>DC YOU is a huge failure Guess we don't deserve happiness.

failure to obtain the Star Wars license, sure

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>>78707948
say again?

I blame SJWs

>>78707981
That.... really doesn't disprove anon's statement.

>>78707981
You forgot that this was during an event right ?

>>78707981
I can draw pictures too, OP

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>>78708009
one more time

>>78708005
What a surprise.

>>78707906
Well, Floopy sales are shit, Trade sales on the other hand, Midnighter was on number one on amazon on the DC part

>>78707906
no it's failing, but it's not because the comics are bad.

I don't know why companies bother listening to feedback, people don't know what they actually want.

I'm expecting a linewide price increase, frequent relaunches and more events this year.

>>78708005
They're the reason your precious DCYou existed in the first place, genius.

Omega Men is good at least.

DC just doesn't get how to sell their books. There's such a huge potential fanbase but they're too dumb to notice it.

Marvel understands marketing

DC doesn't

it's that simple

DC hasn't had a well-reviewed, generally liked movie since DKR and that didn't do anything to sell books.

Meanwhile Marvel puts out crowd pleasing movies and uses their popularity to promote their comics.

>>78708021
>>78707981
Nigga, got a September 2011 one?

>Marvel aggressively markets toward casuals, SJWs, and new buyer demographics
>DC keeps trying to hold onto a dwindling demographic without pushing books toward casuals except for Batman which doesn't even have Batman in it anymore and a Superman who isn't Super
gee I wonder why

Whatever happened to that internal memo that said "Stop Batgirling and get back to basics"

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>>78707834
>DC isn't a bloated, soulless mass of a publisher that constantly cuts corners and shills for profit
>people think this is bad

You guys are such babies holy shit

>>78708406
>believing Bleeding Cool

>>78707906

We all know it's failing. We're annoyed because DC actually has quality books. The only solace I get is that Marvels "Hey look guys a new #1!' shit is starting to wear off

From January 2015 to November 2015:
>Star Wars #1 - 985,976 (including 200,000+ via Loot Crate)
>Star Wars #2 - 162,042
>Star Wars #3 - 161,226
>Star Wars #4 - 203,817
>Star Wars #5 - 146,850
>Star Wars #6 - 152,652
>Star Wars #7 - 160,000
>Star Wars #8 - 145,066
>Star Wars #9 - 135,817
>Star Wars #10 - 134,613
>Star Wars #11 - 126,780

I'm not sure why I just checked the stats on this comic.

>>78708427
>tripfag doesn't understand how businesses work
I wish I could say this comes as a surprise, but it doesn't.

>>78708021
>>78707981

As was said in the other thread the market share for that year between DC and Marvel was less than 7%

>>78708477
Why did #4 sell so much better? Did something happen there?

>>78708406
>internal memo
Since when were things said on /co/ then turned into BC articles considered "internal memos."

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>>78708543
Not sure. ComiChron would have said if it were a Loot Crate inclusion, so other than that, I can only assume there was some other kind of promotion or variant cover scheme.

>>78708477

Even the minis sell by the fuck load. DC (Fucking Warner Bros) should have been trying to cut a deal with JK Rowling for some Harry potter licenses. They would have sold as well as Star Wars if released a few years ago. HP has a rich universe that has potential for a massive EU. They could do the same for Middle Earth properties as well but Chris would never allow it

>>78707981
>>78708021
Thanks for the misleading chart.

Marvel having a larger market share does not mean DC's has gone down. It just means more people are buying Marvel books, which makes sense with Star Wars being so huge.

Contrary to popular belief, you're allowed to buy comics from more than one company at a time.

>>78707948
>>78707981
>>78708009
>>78708021
>>78708477

You all are terrible and I'm loading up R to do some quick calculations. Keep your company-war fanboy circle-jerk on hold for like twenty minutes, please?

>>78708477
>Marvel decides to shill Star Wars via Loot Crate
>not Vision
T-thanks

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>>78708881
>GOOD! DC is literally the Fox News of comic books

More like the Al Jazeera

>>78708881
Pastas like this and the Max Landis one are really obnoxious. At least the Bendis ones are mildly amusing.

>>78708881
CGC 9.9/10 bait

>>78708881
Obviously this is bait, but I'd still love to see a game plan for a Marvel-owned DCU.
Like, seriously. For all of the showboating and gloating about how much better a Marvel-owned DCU would be, I've yet to see any actual proposals for what it could become. The only thing I could think of is "You see the Marvel universe? Imagine that, but replace every character's physical appearance with a DC hero. Don't replace the personalities; just the faces and costumes."

>>78709009

The one I see a lot is "Batman is a Marvel character trapped in the DC universe" how did people ever come to that conclusion?

>>78709007
>>78709009
Come on, that's clearly satire, not bait.

>>78709171
2/10

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>>78709053
The image of DC in the popular consciousness is that their characters are unrelatable, overpowered, and unrealistic, while Marvel characters are the opposite.

Although anyone who's read a single DC comic made in the last 30 years would know this isn't true.

The reason Batman is seen as the "exception" is that he's the only one with highly popular movies.

>>78708492
Explain to me how the business works then, motherfucker

Please I'd love to hear how a company in league with one of the the biggest entertainment companies on the planet is in any danger of going under financially

>>78707834
>Generic, cynical, meaningless marketing stunt from a company that hates its own audience fails
>Let's pretend this is a catastrophe because we have never had an actual problem in our lives

OH SHIT WHAT DO WE DO NOW

>>78709446

See, this is why you're a cunt Xenos

>Bendis is a better writer than Morrison

Eat shit

>>78709521
That ain't Xenos, at least probably not.
He's over in >>78704846 posting Cine-Magic scans.

>>78707834
I guess Marvel does what DCan't ;^)

>>78709557
Xenos is a name a lot of shitposters use.

I have no clue why.

>>78709370
Just because they're owned by Time Warner doesn't mean they're interested in keeping them around forever. Maybe DC Comics will become too much of a financial liability and they'll just get rid of it to focus on the movies and TV shows, and before you say "they need them for original ideas" it's pretty obvious that they have as many stories and characters as they'd need after over than 75 years, they can keep milking the same characters and stories forever.

>>78709557
This happened last night with Dan Dashly too.

>>78709635
>>78709557
>>78709521

Must be just an impersonator going around shitposting with namefag names

Are the Star Wars comics actually any good though?

>>78709602
>>78709635
My guess is that it's because of how they're namefags and not full-on tripfags. It's easier to be someone you're not when you're impersonating a namefag.

See? Right now I'm Fruit Balance Girl. Tomorrow I might be Boobanon. Am I either of them? Of course not. But nobody remembers their tripcodes, so you have no choice but to assume I'm telling the truth. After all, do you really think people would just go on the Internet and tell lies?

>>78709678
See, this nigga knows where I'm coming from.

>>78707948
well star wars was always with marvel
Now that disney owns both it just made it a sure thing

>>78709610
None of that even matter bruh

DC has Superman and Batman. Two American icons as identifiable around the world as Mickey Mouse and Ronald McDonald. Type in "American Icons" in google and I guarantee you'll get Superman within ten hits.

Warner owns a piece of American history; they're not just gonna let go of that because a little piece of their empire underperforms every now and again.

>>78708646
>DC (Fucking Warner Bros) should have been trying to cut a deal with JK Rowling for some Harry potter licenses
I thought Rowling didn't want to do anything like that? Isn't she still in control of spinoffs and the like?

>>78708406
they never did batgirling right apparently because the only successes from DCyou have been starfire and deathstroke

>>78709776
>>78709776
>well star wars was always with marvel

They were with Dark Horse for years m8. But it was just a logical move for Disney to have everything as "in house" as possible

>>78709821

Yeah she is but they could have cut a deal with her allowing her creative oversite. All that "pottermore" text could have been used creatively

>>78709610
DC makes and costs such little money there's no reason to get rid of them.

Especially in the past few years these companies have been relatively popular because of the popularity of trade paperbacks.

>>78709793
Did you even read what I said? Superman and Batman can live on as movie characters, and Warner doesn't care about how "iconic" they are, they care about profits, if DC isn't turning in a profit, it's gone, simple as that.

DC characters are unrelateable
DC fans love to deny this but the fact that most casuals love characters like Harley Quinn and Batgirl more than Wonder Woman and Superman it basically paints a picture of old and busted heroes

>>78709698
Nope. You're better off reading Dark Horse's best stuff.

>>78707834
It was good story wise but DC really needs better PR (It also doesn't help though that Convergence pissed a lot of LCS too).
What DC needs to do is more pandering. Like more books about Harley Quinn and more books with Joker. Normies love the Joker and Quinn. Also a Batman Team-up book. A new Harley and Ivy ongoing. Maybe a Flash and Green Arrow book. More books about villains.

>>78709706
Just shut up and suck my cock

>>78709933
Nice company war, bro.

>>78709933

Both Action comics and Superman sell better than Batgirl. The "Batgirl is like SUPER popular!" myth is something co likes to parrot but it just isn't true

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>>78707834
>op is actually baneposting

>>78709827
Starfire is a perfect example of "Batgirling" though. It appeals to an audience outside of the usual comic buyer without just being crap for little kids.

And then Deathstroke is an example of why the rabid braindead fanboy demographic is still the most important in comics.

It's such a shame that both Marvel AND DC simultaneously tried to get away from the stagnant market of the last 15 years and both failed. Marvel lucked out with the Star Wars license keeping them afloat but even Batman and Spider-Man are doing worse than normal.

>>78710063
It might be true, but it really depends on digital sales, which have yet to be made public by either ComiXology or any comics publisher, DC and Marvel included.

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>>78707834
>expecting anything branching from the new 52 to be of good quality or good sales

DC gambled, and gambled badly, and lost. It will take a screw up from Marvel (which is possible, it's Marvel after all) for DC to recover.

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>68 replies
>27 IPs

>>78710063
Simone's run actually use to sell a lot actually.

>>78710063
its first trade sold well

>>78708900
>not Vision
I mean, they're including issue 1 in Spider-man/Deadpool, and have given out free copies of issues 2 and 3 to match all the orders of issue 1.

Also, LootCrate decides what they're going to shill and it's always the most casual friendly shit possible. Vision isn't casual friendly in so far as it's actually good.

>>78707834
We don't, though. We're on /co/.

>>78710231
Bill shouldn't be the one to talk desu

>>78709297
>Although anyone who's read a single DC comic made in the last 30 years would know this isn't true.
>SupermanBenchpressingSeveralTimesTheEarth'sWeight.png

>>78710415
>using a Lobdell comic as an example
Bad form desu baka senpai

>>78709698
Read Darth Vader and Kanan.

>>78710267
>>78710276
>>78710357

And Superman merch dwarves anything from Batgirl. And Superman and Action Comics both sold better than Batgirl even under Simones run. Saying Batgirl is more popular than Superman is absolutely absurd. Wonder Woman on the other hand has been completely mismanaged

>>78710415

>Marvel characters have never pulled off bullshit before

>>78710669
>He's not an edgy dudebro that rides a motorcycle and punches cops
You're right, he's not that at all.

>>78710669

>Edgy

Looks like we're just trolling now

>>78710743
>>78710773
>image.jpg
Gee I wonder.

>>78710669

>The blood on his hands

Good to know this was drawn up before any of the DCYou stories actually happened and faggots jumped the gun just to shit on DC

>>78709933
If I wanted to see a non-superhuman I'd look in the mirror.

I want to read about a guy who rules an under water kingdom and a guy who can run so fast he can unravel the universe.

>>78709926
>comic characters existing in movies without their comics
>implying

>>78710109
>Starfire is a perfect example of "Batgirling" though. It appeals to an audience outside of the usual comic buyer without just being crap for little kids.
Batgirling is appealing to a crowd that will never buy comics. That's very different from appealing to a crowd that normally doesn't buy comics but might.

>>78710881
>I want to read about a guy who rules an under water kingdom and a guy who can run so fast he can unravel the universe.
Tell me more about the guy who rules an underwater kingdom. What exactly does "ruling" entail?

>>78710901
Ok, you are clearly very ignorant on how companies work so I think you should stop posting right now. Why I expected any better from a tripfag is anyone's guess.

>>78707981
>>78708021

Why the fuck are you posting charts from five years ago? Is this some kind of a joke or something? How about you post charts from 2015 and you may have some kind of an argument.

>>78710928
>Batgirling is appealing to a crowd that will never buy comics
they do buy comics, they just literally only buy trades and will never contribute to monthly sales

>>78707834
Good. DC deserves to crash and burn.
It was bad enough they considered hiring a homophobe like Orson Scott Card for Superman. But then they went and actually hired the sexist and edgy Max "Women can't be competent or else they're Mary Sues" Landis to ruin Superman. Now we got Superman melting people's arms off, destroying walls, and saying he has no problem killing criminals like the Joker.

I'm done with DC. I tried to give them a chance. But this was the breaking point. Marvel has Mark Waid on ANAD Avengers that's better than Max Landis's edgy Superman and DC's other edgy books.

>>78710991
>le tripfag hate meme

I know you're trying everything you can to discredit me but I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that DC is never going to go under because they have Superman and Batman.

And if they DO go under, I will gladly remove my trip and leave /co/ in shame.

>>78711205
Enough. This is not turning into a pasta. Give it up.

>>78710974
>Ensuring the continued existence of his domain
Aquaman must protect the waters and it's inhabitants if his people are to continue surviving in the ecosystem. This is threatened by natural disasters as well as the actions of the surface (or other) worlds.
>Managing relations with other kingdoms post-war
The kingdom recently went through the Atlantis War arc, tensions are high and could boil over if mismanaged. The surface world don't like him helping Atlantis and the Atlanteans hate the surface world
>Strengthening your reputation via action
See above. He isn't liked as a ruler. Thus he needs to lead from the front.
>Resolving conquest conflicts with what ever action is required (politics, violence)
Other warring kingdoms or would be usurpers
>Maintain rule
Survive assasination plots and weed out conspirators
>Managing a balance with real life
>Learning more about the kingdom you rule.
>Make decisions that a 'hero' could not
Act with your head, not your heart. Aquaman is forced to kill and execute. The burden on the shoulders of a king are real, Atlantis isn't his playground.

>>78711345
DC should give up trying to make Superman edgy with edgy writers. They should be trying to make up with Mark Waid and Kurt Busiek, people who actually GET Superman....

>>78711430
That's not even how pasta works, you're not supposed to reply. Christ man, your new is showing.

>>78711430
>GET Superman....
>muh jesus figure

>>78711430
And get mad when they get called out in their bullshit, Waid gets mad with whatever version of superman that its no his, also, Do you want a non edgy superman ? Read action comics

>>78711358
Interesting. Now for a completely unrelated question, nothing to do with what we were just discussing. Have you ever, for example, been in a group situation where tensions were high and could boil over if mismanaged? Maybe in a family situation, maybe during a group situation at work or school? Or have you ever been in a situation where you had to maintain a balance between something important to you and real life? Or maybe you've been in a situation where you were in charge of something really important, and had to make decisions you personally found distasteful because you thought it was necessary?

>>78711472
You mean edgy buzzcut Superman who punches cops? No thanks. I prefer MY Superman to be more inspirational.

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>>78711590
Yeah, look at how edgy this is

>>78711551
Perhaps in time. But granted my age, no, not really. The first, perhaps, the rest, no.

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>>78711655
You've never had to compromise between doing what you thought was ideal and what you thought was necessary? Really? Never in your life?

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>>78711715
So edgy

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>>78711725
Not that comes to mind anon. I mean, I don't live a complicated life, necessary and ideal overlap nicely.

>>78711761
Do you have the one where he is carrying the Wheelchair girl ?

>>78711767
Okay. It seems you have never had to choose between an ideal option and a realistic one, or had to navigate a delicate situation, or balance conflicting aspects of your life. Do you think most other people have also never had to deal with the above?

>>78711882
>Do you think most other people have also never had to deal with the above
There is no answer to this question anon.

>>78711868
How is this Edgy ? its not the first time a villain does this kind of thing to a hero, he is a villain

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>>78711715
>people think this makes a comic automatically bad

>>78711761
>people think this makes a comic automatically good

cherry picking autists, both of you.

>>78711919
Yes there is. There are n people who read comics. Do you think (n/2)+1 of those people have never had to worry about any of those issues? Or. to provide a more complete list
>had to try to protecting something from external threats
>had to navigate delicate social situations?
>had to deal with people disliking them as they try to accomplish something with those same people?
>having to solve problems using whatever tools they are given
>balancing aspects of their lives
>learning more about something they are responsible for
>choosing between the ideal and the necessary.
Has more than 50% (most) of the comic reading audience ever had to deal with any of the above problems, or any other problem abstracted from the general archetype?

>>78712215
>Do you think (n/2)+1 of those people have never had to worry about any of those issues? Or. to provide a more complete list
The questions are subjective. I can't make that decision for other people, let alone for a significant number of people whom I have never met.

>>78712283
It is not a decision, it is an evaluation. Do you believe these problems resemble problems most of your fellow audience members may have encountered? Or, given that you describe your life as "simple," do you evaluate others as having "complex" lives relative to your own perspective?

>>78712411
I would say most haven't had to deal with any such events with significance to be noteworthy. I surround myself with those that lead similar lives.

I see what you are trying to say, I do. But I wake, go to work, get home and go to gym and then read comics before bed. The world I escape to is not something I relate with at all, last night I read about Flash merging with the personification of death itself to kill a universe ruling being who is being hunted by a multiverse destroying anti-god. The question of do I take a life to consolidate a supernatural power has never entered into my day to day life.

>>78712575
>The question of do I take a life to consolidate a supernatural power has never entered into my day to day life.
No, but you almost certainly have had to deal with a situation where you must make a sacrifice due to doing what you believe is right.

>>78712682
In the future, perhaps. But not now.

Even if I do. The choice to, for example, move away from family and friends to pursue a successful career doesn't correlate to what I mentioned.

I don't see how, even if I had those experiences, that would help me relate to the hero.

>>78712759
>In the future, perhaps. But not now.
To have such an apparently carefree life.

>I don't see how, even if I had those experiences, that would help me relate to the hero.
In any case, the human mind works just fine with abstract parables. It's why, even as children, we instinctively understand what The Tortoise and The Hare is "actually" about, despite the inherent outlandishness of a real tortoise racing a real hare. The superficially-fantastic scenario is just spice for the actual emotional core, which is long-term perseverance of hard work defeating underdeveloped natural talent, or seeing the arrogant justly humbled. Comic books are similar, in that every superficially-outlandish scenario is spice for the emotional core, which people relate (here is the dirty word) to. A guy running so fast he sinks into infinity and dies to allow a new universe to be born/the old one to be preserved is about self-sacrifice to achieve a brighter tomorrow, which is "relateable" and what makes the story powerful in the first place (either we have done it, or someone did it for us or someone we care about).

>>78713129
Perhaps you are right. Maybe I'm not relating because I'm not looking for it.But tt's just not what I'm looking for or need in a comic so in the end it's pretty moot.

Surely escapism and relating do not go hand in hand.

superman is fucked, just like mickey mouse. you have to start from scratch:
the ONLY orphan from krypton, period.
powers: super strength (lift a few tons, more if really pushing it) due to kryptons gravity
can jump over buildings.
invulnerable to conventional explosives and artillery, absorbs all solar energy to do this.
excellent hearing, vision into IR and UV.
smart
ages slowly
not susceptible to radiation
NOT MUSCLEBOUND
kryptonite is rare even on krypton, maybe one piece exists here.
raised as a boy scout type
doesnt want to be a hero, only wants to do good.
hates fighting, cant handle his anger well
afraid to fall in love and commit
greatest wish: to find out if other kryptonians survived.
loves his adoptive planet, tries to encourage people get along.
luthor is afraid of him (like in new movie), but not that evil, just driven
easily swayed by propaganda per miller
no regular secret identity job, just lots of hired hand work.

>>78713336
>Surely escapism and relating do not go hand in hand
They must go hand in hand, or else the vehicle for escapism cannot transport the escapee. The early version of Superman, for example, held views that he must help the needy because the needy were the ones who read his comics. An actual Superman would do very well in the Social Darwinist environment of early 20th century America, but instead he is moral and only uses his power for the good of the common man. The readers couldn't relate to his powers or his adventures, but they could relate to his mindset and how he solved problems. And that is what allowed them to escape into him.

>>78713520
>no regular secret identity job, just lots of hired hand work
Clark Kent the writer is integral to modern conceptions of Superman, because it is a job his superpowers don't necessarily help with. At most, he hears about events earlier as a reporter, but his actual prose only comes from non-superpowered help. That's really important, even when he isn't a reporter specifically.

>>78707834
So is All-New Marvel apparently, Star Wars is the only thing keeping Marvel on top.