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Bendis broke the universe edition
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>>78730518
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>>78730518
>Bendis
>Not Hickman
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>>78730528
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>>78730518
Bendis?

Bendis broke the universe?
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>>78730548
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>>78730571
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>>78730581
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>>78730599
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>>78730613
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>>78730635
>>78730535
here you go
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>>78730571
Someones going on trial
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>>78730654
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>>78730672
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>>78730684
It's this guy!
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>>78730707
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>>78730722
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>>78730741
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>>78730758
I didn't even know MAC could open portals this way. Is that a new thing?
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>>78730796
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>>78730816
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>>78730796
Man up Chavez black bolt busted a huge ass hole in the universe with less trouble.
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>>78730816
aaand that's it
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>>78730816
>>78730825
It is at this point that you realize this is a Blue marvel and friends comic.
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>>78730654
Hey someone finally decided to address Bendis fuzzy abuse of the spacetime continuum! Bully for them!
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>>78730654
Wait when did Ben turn into a pirate?
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>>78730654
feels like this book is trying to go for the same big scope as hickmans new avengers but it's kinda like we just did that.
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>>78730658
DINDU NUFFIN IT COZ DEY BLACK
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>>78730946
Fantastic Four #5

He's Blackbeard in the Marvel universe. No really.
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>>78731049
Better him than Logan.
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>>78730581
Carol's hair ALREADY cannot stay consistent between two titles
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>>78730707
jesus another spitback
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>>78730969
except this is just sort of off to the side and doesn't need big events to make big changes
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>>78730825
Anti-Man vs Death Sentry rematch fucking when
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>>78730518
>carol in the back
WHERE SHE BELONGS.
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>>78730548
>>78730571
>Smasher
>no ass shot
What's even the point?
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dat ass. Too bad about the text placement.
Everyone in this book is beautiful, even Blue Marvel.
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shit i havent read 2 yet

anyone got a link?
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>>78730613
>pissing off Gladiator
It's like you WANT Earth to get invaded.
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>>78730581
Rocafort's butch Carol is great

Makes up for Molina's weirdly thin mohawked Carol over in A-Force
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>>78730571
>>78730613
When are they going to get reamed for fucking with Galactus when he's needed to eat worlds so the energy keeps abraxas sealed and the whole release in all at the end of the universe for a new big bang.
You'd think him going around and using that shit up would be slightly bad.
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>>78731729
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/ewings-ultimates-transform-galactus-travel-outside-the-known-marvel-universe

> I will say that I consider Abraxas, a cosmic bad 'un who popped up when Galactus died once, to be out of the equation -- when I re-read the end of that particular story on Marvel Unlimited, it looked like Franklin [Richards] had dealt with him on a fairly permanent basis.

>I've never been that sure about the "cosmic balance" anyway, if I'm honest. It feels like ants deciding there must be a very good reason for the anteater to drop by, if only they could figure out what it was.

>Anyway, we'll be dealing with some of this stuff down the line, hopefully in a way that satisfies everyone.
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>>78730672
>>78730684
>America's inner shirt is just a blue strip over her boobs
>lets put her in the back so no one will notice

My dick sees all Rocafort
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>>78731729
Ewing said that Abraxas won't be a problem because the end of his story had him dealt with permanently.
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delicious Monica
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>>78731813
>>I've never been that sure about the "cosmic balance" anyway, if I'm honest. It feels like ants deciding there must be a very good reason for the anteater to drop by, if only they could figure out what it was.
I'm pretty sure Galactus himself said that he'd give back more then he has ever taken and he'd be the source of the next big bang.
I think Mr. Immortal was slated to be that universe's Galactus as well.
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>>78730654
OH! I thought we were just going to ignore Bendis's AoU bullshit.
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>>78730722

>A Cthulhu
>implying more than one
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>>78731912
>>78731813
>shitting on years of cosmic lore
>picking some obscure elements so that autist would think I'm actually caring about continuity

sure, why not
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>>78730707
OH yay! They're using him. That's cool
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>>78730722
So since Hawjeye fought a space Cthulhu the other week, can he join the Ultimates?
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>>78730528
Interesting way of doing recaps, also interesting that they're making their activities public. Imagine news reports
>Welcome to Fact News
>Our top story today, Blue Marvel has anounced that the Ultimates have managed to finally end the threat posed by Galactus, the alien being whose tried to devour the Earth multiple times, and that the entity has now become a restorer of worlds
>We are now joined by Jonathan Storm aka the Human Torch, former member of the Fantastic Four whose faced Galactus several times, and our very own J Jonah Jameson, who to this day still insists that Galactus is a hoax, to discuss this momentous event and its ramifications
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>>78730548
So Smasher is still around. Any word on Cannonball and their baby?
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>>78730880
I'm okay with that. He's a cool dude.
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>>78730707
How did he get recognition? Last time I saw him he had just opened the package with the costume
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>>78730654
>Time is Broken
>Again
Not this shit again.
Also, I'm pretty sure the Kangs do far worse damage to the timestream on a daily basis.
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>>78731813
>>I've never been that sure about the "cosmic balance" anyway, if I'm honest. It feels like ants deciding there must be a very good reason for the anteater to drop by, if only they could figure out what it was.
I agree with him. This is why I can't stand Beerus from Dragon Ball, especially since unlike Galactus he's a petty asshole who doesn't give a fuck
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>>78732221

I don't think they ever fixed time. It's still unclear how Battleworld/Secret Wars fixes anything.
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>>78730796
Is Chavez trying to act like she discovered this place, even though Brashear found it decades before she was even born?
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>>78732332
But it wasn't humans talking about the "cosmic balance". Abstracts were, and besides them Galactus himself. So, yeah - in my book that simply means that Ewing doesn't give a shit about continuity and lore.
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>>78730880
I have no problem with that, Adam is like a cool science dad.
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>>78731219
Sentry's got to finish towing that dead celestial to the ass end of the universe first, he probably didn't even realize that the universe ended and restarted.
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>>78732543
The balance problem is solved now that Abraxas no longer exists.
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>>78732543
>believing Galactus when he says his planet eating is necessary
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>>78732655
>thinking a higher being needs a concept of a lie

I just hope it's Ewing's ruse, and it's gonna backfire horribly.
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>>78730654
Why isn't Immortus dealing with this shit? It's his only job.
Well that and stalking Wanda, but he's been slacking on that too
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>>78730635
>second panel
>hey man you should also draw T'challa and blue marvel
>I've got some space on the right, what about here?
>yeah sure man that's fine just squish them in there somehow
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>>78730880
I thought that was obvious from the first issue.
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>>78732831
Considering where marvel is in relation to carol in the first panel it looks like he suddenly got up and sat in t'challas lap.
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What a good comic.

also want to see Wonder Man and Monica hang out and talk about being energy beings.
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>>78732221
Yeah, kind of weird how Bendis tried to act like the Earth heroes did horrible things to time while ignoring Kang/Iron Lad/Rama-Tut/Scarlet Centurion/Immortus' countless crimes.
He's a category of his own, the Ultimates should go after him
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>>78732221
>>78733065

My No-Prize idea is that Kang/Immortus/etc/etc keep themselves in a stable loop so they don't fuck up time. A cold war across time

no one take that title
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>>78730654
Has T'challa hairline always been that far back
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>>78730658
>shi'ar """""trials"""""
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>>78732654
Technically, he's just chilling in Oblivion's realm, since that's where shit that gets wiped from existence goes.
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>>78730658
>HOW DARE YOU MAKE GALACTUS A FORCE OF GOOD IN THE UNIVERSE. YOU MONSTERS!
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>>78732733
Immortus doesn't really care, not since the time keepers were defeated and the forever crystal shattered. The time variance authority though, those motherfuckers should be doing their job of policing time.
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>>78733415
They sucked anyway. Last time they showed up, they tried to erase She-Hulk from existence, they've never done anything helpful.
Maybe Kang killed them all again.
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>>78733346
I can't see half of these changes actually making a lasting change into canon.

My guess is that the main theme of this book is probably going to be how the Ultimates are trying to solve problems that aren't really there, which in effect destabilizes reality and creates more problems than it solves.

I mean for fuck's sake how many times have they tried to hammer in the idea that Galactus isn't evil, but necessary?
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When did Galactus come back? I thought he got thrown into the negative zone in the ultimate universe.
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>>78732655
That would be true if it was only Galactus and not guys like Eternity and the Living Tribunal vouching for him. In other worlds Ewing is an idiot.

>>78731813
>It feels like ants deciding there must be a very good reason for the anteater to drop by, if only they could figure out what it was.

The ant-eater is fulfilling its function as a predator. Is Ewing this retarded?
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>>78734165
ants don't presume to know why the anteater shows up, though
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>>78732526
Chavez is never surprised by anything ever. She's the ultimate hipster who's heard of everything before anyone else. And she can always sass without any consequence and she wins every fight, verbal or physical with only token effort or cost on her part.
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>>78734157
The Eternals busted him out
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>>78734276
But humans--and all creatures with sapience--do.
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>>78731813
>I've never been that sure about the "cosmic balance" anyway, if I'm honest. It feels like ants deciding there must be a very good reason for the anteater to drop by, if only they could figure out what it was.
But there is a very good reason for the anteater to drop by...
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>>78732526
Pretty sure she commenting on how he hasn't actually been there. He had a theory rather than discovery.
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>>78734165
Well the thing he was necessary for is the thing he is now.
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>>78734454
I, for one, can't stand her. Blue Marvel was similar when he was introduced, got a little better though. .
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>>78730654
So Secret Wars and resetting the universe at least 2 didn't fix shit when it comes to space time?

Holy War Secret Wars really was pointless
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>>78734647
it's a metaphor you retard
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>>78730528
>Curing Galactus when he alone keeps the cosmic balance of the universe in order
I really can't even fathom how they were able to rob him of being such a simple, yet crucial character
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>>78734895
It's actually an analogy.

The point I, and others, are making is that it's a bad one.
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>>78734920
>"Galactus keeps cosmic order in balance"
>Ultimate universe functioned fine without a planet eating asshole
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>>78730613

PUCK!

awesome
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>>78735083
Well it was already a failed clusterfuck, perhaps it was left to die without rebirth.

But if so, why Gah Lak Tus recognized Galan momentarily and joined him as the one they needed?
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>>78734920
>>78735083
And if this storyline is to be believed then the only reason Galactus ate planets in the first place was because his cocoon didn't finish developing him.
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>>78735083
The Ultimate Universe was kind of a shitfest. Maybe Galactus ate bad writers
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>>78735397
If only that were true...
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>>78730635
But Hickmans run established Galactus as a universal constant, did Galactus fail to form in every universe so far
>>78731813
If the anteater didn't stop by the ant population would increase, out compete its competitors to the point of extinction, then eat all of its food to the point of extinction, then eventually become extinct themselves. That is a very bad analogy.
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>>78735560
>Hickmans run established Galactus as a universal constant
It was a thing long before Hickman got here, anon.
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>>78730741
Jesus.
>The Superflow
>The Bleed
They really can't get past the menstruation analogies, can't they?
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>>78735346
By that logic, Galactus should have turned into a "butterfly" centuries ago
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>>78735609
My bad, but the point still stands
The answer is "secret wars, i ain't gotta explain shit" isn't it?
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>>78735631
well Superflow was created as a Bleed knockoff, so...no?
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>>78735639
He needed billions more while inside the egg.
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>>78735639
According to >>78730528 he needed iso-8 which only became stable after secret wars.
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>>78730880
That's literally what I wanted it to be
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>>78734454
>a person who has actual traveled between universes knows more about it than people who never
Shit anon I would have never guessed. She was losing fights and being wrong all over vengeance and young avengers. You seem to be making shit up to push the mary sue thing.
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>>78730873
Cool to have an "Additional Reading" included.
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>>78736421
>a person who has actual traveled between universes knows more about it than people who never
How exactly would she know more than a super scientist that studies ultra quantum physics? I could pass through a rainforest but that doesn't make me an expert in botany.
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>>78730707
who? or better when/where was he introduced?
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>>78735793
Is it really a knock-off when they're made by the same person?
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>>78737239
Ant-man Annual #1
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>>78730654
>Mentioning AoU
Oh are we not still just blaming Beast? Cause for awhile that seemed like all we were doing.
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>>78733858
>I can't see half of these changes actually making a lasting change into canon.
Especially because Marvel writers don't give a shit about what other Marvel writers write.
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>>78738032
Beast and Wolverine. At least Wolverine had the courtesy to die.
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>>78738032
Bendis was the only one trying to blame Beast for everything bad going on with time while acting like Kang is no big deal
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>>78738115
It just made me so made cause all the X-men are just blaming Beast when Wolverine is standing right fucking there and him and Sue were the ones that broke time in AoU.
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>>78735639
>By that logic, Galactus should have turned into a "butterfly" centuries ago

He is suppose to become a butterfly at the end of the universe when entropy overtakes everything and he ushers in a new Big Bang and becomes the Eternity of the new universe.
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>>78738648
Galan -> Galactus -> Eternity
Where does Eternity go?
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>>78730880
When was it not Brasheer and bros Anon? When?
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>>78738912
he is the universe, so when the universe dies, Eternity dies
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>>78736974
Because has actually dedicated her life to it. She wasn't just some universal tourist and she is from a place that studied this. It would be like complaining that a Japanese person knows more about japan than a weeaboo. Besides it is not like she is being played as being smarter, just more experienced in this subject.
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>>78739275
>Because has actually dedicated her life to it.
Doing what?
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>>78739275
>>78739322
Blue Marvel has also dedicated his life to it. A significantly longer and smarter life.
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>>78730613
I love the implied "THIS TIME"
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>>78739322
Being and multiversal superhero anon. Similar to how Blue Marvel got retconned into being a famous super hero she got put as multiversal version of that and because she didn't get a legend of Miss America mini we are mostly in the dark about what that entails.
>>78739441
But he never got to actually be out there. I can train all my live to playing the guitar but that won't give me the same experience that an actual musician has. Besides Marvel hasn't been wrong about anything so far. There isn't any reason to be upset that America can match in her on field of expertise.
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This book focuses way too much on Blue Marvel
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>>78730654
How the hell do they know about Evil King Loki?
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>>78739949
maybe they don't and he's just the example Ewing used for the reader
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>>78730883
except they should just go outside Infinity for that.

Going beyond the Neutral Zone isn't necessary.

>>78732655
except it was ETERNITY who gave the galactic council some Cosmic Awareness to understand Galactus' role in the cosmos

>>78732733
Time Keepers died, he's only interested in stalking the Avenger

>>78733415
TVA are probably having meetings about meetings of meeting on meeting about meeting to have meetings to decide how to decide what to do(and who gets the shit if they fail)

>>78734673
I think that's exactly the point.

Also, I'm currently betting on Galactus still going to eat planets, except on a different schedule and\or not completely so life can start anew
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>>78730684
>no one's gone before.
pretty sure everyone in the young avengers, monica included, has been there
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>>78739949
Police reports for property damage get pretty wild.
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>>78735560
>But Hickmans run established Galactus as a universal constant, did Galactus fail to form in every universe so far
Ultimate Universe.

Also, the balancing abstract is a constant, but only in universes where the Abstracts are like the 616(Eternity\Infinity\Death\Entropy). A number of universes don't have them.
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>>78731939
Maybe he's implying he fought more than one Cthulhu from more than one reality.
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>>78740235
no shit
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>>78731939
there's multiple Star-Spawn of Cthulhu. I just blame all his jobbing on being yet another unruly kid getting owned.
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>>78739949
maybe somebody told them?
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>>78740041
That's just Mother's dimension. Not whatever is beyond the Neutral Zone
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>>78740041
YA's is supposed the "space between the universes" not the "space outside the multiverse" in Ultimates
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>>78731987

>being a wikifag

fucking everyone understands that Abraxas is done. Talking about Abraxas as a factor is a sure showing of your wikifaggyness
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>>78730880
I never understand why people like Blue Marvel, considering how he was introduced.
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>>78741654
Me neither. He's a shit character
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>>78741654
Ewig's Mighty Avengers.

It's the exactly same deal as with Silk, introduction is hated, successive use by different authors is liked
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>>78730825
ANTI-MAN, FUCK YES
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>>78733346
>>78733858
probably by making galatus a giver of life they've turned the phoenix into a destroyer of the universe or some other freaky shit like that
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>>78741654
>considering how he was introduced.
I liked his introduction story, fuck you
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>>78743287
I doubt they can use the phoenix.
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>>78743329
This isn't the MCU.
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>>78743287
or
B) Galactus ends up creating an intergalactic super virus
or
C) life being made uncontrollably is gonna quickly turn the place into another cancerverse
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>>78730518
I want Ms. America to fade out of continuity, she's a bad character.
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>>78743758
I just want Patriot and his comfy blandness back
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>>78730581
Kek Monica is tsudere for Rhodey.
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>>78734920
>keeps the universal balance by eating planets with life every now and then otherwise another guy shows up who is the end of the universe except he's not because he gets defeated

come on, it was a ullshit halfassed explanation. This is the chance to explore the matter more in depth and potentially give a more in depth explanation of why galatus is necessary for the cosmic balance
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>>78743783
Patriot is never coming back. The Young Avengers are in the new lego marvel game except Cassie (MCU synergy) and Patriot.
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>>78731939
Well, since Cthulhu is a specific fictional creature, maybe he's using it as a catchall for any elderitch abomination that tries to scrape its way into Earth's plane of existence? Is Shuma Gorath a Cthulhu?
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>>78743873
Gonna have a threesome with Monica transformed into another Carol

and then DPing Carol as another Rhodey
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>>78730654
>It's all Doom's fault!
Suuuure it is, sure.
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>>78743958
He's more of a Yog-Sogoth
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>>78743958

I think Shuma-Gorath might outrank Cthulhu, at least in terms of Marvel Universe power levels.
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>>78730707
Oh fuck off with this shit Ewing.

Did Ewing use this guy because he couldn't use Hank thanks to Remeder's bullshit?
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>>78741654
>>78741955
>>78742110
What is wrong with how he was introduced?
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>>78744114
y u so mad?
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>>78731939
it's like calling a Dracula vampires
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>>78739949

You don't think Chavez has been keeping tabs on Loki since YA?
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>>78730880
Blue Marvel feels like a Black Reed Richards with Superman's powerset to me. Like I don't mind him too much, but I'm not a fan of how he seems like he has a Sentry-ish backstory and is too damn cocky.
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>>78744223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_AViiBbkBw
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>>78744114

Your butthurt over Rage of Ultron is hilarious. But your comment does make me wonder if the Ultimates will look into fixing the Hanktron problem.

Or is there anything to fix?
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>>78744235
How is he even remotely cocky? He's been pretty big on humility in literally every title published.
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>>78744284
>spoiler
There's absolutely nothing and you know it.
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>>78744300
he's a little cocky in this issue
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>>78744209
I'm mad because it's a no name character who unnecessarily got Hank's Giant Man costume when he did nothing to deserve it.
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>>78744300

I think this issue might be the first time I've seen him even approach Reed's level of cocky with America calling him on discovering the Neutral Zone.
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>>78744118
He was introduced as a super-famous hero of the 50s(back a few years ago, not in the 50s), as smart as Reed Richards and more powerful than The Sentry whose only weak point was being ONE NEGROES with super-powers in the 50s. Also, a super-famous and respected super-scientist in his secret identity.


So, yeah. It wasn't introduced well.
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>>78744223
>>78743958

Elder God would be just fine, or Great Old One. Hell Shuma Gorath is a Many Angled One, there's a whole group of things similar to him.
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>>78744307

He is perfect, isn't he?

Finally whole.
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>>78744260
>>78744360
maybe it's just a black people thing
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>>78731353

The potential for future ass shots.
I mean cameos.
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>>78744325
If a character had any actual fame or notoriety, I doubt they'd want to go near any of Hanks identities
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>>78744381
where can I read the Pymtron story?
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>>78730707
I like that Raz is following Hank's lead and expanding into other disciplines.

And it's using the 3 Axes of Pym Particles from the end of FF
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>>78744476
Rage of Ultron OGN

aka the best Avengers story in years.
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>>78744476

I have no idea. Rage of Ultron is the book your looking for, it came out last year around the time Age of Ultron hit theaters.
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>>78744505
there was that Avengers of the Supernatural story in Uncanny Avengers

but that's also by Remender so I don't really know what I'm trying to prove here
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>>78744505
Wrongo.
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>>78744352
The Sentry beat him, what are you talking about? He was also only famous until everybody found out he was black, then everybody hated him whites and blacks alike.
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>>78744533
Pretty much this. The sooner Remender's back to Marvel the better.

>>78744548
>Bendis' decompressed, vapid garbage
>vs. Hickman's decomprssed, thematically inconsistent, what-the-fuck-am-I-even-writing garbage

No, he's pretty right-o, anon.
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>>78744533
>I don't really know what I'm trying to prove here

The loss of Remender was substantial to Marvel Comics and really only leaves us with only Ewing, Pak, Gillen and perhaps Spencer as top-tier writing talent?
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>>78744548

You would suggest an alternative perhaps?
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>>78744630
there's Tom King but who knows if he'll stick around
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>>78744352
I'm not hearing the problem...
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>>78744905
your text reader is malfunctioning
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>>78744905
From nowhere, a "I'm super better than most!!" character is introduced and people in-story fawn about him.

Basically, mediocre introducing miniseries which tried to push it the same way the original Sentry mini did(yes, I know it wasn't supposed), but failing.

>>78744973
good one
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>>78744630
Not really. The real loss was with Captain America right after the first arc with Sam as Captain America just right after Remender had found his footing imo.

Uncanny Avengers went nowhere and became a tool to retcon stuff like Rogue gaining control of her powers and Wanda/Pietro as Magneto's kids.
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I don't mind that Blue Marvel is getting some focus here with the first villain the Ultimates face being the Anti-Man

Black Panther and Carol have their own solos. America does have any villains of her own and Monica did recently face her demons and beat a Beyonder from the Beyond Corporation.
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>>78744630
Duggan and Ellis. Kelly and Weisman are also good (in theory at least).
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>>78744659
Ewing's Ultron Forever.
Art was abit hit or miss, but it was a good Avengers story.
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>>78744630
Robbie Thompson's Silk book is pretty good

And when Soule isn't toeing the company line he can be great
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>>78745267
>Soule
I've hated the last few things he's written but Daredevil has been good so far.
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>>78745078
Black Panther has a solo?

>>78745336
the massive shift after Waid's Fundevil was too brutal for my tastes... I'll give it another try in a month or two.
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>>78746428
BP starts in April

written by someone who has never written comics

or fiction
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>>78746526
Oh, right, now I remember.

Well, I'm all for giving people a chance.
I still think Marvel or DC should hire Umberto Eco, though. What a read that would be, can you even imagine?
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>>78746428
>Black Panther has a solo?
yeah by Ta-Nehisi Coates and Brian Stelfreeze
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>>78746526
He's a fan of comics though. All he talks about on his twitter is political shit and comics
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>>78738912
The energy that is use to assist in the birth of the next universe and its Galactus.
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>>78740165
Don't have them, or we simply never saw them?
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>>78743287
It's already a destroyer of the universe. It eats more people than Galactus constantly since it gorges itself on timelines.
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>>78730654

>Doomlock

>Mentioning X-Factor

Good job
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>>78730548
>that second panel pose
Rocafort is a glorious monster
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>>78730599
>powerwanking monica
Thank god, at long last. She deserves it.
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>>78730548
Oracle comin' down ready to WERK
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>>78730796
>that shit eating grin in panel 6
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>>78746526
Suckin at something is the first step at being somewhat decent at something.
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>>78743783
Someone editorial hates Patriot.
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>>78747741
someone should tell Bendis
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>>78743401
Yeah but Marvel put a ban on all FF and X-men characters in the comics too. That's why all the X-men books have been replaced by Inhumans.
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>>78745336
>but Daredevil has been good so far.

Are you serious.

He basically shit on Waid's run and reversed the whole thing with him being outed and everything.
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>>78744630
Remender was really dumb. I'm glad he's gone.

>the hulk's hulk, KLUH
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>>78750717
>He basically shit on Waid's run
Waid's run was shit and he basically wrote the next writer into a corner with that revealing his identity bs
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>>78750833
You must have missed the entire Bendis run and half of Bru's if you think what Waid did was so horrible.
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>>78750915
it was a running joke. Matt should be in Jail for the shit he did in Bendis run after he revealed his identity in Waid's shit but Waid ignored all that stuff
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>>78750717
>He basically shit on Waid's run and reversed the whole thing with him being outed and everything.
I don't give a shit I didn't read Waid's run. I'm judging solely on the basis of the two issues I did read and that's all I care about.
Besides story>continuity
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>>78730548
>Shi Ar Imperial Guard including Smasher
>>78730613
>Puck from Alpha Flight
>>78730654
>pointing out that the O5 living in the present is breaking causality
>King Loki
>Two Gun Kid
>Blackbeard Ben
>Age of Ultron broke Time and people still mess with it
>Doom Locks
>>78730722
>New gay Giant Man
>Hyper Density Pym Particle formula from FF
>>78730741
The Superflow
>>78730758
The Neutral Zone

Damn that's a lot of continuity and cameos. Ewing really knows how to take all of these different concepts from different writers across the years and fit together into a coherent plot

He's actually using this huge shared universe
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>>78751378
>Big Gay is real and he's a Marvel character
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>>78730581

As a Canadian, I will never not be mildly-but-persistently aggravated by the name Alpha Flight being connected with this. It's never a BIG offense, but it's like this sliver pushed under a fingernail that I can't get out and just keeps ANNOYING.
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>>78751744
It helps a little knowing that actual members of Alpha Flight are there on that station Sasquatch, Aurora, Puck

I'm hoping that Guardian, Talisman, Marrina, and others show up too. I'd ask for Snowbird but I don't think geosynchronous orbit over Earth counts as part of Canada so she can't go.

Plus I do like the idea of Carol working with Abigail Brand who is far more qualified for the job.
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>>78737324

Glad someone pointed this out. I was about to do so, but it's nice to see someone else got it.

Warren Ellis created The Bleed for the benefit of Wildstorm's The Authority, which has since become folded into the cosmology of the DC multiverse. He subsequently created the very-similar concept of the Superflow for his "newuniversal" series for Marvel, which has since been folded into that cosmology thanks to Hickman's Avengers run.
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>>78751848
didn't Snowbird go to space that one time with Hercules
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>>78740041
jesus what the fuck
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>>78740417
>wikifag

yeah, remembering multiple statements ON PANEL is wikifagging, kill yourself, also he never mentioned Abraxas, cosmic balance is something else entirely
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>>78741654
An attempt on black Sentry I suppose. At least BM didn't get Bendis'd amirite
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>>78731353
Rocafort, you haf failed us!

Maybe editorial failed to mention Izzy's good side to him.
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>>78743958
No, the Many-Angled Ones are analogues to some Lovecratian "deities". Lord Mar-vell invoked K'thl (Cthulhu), Nyarlatoreth (Nyarlatothep), Shuma-Gorath (Shub Niggurath probably) and Yot-Soter (Yog Sothoth). I think Brasher is just being witty and uses Cthulhu as a term for "surreal monsters from beyond reality" I don't think this team + Galactus could take any one of the actual M-A Ones.
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>>78752313
Wasn't that like the first thing they did in Mighty Avengers?
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>>78744352
>punch from the orbit

Also, I'd love to see Horseman Sentry somewhere in this series, seems in place, as he's a cosmic entity now.
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>>78751848
Didn't the Canadian gods lift that restriction from her during whole god squad deal back in secret invasion?
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>>78730654
Carol's face bottom of page: so sick of this time travel shit. Last time out she had to beat a cheap knock-off version of herself back to the time machine shaped like a plane. Yeah that could make you jaded.
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>>78745078
Beat a Beyonder? What?
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>>78746640
But all Eco ever wrote is fiction and critical stuff, he 's got experience.
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>>78752075
>>78752348
Yeah but that was just for the duration of that one mission. The Canadian Gods probably wouldn't want their champion living in a space colony way beyond Canada's borders
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>>78750788
>mentioning an editorial-forced event which only purpose was to make Tony evil

good job
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>>78752344
Haven't read it, and after what you said I don't think I will.
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>>78730758
This is the obligatory "let's give Kenneth something cool to draw" page.
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>>78752345
He's busy, it takes a lot of time to fly a three mile high cosmic 'corpse' across the universe.
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>>78752344
They pushed back a sliver of Shuma gorath, and even that took some doing.
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>>78752575
>three mile high

nigga he was actually gonna stand INSIDE the Earth I think he's a bit bigger
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Maybe im being overly anal about this

But is anyone else extremely put off by just how uncomfortably SMUG this team is?

>change the galactic balance without alerting other races
lol they're probably just jelly
>uses arabian giant-man to power their vessel
*pats him on the head* ah, good for you, you're helping see!
"Cool, can I come?"
lol no fight a c'thulu first or something, we're too awesome for you
"o-ok"...
>Mock Doom for allowing time traveling to be a thing
yeah cause when WE decide to change the universe its k

Not to mention with Chavez' uncomfortable amount of overconfidence and Blue Marvel letting his faux sense of 'humility' run rampant, I'm finding few reasons to like this team. Carol/Monica/T'challa are really not doing much for me either
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>>78753108
I mean, they were right about the mission being too much for a rookie

but yes there's probably going to be some hubrisitc ass-biting later on
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>>78753178
I don't think it's entirely fair to give credit of your mission having any hope of success to a guy, and then writing him off as a 'rookie'.

Yeah, he's green, but he just made a shield that makes a spaceship immune to what I assume to be LITERALLY infinite pressure. Even if he can't use it on himself, that sounds like he'd stand a fair chance if he wanted to volunteer his services. Hell I'd say he'd have the right to demand it since it's his device they're using, I assume he just took their word for it but, damn, still strikes me as unnecessarily cocky about themselves to write off a potential helping hand. At the very least they're fucked if something happens to the generator so, go them.
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>>78753236
being good at science-y stuff doesn't necessarily mean you're good at fighting extradimensional beings with your fists

granted, most of the people in Marvel who fight extradimensional beings with their fists ARE good at science-y stuff, but they've also been doing it a while
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>>78753236
>Hell I'd say he'd have the right to demand it since it's his device they're using
engineers are not soldiers, anon. just because someone designed a new tank doesn't mean he's automatically entitled to drive it to the front lines
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>>78753108
Being the most powerful team on earth will do that to you. And the way they handled this Galactus thing I can see why America is keeping tabs.

>>78753178
>>78753236
That's what happens when you are the strongest team on earth.
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>>78753280
>>78753272

Hmm.

In retrospect, this IS exactly what made everything go so fucking wrong in the new Fantastic Four movie when scientists think they're astronauts.

Still, it comes across as incredibly condescending to have this guy soup up your ride and then when he asks to come along, tell him he ain't stronk enough.

I mean, if White Tiger and Power Man could fight off a Cthulhu in Mighty Avengers they're pretty damn green too (C-listers going off of Tony's defintion) so I would trust new Giant Man with a shot.
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>>78753313
Jesus you know Marvel is playing low when this is the strongest team.
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>>78753338
but White Tiger and Power Man unexpectedly fought a Cthulu and had special magic god powers and knowledge

Ultimates are going in expecting a Cthulu or worse, and while Brashear is being a bit of a dick about it, he's right about it probably being too much for a rookie whose primary experience is in science, not magic, to handle
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>>78752376
and the cheap knock-off version of herself was much more interesting then herself!

Also, she doesn't remember that.,
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>>78753380
2 of their most OP living characters, plus African Batman is pretty strong
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>>78753380
Everyone one in the Ultimates is super fucking strong. Only two other teams are stronger and maybe the extinction team.
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>>78753313
>America is keeping tabs
What the fuck is she gonna do pull the plug?
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>>78752404
yes, but Eco going all SEMIOTIC on Marvel would be an interesting counter to Morrison's META on DC.

Mostly because while you need an average knowledge of at least THREE different languages to read a Eco fiction book, he still first and foremost writes a story.
He's basically Italian Alan Moore, except he went into books and not comics and he's not crazy(maybe)
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>>78753446
she's going to talk a big game and get smacked down hard or talk a big game then call the Young Avengers
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>>78753438
New Avengers are probably stronger soley by virtue of POD. MAYBE Wiccan if he feels like not being shit that day and that's a big maybe.
>extinction team.
No way.

Ewing seemed to plan on ramping up Monica's OPness according to interviews which'll be fun to see.
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>>78753446
Well the smart thing to do would since she is the bus more or less would be to leave them in some outerverse.
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>>78753493
Oh shit I can just see her doing that too. Damn. How Batman is T'challa about contingencies?
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>>78753493
oh, sure, great plan.
Remember The Maker? Because that's how we got The Maker.
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>>78753446
She could strand them all in different unfriendly realities

Or she could try brawling with each of them.
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>>78753520
She's not going to steal their sperm or NTR them anon. Just a time out.
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>>78753527
probably going to do that second one
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>>78753532
Luke Cage tried to give Juggernaut time out, and that led to Fear Itself
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>>78753566
No one ever said that America was smart
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>>78753566
It's been a while since I read that travesty, did jugs have something to do with Cul getting out? I thought it was red skull's daughter.
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>>78753611
I think Juggernaut being in time out led to the Raft getting fucked by his hammer when it showed up?
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>>78753611
yeah. Jugg's fear of being in solitary confinement forever (due to pic related) led to him being a prime candidate for a hammer, which nuked the raft
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>>78749407
Then explain the fact that we still have multiple X-Books.
Explain Dr Doom being in Iron Man, Human Torch being in Uncanny Avengers and Inhumans, Cable and Rogue being in Uncanny Avengers, Thing and Kitty Pryde being in GotG and many many other things that contradict your Rich Johnston-tier bullshit.
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>>78730825
Question.
If they're outside the multiverse, doesn't that mean there should be more than one Anti-Man here? One for every reality he was defeated in?
And shouldn't there be more than one team of Ultimates investigating this place at the same time?
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>>78730518

How many books is Carol in? There's this, A-Force, and Spider-woman. I'm assuming she still has her own book. Is she going to be the female Wolverine?
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>>78755749
I believe there is only one America. Her home is also outside the multiverse and there isn't just one place outside the multiverse since there is still the beyonder worlds. Also I could have sworn the eldritch horrors like the many angled ones were from the space between universes.
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>>78755749
no because both anti-man and the ultimates in this specific situation are unique to 616.
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>>78755852
I know Miss America is unique, but since when is Anti-Man unique in the muliverse?
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>>78755898
missed a comma, I mean only one anti-man has been booted to the neutral zone
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>>78755778
She's in A-Force only for the first arc.
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>>78755926
How do we know that? Surely there's more than one Blue Marvel and one Anti-Man in the multiverse, I'm sure dozens of Blue Marvels exiled their Anti-Men
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>>78755749
I have no idea how Multiversal singularities like America Chavez are supposed to work in practice in Marvel comics when it's well established that every choice made splinters off into its own alternate reality, that's the entire basis of What Ifs.

But I guess you could look at it as there's only one America Chavez and that's the one hanging out in 616, so that's the only version of the Ultimates that has her to teleport them outside of Exo-Space and into the Neutral Zone
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>>78755957
it's an uncertainty principle thing. specific alternate universes don't exist until they've been depicted, and since most alternate universes had a point of divergence significantly before blue marvel was retconned into existence so nothing to do with him exists in any other universe until proven otherwise

because otherwise you get stuck demanding where the Pod of Marvel 1602 is and other such rot
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In practice, 616 is completely unique, and there's no world like it because of all the visitors from other worlds.
>Ultimate folks like Miles and the Maker
>Cable
>Rachel Gery
>Bishop
>Squadron Supreme from several worlds
>All the crap Iron Lad, Kang the Conqueror and Immortus have done
>Age of Apocalypse
>Cancerverse invasion
>Future Franklin Richards
>The Nathaniel Richards of 616 is the only one left alive in the multiverse
>The Builders
>Gamora
>Annihilation wave
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>>78744118
He started out as Black Sentry with an even shittier explanation for why nobody remembered a superman tier superhero.

They fixed him by doing what everybody wanted the writers to do with Sentry, throw him in space
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>>78756221
>He started out as Black Sentry with an even shittier explanation for why nobody remembered a superman tier superhero.
How did they explain it?
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>>78756243
Not him but , iirc JFK told him the world wasn't ready for a black man to be the most powerful thing on the planet so he just went into hiding.
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>>78731987
Why didn't Galactus use the Infiety Gauntlet or the countless other cosmic toys to stop eating?

Marvel cosmic isn't quite as set in stone as the average nerd thinks.
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>>78733570
>Last time they showed up, they tried to erase She-Hulk from existence, they've never done anything helpful.
They kinda literally just helped Deadpool fix Cable's bullshit time fuckery
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>>78752419
>implying the entire affair wasn't his idea and the only editorial mandate was the crossover

Good job
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>>78752381
>not reading Ewing's Mighty Avengers
Shit mugga, what are you doing?
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>>78756259
That was fucking stupid. Why should he care what racist Americans think? Why should he do what JFK tells him to? He could just go to some other country where people would actually be grateful. Or keep saving people's lives regardless of opinions, like a real hero would.
What excuse did he have for not doing anything in the decades that followed?
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>>78756675
Busy doing science
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>>78753438
>>78753485
are new avengers and ultimate both being written by ewing?
Because then I think POD meeting miss bitch will lead to her gaining control and being able to remove of the armor
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>>78756635
Not him but she didn't beat a beyonder. Blue marvel's son did.
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>>78752381
The Beyond Corporation from Nextwave was revealed to be a group of Beyonders, the same type of extradimensional beings that caused the Incursions, except the Beyond Corporation just wanted to cause chaos

In Mighty Avengers one of these Beyonders was on 616 and was just generally fucking around with the team.

Blue Marvel, Monica and Spider-Man managed to banish him from 616
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>>78732182
That was 8 months ago in comic time.
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>>78756759
She held the Beyonder in place lon enought for Blue Marvel's son to take hI'm back to the Neutral Zone.

She held down a Beyonder with her bare hands. Thor, Hyperion, Starbrand, Nightmask, Abyss and a whole shit ton of Ex Nihili could only beat 2 between all of them. And most of them died in the process.
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>>78756886
Ya know, they were just the same class of being, they weren't really capital-B beyonders
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>>78734157
>negative zone in the ultimate universe
There's only one Negative Zone.
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>>78756675
Because he was an American citizen that received a direct order from the President. Sorry that not all of us hate our country.
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>>78756917
I thought there was a Negative Zone for every universe. Otherwise, how do you explain all the What ifs with Annihilus and Blastaar?
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>>78756886
She held it for less than a second. While super Keven grabbed. That isn't as high as actually killing one.
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>>78756886
It wasn't at full power though, it was just a fraction of it in Quantrell's body, still a hell of a feat.
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>>78757133
The whole "there's only one version of this character/place/concept" falls apart when you start applying it in practice

Between What Ifs and diverging time lines and time travel it just doesn't work.

For example take Rachel Grey. There's supposedly only one of her in all of the Multiverse. But then there's all of the What If realities that she and the other X-men have been part of. Those What Ifs have the same history as 616 until the timelines diverge, so there's countless other realities with Rachels who have the exact same histories as the one living in 616 up until a certain point. Most of those realities probably got wiped out by the Incursions but still.

The same should go for America Chavez, Annihilus, Blaster, etc.
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>>78756748
Yes they are, which is why Blue Marvel's non-doctormanhattan'ed son is the tech guy for the New Avengers
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>>78757535
Ewing sure is a busy man these days
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I kinda feel like they may be over complicating wild space with all these other types. I am interested in seeing what it looks like after doom blew it up.
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>>78751378
Yup, Ewing knows how to keep a balance. The references he makes reward fans while at the same time not confusing new readers. If you're a new reader, you don't have to know who Two-Gun Kid is, who this new Giant-Man is or what a Doomlock is you might even think Ewing just made them up. The narrative doesn't require you to understand these references (like James Robinson stories kind of do) while still making it clear that this is a shared universe and making readers curious for more.
The contrast between Ewing and Bendis' stances on continuity is interesting.
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>>78753380

Monica is basically unkillable.

Carol is a flying brick who eats up energy.

America Chavez is basically indestrtuctible.

And they have black Superman and black Batman.
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>>78754684

X-men still sells comics and Hickman has a boner for the Fantastic Four.

It's more likely that Marvel editorial doesn't want to have the classic teams show up or have their own books.
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>>78757698
>you might even think Ewing just made them u
Something that I've noticed in his Ultimates storytimes, and some of his NA storytimes, is a flood of people who keep acting like Ewing is just making everything up and the book is nothing but retcons while citing incorrect info they heard third hand from someone that read a wiki once as the true canon that he's dephyling.

It's funny to see these anons who have a significantly shittier grasp on marvel canon than Ewing, and might not even read comics in the first place, speaking around shit like "RETCON."

Headcanon is a helluva drug.
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>>78756824
Technically, Ant-man Annual happened after Rage of Ultron, which happened at some point during the 8 month timeskip, so he could have become Giant-man at any point between SW and this.
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>>78757698
>The contrast between Ewing and Bendis' stances on continuity is interesting.
If Ultimates were a Bendis comic, he'd constantly have the characters talking about how puny humans like them are in over their heads dealing with forces far above them, lamenting how the Earth is now suddenly dealing with crap they're "not ready" for and have no experience with, even with decades of continuity say otherwise
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>>78757908
>Technically, Ant-man Annual happened after Rage of Ultron, which happened at some point during the 8 month timeskip, so he could have become Giant-man at any point between SW and this.

Yeah, this is basically Nu52 tier "EVERYTHING HAPPENED BUT NO ONE KNOWS HOW" type of continuity. It's not like anyone cares anymore, either.
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>>78757946

More like they would discover a copy of earth made of Luke Cage and Kitty Pryde and everyone would quip at each other.
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>>78753380
Only teams I remember coming close was annihilators and teams with crazy Wanda/Sentry.
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>>78756675
He viewed himself as American because he was born and raised here. Unlike superman he doesn't have that whole child of the world thing going.

He also realized he couldn't just ignore what was going on by his outing because it was pissing off Blacks and scaring Whites. And to an extent he is correct, had he kept going we'd probably have ended up with the US gov having whole teams dedicated to stopping him which would have jump started the anti mutant/superhuman programs and fucked over future groups like the X-men or even the avengers.

My personal problem with all of this is that you don't fucking forget a guy with the powers of superman who has saved the planet from god damn asteroids in a 40 year period. Thats like forgetting the existence of the nuclear bomb just because we haven't nuked anyone in over 50 years.

At least sentry bullshit had comic magic.
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>>78751744
The techs are wearing Canadian flags on their sleeves.

Looks like the Canadian MoD just drafted Carol to command AF, like they're a NORAD thing now.

I guess we'll find out for sure on the 20th
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>>78743758
God I thought I was the only one.

Honestly she's keeping me away from this book. "You can't DISCOVER a place" yes you fucking can kid.
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>>78744345
What did someone else discover it? Or is it just this recent "you can't discover a place even if you are the first person to see it." deal.
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>>78760106
not if others have discovered it before you

>>78760146
maybe she's just pissed that he discovered it
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>>78730816

Reminder that Nightmask had to sacrifice his own life for this shit the miss mary sue does casually
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>>78760146
What are the chances nobody else in the universe/cosmos chanced upon the neutral zone before Adam?
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>Fight a Cthulhu first

Reminder the threat the brought these Avengers together was fighting Shuma Gorath
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>>78760277
>T'challa out planned everybody
>Carol absorbs energy than vulcan and can turn super saiyan
>Monica can blow up planets and held back a beyonder
>Blue marvel is a super genius and beat anti man while holding back, a guy who beat the avengers that had ares and sentry
They are all bullshit and America is actually being effected by this.
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>>78760146
>implying you can discover a place with sentient life. Then everybody who ever was the first person from their country to venture to any other country discovered that country. Besides considering where America comes from if her powers aren't unique than anybody there could have came first.
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>>78756277
He did & it didn't work.
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>>78730518
muh rocafort
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Last time he did, he let the hunger enter the universe and almost devour it.
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>>78760277
he came right the fuck back so who cares
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>>78758056
Don't forget Spider-Woman.
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Ultimates seems like a "good intentions" type of book where the team will solve huge problems with the best of intentions but its gonna turn around and bite em in the ass and cause even bigger problems down the line
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>>78756277
people don't realize that Galactus has a purpose and it's to eat planets. He's nature and you mess with it you are going to end up with an even bigger mess.
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>>78761809
Apparently that's not true, considering his own ship turned him into the life giver entity he is now
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>>78761442
>>78761042

Then why not use the stones to clean up that mess? Unless my understanding is whacked or the stone's rules have changed (probably both) then they can do anything and everything within their native universe.

Unless you're saying limits and reasons change as the lore continues to evolve.
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>>78761845
gonna bet he's still going to eat planets.
He just got the order wrong before.

First stop: Earth.
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>>78730548
>Smasher and Oracle
SEMEN
DEMONS
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>>78732063
God that plot was pointless, why did Hickman make such a huge status quo change for an X-Men character in an Avengers book and then do nothing with it?
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>>78731078
That joke has been made since solicits. You're late, grandpa
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>>78730599
>This isn't even my final form, Carol
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>>78761715
hopefully this sill lead to the conquest of earth by the shiar.
Not invasion, successful conquest.
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>>78730825
Thanks for the storytime, OP. I really enjoyed it.
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>>78753108
Agree with everything.
Im just waiting for it to come back and bite them
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>>78761989
Because Thanos, who had been trying to prevent Galactus from using the gems, destroyed the device that big G had the gems in which scattered them across the universe. The Hunger had to be dealt with at that moment, no time to reassemble the gems.
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>>78754684
>Kitty Pryde
Bendis
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How long until Ewing brings back the seventh infinity gem, the ego gem, and Nemesis with it for this team to deal with?
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A better question to ask about Galactus.
Why doesn't he let his Heralds give the planets a heads up in advance so they'll have time to evacuate? Sure not, every planet has spaceships, but those that do could at least get most of the people off.
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>>78764535
Nemesis needs to stay in the 90's where she belongs.
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>>78730873
>advicing ANYONE to read "Adam: legend of the Blue Marvel"
One of the worst comic books I've ever read
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>>78761845
I dunno I've read most of marvels comics I remember more saying he's a part of nature and eating planets is what he's suppose to do than ones saying otherwise
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>>78766946
Eh. It's boring, poorly plotted and reads like it was written for a nine year old audience, but I'd still read it over half the books DC/Marvel put out.
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>People actually like Blue Marvel
Him getting this much focus actually has me wanting to drop the book
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>>78773824
Didn't like him in Mighty Avengers anon?
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What is even the point of this book?
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>>78774690
What's the point of any book?
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>>78764630
He does. In fact thats what Silver Surfer did prior to leaving the Big G the first time.

How the planets are treated is really up to the Heralds. Star Dust considers it a blessing for each new planet to be consumed while Morg would just slaughter everyone.
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>>78774690
Look at the cover. There's your answer.
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>>78774786
It's a Fantastic Four replacement, without the toxic branding.
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>>78779339
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