Seriously, he only had Jeff Lemire. All the other creative teams for him have been shit.
>i never fucking read Longbow Hunter: the post
Duly noted with Catwoman but Teen Titans have been garbage for so long now (even before the New 52 I mean, stretching to the fucking 90's) that I feel best to just disqualify them as a result.
>All the other creative teams for him have been shit.
read some Grell kid
>Isn't New 52 as a whole just a massive mishandling of DC characters in general?
No Green Arrow has been mishandled before Nu52.
We literally have not had a good writer since maybe Meltzer or even Dixon or Grell.
>he's being written by scott lobdell
Better than being written by Eric Wallace
at least now he has two arms, isn't addicted to heroin, and a non-existent daughter instead of a dead daughter
There's a common criticism of saying something is "written for the trade" which I find absolutely bullshit because everyone then complains i the trades aren't neatly collected full story arcs anyway, however, this is a huge problem for Lemire as he always paces his stories in 4-5 issue arcs specifically for one trade and he pretty much wraps them up tightly without a need for follow up.
To go more in depth, I though he struck gold with The Outsiders, having a large supporting cast which you can use sporadically is great, but Lemire fails to flesh out the clans well enough, it's just a leader and some nameless canon fodder, furthermore, the leaders are never fleshed out. The shield guys get sent out to fight Ollie and Shado but they're quickly handled, then their leader shows up and he gets rekt just moments later and never heard from again. The spear guy never gets fleshed out and is used for a cheap "SURPRISE TWIST' death, and he's killed very easily in front of his entire clan and they don't react at all. The arc ends with The Outsiders pretty much getting rekt instead of playing them up more and building them and fleshing the characters and clans more for a big finale down the road in a few years.
Shado pretty much does nothing for the entire run except job
Oliver's backstory gets changed up for a "SURPRISE TWIST" with his dad and since we're talking about cheap, revealing him to be alive all this time only to die a few issues later in the most generic heroic sacrifice scene ever is...incredibly cheap.
Richard Dragon was cool and built up nicely but then his backstory is revealed and he's a whiny bitch mad that he saw his loser dad get his ass handed to him. Oh and he ends up being defeated by "the power of friendship". No, really.
Maybe you just like bad writers? His dialogue is great and so is his narration boxes. I'm surprised at how reserved he is and how much he lets the pictures tell the story without no words at times.
His plotting skills and pacing is iffy, but his words are great.
>His dialogue is great
Ummm... no. He just writes empty metaphors that are full of shit, and then throws in buzzwords like "privilege" and "racist" just so he can call his book political
Percys narration boxes feel like its trying really hard to mimic Millers at times, which doesn't suit Oliver at all.
Or rather it would we saw Olivers more rash and impulsive side at time. He tries to portray that part mostly through dialogue but dialogue is pretty rare in his run due to it being mostly narration driven, as he wants to keep a small cast.
I remember there were some people on here who seemed to want this one to be good because they got Kreisberg off the book and seemed to be straying away from turning the comic into Arrow but it was not to be and it's still shit anyway.
I guess Teen Titans and the LOSH, in the 80's they were both giants and rivals to Marvel's Uncanny X-men.
Now look at them, the only Teen Titants people care about are the 2003 cartoon and nobody except Paul Levitz and Jeff Lemire give a shit about the Legion
I remember reading the first issue, and thinking it had potential, with Oliver returning to being a sreet level social activist. Then the second issue came in which Ollie got bored at a meeting and accidentally contracted dozens of fascist tentacle machines that go around maiming minorities, and I realized it was so stupid that it's hilarious.
It's almost like the ASBAR of Green Arrow. Hammy dialogue that takes itself seriously, and great panel art.
Oh yes, now that is a really spot on analogy I think. Really the saving grace of this run has been Patrick Zircher but not even his art is enough to save Ben Percy's terrible writing. You can only do so much to polish a turd.
Yes, I suppose you have to take the good with the bad when it comes to these things.
If Aquaman's movie finally convinces DC to print his 90's run in trades it'll be all the sweeter.
Yes, I think in general Aquaman has been generous with creative teams in my opinion.
I think I loved it for a number of reasons
>I'm new, so not a great deal to compare it to
>I love quality world building, both authors crammed so many seeds for future stories and characters
>I love the non-drama relationship between Aquaman and Mera
>I love how it changed my opinion on the character
There was no world building in Parker's run. There was in Johns but he left too early until he did enough. PAD's run remains the best because he actually fleshed out the world of Atlantis but it's missing Mera and the art can at times be crappy(at times it's quite great too though)
actually there was. the various worlds that were connected to atlantis including gorilla city and pacifica would all be considered world building as would be establishing the political nature of atlantis and the atlantean and their outright xenophobia.
>There was no world building in Parker's run
>The linking of Atlantis sister cities, one being conquered by Gorillas.
>Atlantis being a sentient city
>Ancient Giant protective beasts
>Ancient giants that warred with Gods
>The elitist Atlantis underworld, with citizens who have physically evolved smaller lungs because they stay down so much
>The new city founded by Mera's would be assassins.
>The libraries of Atlantis
I just see that as being plenty of seeds for future arcs. We could have aquaman use the warp tablets to travel new lands. Solovar team ups, Flash team ups vs Grodd, war against the newly created cities.
This isn't without mentioning the hints dropped everywhere about lost Atlantis knowledge (how the warps work, how did the city become sentient). They could have huge arcs discovering that stuff.
Nobody's known what to do with him since the 80's besides making him even more of an "Evil Batman"
Ah, true. I'm fighting to think of a good story Deathstroke was in recently where he was the main character, so like Forever Evil doesn't count for example.
His ongoing is currently one of the worst books DC is publishing today. Even Green Arrow is not as bad as Deathstroke has become.
I'm not gonna lie, it amuses me how Deadpool has gotten a second wind after Daniel Way and is now the best he's been in a very long time while Deathstroke continues to reach new lows with narily any end in sight.
Well, in the sense that five years ago Green Arrow was shit and now nothing has changed that would be correct. Although, that statement does not apply to every DC book across the line.
Hey man, I loved Connor Hawke when he was the main character. It was hilarious when Dixon got pissy at everybody assuming he was gay and had to write a ghost woman story to set the record straight.
Why does most of /co/ hate red hood
Because making him a hero was retarded, and pretty much dumbed down any effect the character could have had. Then you get the whole chosen one bullshit with Lobdell
Actually most of /co/ likes Damian since he's Morrisons baby
Would he be more liked if he was introduced in the modern times?
>I bet if Morrison started writing Quentin Quire, many people would say how awesome is pink-haired moron.
Morrison created Quentin Quire and he wrote Quientin as a likable character because he was a nerdy kid pretending to be tryhard edgy kid to impress a girl and fucking everything because he happened to be a mutant and was high on drugs. Then Aaron brought him back and just wrote him as a tryhard kid as his default character point, missing the point entirely like always when it comes to writing Morrison characters.
Because it's popular to do so.
>Because making him a hero was retarded, and pretty much dumbed down any effect the character could have had.
Making him a hero made sense, because otherwise Batman looked like a fucking tool for letting him run free and not putting him in jail. And it's far better use of him, you can use him more in different ways now than you did when he was just mad at Batman. He's fun as hell as a superhero version of the odd couple when he's teaming up with Roy and his interactions with the Bat-family now that they've kissed and made up has been one of the higher points of the Nü52 Bat-books.
I really liked him in Final Crisis, when he basically follows the Justice League around, helping them even though they ask him to leave. Green lantern points a giant green arrow at him and makes fun of him, belittling green arrow's abilities. i like that he is a corporate piggie too
Which is exactly what got Jason dead, being compared to Dick. Naturally he would fall short.
It's even worse and a more crowded field than it was in the 80's when they killed him off. Trying to find a niche in this swarm of locusts would be next to impossible, Jason would be vilified as Harper Row has been as being forced into the fandom by stealing the spotlight from more deserving characters.
Yeah people want what they had when they first started reading.
Hell, when Steph as Batgirl first happened, people were largely throwing a fit because of how Cass stopped being Batgirl. Now everybody has just forgotten that because those that bitched about it left or got over it, and Steph is considered one of the best Batgirls now. Same with Damian as Robin.
Not anymore, no.
The ideal batfamily seems to be Alfred, Bruce, Dick, Jason, Tim,
Cass,Damian, with Barbara and Steph on the side to serve as girlfriends to the Robins. And Jim.
Azreals, Onyx, Harold, Harper and Cullen, Duke, etc don't even enter the scene.
Deathstroke becomes Deadpool becomes Harley Quinn becomes Gwenpool becomes Red Hood?
That's what I mean. Combination of that and not muh Robin sealed the deal.
I'm taking your ideal Batfamily but I'll just add Julia Pennyworth.
Ben Percy is doing okay. His Detective two-parter was great, but as to GA its been a mixed bag.
>Fascist robot stuff: 8/10
>Mexico stuff: 2-4/10
>Werewolf stuff: Too early to judge, but shaping up to be about 7-8/10
There are so many series that are way shitter.
>Hell, when Steph as Batgirl first happened, people were largely throwing a fit because of how Cass stopped being Batgirl.
No, it was more about Steph put into a role that didn't fit her, because people largely liked her as an underdog who barely could jump a ledge, etc. Making her Batgirl took away everything that made her special and replaced it with a generic blond Bat-character. It was also incredibly lazily done because they just pulled a time skip bullshit so she just magically got better fighter because lol training montage, etc. And finally the way the handing down the cowl was done was dumb as fuck, Cass just shoves it to her and fucks off. It was really, really bad.
People hated Damian initially because he was a little shit, and that was kind of the point, he was a spoiled brat. From Batman #666 onwards people warmed up to him because he started to have character and was a lovable dick.
>GA will never interact with the Justice League again
Because he's had one decent story and nothing else.
His best story post-UtRH is when Grant Morrison used him to show how stupid "edgy punisher Batman" was
Which then caused Judd Winick to have a panic attack, and do everything he can to try to make Jason "sexy" again
And then New 52 happened, and he was handed off to DC's worst writer
They want Jason in the batfamily so he'll sell more but don't know what to do with him. Dick is probably the least offensive batcharacter out there nowadays so it just makes sense to just use that.
Pretty much the only unique thing about Jason is shooting people and drinking all the time. Though some writers have been making Dick do the latter for some reason ever since he became a spy.