>>78752358 >All the physical rewards except for some cards and stuff are almost finished and being sent out to backers soon. After all that she'll probably start updating the comic again. >Almost >Soon So in another year?
>>78752358 >Soonish. All the physical rewards except for some cards and stuff are almost finished and being sent out to backers soon. Where are you getting this information, I can't find it anywhere online. Do you know the creator?
Incentives of physical property for continued success of free, digital media was a mistake.
It's nothing but trash.
But seriously though, something's gotta give. People are going to have to realize that it's better to just give the author the money they need and expect nothing from it but the fact the financial security will keep creation on the rails they were on. Putting books together is a fucking nightmare. I've seldom heard of it going really well for the creator.
>>78763426 >Putting books together is a fucking nightmare. I've seldom heard of it going really well for the creator. I know of tons of webcomic books that have been put together and sold successfully by their creators, kickstarter after kickstarter. Basically it takes a responsible and hard working type of person to pull it off, and if they do it well once you know they have what it takes to keep up with it for the next book.
Michelle does not fall into this category of people, this is her second Kickstarter that she's left hanging like this.
>>78763497 >speculation derived from other information That. On January first she put out an update about damaged cards she received and how she's looking for a different printer to make them since she didn't want to send out damaged crap. She also mentioned that they were beginning on getting the speed pact orders out, which is the first phase of shipping physical goods. Assuming (keyword here) they get stuff shipping out regularly, I could see everything being finished and shipped by the end of February. She then has the animation she needs to assist with, but I would venture a guess that updates to the comic will start again around spring.
>>78763610 >Basically it takes a responsible and hard working type of person to pull it off, and if they do it well once you know they have what it takes to keep up with it for the next book. It also takes a huge ass chunk of time that could've been spent just creating the work.
Ashley Cope had a background in PRINTWORK so that made it a lot easier on her.
What if a creator wants to live, but doesn't want to put out a book? What the fuck do they do? It's a huge risk to force on creators across the board.
>>78763584 You don't seem to read a lot of webcomcs then. Kickstarted webcomic books that I have and were delivered without problems:
-Unsounded vol 1 and 2 by Ashley Cope -a Redtail's dream and SSSS book 1 by Minna Sundberg -Namesake vol1 and 2 by Isabelle M. and Megan L. -Digger by Ursula Vernon -A couple of Girl Genius books by the Phoglios -Broodhollow volume 1 by Kris Straub -ReMind volumes 1 and 2 by some guy whose name I can't remember
Webcomic books that I know Kickstarted and were delivered but that I didn't care to get: -a bunch of books by David Willis -The first SMBC collection -Cucumber quests books 1 and 2
And I bet there's many more that I don't know of or can't remember.
>>78763732 >What if a creator wants to live, but doesn't want to put out a book? What the fuck do they do? It's a huge risk to force on creators across the board. Yeah, all those evil people forcing Michelle to make a book, shame on them.
>>78763807 A lot of times the creators end up promising more incentives than are financially viable. And by the end of the kickstarter, they've paid out of pocket. It's rarely talked about, because it's embarrassing.
This is more business knowledge burden than you should put on people who need to be putting their all into honing stories. They've been backed into a corner. A self-fulfilled outright lie of "You need to print a book, to make a living." Print media is overrated. I have a nedroid book I never open. It's not the best way of consuming it, or sharing it.
I'm telling you, it's not just a matter of work ethic. I'm a webcomic artist and I swear to god I still don't know the fucking difference between RGB and CMYK. I really don't have time for all the details.
Am I saying "YOU MADE HER DO THIS"? No. What kind of asshole accuses me of saying that? Oh, this asshole I guess: >>78763866
But, as awhole, be happy with no book existing at all. The greatest prize, is a consistent update schedule. THAT has been taken monumentally for granted.
>>78764204 >A lot of times the creators end up promising more incentives than are financially viable. And by the end of the kickstarter, they've paid out of pocket. It's rarely talked about, because it's embarrassing. So which ones of the creators on the list you're replying to had to pay for the books out of pocket? It's like you have this set notion that it's impossible to make a book and sell it with a profit through Kickstarter so anybody who is disappointed with what's going on with Ava's Demon is an artist-hating monster, but several people on the list were actually able to keep on making comics because of the profits from their Kickstarters AND didn't put their comics on gigantic hiatuses.
>>78764204 So your philosophy is to make excuses for those who don't do their jobs properly or are lazy and to invalidate the work done by those who do put in the effort and succeed at something? Sorry your webcomic isn't doing as great as some others, but it might have something to do with your attitude.
>>78764826 >Don't try to make this more about me than I made it. No, this thread is about you now. Please post your webcomic, you talked shit about the Nedroid book, I want to see what caliber of stuff you're putting out.
Next step is getting people to believe in paying me for the service I was doing pro bono, due to the slow shambling undeath of the physical comic book industry (in the americas, not in france or japan) that didn't change my inner flame to create stories to weave worlds.
>>78765140 >Next step is getting people to believe in paying me for the service I was doing pro bono Your patreon isn't taking off, huh?
>my inner flame to create stories to weave worlds. If you're the writer of your webcomic then that's your problem right there. I know a lot of terribly written webcomics make decent bucks on Patreon but you're still fighting an uphill battle.
>>78765328 I don't see why you're trying to turn this evil. Can't we just talk?
If you want serious non-snarky answers: I have not created a Patreon yet. Most people would say "There's no reason not to start one immediately" and I disagree.
From what I've seen, (and I'm going to mix metaphors here) an empty jar is more likely to stay empty for awhile. The sight of rolling tumbleweeds is kinda unnerving. It's better to build some water pressure before swinging the valve open. So I bide my time, waiting on the right moment. It's not here yet.
To make my comic the best it can possibly be, does need money. But to continue making it as it is, requires no money at all--Except living expenses. Which are paltry, and not being paid by myself (thanks mom.) 1.1k a month. That's all I would need to create my comic indefinitely. But if I were to hire assistants, or create a more immersive experience (musical, animated; webcomics are capable of anything and I've had a lot of ideas to throw people for a loop), the milestone would be triple or quadruple that. But I don't actually know the numbers. And I think it would be shitty to change them halfway in. It seems unfair to the patrons.
I love the idea of patreon. And I do believe in Iwata's blue ocean strategy. But I think it unwise to just start one until you've gotten some hype.
>>78765623 Well, that's the most sensible post you've typed in this thread so far. Good luck with your comic.
Just don't rag on other webcomic creators who have thrown themselves into the challenge of Kickstarting books and who them finished the job in a respectable manner, it makes you seem petty an jealous as a fellow creator.
>>78765762 >Just don't rag on other webcomic creators who have thrown themselves into the challenge of Kickstarting books and who them finished the job in a respectable manner, it makes you seem petty an jealous as a fellow creator. I haven't.
I just think it's a TERRIBLE idea for people who aren't deadsure about the process!
>>78773587 Or, y'know, because there still isn't an update and there's no new information aside from the cards being fucked up and needing to be reordered. If/when it updates again, feel free to make a thread. This one is just a lot of speculation with very little to discuss.
>>78767709 I don't think the books got damaged, I think it was some of the extra reward cards. But I don't have access to the backer updates so i only know what some anons vaguely posted in these threads.
I'm going to buy book two to go along with my copy of book one but I have one small complaint of volume one. My copy had a slight scratch on the spine were I can see the white underneath the spine covering. And it happened just from my running my nail over it.
>>78777659 >>78780739 Jesus christ how can a company deliver this with a straight face? Even if she probably still made the mistake to trust a "literally who" cheap offer, this is beyong bullshit. Like, thee thing youd expect to see in a spongebob gag.
>>78779258 >but I have one small complaint of volume one. My copy had a slight scratch on the spine were I can see the white underneath the spine covering. And it happened just from my running my nail over it. So you yourself scratched up your book and now you want to make an official complaint about it? Kinda entitled, man.
>>78780739 >In the mean time, we're going to start sending out the speed pact orders
I'm one of the fools who paid for a speed pact package because the estimated delivery was set as May last year. Slightly disappoint with my purchase. But lesson learned, first and last Kickstarter that I join.
>>78788947 You seriously believe the printing company drenched the cards in water before sending them? Water damage, scratches and bending of items typically happens when the packages are mistreated in transit, which judging from the pictures they were.
>>78763732 >What if a creator wants to live, but doesn't want to put out a book? What the fuck do they do? Obtain employment like all the other special snowflakes out there, or get a Patreon. Otherwise let her fucking eat her talent, it must be nourishing right
>>78790304 >They probably have a panicked face. Really sad that they let it happen, but unable to reverse the flow of time to make it right. Or, she had the shit printed in China where no one gives a single fuck if a product they make explodes into flaming HIV infected bees
>>78791830 Which is why those things are supposed to be shrinkwrapped inside but again, you trusted online printers instead of leaving your fucking house and talking to someone you'd have to pay more in return for accountability
>>78795649 >China is the largest and darkest tyranny that has ever existed, and it exists right now, and we do nothing about it. Go back to Tumblr, that's the place where you're supposed to complain about how "we" "do nothing" about things you don't personally like.
If it bothers you so much go ahead and do something.
>>78796819 >>>78795649 (You) >>China is the largest and darkest tyranny that has ever existed, and it exists right now, and we do nothing about it. >Go back to Tumblr, that's the place where you're supposed to complain about how "we" "do nothing" about things you don't personally like. >If it bothers you so much go ahead and do something.
>>78797848 >Also, didn't she have a meltdown and leave social media after people were mean to her? People here on /co like to say that that's the main reason for this whole hiatus, but as per what she's written herself she's just been busy with life (got married and celebrated a new niece) and didn't feel like working too much.
>>78797848 She left Tumblr for a brief period because the fucking troglodytes on that site were screaming for her head over the contents of the first two pics in >>78803075 , as well as one character in the comic teasing another over being a virgin.
Then a bunch of people from /co/ of all places who weren't total fucknuggets got together and sent her a bunch of support and appreciation messages as a counter to the frothing bullshit of Tumblr.
Now she's back on Tumblr and I think she's basically learned to just tune-out all the puritanical, fickle children.
>>78813308 >Her actual site went down like she was purging it and quitting. Oh, that was because the tumblrites in question actually went so far as to DDOS her site. And as a result, her shitty webhost charged her for all the bandwidth that was used.
>>78814913 >being a fan of this must be suffering Eh, I just forget about it until there's a kickstarter update. I skim it to see if the comic is coming out of hiatus, if it isn't I forget about it again.
Look, I agree with the general ideals of social justice but the tumblrite troglodyte version is not it. They're just braindead bullies out for attention. The only logical and sane response to them is to try to ignore them. If it gets to the level it did here, with actual DDOS, the tumblrites should be found and punished. Made to pay for bandwidth, arrested for harassment. These are flat-out bad people who only do harm to the causes they claim to care about (but they don't actually, they just want attention and excuses to attack, torment, and hurt people).
>>78820836 >I agree with the general ideals of social justice
Heh, and I bet you're the sort of idiot who thinks Communism is a perfectly awesome form of government, and all those incredibly fucked up places where it went so incredibly fucking bad just did it wrong.
Social justice goes back to the crazy idea that the few people who weren't born aristocrats might deserve basic human rights, numbnut. Expanding that to everybody isn't nuts, it's basic common sense. Unless you'd be happy being born a serf (slave) and being tied to the land forever and at the disposal of your Lord, you've got crazy "progressive" ideas to thank.
That's what it's become, but since the ideas are thousands of years old (at least) and say the Civil Rights Movement started way before the Internet, obviously it wasn't always that way. That's just the bitchy mentally ill preteen/tumblrite version of it.
>>78821020 >>Now she's back on Tumblr >What the fuck, why?! You really thought she left Tumblr because she realized what a cesspit it is? She was queen Tumblrina, complete with starting drama about other people herself, well before she started Ava's Demon and she's built her whole fanbase there. She "left" because she apparently couldn't handle the Tumblr drama when it got directed at her for once, and now she's back because that's her home on the internet.
You'll see, next time some childish teenage girls complain about her comic like this again she'll throw a similar fit, make a big show about it and "leave" again, complete with long blog posts about how she's never coming back.
>>78823645 >You really thought she left Tumblr because she realized what a cesspit it is? She was queen Tumblrina, complete with starting drama about other people herself, well before she started Ava's Demon and she's built her whole fanbase there.
Wow, really? First I've heard of this, but seeing as she cut her teeth in the Homestuck fandom before she went original, I can't say I'm surprised, either.
>>78823645 no no no no and no. She left tumblr for a while because not only was she being harassed but her fans were being harassed. Anyone who defended her would get bullied. The tags were filled with nothing but Michelle is a racist/ableist whatever the fuck. She was being branded a pedo to the point of actual other professional artists avoiding her because they thought the rumors were true. As in the way of tumblr, everyone takes a few lines of text as fact. The obsessive bullies were incredibly intrusive to her actual life that she needed a break.
>>78832687 Yes, but manipulating children with fiction is something you can do with any fiction, not just loli hentai.
Fuck, you could convince children that they actually need to fear the big bad wolf eating grandma because it says so in a book and you can explain to them that this is just a normal thing. That excuse is flimsy as fuck.
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