MOON KNIGHT #1 PREVIEW

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>>78763037
Jesus christ Greg Smallwood where was this in the last run?

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>>78763056

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>>78763037
>what if he's really, really crazy
He's been that already. Just be sure to explore what it means to be a mentally unstable vigilante this time, and not use it for flavor like Ellis and co. did.

>>78763037
Fucking Christ, cut it out with the god damn #1s. Does anyone remember when they would just fucking keep the run and switch writers? Now this confusing ass trend is a norm.

>>78763056
I know, right? He was really shitty in the Wood run(though it matched the writing)

>>78764706
>Does anyone remember when they would just fucking keep the run and switch writers?
Actually...no.

>>78763037
pretty much the only comic from marvel I'm looking forward to and gonna pick up in the near future, hyped as fuck

>>78764741
Wood was the only one who attempted something more than "Marc says a badass quip, then punches people."

It certainly wasn't anything revolutionary, but it had some semblance of craft that Ellis/ that other guy didn't.

>>78764706
What do you think would sell more- #1, or #18?
Welcome to comic book business

This art looks fantastic.

>>78764706
Yes.
It's the sorry ass attempt to bring n new readers or some shit. No integrity in comics anymore.

>>78764872
why?

>>78764876
Making him Batman was not "something more".

>>78764902
It used to be numbers didn't have an affect on sales. Then the 90s happened. Speculator pandering has destroyed the industry and no one is even trying to undo the damage anymore.

>>78764780
>What is Amazing Spider-Man
>What is Fantastic Four
>What is Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes
>What is Daredevil The Man Without Fear
>What is The Incredible Hulk

Nigga are you 12, switching out artists and writers but putting them on the same title was the norm for decades.

>>78764938
Which is irrelevant, because he didn't make him Batman.

>>78764706
When DC doesn't do it /co/ bitches about it and calls them "dumb" and like to say "they can't into marketing"

>>78764902
It turns me off. What's the point of attempting to keep track if they're going to do that all the time and make it confusing?
Might as well never make a #2 according to your logic.

>>78765009
Anyone who thinks that is a retard.

>>78764972
>>What is Fantastic Four
Even fucking Hickman's run got a new #1. When it was finished it was relaunched under Fraction with a new #1 and then with Robinson it got a new #1 again. This dates back 5 years or so.

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>>78764907
money for one, economy is shit in canada atm, also not many other comics interest me in the new relaunch, i would have picked up spider-man if it wasn't fucking Slott again writing it

>>78764976
He made him act more like Batman than anything. Ellis didn't do anything charcterwise with him, but at least he didn't go full Batman with him.

>>78764949
>Then the 90s happened

>complaining about something that started 20+years ago
Jesus grandpa go back to your Journey Into Mystery bs
>>78765016
>It turns me off
Then stop reading it? You complaining about it isn't going to stop normie from picking up #1 because its the start of a story vs issue #18 because it's the start of a new arc

>>78764907
Because Lemire with less executive meddling. Books with the less executive meddling are the best of ANAD. And they're actually great. I know it's cool to hate MARVEL nowadays, but if you look on their products you can at least count 15 books above a rating of 7/10.

>>78765059
>Using newer FF

I'm talking classic genius holy fuck

>>78765076
But why this comic? especially considering the fact that you can't afford a lot. Lemire's been really crap for Marvel.

>>78765100
>normie

>>>/r9k/

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>>78764949
interested in what you mean by this can you elaborate?

>>78765114
>but if you look on their products you can at least count 15 books above a rating of 7/10.
No, you can't.

>>78765100
>Just says "hurt stop reading"
>Provides no valid argument to the point at hand
>Still can't provide how it makes sense to make anything not #1 according to shill logic

>>78765094
>He made him act more like Batman than anything.
Those six issues were much more concerned with looking at Marc's history as a mercenary--the themes of war and violence were actually talked about and not just implied.

Nothing Batman about that.

>>78765122
Who the fuck cares about the status quo 50 years ago? You couldn't browse the internet on your phone, but now you can. Shit changes, deal with it. You're bitching about something that's been going on for a long time now.

>>78765164
Yes I can.

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>>78765126
Because I love Moon Knight, he's one of my favourite characters, I'll give the first few issues a chance and if the writer is really as bad as you say I'll just get the comics online or something

>>78765189
>muhh city
shit sucked, son

>>78765126
>Extraordinary
>AN Hawkeye
>OML end of this month
>Moon Knight in April
Anon don't you see he's going to be writing characters that have potential to do something

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>>78765222
shit meant the artist, my bad

>>78765212
Maybe you just have low standards then.

>>78765238
>/co/ continues to prove they have no idea how to assess writing, and only cares about dialogue

Comics are dead.

>>78765222
He's not bad, he's just really hit and miss. His Descender for example is really good, but his work on Hawkeye and X-shit is...shit

>>78765251
The first two suck ass, anon...

I'm so damn hyped for this, the art looks amazing and I'm liking what Lemire's been saying about the book in interviews.

I know Lemire's pretty shit at Marvel, but for some reason I think this will be great.

>>78765298
I really don't see how you can get on your high horse and defend Brian Fucking Wood as some great writer. Top lel.

>>78765274
No. They're actually good. Try reading instead of blatantly hating it.

Astonishing Ant-Man
Contest of Champions
Captain America: Sam Wilson
New Avengers
Spider-Man 2099
Karnak
Totally Awesome Hulk
Daredevil
Squadron Supreme
Starbrand and Nightmask
Scarlet Witch
Deadpool
Howard the Duck
Ms. Marvel
Silk
Carnage
Hawkeye
Ultimates
Vision
Hercules
Nova

These are the good ones anon. I think you should check it out.

>>78765208
Read this comment well, /co/. Read it and know that this is what we've come to. The current comic industry can shovel shit into your mouths, and you'll say it's ice cream. The weirdest part is people this stupid will never understand what is so ridiculous about what they said.

>>78765350
If you followed the conversation, he said that Wood's "wasn't revolutionary or anything."

He's just calling you out on being a dumbass.

>>78765350
>>78765389
I'm glad someone knows how to read, at least.

>>78763056
oh, shit. that's impressive.

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>>78765366
>Contest of Champions
>New Avengers
>2099
>Starbrand and Nightmask
>Scarlet Witch
>Nova

>>78765366
>Astonishing Ant-Man
Awful
>Contest of Champions
No thanks
>New Avengers
No thanks
>Spider-Man 2099
No spider shit for me
>Karnak
Shit
>Totally Awesome Hulk
Pathethic
>Daredevil
maybe a 6/10 at best
>Squadron Supreme
Nah
>Starbrand and Nightmask
Pass
>Scarlet Witch
I had high hopes but it's not good
>Deadpool
No thank you
>Howard the Duck
Is this a joke
>Ms. Marvel
No
>Silk
Seriosuly, nhow you're jsut trying to be funny
>Carnage
Not inetrsted in spider-man related shit
>Hawkeye
It's crap
>Ultimates
Ultimate universe lol
>Vision
This is actually good
>Hercules
Pass
>Nova
Did it change creative teams? Because it was bland

>>78765455
I was about to reply to you but then you listed Starbrand and Nightmask, so I won't even bother. Here's the (you).

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>>78765504
>Ultimates
>Ultimate universe lol
Man, you're not even pretending to have read any of these are you? Hell, I doubt you've even read Vision and are just saying that it's the only good one because that's what you've seen other people on /co/ say.

In fact, do you even read comics in the first place or are you just on this board for the /tv/ and stale memes?

>>78765208
>It's old so it sucks

I bet your favorite boxer is Mayweather.

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>>78765146
How young is /co/ that no one knows industry history anymore?

Do modern comics fans seriously think comics were always a low selling obscure niche?

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>>78763037

>>78765777
New comic fans think anything before 2005 is bad. It legitimately angers me.

>>78765318
His Hawkeye isn't even bad. It's not great and is basically Fraction-lite but it's still an enjoyable read

>>78765366

How is Uncanny Inhumans? One of the books I've been looking forward too most.

What hack is writing this crap?

Why don't they bring Moench or Dixon back?

>>78766656
It's alright. All-new Inhumans is the better inhuman book though.

>>78766656
Shit. They ruined The Inhumans franchise.

>>78766839
>Dixon
pls no

Just get Huston.

>>78765366
Most of those really are crap though.

>>78766723
lel who cares? it's marvel so you know it'll just meme. just go read some based DC if you want good comics. i recommend omega men, justice league, action comics, and batman.

>>78765366
Some of this have only had one or two issues out, so it's a little hard to tell but:
>Ant-Man
5/10
>Contest
5.5/
10 with potential
>NA
7.5/10 solely for fun
>2099
6/10
>Karnak
5/10 with strong potential, likely o be slaughtered by delays
>TA Hulk
7/10
>Daredevil
5/10
>Squadron Supreme
7/10
>Starbrand and Nightmask
Legit didn't realize it was out yet
>Scarlet Witch
6/10
>Deadpool
6.5/10 with some potential
>Howard
Haven't read; don't like Zdarsky
>Ms. Marvel
So far a 6/10, previous run was 7-7.5 though, so we'll see.
>Silk
6/10
>Carnage
Dunno
>Ultimates
5.5/10, but apart from Rambeau I'm kind of biased against the team.
>Hawkeye
Dunno, but Lemirw at Marvel has been disappointing.
>Vision
8/10
>Hercules
6/10 with potential
>Nova
4/10

It's not a bad list, but it's mostly just baseline stuff with a few standouts.

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>>78766902
>Huston

>>78767002
>being a wikifag
The guy who turned Moon Knight into an singular and multi-faceted character, instead of just a way for Moench to write Batman while working for Marvel.

>>78767076
Hi Huston!

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>>78766839
>Dixon
Even Zelenets was better than that hack.
Kavanagh is still the king of being the worst MK writer, but Dixon was bad too.

>>78764902

This is just the 90s gimmick covers of this era. People will get/have gotten sick of it and be turned off.

It's impossible to imagine anymore, but when I first got into comics as a kid, a high number on an issue meant legitimacy to me. "It's been around for a long time, this must be a good character/book" ... I have no clue why, in this era of instant info, a high issue number should be a turnoff given that it will take you one google search to catch up on everything you needed to know

>>78765059

>5 years or so
>for properties which have existed half a century or more

Fucking underage please go.

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>>78767076
>into an singular and multi-faceted character
Moench already did that.
The only one who started writing MK as Batman was Dixon.

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>>78767117
>Dixon is bad because he's a Republican

>>78767176
Which to be fair, Dixon did with a lot of characters.

>>78767117
>Zelenets
Wouldn't go that far. Dixon was just incredibly mediocre.

>>78767176
You mean the least accurate portrayal of DID ever? Those "personalities" were just different skins of Matches Malone and other Batman identities.

Moench/Sienkiewicz had loads of charm and style, but was heavily indebted to Batman. Huston was the real revolutionary by getting rid of most traditional superhero elements.

>>78767176
But MK always was a Batman.
>throws boomerangs that look like his symbol
>has a helicopter that looks like his symbol
>has a butler and other associates in his fight agaisnt crime
>is a master of disguise
There even is an illustration of MK shoving Batman aside and saying something like "out of the way, old man!"

>>78767271
If this Huston is so good, why isn't he writing anymore?

>>78767328
I believe balancing his other projects with Marvel was too much, at the time. He was a novelist before writing comics (a big reason his run is thematically layered like a book), so he's probably still doing that.

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>>78766902
Man, reading that run was very painful.
Not because of writing, but because Finch is one of the most vomit-inducing artists. Not bad, but he's the definition of sickeningly bland.
Not to mention it's incomprehensible at times because Finch cannot into dynamic action scenes, so you have to figure out what happened for a couple of seconds.
I'm usually writing > art type, but this really made the run worse than it could be.

>>78767391
I think you're trying to sell me something, anon.

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>>78767511
I agree that the action scenes were really muddled, but I thought Finch was pretty on-point for most of the run.

>>78767511
>bland.
Finch channels all of the over-exaggeration and awful "extreme" qualities of the 90s. It's not pleasant to look at, but that's the farthest thing from "bland."

Better yet, it fits with how over-exaggerated and extreme Marc was in this run. I don't think there were too many scenes that were that hard to interpret, but this was honestly Finch at his best. Doesn't say much, but still...

>>78765366
Nova and Scarlett witch are straight up thrash.

>>78767554
Think whatever you'd like, anon. I just like good comics, and want people to read good comics.

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>>78767664
>MK
>by a nobody and Finch
>good

>>78767702
>>by a nobody
Says the one defending Dixon.

>>78767867
Dixon has a very long career, unlike your precious Houston.

So how was the last volume of Moon Knight? Last thing I heard that it was going through it's third writer before it ended prior to Secret Wars. I have little faith in Lemire since everything he's written at Marvel so far has been utterly mediocre

>>78767925
>everything he's written at Marvel so far has been utterly mediocre
This should be their motto.

>>78767990
Well mediocre sells, no wonder they beat DC by quite a large margin for years and for decades now.

>>78766656
Good. All new inhumans is good too.

>>78768062
No, I mean the fact that many writers suddenly stop writing good books when they're hired by Marvel

>>78767913
>precious
I talked about a single stretch of comics he's written.

I know this is 4chan, and I probably hurt your feelings with that crack on Dixon, but isn't there anything else you could say that's more productive criticism?

>>78768103
>LOL U MAD
Nice productive criticism, bro : )

>>78767925
The writers came on in shifts, each doing a six issue "season" before shifting to a new creative team.

As you can see from this thread, feelings have been mixed, but the general consensus is that it was an incredibly stylish series that doesn't require a lot of knowledge on the character's backstory.

>>78768162
>incredibly stylish
So the art was good but the writing was crap? Oh god.

>>78768213
Again, depends on who you ask.

They were mostly episodic issues. The first six were by Ellis, and had a lot of his signature cheeky dialogue and other trappings.

Most of /co/, in my experience, thought that part, at the very least, was great. I'm more inclined to agree with this guy's >>78767271
opinion, but I didn't hate the new stuff as much.

>>78768062

I only just started reading modern Marvel and I don't get the appeal. It all feels so bland and no one seems to be able to write characters with any kind of personality. Nova had three heroes in it this month and they all read about the same past Marvel talking more than the other two. It was so boring. When did this happen? I used to love their older stuff.

>>78768305
I hated it, but that's mostly because with "one issue - one story" format I've expected a Fell successor, and ended up with a series that's too action-heavy.

>>78768305
>GOTTA SHILL HARDER

>>78768364
>and ended up with a series that's too action-heavy
I don't think you should expect any differently from Ellis' Marvel work. He's been taking the "for hire" part pretty seriously, and keeping his more imaginative ideas for himself, I think.

>>78768368
>hurr samefag
Please stop.

>>78768368
>muh buzzwords

Jesus Christ there's a lot of cancer in this thread.

>>78768581
Ellis never gave a fuck about comics.

>>78768609
>cancer
Nice buzzword, bruh.