I guess. Finding an audience. The usual worries and questions.

>>78786018
any sammy, he's my favorite - i love jam and chel too. those wacky kids.

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>>78786421

Beach episode ready!

testing.

>>78786909
perfect shirt achieved

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She really wants to be the hero protagonist; this is how she feels people should see her.

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Finished another page!. I'm kinda pleased that I'm trying to draw backgrounds more this year.

>>78785004
Your art is really cool. You and the writer make a bang up team. Erin is me favorite.
>>78786909
That shirt is boss. I would buy that shirt in real life.
>>78787553
Ooh, did you change your rendering. It seems to suit the art more and it looks smoother.

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>>78787643
Nah, it's just zoomed in. I export at 800~ px wide, but the source document is 6000px. Big enough that I could probably turn most of the frames I draw into wallpapers relatively easily.

This is what the source image for that page presently looks like.

/co/ aspiring artist again/still with a different question. Pros amd cons of black and white/greyscale/full color? Do you think full colour (or at least toned) catches the eyes of readers better? Besides saving time, are there other benefits to black and white?

>>78787835
Well, a usually unmentioned benefit of grayscale is that if you decide to go back and color stuff, you've already got your values set up -- all you need to do is just add some color.

I went with mostly black and white because it's fastest and I felt it suited the comic's mood and themes best.

>>78787643
Aw, thanks!

>>78787835
Black n white isn't bad on its own, it's just a turn-off for "the average reader" whose used to everything in color. That being said, if you look at the mainstream chiaroscuro users like Mike Mignola or David Mazzuchelli or Klaus Janson, and aim to be like them, you oughta be fine.

I've found the best technique is just "Make everything that's supposed to be black, black, then keep adding black."

Plus, it's cheaper to print. But if printing isn't an issue, toss a single color on there.

The entire page can be that one color plus black, or it can be one character that's a single color. But something that simple is enough to make the "average reader" more likely to give your work a chance.

And with that, I'm taggin out. Still taking suggestions for The Sisters Sketchbook if you peeps still got em.

>>78788073
>>78787896
Hmmm, thanks for the input! I'm always wondering what works epbest for things, and I agree that mood should play a big part. I love the aesthetic you've got going, Firgof!

Currently, I've been doing mine in a sor of sepia soft shaded look, but its pretty time consuming and I cant help but wonder if a crisper toned looke (similar to what you've got going on actually) might look better.

In my first attempt at a comic it was full colour/shaded, but I don't think I'd ever do that again. You've got to admire artists like Sarah Ellerton who do just full on painted webcomics.

How do you deal with old pages or seeing improvement so drastic? I know the logical soution is to go 'wow I've improved so much' but worrying about consistacy is something I think a lot of new webcomic artists face (from what I've read and currently fear anyway).

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Another page ready to be published.

I'm genuinely upset that this isn't thread #2. The number should reset every year, dammit.

>>78783081
>Annabeth confirmed for boy
Well then, that would make me a homosexual, now wouldn't it?

>>78780254
Will her eye grow back?

>>78790415
Well, Annabeth doesn't even know what a blowjob is, and he's 15, so who knows.
>>78785953
>because I dig your constant workflow.
Aw, that makes me happy, coming from an artist like you.

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This page again. Still not finished colouring or messing about with words.

http://peaceoneers.tumblr.com/

>>78784664
Always good. Definitely like the halftone effect more than the spray can scatter you've used before.

>>78787643
Liking this, and even though they're fairly minimal the backgrounds do a great job of setting the scene.

>>78785004
That is one cosy page. Loving the colours and style.

>>78789821
Fuck me that's some vivid shit. Real bold art.

>>78793160
Hm. Two of those post numbers are mixed up.

I guess it's obvious which though, right?

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Finished this page!

Also I hope you anime watchers catch this simple renfrence.

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Posted the latest COMIXSCAPE at the tail-end of the previous thread so just doing a quick repost here!

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Rate my catapult /hyw/.

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>>78779923
That's a pretty cool lookin' sea monster
>>78780254
Glad to see this strip inked. Always gets a chuckle outta me.
>>78780919
I'm debating if I should make a font from my own writing sometime in the future. Already made fonts always felt like cheating to me.
>>78785004
I really like your style and your colors. How did you begin using color in your work? Did you read any specific books on color theory?
>>78794619
I really like the comical manga-esque feel this has.

How's everyone's day so far? I'm just moving the plot a bit further.

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Slow thread today.

Anyways, here's some fanart of The Sisters.

>>78792936
Nice try Dewd. Annabeth 100% confirmed boy.

I can't help but begin the year reflecting over how my reader numbers are pretty much on the exact same level as the start of last year. My audience grew nicely and steadily the first couple of years and it looked like I was on a path to full time employment. But eventually the growths just slowly stagnated even though I've kept working just as hard.

And meanwhile, during these years, I've watched new comics be created that just surpassed mine in popularity in no time and even become full time jobs for their creators, even though they're objectively none the better, and some even worse than mine.

So feeling a bit down here. Maybe it's time to start fresh with a new comic, maybe people's tastes have already changed enough since early 2010's that I my comic has run out of audience to grow into.

>>78797227
What's your comic? Don't abandon your comic. Try to finish it, and then start a new one.

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hello mr skelton

http://vigormortis.co.uk/

>>78797269
I won't post a link, it's "relatively" well known to the point that I don't want to be outed for posting on /co. But it's several years from reaching a point where I could reasonably end it in an honorable way, and I just don't know if I'm up for wasting that much time on not growing.

>>78797743
But how will your audience grow if you don't advertise it to people curious? Is posting on co really that taboo?

>>78787553
if you want people to think you're a godDESS maybe horns weren't the best choice babe

>>78788073
crabpots, i didn't realize you were taking suggestions for the sketchbook. i thought you were asking what people might want to see from the existing sketchbook
well anyway now that it's 11 hours later, more jam being jam is always a good time.

>>78790356
A) no it shouldn't. that would confuse archivists
2) it didn't do that at 2015, so

>>78790499
man she has spares

>>78795525
I can tell you used a reference! (or renfrence as you like to say)
While some of the pieces aren't parallel (mainly the two high posts) and the wheels and turncrank aren't evenly round shapes, this is really promising. Shows you can sit and get a machine right if you have one in front of you

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>>78796701
>monster praise detected
well that's worthy of a repost of a few weeks ago eh?

>>78797554
bitchin!! This comic is remaining cool and growing cooler
>>78797227
it's luck, man.
>>78797743
wait.. so you don't want your comic associated with /co/, but you're okay coming on here and griping to us? Well I'm glad we can do THAT for you at least.

>>78797743
Post the link, faggot.

>>78798386
Iunno about you but I have little interest in seeing this comicnow

>>78797743
i feel you but there's lots of pros who browse/post on 4chan, it's not really condemnable anymore. one of the guys who works on steven universe posted a screenshot from /sug/ on his tumblr a few days ago. rick and morty guy has been confirmed to come here, natasha allegri did for a while but stopped because people went too far and weirded her out.

but maybe i'm saying this because it's semi-impossible to hide that i post here at this point.

>>78798452
I wanna see it solely because the guy thinks he's "too good" for 4chan and I bet his comic really isn't too good for 4chan.

>>78798452
Same. I was actually interested in seeing it and reading through it. Maybe even become a fan of this anon's work. But no link=no deal.

>Captcha waterfalls

Keep crying us a river then bucko.

>>78798588
Steve Lieber, professional artist with many years in the industry for DC, Marvel and everything in-between, posts here regularly. Ask him on Twitter if he's ever posted on /co/.

>>78793160
>Liking this, and even though they're fairly minimal the backgrounds do a great job of setting the scene.
Thanks. Part of that was because of my poor eyesight. If I make the backgrounds too elaborate, I can't really see anything. I'm still learning but that certainly gave me some more confidence in how I do bgs now.

>>78798598
so you enjoy seeing things just so you can hate them?

>>78796745
Aw shit man, thanks!

>>78798923
shit. cataracts?

>>78799572
Where do you think we are?

Spoiler because mild NSFW

Streaming today while I work on the first appearance of Pyros, Goddess of Fire, Beauty, and Freedom's wardrobe. Will only be going for a few hours I think.

http://www.twitch_com/firgof

>>78799999
hell of a spoiler, mr quints

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>>78800050
Odd. Swear I attached that image.

Which /hyw/ character would you fuck?

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>>78802060
Someone once told me they wanna fug Jasper. Wouldn't be surprised if anyone would wanna screw Luellen.

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>>78800114
She's coming along nicely I think. Now it's time I think to work on my first ever honest-to-god background for this comic.

>>78797743
There is a known shitposter who complains about his comic and never posts a link.
Regulars in this thread will assume you're that person.

hey HYW, wondering if i can tap you guys for some advice? i've been trying to write my comic but i can't seem to come up with a decent plotline, it's like a severe case of writer's block. my true forte is drawing, it's what i've spent 11 years perfecting, so i'm great at character design, and i love writing dialogue and interaction between characters, but outside of that i'm unable to branch out.

should i look for someone to collab with? like find a writer and just work on drawing in the meantime? or should i keep trying to push something out?

>>78802240
fuck you jamil

>>78804195
writers and artists have an uneven demand, so if you want to work with a writer you'll have your pick of the litter, assuming you're any good.
The question is how well you think you can work with others on something like this. for some it's too personal and they can't accept others' vision as well. in the meantime keep trying to write, just relax and shut off your brain and let stuff happen. Last night I started imagining what it would be like if I had to suddenly write an original 80s fantasy film a la Legend, and what I would do.. and SO many ideas popped out. dialogue and everything

>>78804195
Normally I would trip over myself to volunteer my writing services but I've actually got multiple comic writing things already on my plate thanks in part to this thread!

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>>78804195

Wow, you just like me.

Except for the writing part. It took me year to make a comic book chapter.

i run into writing issues once in a while. right now my issue is sorting my massive piles of ideas for this storyline into a logical order... and being paranoid that after all this planning I'll leave out something vital that I wanted to do for a while

>>78804248
Yes? Is there a problem, anon?

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Page 5 for The New Prince!

>>78807223
floaty crowns cost extra

>>78807223
gay

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I love these 4 dorks.

Can't wait to get this remake stuff done.

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>>78798380
Cheers! We spent a while trying to get these guys' looks right.

SAVE THE THREAD

>>78809884
Is it illegal to want to fug Sarah?

>>78813565
Nah, She's like 450 years old.

>>78813718
Why does she become friends with a bunch of teenagers then?

>>78813796
Because it's a mix of they're easy to trick into fucking, she wants to feel young, and ataomically is stuck inside the body of a 17-18 year old.

To bad she's too ugly to have sex with any of them.

>>78813565
as soon as wanting shit becomes illegal it's time to bust out the guillotine

>>78813796
same reason the 40-something Miss Martian did. people age differently

.. though 450 is pretty extreme.

quick which one sounds cooler for an ultimate attack

"Hell Cannon" or "Widow Maker"?

>>78814680
the former. in fact i think i've used that before. good one
widow maker just sounds like a dangerous motorcycle or ski slope

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O boi, new page inked. This buffer is building nicely. Everyone looks so much cuter now tho. Damn these style changes.

>>78799648
No cataracts but I do have issues seeing color and stuff. Getting glasses is a pain because each eye needs a different type of lens and I can't even drive without glasses, which i guess is why I never learned how.

>>78814869
alright thanks

>>78814917
well by no means do you have to go into it but i'm alwayas interested in hearing about an eye problem I'm not familiar with.

>>78814917
>eye problems but won't get glasses
>can't drive
Sounds like you're just a lazy retard

>>78814917
It's always weird to see someone who uses the same font you do.

Or I do?

You know what I mean.

>>78815339
he's talking about a disorder that makes backgrounds blur together if they get too complicated. that sounds valid to me. my cataracts kept me from driving.. along with it hurting my feet and ankles and calves.. and also just hating it. and not fitting into cars easily. and also just hating it because overstimulation

>>78815786
>>78814917
Amazing. To the few sane brethren I have in these threads, what is it about webcomics that attracts these kinds of people? Is it because it looks easy? Or because it falls between a written medium and a visual one, inviting the worst of both?

Anybody use comic fury? I'm wondering how the "extra page" functionality works.

Was considering signing up for that "valentine's day sex drive" thing and I guess I'd use an "extra page" for it.

>>78815299
Yeah, it's really weird. I'm used to talking about it because every time I see an eye doctor, we talk about it in great detail.
>>78815339
Yeah, a few family members would agree with you, anon. Didn't stop me from traveling but whatever.
>>78815361
Yeah, I do. Letter-O-Matic is a pretty good font tho.
>>78816454
I just like making comics and I feel like I improve a lot more in my art when I make comics.

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>tfw you find out your sister secretly loves your comic and does fanart.

Aww

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>>78817330
And some angel

>>78816454
I've heard it said that van gogh's unique style resulted from stereoblindness. I personally feel that being stereoblind made me identify more with 2d art than 3d reality. When I first saw TV-console video games I thought of them as cartoons, mentally converting the NES sprites into cels with a lot more detail than they actually had. then I drew those characters and those were my headcanon designs.

>>78817107
talks with docs is a fun time
so i mean, wtf is the name of this disorder? it actually sounds like it might be more than one
>>78817330
awwwww. also, damn! not only is she good, she's good at mimicking a better version of your style. I'm glad you guys get to share this. My sister used to show some token interest in my art...

>>78817497
Yeah, you got a point there, I think I'll be taking some pointers from her art.

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Hey hey Ennui GO! hit 100 strips. I didn't want to make a big deal of it in the comic and more treat it as a matter of course.

Still, feeling pretty good about that.

http://ennuigo.smackjeeves.com/comics/

>>78817497
>so i mean, wtf is the name of this disorder? it actually sounds like it might be more than one
It is. One eye definitely has a form of Astigmatism where I've gotten different diagnoses from doctors throughout the years on what's wrong with the other. I got a birthmark on that one though and that's pretty cool. Sorry if I'm derailing the thread with my weird eye problems.

>>78817636
HEhehehehe

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>>78814917
Only a little sorry.

Dewd is our So Sorry.

I just realized.

>>78817682
you know, I think I've heard of this. Something about your contrast vision being fucked up by pigmentation in the iris... only I heard of it in relation to albinism/vitiligo, or siamese cats.. or something about rhodopsin deficiency.. fuck what was it? well anyway, you're doing a good job despite that handicap. Keep working hard. as that other anon said, your backgrounds really don't need any additional detail

>>78817863
gotta admit she came to mind.
>>78817894
nobody give him a magic pencil. actually even jack kirby got into trouble with a magic pencil, so maybe nobody should have those.

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>>78817894

Is today is "Talk shit about dewd" day.

Funny, It is same day as caturday

>>78818609
this is pretty mild compared to the usual actually

>>78818609
I didn't read the rest of the thread before I made my very honest observation about him.

He's an embarrassment. He won't take a hint. He won't learn.

He's taking up space.

>>78817894
>>78818609

Everyday is, even though I kinda like him and his work, kinda, sorta, I feel he gets a little too much attention, motivation, ass patting and defense from anons, swooning over him.

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>>78813045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDmjEejUmEU

Going to model this room in Sketchup I think - doesn't fit the scale or placement of people in th room.

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Working on layouts for the comic, so just quick scribbled out panel layouts.

>>78818609
calling attention to shitposting is still shitposting. especially when it's this mild. you're only going to stir the pot now

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>>78818911
Panel layouts are hard.

But basically, as Nancy and Petunia are gonna start their escape from the cave, Nancy is distracted by a big swampy bog in this cave that she just HAS to cannonball into. Nancy jumps in the bog, nasty swampy muck splashing Petunia.

Making comics is harder than they seem. Making sure the story flows well, knowing how to lay out panels, keeping characters IN character, etc.

>>78818858
He's our mascot! The little purple dragon thing of our herd of equines
>>78818911
nothin funnier than a nonstandard rescuee.

>>78817863
>>78817863
Y'know, her initial design had glasses too. Oh man, this is gave me 40 keks and that's wonderful.

>>78818975

>he's our mascot

Please... no... I was one of the early anons who cheered him on, its becoming rather annoying, repetitive, and ita becoming a vague sexual persona thing for The Dewd, now that his sis is in on it, its getting a lil weird.

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WIP of the next page!
Some Brenner development in the future maybe?

>>78817894
So sorry.
>>78818609
Oh boy a roast! Haven't had one of those in a while!
>>78818858
Yeah, I kinda think that soon sometimes, I mean there are other great comics here like the sisters and Kiwi day N.
>>78819129
>ita becoming a vague sexual persona thing for The Dewd, now that his sis is in on it, its getting a lil weird.
Sexual? like I masturbate to this stuff? pleas anon, I'm not letting this get to my head.
And my sis hardly even goes on here except for when I beg her to.

>>78819452
Oh darn! Acidentally put a speech tail in the wrong place, I will fix this.

>>78819452
truly*
and your* in the last panel
This guy gives me the solid yuks. his head is a funny shape and everything he says is solid hilairs. I hope I'm not supposed to remember who he is.. actually I forget why they're doing dates right now too.
Also Georgesora is great. these fucking expressions.

so in panel 9, is that meant to be Georgesora talking? because the arrow points down to weirdface man, who is now... somehow on fire?

>>78819513
>>78819476
oh nevermind you caught it

you know looking at that post, dewd DOES get a lot of attentch and a frequent mentch. i guess I can see that making one's bum clench as they sit on the bench. But dammit, there's a lot to say in each one, and he updates a lot. I don't think any kind of incorrect or unbalanced behavior is going on here, just the squeaky wheel getting grease. and a wrench.

>>78819513
Oh he's just brenner. He shows up some times.
I will fix up those typos.
his head has gotten pretty exagerated.
And they're doing the dates because George is looking for a stronger body to take control of, he hasn't fully explained his plans, but that's what he's getting at.

But yeah, It's 2 am, I'm watching anime on my TV at the same time, so it's time for me to go to bed.

As of right now, Dewd is 15 posts in this 148 post thread.

That is over 10%.

>>78820457
and one of them was him going to bed, so why are you still posting?
how many posts are bitching about dewd? or bitching about bitching about dewd?

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>>78820457

Seriously...?

We need a post limit for everyone? Are you a post officer? Do i need to count your posts?

>>78820665
according to >>78818803 there's a limited amount of space that can be taken up! we might run out of 4chan

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>>78818883
Much better.

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>>78821309
Oh shit right I keep forgetting. She's dark skinned.

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1/2
talking dragons or non talking dragons

y/n

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>>78822125
2/2

>>78822125
Broken scary english seems like a good inbetween.

>>78822125
>>78822202
I've missed you, Spaghetti-senpai

>>78822125
>>78822202
I can appreciate an old english font.

But that one, at that size, is too hard to read.

>>78819452
Oh hey, this one is actually funny. Now if only your art and grammar weren't that bad, you would have something to show people.

>>78820457
That about matches how many pages he can produce in a day.

>>78798588
Dunno man, I'm also a long-timer in these threads and love to join in on all the discussions, but I wouldn't want to out myself in case any of my comics ever hits it big in the future. I see posting on 4chan a bi like drawing fetish porn: if you do go public with it a lot of people will be ok with it, but a lot of people won't and it can even close employment doors to more vanilla gigs. I'd rather stay on the safe side and keep my name and comic link out of here.

>>78823800
My reason for keeping my comic well away from /co is only because as a longtimer I know very well that you do not want to build an audience from /co posters unless you're a deranged masochist who enjoys the abuse. Even comics that are initially loved will be turned on sooner or later.

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Hot off the drawing board, it's a new page!

What do you guys think?

>>78823831

I dunno man. It Hurts has a pretty consistent and dedicated /co/ fanbase, and the creator seems to enjoy it just fine.

Prequel and Poppy Opossum still seem to be generally liked as well. Those are the only really longstanding /co/ fandoms that i can think of, for works by authors that post on /co/.

The only webcomics /co/ really hates are by outrageous assholes, and those people never posted on /co/ anyway. /co/ is not that bad about its local authors.

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Have a taste of my incompetence
Yesterday I spent at least 6 hours redrawing the same page, and I still hate it.

>>78796701
Thanks, your characters have a really nice amount of dimension of them that makes me think of BONE's animals in a sense. Maybe there's a bigger Don Bluth influence though?

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Ive been working on this for about 5 years and im no where near complete, the characters have changed so much, and im trying so hard to broaden my style. its very hard. But im not done with this yet

>>78796701
i love the way that you draw, your characters have nice depth to them definitely not something im use to seeing everyday

>>78817330
Didn't read the text first and was like... That actually looks pretty good, woah dewd, you... improved?!!

Of course not.

>>78824895
I wish Dewd's sister had a webcomic and posted it in these threads. Her quality would cancel out Dewd's lack thereof.

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>>78823936
>/co/ is not that bad about its local authors.
I'm forced to disagree.

>>78825151
I've seen a West Tree thread that wasn't just people shitting on Dewd. We're nicer than some people give us credit for.

>>78825197
>>78825151
/co/ is pretty volatile tho. Last thread I've seen about KSBD they were bashing on it hard.

>>78823800
if you're really worried remember eevecca sugar drew ed, edd and eddy slash, posted it online, and still got a job at CN... her own show, even!

i think if you have the skill nonody will care too much - maybe in 2009 but not in 2015.

How many /HYW/ appeared on the catalog?

Dewd is one from what >>78825197 said here, then who else?

>>78826208
Will Draw For Food has had at least one thread.

>>78825053
She does have a webcomic.
It's called jello and pup.
But it updates so slowly.

>>78825197
I don't care how people here have been to Dewd.

I know plenty about how they've turned on me.

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two-page update! the next like 10 pages will be fighting. exciting!

>>78826972
shit are you kidding me

http://luckyhazard.the-comic.org/

With a new Chapter comes more motivation for me to update continuously. Also, the story will really start picking up in this chapter, too.
http://www.freakanimes.com/sugarandmemories/?comic=chapter-2

>>78779821

Only ppl who seem to have it together comic wise and have potential are, Jasper Gold (awesome art, but it feels like it might be a generic spaghetti western rip-off, he's going to have to think outside the box to break out of the monotony of western cowboy gunslinger stereotypes), Cold Fusion (some goofy humor, decent art, some damn good jokes, and consistency) and the guy who makes that frog knight comic (that guy, that guy has a future in comics, his story and characters fits the art, he stays away from memes, modern refs. and I genuinely feel he has some great originality which is always refreshing and interesting to read, it feels kinda out there, but not too far gone, just orbiting around a perfect mix), Dewd, (idk about him, anatomy and quality control 3/10, story no idea what is going on other than crazy face, Annabeth, sexual stuff, or randomness, the comic doesn't know what it is or what it wants to be, its just kind of a blob for the sake of being a blob.) Other comics I see here, smeh, so-so, Scandinavia Princess was an eye popper and a show stopper art wise and charcter wise, it felt like a Peter Pan rip-off though, but was too Disney-like too. That Nordic comic is interesting, but the art and lack of size, and quality at times gives me a headache trying to figure out what I am looking at, but the artist too has a lot of potential, but needs more quality control. Those are the ones with a lot of potential and that I see here regularly usually.

>>78828342
What about that other comic.

>>78828374

Comic or comics do you mean?

>>78828431
That other comic. Y'know.

>>78828342
>the guy who makes that frog knight comic
Space Pirate. Comic's called "the Green Knight".

>interesting, but the art and lack of size, and quality at times gives me a headache trying to figure out what I am looking at
Thanks for the feedback m8.
By lack of size, do you mean the resolution of the pages? I'm thinking of upping the size once I'm done with this chapter, but I'm not sure how big I should make the pages.

Also if you could be more specific about what you mean by "quality", I'd appreciate it.

>>78822125
>>78822202
talking but basic stuff. just like SMELLL.. MAAAN..
>>78822287
yeah like that

>>78823800
i've only gotten two kinds of attention to my comic: embarrassingly gross people I'd rather not be associated with, and 4chan

>>78828883
>Also if you could be more specific about what you mean by "quality", I'd appreciate it.
Not that anon but I pointed out other times that there is a values problem with the comic, the figures are hard to read against the background unless they're wearing bright colors.

The art itself is pretty good and I like the muted colors you choose, so you only need to work on your use of shadows and values to make things "pop". Have you read Framed Ink?

>>78823862
wahaha, they're so over the top. i love these two.

>>78824749
Looks cute, anon.

>>78824308
it's like, as you go along (assuming these are in order), it becomes more distinct and better-drawn, in terms of anatomy, but the style and facial proportioning get worse (or at least less to my liking)
just take a break

>>78829495
Ah, yeah, values is hard.
I haven't read Framed Ink, is it good?

>>78828883

That anon here, reolution wise I think you could polish it up a little more, I wish the pages were bigger so I could really enjoy the art and characters. Quality wise, I think you could make the art a little less scratchy looking and try to blend the elements a little better. The problem is, its so small atm, its hard to tell. It feels very raw too, as if you were half 2/3 into the artistic process finishing the page and then just decided to post it.

But, I would say make a bigger size image , and work on that, I think that might be where your problem lies atm, working on too small of a canvas is hindering your artistic abilities.

>>78829495

The values could be improved, but as a stand alone image, its still pretty damn good, I would implore you to focus on resizing your images and work on a larger canvas, that, I think is going to solve some of the problems right off the bat.

>>78825451
it's almost like there's more than one person

>>78828342
you left out the sisters
but worst of all you left out ME___

>>78828341
i just noticed that nameless pig has elephant toes. does that mean he can't jump? poor nameless pig.

>>78829608
They go clockwise from the top. The one on the left is the final. Bottom was an experiment since I ditched that drawing.

There are days where it's like I forgot half of what I learned, I end up redrawing the same hand 50 times, I check with mirrors, I change the pose, eventually I think it's good to ink and during the inking I realize it's terrible and I start over.

I even find that I screw up basic stuff like pressing too hard with the pencils while drawing. I'm also really forgetful and unfocused in general when it's that kind of period, I wonder if it's some sort of vitamin deficiency.

>>78830030
Yes.

/co/ is more than one person.

And the positive people never speak out as much as the negative ones.

Especially when we need your assurance that you're still around.

>>78828342
>Peter Pan rip-off
I actually wanted Fjordson to be MORE peterpanish but scandy said she wasn't goin in that direction.

>>78823936

Poppy I like, but its not updating and at times it caters to fetishes a little too much, but I like that too, which I am torn against, I would give it about 5, 6 to 7/10, leaning more towards a 5.5/10. Its pretty damn enjoyable, but there feels to be some influence from Animal Crossing that turns me off. I think if Morbi drew out the drama and action it could be really good, but the recent dragon fight didnt leave me very impressed, her pacing too, is hit and miss, more miss than hit. It feels its trying to be proggessive too, almost tumblr-like and that really turns me off too. Still like it alot though, but it gives me a bittersweet taste when I read the bits that turn me off. Morbi should focus on story and character progression and leave this weird pussy footing filler pahes alone, it gets repetitive and boring at times.

>>78830095
i think everyone gets worn out, the difference is you can apparently keep going. I learned a long time ago to stop
I think I was.. like 8. and someone bought me a sketchbook, and I got bored and stressed out and tired and just started filling every page with everything I could think of, just to obsessively fill up space. just like, I did a series of pages with just 'a circle.' 'a square.'
you gotta wait for the feeling to come to you

>>78828342
Oh, it's you again.

>>78830051

The Sisters seems enjoyable, but, the colors and sharp edges of the designs make it a little hard too look at for too long. Everything feels very flat and 2-dimensional, I think if the artist added some more softer curves and elements to offset the harsh, sharp edges it would really blossom nicely. I feel there is some tumblr influence with the main girl, which makes me cringe at times, there needs to more facial expression ranges too, and more action, drama, it feels like its a little stagnant at times, the character feel very stiff too, I think if the artist really began to think about capturing the illusion of motion in a still frame would really kick the some of the stiff elements too. Panela and scene vartion is great, but pacing is very slow and monotonous.

>>78829880
Yeah, that's my time management issues rearing their ugly head. Too much time not drawing makes me end up rushing everything to get it up "on time" (if I actually followed my schedule I'd spend about 14 hours per page after sketching, but I've been averaging 9.5 or something recently).

I work at four times the upload size, so I don't think that's my issue.

>>78828342
>story no idea what is going on other than crazy face, Annabeth, sexual stuff, or randomness, the comic doesn't know what it is or what it wants to be.

It's just a continuous story about kids who want to be heroes.

Slice of life (?) and action.

>>78830412
>tumblr influence
oh... opinion discarded

the character jam is literally a 14 year old girl, of course she reminds you of tumblr (a site populated by teenage girls.) also i realize now this is just your personal opinion not an objective standard so i'm not worried i wasn't mentioned. my comic wouldn't be your style. also i think it's like complaining about "filler" in western cartoons - action and drama need to be tempered with breathing room or else the reader would be exhausted.

>>78831765
eh I don't think that's the one he meant. Jam is antitumblr. it's the big mannish one who's tumblry.. erin i believe.
but youve gotta understand that's just because she's ginger. gingers are LIKE that. the sisters is one of the most real-feeling thing i've ever seen given its 00s-cartoon art style influence. They look like total caricatures of real people

now it's possibly tumblr is into all that rosy-elbows-and-nose shit because gingers briefly became an oppressed minority in their culture (i think england had to do with that) but that's the only connection. If you've listened to the writer and artist of this comic talk, they're like... total down home bros. real serious real-life-experience tough guys. and considering one of them is a faggoo that's pretty impress.

>>78823936
>Prequel and Poppy Opossum still seem to be generally liked as well
The Poppy threads became cesspools of furry fetishism, complaining about the comic and/or Morbi so Morbi stopped visiting the threads ages ago.

>>78826949
>I know plenty about how they've turned on me.
Huh? How have people on /co turned on you?

>>78825805
>i think if you have the skill nonody will care too much - maybe in 2009 but not in 2015.
Because the people in this world have just changed so much since 2009 and 2015 is such a special year, right?

What do you guys use to write your scripts/outlines?

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The first page of the test comic. So apparently Manga Studio's screentones look vastly different depending on how much zoomed or downscaled the image is. I will have to make sure it doesn't look like total shit, but that comes later, for now I want move on to another page at least for a bit.

How does one feel about nudity in a webcomic? Not in a sexualized, pron sense.

>>78833032

Fkin pro, keep it up.

>>78833051
This is the internet, people pretty much don't care.
It you think it fits your story and scene, go for it.

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Finished this page!

>>78832197
>Because the people in this world have just changed so much since 2009
yes
>and 2015 is such a special year, right?
no, it's been different basically since late 2010. so you're very late to the party

>>78833207
Evil Sora a cute.

>>78833051
I'm always disappointed if it's not included. At least for practical things like baths, there's no excuse not to
unless you're trying to make a bunch of ad money or something and you want to let the muslims win.
otherwise please try to be european. in terms of nudity that is, not in terms of.. y'know, attitude. fuck that.

>>78832197
Nobody cared before 2009.

No idea where you got that number. Artists have always drawn porn since the dawn of time, they always will.

>>78833587
The only reason I think it's worth doing is to keep the 'rating' PG or whatever it is. Personally I think it's insane that the human body would need to be censored when there's no sex involved, no matter the age you're targeting your work to. Even more ironic that violence is more accepted.

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Page 3 is slowly progressing. I'm hoping I'll have it done before Monday - that'll mean I have a page ready in advance and maybe will have Page 5 ready by next Monday - thus giving me a two page buffer.

>>78833857
yeah but the latter half of the last decade there were some worries about being associated with this or that. That's over now though

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Another WIP.

I decided to use marker and gray scales... I hope I don't regret this.

I want to draw a magical girl comic where it feels like Jam project's Okkusanman and Makka na Chikai is playing in continuous loop in the background...

>>78833051
Man, I would have had them all the time if I can get away with it, but since I also do porn there is probably not reason to...

>>78833932
exactly. the idea that images or written depictions of harmful things are harmful only works because people don't think about it at all. If they did, and still believed it, then logically they'd give up on existence as a failed experiment and try to kill everyone and everything. Or themselves or whatever. Because they're basically describing like one of those star trek episodes where anything you imagine becomes real and starts wreaking havoc. No wonder they try to destroy all imagination.. except the concept itself comes from their own imaginations running wild. makes you think. anyway we need to start hushing those people up the moment they start with their idiotness. they're just little kids pushing the boundaries and need a quick smack to shut them up

>>78834138
ooh that looks cool
>>78834138
>Man, I would have had them all the time if I can get away with it, but since I also do porn there is probably not reason to...
ugh that stratification pisses me off, but I see it all the time (blaster nation and rock cocks come to mind). that's business I guess. It happens in all kinds of shit, remember when even a splash of comedy was seen as unwelcome in action, or vice versa? Even now you cant have any kind of religiony references in something unless it's a straight up religious product.

>>78834114
I think you're projecting.

>>78834283
dude it's not like this is a science, it's just an impression people got. for a while. It was briefly awkward around 2005-2010 when the internet was a lot more recognized as having individual identities for websites. This is about the time 4chan was actually mentioned on the news as a terrorist organization. Basically the idiots in charge of things were just barely aware-enough to recognize a name, if not what it meant or what it was... Just enough to worry about professional associations. That's over now though, pretty solidly.

>>78834246

This anon gets it.

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>>78834246
Well, generally, I wanted to avoid needing to carry an "adult" label on my main comic projects, if I don't have to. Just being courteous to my host, mainly.

>>78832197
I forgot it's 2016 but yeah it is different - it used to be some secret taboo thing and now it's just whatever, who cares, etc. plus /co/ is a pretty tame blue board for the most part. even back in 09 people would say /co/ is love, nicest place on 4chan, etc.

>>78834355
I think that YOU got that impression because you were young and naive during 2005-10, and to a large extent you still are. But nothing's changed but you.

>>78834465
the realities of life do tend to catch up to us, though a lot of them are illusory and WILL go away if ignored

>>78834516
so you think there was never a time when it was important to avoid bad associations professionally? well i'd like to live in your head man because it sounds like things were great, instead of just now finally getting better
but either way that anon who thinks it's still a problem is incorrect

>>78834550
I think artist doodling lewd drawings was never a "bad association."

I think you were probably sexually insecure over it, but again, real artists and professionals never were.

You've slowly outgrown that phase, which is normal, but you still fail to see the larger picture.

>>78825451
I remember chatting with a somewhat "notorious" (in /co/ circles) artist about what he thought about the constant attacks and bitching he was getting on /co/.

He laughed and described all of 4chan as "profitless 12 year olds."

I think he had the right attitude.

>>78834138
>>78834465
You have no idea how I wish you would update your comic on a regular basis.

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Anon who told me to buy LED lights because they produce no heat: thanks. So many times I scolded myself on that stupid steel lamp I have in my round.

So this is page 19. The colors are awful as always because of the scanner.

I know it's shitty, but is it unacceptably shitty? Can I go on like this for a while until I get a new scanner?

I can't stand digital colors anymore, it's the most tedious thing in the universe and my computer is so slow.

>>78835041
Really? I find digital coloring quite pleasant. Perhaps the software you're using is the issue?

Regardless, looks pretty OK - it's certainly readable enough to post.

>>78835111
I'm so stupid slow at it. I don't 'close' my lines much so I have to outline all around the ink layer and then bucket fill it. And on top of being the most joyless drudgery, it also feels so sluggy, it might be my computer lagging with these huge files but I can't stand it.

If I paint in watercolor it's so much faster and I actually enjoy it. I might be able to output more (read = any) pages a week this way. The only thing that has put me off it is the weird rendering of the colors by my 11 year old scanner, panel 4 is mostly neutral colors and it looks like some '70s acid trip in the scan.

I might win an award for most inconsistent art style in a webcomic tho

>>78835041
What is robot grill's name again?

>>78835560
Trynn!

Speaking of names, should I make a cast page? Is that even useful?

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Elemental Sprites,.

>>78835693
Yes, cast pages are extremely useful.

>>78830412
>tumblr influences with the main girl.
Erin is getting pretty heavily played by a guy and she only really gets away with things because the only people in her life who scold her are Beatrice (who is a fuck-up) and Jam (who is super young). She's an alcoholic and she's kind of a bad person.

If you meant Beatrice, she's a stripper dating a bro-dude who makes a Ghost Adventures type show; and that's about all she has going for her. She's friends with a cop and a transwoman, but those are occupational hazards or from back in high school. She's also clearly fucked up on some level and it isn't portrayed as a good thing. Her narrative arc is how sort of shitty it is to be the one who told you so.

Jam's essentially a chav-nerd. She cusses a lot, she doesn't respect authorities (which would really just be Erin), and she's learned real quick that powers are more like a gun than a major fixer-upper ability. Which is sort of disillusioning. Her narrative for this arc is sort of realizing she can't rely on her family, and that's a hard hit for a young teen without a support network.

But I can see a lot of what you're saying. And yeah, it isn't for everyone. The pacing is a little slow, hazard of the first story arc; setting up the world so we can destroy it. But we've got to hit up a bit of slice of life in tone to make it work for the story. Sorry it doesn't vibe with you, anon.

>>78831829
>Real-feeling thing.
Thanks. We try, anon. It is nice you feel that way.
>Total down home bros. real serious real-life-experience tough guys.
I appreciate that.
>considering one of them is a faggoo that's pretty impress.
Accurate.

>>78832382
celtx. But that doesn't work for everyone. Depends on what format you like to script in.

>>78833051
Depends a lot on context, even when not sexualized. And if it is one-sided or not.

>>78835693
If you have a large cast, do so. I sure as shit know I need to make one for my stuff.

>>78836359
I love celtx. It's seriously so much better than formatting everything by hand in Word or any other word processing program. It's a shame that they make the desktop version so hard to find.

>>78836485
Anyone tried Trelby?

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>>78836454

>>78835693

Yes. Cast pages are crucial to dramatic webcomics with more than a few characters because people aren't reading your story in one sitting. It's easy to forget important things about characters, let alone minor things like character names. I use them when I go back to comics.

>>78836359

"Slow pacing" for a lot of people on /co/ just means that the comic, show, whatever, takes a strong interest in character, especially if there's scenes that aren't forwarding a plot, and is realistic - there's no ex-positional dumps about characters like an episode of Law and Order.

You're a writer, so one of your abnormalities - relative to normal people - is likely your interest in this kind of thing. Most people are only interested in other people of virtue and achievement, at best, and usually just those interesting people doing interesting things.

I've said it before, but I really like your comic specifically because it is realistic. (But I'm also abnormal.) If it were more invested in its action elements it'd just be another webcomic about magic and lore.

>>78834614
man it sounds like you're projecting now. I personally never restricted myself whatsoever (I mean past when I was a kid and I giggled if someone made a swear) but I also didnt share my art anywhere really. The beginning of my internet time i knew all things were accepted and there were no limits (About 2000-2005), but after that things changed a bit for a while. it's only just slowly gradually changing back

>>78835041
So glad my baseless advice could help! I know nothing about art tables, I just know a bit about LEDs

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Page 1 of Chapter 2 is up!

>>78835041
You're obviously pretty damn good at analog coloring.. I don't think this is shitty

>>78835261
You must paint really fast then. I don't bucket fill either - I just paint underneath my lines.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEC9dFSk9n0

>>78835780
neato! and different from your usual style.
though i would vary up hair length a bit more

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>>78836359
>She's an alcoholic and she's kind of a bad person.
huh, I never picked up on that. Actually I have trouble remembering anything she's done aside from fawning over clayface and fretting a bit (in an understandable way) over her family and friends. Of the three of them, she's the Larry IMO. Maaaaybe that says a lot about my mom that she just seems like a normal mom-sort.
there's a tranny in this? no wait, don't tell me. it's best if I don't know
and wow I majorly missed the point with Jam. I thought she was learning TO rely on her family.. since most characters with her personality are shoehorned into learning that lesson in most stories.

>>78835780
>making fire and earth masculine
>making air and water feminine
Why?

>>78838649
>complaining about masculinity/femininity of elements
Why.

>>78838340
I guess the link didn't post so here it it:
http://www.freakanimes.com/sugarandmemories/?comic=chapter-2-page-1

>>78838691
I'm not complaining, I'm asking because I'm interested in his reasons.

>>78838729
I'd assume because he wants fire and earth to be masculine and air and water to be feminine. Does there need to be a deeper reason or are you just genuinely lore-curious?

>>78838307
Since I'm a filthy hobo I bought a LED outdoors lamp, it's 30W (makes a ton of light) and I just place it into a drawer while I prop a plexi sheet over it. The paper doesn't bend and stuff, it's sweet.

Then I happened to burn myself while I leaned over the steel lamp I have in my room, after a little bit you could iron with it, go figure. Now my place is fully LED lit 'cause I got some bulbs on a sale. What a time to be in.

>>78838375
I think the digital colors looked a ton better, but at this point it's either my colors or my sanity.

>>78838382
Watercolor is really fast in general, to get many of the effects you have to charge stuff or make passes while it's still wet, and with the heating on at home you get a 10 second timeframe at most (unless you work really wet but that's not the case).

I color under the ink layer as well in MS, I can't really point out what is it that makes it so annoying because I have never painted digitally anywhere else, but drawing on an Intuos is sluggish and I can't get firm precise lines, I have to do lots of fixes and the longer I work the laggier it gets. End of the day it takes me longer to color than to pencil AND ink.

Also after an episode where I lost a day's work since MS decided to crash while saving and obliterated my file made me super anxious to handle large files.

>>78838483
Thanks anon!
Yeah, WDFF originally started as a daily gag strip for me, so the art was less important to me visually as it was as a medium to convey the writing.
As for this, not only is it a traditional drawing, but reflects closer to my style of drawing.

>>78838649
No reason really. I always felt like since fire and earth are more capable on inflicting pain, they'd be seen as more masculine, as opposed to water and air, which are more cooling and graceful, would be seen as feminine.
Honestly though, it wasn't a driving theme for me.

>>78838812
It's probably the document size. My GTX 970 can sometimes only barely keep up with the amount of layers and details I cram into my pages. Have you tried painting in something more light weight such as Krita?

>>78838877
Now that I think of it, I could do the colors in Krita or whatever, save them as a BMP and then paste them under the inks in MS. I'll give that a try.

>>78838642
>Alcoholic
It's a little subtle since her first appearance, but pretty much anytime there's alcohol involved she's drinking it or its been implied (by napkin rings or just empty bottles) that she's been drinking. Her family comments more than anyone else, but it's been noted.

She really hasn't gotten to do much else besides fawn over Connor; which is sort of intentionally; the guy is literally playing her because he knows what she needs to hear. Erin doesn't really get a chance to be herself in any dynamic way for an issue or two anyhow.Then she gets a bit of characterization that is...fitting. Original drafts had her a bit more active but less likable, and given she's being used by a shapeshifting murderer for his own gains, it felt kind of conflicting to make her mean and also hurt by the baddies beyond a reasonable amount. So her nature is kept more under the surface, and it will make a lot of sense when she does get her defining scene.

As for Jam, she's sort of falling out. Specifically with Beatrice. It was shown that Erin and Jam have a sort of maternal situation going on, but Jam's pretty independent anyway. Beatrice has some "cool vibes" implied, but Beatrice also made Jam kill something for some reason; and now she's sort of going nuts. Kid can rely on Sammy and Chel (who gets screentime here) but not really her family.

A big part of growing up is realizing most people can't be there for you, and a lot of the times they can't even be there for themselves. Because they're either too broken, or just malicious. At least that's the vibe Jam gets.

>Better I don't know.
Peebs isn't really hidden about it. Just sort of in a bad situation, and life isn't as good as it could be. She's got some complexity we ought to get to eventually; mostly with having dated Scott before fully coming out as trans; and the reason Peebs and her mom are on the Do Not Harm list Douglas has.

>>78839026
>napkin rings
I'm clueless and I searched the word on google, how do napkin rings hint at drinking?

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>>78839124
>napkin rings
There are two visible, one slightly hidden napkins with wine rings on them on Erin's side of the table. It isn't big, but it is there.

Later issue when Erin is trying to call Beatrice, Beatrice says "She's probably just drunk" to which Craig says "It's noon somewhere."

She's also drinking straight from the bottle of wine at the start of this issue we're doing now. She's an alcoholic, but she's functional. Lot of teachers I know are like that. Functional alcoholics who wine-out, wake-up, teach, and drink again.

But it isn't supposed to be a heavy plot point. There won't be any mea culpa "I drink too much" plot. Just a facet of her and the shit she does to cope with her life.

>>78839318
Holy shit that's some attention to detail.

>>78838804
It just struck me that it was very common to see those genders assigned to the elements and I realized that you could do a whole lot of worldbuilding with just the gender connotations of the elements.
(not to mention the very act of having elementals have gender implies a lot about the setting)

>>78838856
To be a bit contrarian, you could say that air and water are far more dangerous - Fire's usually safely controlled by humans, and the earth is pretty docile for the most part, but the wind and the seas are capable of great destruction and completely out of human control. The sea will switch from nicely giving you food to swallowing you up in the blink of an eye, and the wind will huff and puff and blow your house down if you let it.

>>78838649
Why not? that sounds right to me. the hard and damaging ones are manly.
the problem as I see it is the lion's share of the hair is on the girls. Theyre still feminine based on their bangs, and the fire one is still masculine with his sticky-uppy hair, but.. all that length in the back is misplaced.

>>78839477
>Fire's usually safely controlled by humans
Fire in urban environments is controllable, but if it's a fantasy settings with forests and whatnot, fire's really scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhJeDYQVtdQ

>>78839477
air and water are more patient. definitely ladystyles
then again earth takes a long-ass time to be worn down, so it's also feminine. mother earth and all that. i reckon i'd make it earth and air female, fire and water male. or just make them all ambiguous if theyre just sprites

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Hello, I am alive.
There is an update.

can be found at:
http://mostlylizard.com/

>>78839477
I can't disagree with that, however think of it like this.
Rub your hand up against rock, or even worse, fire. It's harmful, abrasive, painful.
Now lay your hand in the water, or let the wind brush past it, cooling, pleasant even.
I guess I'm basing my perspective on the texture of these things, as opposed to what they are capable of in nature.

>>78839550
Indeed. I always find it interesting doing comparative mythology and noting how all the magical things in England and Germany and so on live in the forests, having domain over plants, making flowers grow, using toadstools as their dance circles, etc... whereas in Japan nearly every critter has power over fire, even things you wouldn't expect to. Even their equivalent of elves are red-skinned and give people hotfoots. And of course they have tons of water monsters but that just comes from being islands.
In a shared setting I reckon Europe just has more forest-type mana and the volcanic islands have more fire type

>>78839606
unf

>>78839595
Depending on how you look at it it fits both genders
Stone and rocks vs. mother earth stuff and plants
Fire's destructive force vs. wild and full of energy
The sea's power, tsunamis etc. vs. water of life, little streams and rain
Storms are kinda unisex so that's it. And no it doesn't make sense to associate lightning with air anyway, unless you need to balance the elements in a Japanese RPG.

>>78839793
But lightning comes from the air, anon.

>>78839829
Have you ever seen Aang shoot bolts of lightning from his arse?

>>78839550
Yeah, but without humans around to start it it's a lot less of a threat than storms and such (depending on climate, of course).

>>78839595
>air and water
>more patient than ROCKS

And since when were women more patient, anyway? That idea says a lot about the setting, too.

>>78839637
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, I just thought I should do that whole "wait a second, can I do something interesting with this" thing.
Is there an in-universe reason the elementals are masculine and feminine?
Do they care about gender like humans?

>>78839967
Zeus and Thor aren't gods of Fire, Anon.

>>78840015
Definitely something to consider.

>>78839026
I read the whole comic a while back but I don't remember Peebs being trans - when was it mentioned/implied?

>>78840015
I'm not sure it's worth debating him. Obviously he feels TLA is superior to all forms of elemental arrangements.

He just wants to ignore that the -classical- element that thunder is associated to is Air because, of course, it comes from the Sky.

Ancient mystics and peasants weren't natural science philosophers - they called it as they saw it. Was there a giant void above full of stars? No, it was a smooth, black rock-face studded with diamonds which curved overhead in every direction. Does Lightning come from fire? No - it comes from the Air. It just leaves Fire in its wake.

If anything, they'd say "Fire comes from Lightning" if you go way far back.

>>78839606
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>>78839606
>You will never be an ambassador to friendly aliens who perform fun medical checkups on you

>>78840108
>I'm not sure it's worth debating him. Obviously he feels TLA is superior to all forms of elemental arrangements.
Damn you're taking me too seriously, the Aang thing was a joke and a Braveheart reference.

It makes sense to give lightning its own category or at least do what the ancients did and put it in a generic weather dominion.

Air powers have always been strictly wind-related everywhere I've seen them.

>>78839829
lightning always gets its own element with me, along with light and shadow and ice. I mean if anything FIRE comes from air, lightning comes from literally anything with atoms

>>78840108
>rock with diamonds in the sky
i want to hang out with the oldtimey people youre talking about because they sound like theyre smoking the gooood shit. Most of the ones I know think of the heavens as an expanse of air.

>>78840348
Trust me, you don't want to have a conversation with anyone lacking basic education.

>>78840348
Zoroastrians and ancient Iranians. They're about as far back as 'somewhat reliable accounts of what really ancient people thought' gets in my book [and even then this comes from religions that were somewhat constantly mutating so...]

Zoros thought that Ahura Mazda created light and that the Sun had shone in the middle of the Heaven before the evils of (I forgot that thing's name) came about; they believed the sky was made of rock crystal or shining metal.

(REALLY Ancient) Iranians believed the sun, moon, and stars were carved into a stone sky - later that was changed to be a 'transparent, crystal, sky' which was below the endless lights, the moon, and such and above the 'cloud sphere'.

They did their best - but they could only arrange their view of the world around what they could explain and what they knew.

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>>78840079
When she was introduced, Peebs mentions not getting as many hours. Beatrice makes a "snip snip" motion, to which Peebs gets frustrated.

When she shows up in the Consequences, she's wearing baggy clothes to prevent the obvious appearance of boobs and gets shut down by Martha and called "Percival" but she can introduce herself proper to Connor.

Same sort of situation in the Monster. Especially right at the end on Douglas's board where PBs is listed as several names, including Percival/Phoebe?/PB/Petal Baby (which is also on her desk at the strip club in the Long Night).

It isn't expressly given screen time; namely because it isn't a hugely important facet. Peebs is pretty rational about it, and the only person to give her any small degree of grief is Handsome Dan; but he works vice and is kind of a shitbird anyway. One of those things you try to wrap your head around in any group of friends.

But it is pretty obvious Peebs isn't out and proud, she's very much hiding who she is because life is hard enough and she's probably already dead inside so the little nagging of not being who you really are is just an itch rather than a fire.

It isn't supposed to be a big thing, or something that'll be done for "diversity credit." Peebs is going to go down a bad path eventually. And it'll have more to do with her own issues and views on how she fits into society than any issue society has actually placed upon her.

>>78840585
Angra Mainyu, right; that's what it was called. They had really metal names for stuff.

>>78840444
Yeah, what this anon says. What they thought is fascinating compared to what we think now - but you really wouldn't want to hang out with them. Neither were very friendly or courteous people, they kind of operated somewhat on mob mentality 24/7, and a lot of the knowledge you'd like to converse with them about was guarded jealously by the religions and the priest-kings and all that.

>>78840256
Never say never! At least for the fun medical checkups.

>>78840138
Not anymore!

>>78840585
Never heard this before, and I've heard a lot about their knowledge and its advancedness relative to their time (and to millennia later) that contradicts this.
>>78840444
>>78840695
well it's obvious your basic education has made you SO much more fun to talk to, especially on the subject of how stupid oldtimey people were

>>78840869
I've never even that meme before. I think it means "you are hot so please come to the place that i write in horizontal and vertical because that means I live there and you should come date me"

it's kind of a dumb meme
we should go retro Mahir and just say "any lady want come to sol system"

>>78840640
you are shitting me. no fucking way that's a dude.

>>78840640
You're telling me there are people who are so able to pass that they're working at strip clubs? I mean I know there's magic in this setting, but...

>>78840947
If you know a lot about that period of time, you'd also know that knowledge was anything but spread uniformly - even among members of the same society in the same region.

They made a lot of cool stuff, and some people had some very perceptive minds - but I'm talking about the popularly held beliefs and the stuff that was being upheld by the religions of the time - which was where MOST of the information that people learned not from their masters or family came from.

They weren't stupid - they were ill-educated and intentionally so. Knowledge was, even more than now, power back then.

>>78840947
Not stupid, just very unpleasant

>>78841087
That's my bloody point, you don't know what 'they thought' any better than I do, because it's not any one thing. And there are a lot better (or in this case just different) things that they thought at the time. And not just them, but also people below them in advancement.
but then you start spewing shit like that last line and I just don't even

>>78841095
>>78840444
where does this kind of thinking even come from? are you trying to brag? how would you know what it's like, or who I would enjoy talking to?

>>78840640
ohhh that makes sense! i'm so naive i thought the snipping motion was about her hair, i.e. dudes like long hair, and you cut yours short. i love this kind of storytelling you do where it's like real life - all these little obvious in hindsight details i may not catch or add up until way later. showing is so much better than telling.

>>78840640
>Peebs at the barbecue
I missed that completely. I mean those LEGS man. And wearing capri pants. If she's hiding being a he, she's not doing a very good job of it. I never once suspected, though I briefly wondered why a girl was named Percival. Though being so short and childlike I also never thought she was over 14ish, and thus didn't realize she was that stripper... who again has a perfect figure, so... yeah that whole conversation was very confusing. VERY confusing... and strange in a legal sense too.
No I'm afraid my headcanon is going to include a vagoo until shown otherwise.

>>78841228
>how would you know what it's like
I know what it's like because I did. Remember that all the cool mythical stuff is what we chose to filter out of those times.

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>>78840987
>>78841027
Honestly it depends on a lot of variables, and as someone associated with the acronym despite my disdain for it as an organization...you'd be surprised.

People with rounder faces, when on the appropriate hormones for a period of time; can really pass without too much issue. There's also a trick to concealing genitals which is very painful which involves sort of getting ones balls to go back up inside you, which leaves a scrotal sack and flaccid dick, which can be pretty easily fastened into an appropriate shape. Like, it isn't a lot of fun; but if you've been on the appropriate hormones and know what you're doing you can pass without too much going on. I only know about the up inside you thing being painful because I tried parkour a few weeks ago and spent part of the night on the ground in a park trying to pop one of my nads back out from inside me and into the sack. Not fun.

Plus the strip club circuit is always interesting, and some places are into that whole situation or treat it as a fetish. They aren't always able to pass that well, and Peebs is getting her hours cut more and more. I wouldn't write about it if I wasn't somewhat aware of the situation.

Of course it will all vary from person to person, and that's just sort of how it goes. Sometimes there are traits that you luck out getting because they work well when transitioning. Sometimes you don't have those. And you look not so passable or ugly. Sorta just life in that field.

Also forgot that the Scott thing was mentioned in the comics in a way; as Perry is short for Percival in my experience with the name. And a lot of times coming out trans can manifest earlier as something like, "Maybe I'm gay?" Which also might be why Beatrice asked if Scott fucked Connor yet, because he dips his pen in the company ink when he has the chance.

>>78841376
Oh certainly. That's life when you aren't fully out and trying to stealth.

>>78833051
I don't do it in mine because I find it funnier to find creative ways to hide it. I know there are a lot of people around these parts that think it's censorship akin to the ESRB but you can bite me. It's my comic.

Other people? Don't really care as long as your equal opportunity and it's not just the women you shitlords.

>>78841457
You went back in time and had a chat with oldtimey sorts about their understanding of the heavens? Shit Mr. Peabody, I'm a brown haired boy with glasses, sign me up for companion status on your next trip

>>78841185
I don't know what 'they thought' but I do know what they were taught, and I know that lots of them were taught that way because -lots- of people want to Church back then; an overwhelming proportion of the population. We knew what they were taught, because we have (some of) the texts.

It's not exactly like those periods were bursting at the seams with libraries or materials and people who just gave away stuff for free. We're talking about 900~ BC Iran, mind, not 400~ BC Greece/Rome.

Any case, I didn't say "they all thought that". I said "it's likely a very large amount of them thought that". Or, in other words, it was 'the popular belief'. Smart/Perceptive != Educated.

>>78841461
oh the ol' inguinal canal trick. I keep hearing that's a myth but I always knew it had to be true or why would so many different groups (sumo rikishi come to mind) be said to be able to do it?

>>78841897
shit dude I was talking about 500-1000ish BC here, with a little leading up to 60AD or so. nevermind, we wre talking about totally different shit. That was probably my bad.

>>78841939
Can confirm that it's possible, it happens to me on accident all the time.

>>78842122
I used to worry mine were slipping up into my pubic area.. for some reason they felt that way. but I think it was just something else.. some other tube or whatever. Crazy anats down there.

>>78841461
>I wouldn't write about it if I wasn't somewhat aware of the situation.
I am continually impressed and generally disturbed by the situations you're aware of. Makes me feel a combination of being intrigued and very happy to stay inside my safe bubble, and that's what good fiction should always do.

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>>78843742
chucklin' pretty hard. everyone loves the bee-flower relationship anthropomorphized.
btw excuse* with a c in it
did planty girl have splatoon tentacles before? I must have missed that part. also not sure what the deal is with the stitches on her leaves but it's all good (wait are those flytraps? so many traps in this comic)

>>78844021
Yeah, she's a mix of a squid and a plant.
and the stichtes are really just that sine part of that leaves have.
And no, she is 100% girl.

>>78844214
oh well the lines should be pointing towards the tip if they're meant to be the lines on a leaf. but the way you've shaded them they look more like big round 3d shapes, not flat leaves. Well no big deal, but it might help to look up some leaves if she appears again later
also you're gettin a little lazy with those green hair tentacles, best watch it. especially panels 9 and 10

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I forgot to update for some days because i was eating guacamole
:(

>>78844964
dem moth hips

I think we've all been through that, right? fucking green menace

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>>78784664
Hey man, just starting to read your comic, looks sick. Do I detect a 5 Percenter influence?

>>78841964
>people were intelligently ill taught 500-1000ish BC and into 60 AD

You have no fundamental understanding of anything you're trying to talk about, do you?

The irony of this guy.