Will we ever see this costume again? Looking back on it, it's

>>78762759
>Will we ever see this costume again?
No.

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And as far as complaints that it shows too much skin or whatever, it's really no more revealing than Colossus's classic costume

Never. It showed off her ass and her boobs were too big.

>>78762805
Man, I'm really tired of Marvel burning the history of all its characters to the ground. What's even the point?

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>>78762853
but...

>>78762943

Something something MALE POWER FANTASY.

I unironically love the Ms. Marvel costume. Carol was only ever good for her looks and now that she's a bland dyke her entire character is pointless.

>>78762835
It's less revealing. Higher boots, longer gloves and side panels on the swimsuit.

>>78763130
She was always the best supporting cast type Avenger. She never really worked as the star of her own book, but as the team bruiser she was great. She's meant to be a part of a team ensemble

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I hate how narrow the bottom of her leotard became.

>>78762759
Dave Cockrum loved sashes.

>>78762759
We might see a militarized version (i.e. with pants+aviator goggles) in the MCU, but that's probably it.

>>78763294
that's because ur gay

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Speaking of costumes they need to bring back, they need to give Storm the white costume permanently. It's striking as fuck visually.

How artists don't want to draw that shit all the time is beyond me

>>78762975
Namor is most certainly a hyper sexual female fantasy. Especially for married women who have husbands that work too much and don't give them the satisfaction they need

>>78762759
I disagree, it's generic and boring. There isn't much to it that makes her stand out in any considerable way, it's completely forgettable. It's better than her current design though.

>>78763614
The sash and the lightning bolt stand out to me, specifically because of the simplicity of the design

>>78763294
I agree. It slipped into full thong territory a few times

>>78763614
The big yellow lightning bolt on the flat black stands out like crazy. Plus the red sash breaking up the black is also visually striking. You're crazy.

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Same with Power Man. His steel headband, wristbands and chain belt were his distinct costume features, and it makes no sense taking those away. I understand retooling it, but you have to keep those features intact

>>78762759
>>78763294
I don't like that the lightning bolt and the sash are "inspired by" Beck's iconic Captain Marvel costume.

>>78763869
You might see the belt and arm bands. You're fucking nuts if you think that tiara is coming back

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>>78764030
It's a headband, not a tiara. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes, wearing a steel headband is fucking cool. Not only is it cool, but it's very distinct and makes Power Man stand out in the little head shots Marvel always put in the corner of the cover.

It's this attitude towards superheroes that you're displaying right now that ends up ruining them. Power Man and his whole world of mercenary heroics and eccentric street crime is cool as hell, but nobody can see that potential

>>78762759

Because leotard + stockings is ridiculous

>>78762876
Crushing the Patriarchy.

>>78762759
>>78762759


Bare legs are apparently a sin against nature now. I never thought of legs as sinful, but there we go. Maybe I'm just from the wrong type of background.

>>78764244
Why? And don't meme out with some bullshit about "realism".

>>78762943
>1968

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>>78764009
Why not?

>>78764289
I seriously don't even see how it's sexualized or whatever they say about it. Seeing a womans upper thigh isn't really that big of a deal if you've ever been on or around a beach or have seen a woman wear shorts

>>78762759
She looks like a stripper. I say this because the leotard is too high and she's showing too much skin. The new design is leaps and bounds better.

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Her current costume's perfect for her, I just wish they'd kept its color darker.

>>78764563
But I can't wank to it. :(

>>78764563
What's perfect about it?

I wish they could do a mixture of the previous and current costume. Black and gold color scheme with lightbolt replacing the red blue and star.

>>78764563
Inverting the colors ruined it instantly. Shitty shit.

>>78764693
She's covered up and can finally be taken seriously.

>>78764681
I've jerked off more to Catwoman in a fully covering body suit than I have to Carol in her leotard. Men usually aren't super aroused just from seeing a womans upper thigh exposed

>>78764737
I've never had any problem taking a woman seriously who chooses to wear revealing clothing

>>78764550
She's essentially wearing a turtleneck anon

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>>78762759
this is the closest we got/will get

>>78764563
I actually really like her current costume. It's everything else about her currently that's shit.

I prefer the blue-red suit, but in terms of what's over-sexualized, the outfit often matters less than the artist. Lopez's Carol looked great but then she'd show up in some Avengers and her clothes might be drawn as body paint. The leotard was alright in her original solo but went to extremes around Civil War.

All that bothers me on the latest design is the absurd pouchifying of the sash. It was always there for style, and if Miles can pull an entire burger out of his skintight suit in the middle of Secret Wars, Carol can have invisible pockets. Also the Cap Carol books are good reading and if you don't agree you're wrong

>>78762759
Way too much hoopla is made about how "appropriate" various costumes are. If someone has supernatural powers who cares what they're wearing? they can still kick my ass.

If I make a comic it's going to have the main characters shirtless all the time and there's noting you can do about it.

>>78765323
What is working for you in her new stories? I've rarely came across people that like them

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>>78765323
>liking captain marvel

Nah, they made a big deal out of it, the Legacy she gave her name to is bigger than her now, she's got nowhere to go.

>>78762759
I disliked the sash. It broke up the outfit's symmetry too close to her body's center. I think assymetrical accessories should be placed further from the body, like Spawn's column-boot thing, or War-Machine's shoulder vulcan.

>>78762835

It's about intent. The old Ms Marvel costume was revealing skin to be sexy, the Colossus costume is revealing skin to show he's a giant Russian made of metal.

Really, this >>78762943 is a better comparison.

>>78762975

That particular incarnation of Namor was probably power fantasy, sure.

Namor's depiction has evolved into being mostly man-cheesecake for female fans, as /co/ sure as hell knows. Not saying it's a bad thing, just that Namor's audience shift (as well as that of other characters like Doctor Doom, Thor, or Loki) is something to be aware of when using him as an example.

>>78764215
LOL
The tiaras worse than Superman wearing his boxers over his tights

Is it worth reading KSD's run? Everyone at Marvel praises her but /co/ seems to hate her, how exactly did they ruin the character?

>>78765931
>Is it worth reading KSD's run?

Lol, no. It's worthless trash.

>>78763869
It does make sense though, they look ridiculous and laughable.
None make sense and only the wristbands don't look dumb.

>>78764550
You've never, in your entire life, seen a stripper.

>>78765852
>hurrr durrrr he's wearin underwarez on da oudzide

You're 12, aren't you?

>>78765931
S'alright. I wouldn't pay for it. Characters & dialogue are good, but very little actually happens, especially in the second volume.

>>78763869
In the defense of that, Luke Cage's old outfit was terrible.

>>78765931
It deserves neither hate nor praise. Its greatest sin is that its the blandest, most uninteresting comic that Marvel has put out in years. There's nothing good about it.

Were it not for all the circlejerking over it (both positive and negative), it would just be yet another completely forgettable mediocre cape comic in a long history of forgettable mediocre cape comics.

>>78766184
No. It just makes no sense(for someone who grew up around normal humans and normal human style of dress and has super speed) and looks ridiculous for him to look like he doesn't know how to dress.

>>78765931
It's only bad in the sense of how mediocre, bland and forgettable it is. It's not actually bad though, it'll just feel like you wasted time reading it if you were to read it.
Most of the negative criticism from /co/ comes more as a reaction to the insane hype and praise from Marvel(and twitter, etc).

>>78766092
They all make sense and look cool. His headband reflects that he's hard as steel mentally, not just physically. He's cold and hardened outwardly in his line of work as a mercenary

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>>78763869
Maybe it's uncomfortable without hair to wear the headband, looks like it just sits tightly on there

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>>78763163
To be fair, its only empowerment if the cosplayer is a fat pig.

>>78762759
>>Will we ever see this costume again?

Only she goes back to being Warbird, she sure as hell isn't going to be Ms. Marvel anymore.

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Speaking of, is the new Ms Marvel any good? I hear people saying it's fantastic

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>>78766706
>fantastic

It's not even remotely that good. It suffers from pacing problems, some shitty dialogue, overbearing on the muslim thing especially early on, and a reliance on memes. Having said all that it's one of Marvel's better ones right now.

>>78766706
It's pretty good, I think.
I'm enjoying it a lot. The art is super charming, and crammed full of background gags.
I love shit like that.
The characters are pretty believable as people, and while being religious, aren't in-your-face about it, aside from the real-life realities of day-to-day practice of it.
Your mileage may vary.
This is the internet--Find a download and give a few issues a go.
I ain't no snitch.

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>>78766479
Man, Power Man is so fucking cool, and I feel like Marvel already ruined him

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>>78766894
The guy even has his own signature sound effect with SKRAKOWWW that everyone always seems to forget

>>78766871
Does it ever go past trying to portray day to day "real life" interactions, and trying to make all of the characters believable as "real people"? Superheroes are supposed to be exceptional and unique individuals with lives that are anything but ordinary.

>>78767537
It's a teen book anon, what do you think? The superhero shit is totally secondary to teen girl shit.

>>78766706
It's the best book Marvel is putting out, has been good since launch

also, fuck off filthy casual

>>78767589
Yeah, that doesn't sound like the book for me. Does she at least have a debilitating identity crisis she's always dealing with?

>>78767678
There's the whole muslim thing they constantly beat you over the head with.

>>78767678
Are you looking for some generic superhero book that gets cancelled in 12?

This book is good because that's not what it is

>>78767729
Does she ever talk about her Gods prophet Mohammed?

>>78767782
I don't think she really gives a shit about being Muslim, it's really the rest of her family.

>>78767782
Fuck off, /pol/

it's a good book, end of

>>78762759

it's a shame because it's an epic design. revealing yet simple.

>>78767854
>it's a good book, end of

It's a mediocre book amidst a sea of shit.

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If only they would just stop fucking with her hair

>>78767769
I like classic superhero archetypes. It's called variations on a theme. The whole alter ego dynamic of a superhero is tailor made for exploring psychological concepts of identity and the unconscious interacting with the conscious mind. These characters project some aspect of themselves outwardly in an idealized form.

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Best costume

>>78767854
I'm not even being pol here. I've done cursory reading of the Quran myself and I know that it's a cool story. It's just that the entire belief system hinges on the teachings of Mohammed, yet everyone gets all upset when you talk about him.

It would be almost bizarre if so much of the book is about her Muslim family, yet they never talk about their prophet

>>78767850
So she's not even really a Muslim then

She's westernized muslim. My school was full of them. Most didn't wear a hijab except for their holidays.

>>78765750
the Ms Marvel costume in OPs post is a female gymnast outfit except it actually covers more of her skin

>>78765750
so when woman in the Olympics wear outfits that reveal even more skin the intent is to be sexy?

>>78768032
nah. switch the blue and the red.

>>78762759
Honestly, I'd be okay with at least bringing back the color scheme.

>>78768175
no more than the average christian-american is a christian

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>>78766713
She hated wearing it.

She loved ogling it.

>>78768980

I generally hate that trend. They wouldn't wear it for so long if they hated it. Like that panel where Wonder Woman mocks her normal outfit. It only works with like Black Canary mocking her brief 80s outift.

>>78768137
To make it clear, I'm honestly not even remotely anti Islam. I understand the religion from a perspective that the vast majority of non Muslims never will.

For example, it's incomprehensible to most people who see with modern eyes, but there are many prominent and positively portrayed women in the Quran. Mohammeds first wife Khadija who was 15 years older than him, was an extremely successful and wealthy merchant who rose Mohammed to high status in society, which he owed a lot of his success to. Then of course there is the very controversial Aisha, who despite marrying Mohammed when she was 9 grew to be one of the most important figures in Islam, said to be scholarly and intelligent, becoming one of the most prominent writers in Islamic matters.

I just am wondering if this Ms. Marvel book is written by somebody who understands Islam enough to write an Islamic person, or if it's just aesthetics

>>78768837
So not at all?

>>78769222
Based on Marvel's editor, second gen Pakistani-American Muslim Sana Amanat's experiences as a girl.

Written by Sunni Muslim, G Willow Wilson.

>>78769180
She's a covered up Muslim girl of course Kamala would personally hate the costume once she tried it out.

She never shows her legs.

>>78769440
>>78769222
The author is a white western convert to Islam, I imagine she's read and cares a great deal about the book.

To actually add on, too lazy to find the interview, but Amanat mentioned it was important to her that the character struggle with her religion somewhat.

>>78769222
Sana Amanat oversees every Kamala interaction that GWW doesn't write for authenticity.

>>78769545

I misread oops. I thought carol started bad mouthing it somewhere. I like her new outfit but I think the lightning bolt, mask, and hair should stayed generally the same. I can't take Carol seriously with that hair.

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I'm

What should she look like in the MCU and who should play here?

>>78769584
She lived in Egypt for a bunch of years before she wrote Alif the unseen and Cairo which won awards.

>>78769440
I find it funny that Willow after Kamala made her next character was a nude teenage girl.

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>>78770160
Singularity is cute.

>>78769440
Sounds like it could turn into narcissistic diary tier stuff fairly quickly, rather than from the wider perspective

>>78769584
You can imagine all you want, but does she actually care about the Quran? Because I have a feeling that I've defended the depiction of women in the Quran in one post than the entirety of this book. Shit, I bet it doesn't even use imagery conceived from Islamic theology or draw parallels to Islamic mytho-historic chronicles

>>78766894
He's been ruined. Not a new development

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>>78769948
I think Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow build a very strong case for Emily Blunt

>>78769639
Authenticity of what?

>>78770341
You could read a couple issues instead of telling us about the possibility that you won't like it. Or read the author's non-cape books first. And seriously, 'wider perspective?' What are you looking for, Islamic Evangelion? This book is definitely more about Muslims as people than Islam itself.

>>78766479
Maybe they should stop Balding all of their black strongmen.

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I want Carol to just be tits and ass again.

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>>78770341
It's not supposed to be. She's not a spokesman.

She's an ordinary Muslim girl who lives in Jersey, has a brother who uses religion to get out of getting a job. Visits the masjid on weekends, gets advice from her imam when she needs it and lives her life.

>>78770524
Probably to make sure the other writers don't do something stupid to insult Muslims when GWW isn't writing it.

>>78770709
Yeah, this honestly would have been the perfect format for Islamic Evangelion. Have you ever deeply studied religious theology? It stimulates your creativity and expandes the conceptions of reality in your mind to the chaos beyond time and space and back. You're acting like it's a bad idea.

This is really the first time I've ever talked about this character in depth. I'm just curious if the story actually has anything to do with Islam or if it's just the diary of a teenage girl who calls herself Muslim but doesn't actually live it

>>78770853
I actually kind of like these bits.
I wonder if it really is this mundane for most of them?
I hope so.

>>78770853
You aren't supposed to be ordinary if you're religious. You're supposed to be against the grain of society. It's not about being a spokesperson.

Do her Islamic beliefs inform anything in how she lives her life?

>>78762759
I think this is such an ugly costume

The red one with the scarf is so much better.

>>78770927
Like what?

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>>78771045
The Khans are great

>>78770985
You sound like a pedant.
>beyond time and space and back
And like a pretentious asshat.
>if it's just the diary of a teenager girl who calls herself Muslim
You've probably be describing a few hundred million people by whatever metric you used right there and I doubt they'd appreciate the summation.

If they were especially devout/orthodox they likely are not going to be reading comic books.

Who would this book you were proposing be written for?

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>>78771290

>>78771290
What's so great about them?

>>78770729

Gonna just be honest here black hair more often than not looks like shit when an artist draws it and I think it's just better these guys be bald.

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>>78771104
It's a cute teen book about a Muslim-American girl. I don't get why you think it should be some grand treatise on the Islamic faith. That's like expecting a Daredevil comic to be an intense meditation on Catholicism or reading the Fantastic Four for Ben Grimm's insights into Judaism.

>>78771045
I prefer her slice of life bits to her hero life. Her last issue of her last run was a personal 9/10 for me and she didn't put on her costume once.

>>78771586
>dat meme
You please me greatly.

>>78771648
I do kind of like what I've seen.

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>>78770457
yes please

>>78771398
There's no pretense with me here. Spiritual theology is an extremely expansive field of thought that lights a fire in your mind creatively. The audience of any story should be found naturally just by the nature of who it speaks to.

I'm just pointing out that it would have been far more interesting and a greater experience of discovery if the story actually drew parallels to Islamic writings and historical events, in addition to using imagery from Islamic theology

>>78763869
>Headband

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>>78771586
It's funny that you say that, because the definitive Daredevil story is filled with spiritual themes and Catholic imagery. Matt Murdock has his religious beliefs interwoven through the very heart of his character. Is that the same with Ms Marvel?

Reading Born Again, you could come to understand a Catholic view of the human condition. Can you come to understand an Islamic world view of the human condition reading Ms Marvel, or is it ultimately just showing us the world view of a teenage girl, with her being Muslim amounting to little but a gimmick?

>>78771822
>wiltedvioletamericanlobster

>>78771893
>would have been far more interesting and a greater experience of discovery
to YOU. the creators made the book they wanted to make, for an apparently different audience. there's a point when you have to accept that sometimes people like what you don't like and that difference does not necessitate inferiority on either side

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>>78772374
Sure, but I'm already on this train of thought and it has no brakes. This is Marvel comics we're talking about here, the universe that contains Jim Starlins Adam Warlock cosmic landscape. There comes a point where a diminutive teen slice of life book isn't living up to the potential of the medium.

This character is the inheritor of the Captain Marvel line of titles. I think mind bending Islamic theology expressed in cosmic Marvel is in order here

>>78766706
My cousin likes it. So if you're a young woman you might too.

>>78773252

I am. Thanks, I'll give it a go.

Lovely costume. Simplistic, minimalist design with some nice complimentary colours. The exposed thick thighs gave it a sexy feminine each edge.

I have no idea why they decided to drop it, or why covering up the female body like it's shameful has become feminist. Maybe I'm just too old to get it.

>>78767673
But that's objectively wrong. Moon Knight is the best series Marvel put out post NOw

>>78772374
For real though, in what ways is the Islamic aspect of Ms Marvel expressed? I'm curious, but I don't have the attention span to read this whole series. Does she have a defined superhero world yet, with her own lair, villains and specific threats she deals with yet?

>>78766312
He's in a fucking costume, that's just part of it. The Nu52 design looks like ass because they listen to such idiotic complaints, there's nothing to balance out the blue and it looks awful.

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>>78771780
Here's a mini story

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>>78762876
>I want the same thing over and over forever
Sorry dude, but I can't relate.

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>>78774082
Traditions are important. The expansive canon and mythology of the characters and their universes is the very aspect that makes them truly unique in the world of fiction. What you don't realize is that by dismantling the tradition, the foundation of the whole castle, you actively are making the characters erode and decay. Making them "modern and contemporary" ruins them, as what is modern now quickly becomes antiquated, and soon you're left with a trail of rotting corpses of reboots and all new all different costumes that have a quickly deteriorating shelf life.

I'm not saying that they should just repeat what has been done forever, but it's important to build upon what has come before, even if you don't like it as a writer. Tell new stories expressing the same principles and ideals. Add to the canon and the history, don't burn it to the ground

>>78763365
>>78762835
Dave Cockrum was a fantastic costume designer.

>>78774327
Honestly pretty lame. Felt like a teenage girl was explaining a text message conversation she had to me.

>>78763403
>How artists don't want to draw that shit all the time is beyond me
It's the folds. Most cape artists are used to just drawing nude bodies with spandex costumes visually pasted over. That's the real reason why they got rid of the leather jackets by Quitely.

>>78774082
So you support the current trend of "Ditch almost everything about a character, including their design, personality, and history, but give their powers and name to someone else?"

>>78764215

Hm, you know, I think there's a word for headbands made out of metal...

>>78764244

Those are OTK boots, not stockings...

>>78770276

She's a really bad rip-off of Starfire

>>78777096
She's a newborn who can barely say words.