>>78769966 Nothing went wrong. New 52 Superman is great. The only people who disagree are people who don't get Superman as a character and don't understand the subtle but fundamental differences between him and Pre-Crisis Supes.
>>78772899 >I think his redesign is fantastic? Why? I don't mean to sound like a dick, but why? The collar doesn't fit his character at all, and without the red trunks the costume just kind of looks like a mess of blue.
Nothing is actually wrong with superman. The character just has bad writers that can't problem solve worth crap. There are actually a lot of great superman stories out there. Writers need to stay away from trying to remove his powers or trying to kill him. It forces you to think about the character. “The late Mr. Kent” did this perfect. Superman is probably one of the most complex characters to write for and needs good writers. I personally was unsure of MoS as a story and it had issues to an extent, however, if I look at it in the context of the first season of Arrow, or even to an extent Batman Begins, MoS is actually really smart and hopefully the new movie will do that. The comics need to go back to the roots of what makes the character awesome. He has all these abilities and spends his time trying to help and understand his adopted world. This simple idea is a real challenge to write for. And yes the simple desguises do actually work. Most people when confronted with authorities like the police have a really hard time knowing what they look like when they are not in uniform. All they see is a badge. Superman is a truly compelling character that could use some good writing and some thought provoking stories. Even with the mainstreams popular characters like batman, most fans take issue with writers not working with his detective abilities. In a nutshell DC needs to think outside the box and establish rules about their characters. Tell writers that they can no longer kill or depower main metahumans or aliens as plot devices. They have to do better and really put some heart and thought into the characters. Look at what Allen Moore did with swampthing. It can be done they just need to stop hiring the wrong people.
Really? Cause I thought it was the second worst Superman design from the New 52 onwards. Worst one was the Injustice one. I'll take Both t-shirt ones, and the suits from Man of Steel, Earth 2, and New 52 Ultraman before those.
>>78772448 >>78772948 I actually quite liked Crossed Worlds (v1 of the B/S series). Vol. 2 was fine, I had no problems with it like I did with Lobdell Supes or the Perez trade.
>>78769966 Nothing went wrong. Superman Unchained was a bestseller, as was the Earth One books and other things. Superman can still sell and sell quite well, top ten no question.
The problem, having read it all, is consistency and quality of art, consistency in continuity, poor quality choices in writers at times, no follow through, the mess they made with the clone and Supergirl carried over in to his books. This can all be summed up as editorial stupidity.
>>78772899 The suit was too blue. Part of this was that they wanted to take yellow out when they could have used it for piping versus red. Since they kept the cape red, there was no point in making piping red. They also didn't use consistency with that. I was just reading the Perez trade over again to see if I would like it better 2-3 years after the fact and that's the first thing that jumped out at me, over the course of just 5-6 issues. It was worse throughout the run of all his books.
>>78775296 >Most people when confronted with authorities like the police have a really hard time knowing what they look like when they are not in uniform. All they see is a badge. Superman is a truly compelling character that could use some good writing and some thought provoking stories.
I realized in re-reading some of the trades that what little I did like in Lobdell's run was that he did spend some time with Clark (I'm thinking specifically of Lois party during the otherwise annoying Hive Queen/Hector Hammond story) and not every panel was punch/smash/bam.
>>78769966 They rewrote his origin too hard. People misunderstand that his true superpower was his humble country upbringing, that he uses to solve problems he can't punch.
In New 52 his parents die when he is too young, he doesn't have that maturity, and is just an arrogant dummy. The current powerless storyline would be far more impactful with a deeper Superman, but this one falls flat because of his inexperience to begin with.
All of which makes no sense, considering Morrison was involved and he seems to at least understand the character better than most writers.
There is a similar problem overall with New 52 and that is that all the characters are too stiff to have friendly relationships with one another, like how Tim Drake is a stuck up pretentious loner, when pre-52 Drake is built on how much warmth and love he has for his friends.
>>78791810 >There is a similar problem overall with New 52 and that is that all the characters are too stiff to have friendly relationships with one another
This has been a problem. It could be argued that they can use the fresh(ish) start to spend years rebuilding those relationships and new relationships. Retread familiar links, and explore new ones that may not have been an option before.
But it's been a few years now, and it's really more like they just dropped the ball. Don't much care about the weird timeline crunch, but the characters/teams/"families" don't feel like they have much cohesion anymore.
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