Will we ever see this costume again? Looking back on it, it's actually a really well done superhero costume. I think it's the minimalism of it with the sash that makes it stand out. The waist sash is a pretty unique garment in this context
Her new one doesn't have the same appeal
And as far as complaints that it shows too much skin or whatever, it's really no more revealing than Colossus's classic costume
She was always the best supporting cast type Avenger. She never really worked as the star of her own book, but as the team bruiser she was great. She's meant to be a part of a team ensemble
I hate how narrow the bottom of her leotard became.
Speaking of costumes they need to bring back, they need to give Storm the white costume permanently. It's striking as fuck visually.
How artists don't want to draw that shit all the time is beyond me
I disagree, it's generic and boring. There isn't much to it that makes her stand out in any considerable way, it's completely forgettable. It's better than her current design though.
Same with Power Man. His steel headband, wristbands and chain belt were his distinct costume features, and it makes no sense taking those away. I understand retooling it, but you have to keep those features intact
It's a headband, not a tiara. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills sometimes, wearing a steel headband is fucking cool. Not only is it cool, but it's very distinct and makes Power Man stand out in the little head shots Marvel always put in the corner of the cover.
It's this attitude towards superheroes that you're displaying right now that ends up ruining them. Power Man and his whole world of mercenary heroics and eccentric street crime is cool as hell, but nobody can see that potential
I seriously don't even see how it's sexualized or whatever they say about it. Seeing a womans upper thigh isn't really that big of a deal if you've ever been on or around a beach or have seen a woman wear shorts
Her current costume's perfect for her, I just wish they'd kept its color darker.
I've jerked off more to Catwoman in a fully covering body suit than I have to Carol in her leotard. Men usually aren't super aroused just from seeing a womans upper thigh exposed
this is the closest we got/will get
I prefer the blue-red suit, but in terms of what's over-sexualized, the outfit often matters less than the artist. Lopez's Carol looked great but then she'd show up in some Avengers and her clothes might be drawn as body paint. The leotard was alright in her original solo but went to extremes around Civil War.
All that bothers me on the latest design is the absurd pouchifying of the sash. It was always there for style, and if Miles can pull an entire burger out of his skintight suit in the middle of Secret Wars, Carol can have invisible pockets.
Also the Cap Carol books are good reading and if you don't agree you're wrong
Way too much hoopla is made about how "appropriate" various costumes are. If someone has supernatural powers who cares what they're wearing? they can still kick my ass.
If I make a comic it's going to have the main characters shirtless all the time and there's noting you can do about it.
I disliked the sash. It broke up the outfit's symmetry too close to her body's center. I think assymetrical accessories should be placed further from the body, like Spawn's column-boot thing, or War-Machine's shoulder vulcan.
It's about intent. The old Ms Marvel costume was revealing skin to be sexy, the Colossus costume is revealing skin to show he's a giant Russian made of metal.
Really, this >>78762943 is a better comparison.
That particular incarnation of Namor was probably power fantasy, sure.
Namor's depiction has evolved into being mostly man-cheesecake for female fans, as /co/ sure as hell knows. Not saying it's a bad thing, just that Namor's audience shift (as well as that of other characters like Doctor Doom, Thor, or Loki) is something to be aware of when using him as an example.
It deserves neither hate nor praise. Its greatest sin is that its the blandest, most uninteresting comic that Marvel has put out in years. There's nothing good about it.
Were it not for all the circlejerking over it (both positive and negative), it would just be yet another completely forgettable mediocre cape comic in a long history of forgettable mediocre cape comics.
No. It just makes no sense(for someone who grew up around normal humans and normal human style of dress and has super speed) and looks ridiculous for him to look like he doesn't know how to dress.
It's only bad in the sense of how mediocre, bland and forgettable it is. It's not actually bad though, it'll just feel like you wasted time reading it if you were to read it.
Most of the negative criticism from /co/ comes more as a reaction to the insane hype and praise from Marvel(and twitter, etc).
They all make sense and look cool. His headband reflects that he's hard as steel mentally, not just physically. He's cold and hardened outwardly in his line of work as a mercenary
Maybe it's uncomfortable without hair to wear the headband, looks like it just sits tightly on there
To be fair, its only empowerment if the cosplayer is a fat pig.
Speaking of, is the new Ms Marvel any good? I hear people saying it's fantastic
It's not even remotely that good. It suffers from pacing problems, some shitty dialogue, overbearing on the muslim thing especially early on, and a reliance on memes. Having said all that it's one of Marvel's better ones right now.
It's pretty good, I think.
I'm enjoying it a lot. The art is super charming, and crammed full of background gags.
I love shit like that.
The characters are pretty believable as people, and while being religious, aren't in-your-face about it, aside from the real-life realities of day-to-day practice of it.
Your mileage may vary.
This is the internet--Find a download and give a few issues a go.
I ain't no snitch.
Man, Power Man is so fucking cool, and I feel like Marvel already ruined him
The guy even has his own signature sound effect with SKRAKOWWW that everyone always seems to forget
Does it ever go past trying to portray day to day "real life" interactions, and trying to make all of the characters believable as "real people"? Superheroes are supposed to be exceptional and unique individuals with lives that are anything but ordinary.
If only they would just stop fucking with her hair
I like classic superhero archetypes. It's called variations on a theme. The whole alter ego dynamic of a superhero is tailor made for exploring psychological concepts of identity and the unconscious interacting with the conscious mind. These characters project some aspect of themselves outwardly in an idealized form.
I'm not even being pol here. I've done cursory reading of the Quran myself and I know that it's a cool story. It's just that the entire belief system hinges on the teachings of Mohammed, yet everyone gets all upset when you talk about him.
It would be almost bizarre if so much of the book is about her Muslim family, yet they never talk about their prophet
I generally hate that trend. They wouldn't wear it for so long if they hated it. Like that panel where Wonder Woman mocks her normal outfit. It only works with like Black Canary mocking her brief 80s outift.
To make it clear, I'm honestly not even remotely anti Islam. I understand the religion from a perspective that the vast majority of non Muslims never will.
For example, it's incomprehensible to most people who see with modern eyes, but there are many prominent and positively portrayed women in the Quran. Mohammeds first wife Khadija who was 15 years older than him, was an extremely successful and wealthy merchant who rose Mohammed to high status in society, which he owed a lot of his success to. Then of course there is the very controversial Aisha, who despite marrying Mohammed when she was 9 grew to be one of the most important figures in Islam, said to be scholarly and intelligent, becoming one of the most prominent writers in Islamic matters.
I just am wondering if this Ms. Marvel book is written by somebody who understands Islam enough to write an Islamic person, or if it's just aesthetics
The author is a white western convert to Islam, I imagine she's read and cares a great deal about the book.
To actually add on, too lazy to find the interview, but Amanat mentioned it was important to her that the character struggle with her religion somewhat.
I misread oops. I thought carol started bad mouthing it somewhere. I like her new outfit but I think the lightning bolt, mask, and hair should stayed generally the same. I can't take Carol seriously with that hair.
Sounds like it could turn into narcissistic diary tier stuff fairly quickly, rather than from the wider perspective
You can imagine all you want, but does she actually care about the Quran? Because I have a feeling that I've defended the depiction of women in the Quran in one post than the entirety of this book. Shit, I bet it doesn't even use imagery conceived from Islamic theology or draw parallels to Islamic mytho-historic chronicles
I think Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow build a very strong case for Emily Blunt
You could read a couple issues instead of telling us about the possibility that you won't like it. Or read the author's non-cape books first. And seriously, 'wider perspective?' What are you looking for, Islamic Evangelion? This book is definitely more about Muslims as people than Islam itself.
It's not supposed to be. She's not a spokesman.
She's an ordinary Muslim girl who lives in Jersey, has a brother who uses religion to get out of getting a job. Visits the masjid on weekends, gets advice from her imam when she needs it and lives her life.
Yeah, this honestly would have been the perfect format for Islamic Evangelion. Have you ever deeply studied religious theology? It stimulates your creativity and expandes the conceptions of reality in your mind to the chaos beyond time and space and back. You're acting like it's a bad idea.
This is really the first time I've ever talked about this character in depth. I'm just curious if the story actually has anything to do with Islam or if it's just the diary of a teenage girl who calls herself Muslim but doesn't actually live it
You aren't supposed to be ordinary if you're religious. You're supposed to be against the grain of society. It's not about being a spokesperson.
Do her Islamic beliefs inform anything in how she lives her life?
You sound like a pedant.
>beyond time and space and back
And like a pretentious asshat.
>if it's just the diary of a teenager girl who calls herself Muslim
You've probably be describing a few hundred million people by whatever metric you used right there and I doubt they'd appreciate the summation.
If they were especially devout/orthodox they likely are not going to be reading comic books.
Who would this book you were proposing be written for?
It's a cute teen book about a Muslim-American girl. I don't get why you think it should be some grand treatise on the Islamic faith. That's like expecting a Daredevil comic to be an intense meditation on Catholicism or reading the Fantastic Four for Ben Grimm's insights into Judaism.
There's no pretense with me here. Spiritual theology is an extremely expansive field of thought that lights a fire in your mind creatively. The audience of any story should be found naturally just by the nature of who it speaks to.
I'm just pointing out that it would have been far more interesting and a greater experience of discovery if the story actually drew parallels to Islamic writings and historical events, in addition to using imagery from Islamic theology
It's funny that you say that, because the definitive Daredevil story is filled with spiritual themes and Catholic imagery. Matt Murdock has his religious beliefs interwoven through the very heart of his character. Is that the same with Ms Marvel?
Reading Born Again, you could come to understand a Catholic view of the human condition. Can you come to understand an Islamic world view of the human condition reading Ms Marvel, or is it ultimately just showing us the world view of a teenage girl, with her being Muslim amounting to little but a gimmick?
>would have been far more interesting and a greater experience of discovery
to YOU. the creators made the book they wanted to make, for an apparently different audience. there's a point when you have to accept that sometimes people like what you don't like and that difference does not necessitate inferiority on either side
Sure, but I'm already on this train of thought and it has no brakes. This is Marvel comics we're talking about here, the universe that contains Jim Starlins Adam Warlock cosmic landscape. There comes a point where a diminutive teen slice of life book isn't living up to the potential of the medium.
This character is the inheritor of the Captain Marvel line of titles. I think mind bending Islamic theology expressed in cosmic Marvel is in order here
Lovely costume. Simplistic, minimalist design with some nice complimentary colours. The exposed thick thighs gave it a sexy feminine each edge.
I have no idea why they decided to drop it, or why covering up the female body like it's shameful has become feminist. Maybe I'm just too old to get it.
For real though, in what ways is the Islamic aspect of Ms Marvel expressed? I'm curious, but I don't have the attention span to read this whole series. Does she have a defined superhero world yet, with her own lair, villains and specific threats she deals with yet?
He's in a fucking costume, that's just part of it. The Nu52 design looks like ass because they listen to such idiotic complaints, there's nothing to balance out the blue and it looks awful.
Traditions are important. The expansive canon and mythology of the characters and their universes is the very aspect that makes them truly unique in the world of fiction. What you don't realize is that by dismantling the tradition, the foundation of the whole castle, you actively are making the characters erode and decay. Making them "modern and contemporary" ruins them, as what is modern now quickly becomes antiquated, and soon you're left with a trail of rotting corpses of reboots and all new all different costumes that have a quickly deteriorating shelf life.
I'm not saying that they should just repeat what has been done forever, but it's important to build upon what has come before, even if you don't like it as a writer. Tell new stories expressing the same principles and ideals. Add to the canon and the history, don't burn it to the ground
>How artists don't want to draw that shit all the time is beyond me
It's the folds. Most cape artists are used to just drawing nude bodies with spandex costumes visually pasted over. That's the real reason why they got rid of the leather jackets by Quitely.
So you support the current trend of "Ditch almost everything about a character, including their design, personality, and history, but give their powers and name to someone else?"