>Marvel aggressively markets toward casuals, SJWs, and new buyer demographics >DC keeps trying to hold onto a dwindling demographic without pushing books toward casuals except for Batman which doesn't even have Batman in it anymore and a Superman who isn't Super gee I wonder why
Even the minis sell by the fuck load. DC (Fucking Warner Bros) should have been trying to cut a deal with JK Rowling for some Harry potter licenses. They would have sold as well as Star Wars if released a few years ago. HP has a rich universe that has potential for a massive EU. They could do the same for Middle Earth properties as well but Chris would never allow it
>>78708881 Obviously this is bait, but I'd still love to see a game plan for a Marvel-owned DCU. Like, seriously. For all of the showboating and gloating about how much better a Marvel-owned DCU would be, I've yet to see any actual proposals for what it could become. The only thing I could think of is "You see the Marvel universe? Imagine that, but replace every character's physical appearance with a DC hero. Don't replace the personalities; just the faces and costumes."
>>78709370 Just because they're owned by Time Warner doesn't mean they're interested in keeping them around forever. Maybe DC Comics will become too much of a financial liability and they'll just get rid of it to focus on the movies and TV shows, and before you say "they need them for original ideas" it's pretty obvious that they have as many stories and characters as they'd need after over than 75 years, they can keep milking the same characters and stories forever.
>>78709602 >>78709635 My guess is that it's because of how they're namefags and not full-on tripfags. It's easier to be someone you're not when you're impersonating a namefag.
See? Right now I'm Fruit Balance Girl. Tomorrow I might be Boobanon. Am I either of them? Of course not. But nobody remembers their tripcodes, so you have no choice but to assume I'm telling the truth. After all, do you really think people would just go on the Internet and tell lies?
>>78709678 See, this nigga knows where I'm coming from.
DC has Superman and Batman. Two American icons as identifiable around the world as Mickey Mouse and Ronald McDonald. Type in "American Icons" in google and I guarantee you'll get Superman within ten hits.
Warner owns a piece of American history; they're not just gonna let go of that because a little piece of their empire underperforms every now and again.
>>78708646 >DC (Fucking Warner Bros) should have been trying to cut a deal with JK Rowling for some Harry potter licenses I thought Rowling didn't want to do anything like that? Isn't she still in control of spinoffs and the like?
>>78709793 Did you even read what I said? Superman and Batman can live on as movie characters, and Warner doesn't care about how "iconic" they are, they care about profits, if DC isn't turning in a profit, it's gone, simple as that.
DC characters are unrelateable DC fans love to deny this but the fact that most casuals love characters like Harley Quinn and Batgirl more than Wonder Woman and Superman it basically paints a picture of old and busted heroes
>>78707834 It was good story wise but DC really needs better PR (It also doesn't help though that Convergence pissed a lot of LCS too). What DC needs to do is more pandering. Like more books about Harley Quinn and more books with Joker. Normies love the Joker and Quinn. Also a Batman Team-up book. A new Harley and Ivy ongoing. Maybe a Flash and Green Arrow book. More books about villains.
>>78709827 Starfire is a perfect example of "Batgirling" though. It appeals to an audience outside of the usual comic buyer without just being crap for little kids.
And then Deathstroke is an example of why the rabid braindead fanboy demographic is still the most important in comics.
It's such a shame that both Marvel AND DC simultaneously tried to get away from the stagnant market of the last 15 years and both failed. Marvel lucked out with the Star Wars license keeping them afloat but even Batman and Spider-Man are doing worse than normal.
And Superman merch dwarves anything from Batgirl. And Superman and Action Comics both sold better than Batgirl even under Simones run. Saying Batgirl is more popular than Superman is absolutely absurd. Wonder Woman on the other hand has been completely mismanaged
>>78710109 >Starfire is a perfect example of "Batgirling" though. It appeals to an audience outside of the usual comic buyer without just being crap for little kids. Batgirling is appealing to a crowd that will never buy comics. That's very different from appealing to a crowd that normally doesn't buy comics but might.
>>78710881 >I want to read about a guy who rules an under water kingdom and a guy who can run so fast he can unravel the universe. Tell me more about the guy who rules an underwater kingdom. What exactly does "ruling" entail?
>>78707834 Good. DC deserves to crash and burn. It was bad enough they considered hiring a homophobe like Orson Scott Card for Superman. But then they went and actually hired the sexist and edgy Max "Women can't be competent or else they're Mary Sues" Landis to ruin Superman. Now we got Superman melting people's arms off, destroying walls, and saying he has no problem killing criminals like the Joker.
I'm done with DC. I tried to give them a chance. But this was the breaking point. Marvel has Mark Waid on ANAD Avengers that's better than Max Landis's edgy Superman and DC's other edgy books.
>>78710974 >Ensuring the continued existence of his domain Aquaman must protect the waters and it's inhabitants if his people are to continue surviving in the ecosystem. This is threatened by natural disasters as well as the actions of the surface (or other) worlds. >Managing relations with other kingdoms post-war The kingdom recently went through the Atlantis War arc, tensions are high and could boil over if mismanaged. The surface world don't like him helping Atlantis and the Atlanteans hate the surface world >Strengthening your reputation via action See above. He isn't liked as a ruler. Thus he needs to lead from the front. >Resolving conquest conflicts with what ever action is required (politics, violence) Other warring kingdoms or would be usurpers >Maintain rule Survive assasination plots and weed out conspirators >Managing a balance with real life >Learning more about the kingdom you rule. >Make decisions that a 'hero' could not Act with your head, not your heart. Aquaman is forced to kill and execute. The burden on the shoulders of a king are real, Atlantis isn't his playground.
>>78711358 Interesting. Now for a completely unrelated question, nothing to do with what we were just discussing. Have you ever, for example, been in a group situation where tensions were high and could boil over if mismanaged? Maybe in a family situation, maybe during a group situation at work or school? Or have you ever been in a situation where you had to maintain a balance between something important to you and real life? Or maybe you've been in a situation where you were in charge of something really important, and had to make decisions you personally found distasteful because you thought it was necessary?
>>78711767 Okay. It seems you have never had to choose between an ideal option and a realistic one, or had to navigate a delicate situation, or balance conflicting aspects of your life. Do you think most other people have also never had to deal with the above?
>>78711919 Yes there is. There are n people who read comics. Do you think (n/2)+1 of those people have never had to worry about any of those issues? Or. to provide a more complete list >had to try to protecting something from external threats >had to navigate delicate social situations? >had to deal with people disliking them as they try to accomplish something with those same people? >having to solve problems using whatever tools they are given >balancing aspects of their lives >learning more about something they are responsible for >choosing between the ideal and the necessary. Has more than 50% (most) of the comic reading audience ever had to deal with any of the above problems, or any other problem abstracted from the general archetype?
>>78712215 >Do you think (n/2)+1 of those people have never had to worry about any of those issues? Or. to provide a more complete list The questions are subjective. I can't make that decision for other people, let alone for a significant number of people whom I have never met.
>>78712283 It is not a decision, it is an evaluation. Do you believe these problems resemble problems most of your fellow audience members may have encountered? Or, given that you describe your life as "simple," do you evaluate others as having "complex" lives relative to your own perspective?
>>78712411 I would say most haven't had to deal with any such events with significance to be noteworthy. I surround myself with those that lead similar lives.
I see what you are trying to say, I do. But I wake, go to work, get home and go to gym and then read comics before bed. The world I escape to is not something I relate with at all, last night I read about Flash merging with the personification of death itself to kill a universe ruling being who is being hunted by a multiverse destroying anti-god. The question of do I take a life to consolidate a supernatural power has never entered into my day to day life.
>>78712575 >The question of do I take a life to consolidate a supernatural power has never entered into my day to day life. No, but you almost certainly have had to deal with a situation where you must make a sacrifice due to doing what you believe is right.
>>78712759 >In the future, perhaps. But not now. To have such an apparently carefree life.
>I don't see how, even if I had those experiences, that would help me relate to the hero. In any case, the human mind works just fine with abstract parables. It's why, even as children, we instinctively understand what The Tortoise and The Hare is "actually" about, despite the inherent outlandishness of a real tortoise racing a real hare. The superficially-fantastic scenario is just spice for the actual emotional core, which is long-term perseverance of hard work defeating underdeveloped natural talent, or seeing the arrogant justly humbled. Comic books are similar, in that every superficially-outlandish scenario is spice for the emotional core, which people relate (here is the dirty word) to. A guy running so fast he sinks into infinity and dies to allow a new universe to be born/the old one to be preserved is about self-sacrifice to achieve a brighter tomorrow, which is "relateable" and what makes the story powerful in the first place (either we have done it, or someone did it for us or someone we care about).
superman is fucked, just like mickey mouse. you have to start from scratch: the ONLY orphan from krypton, period. powers: super strength (lift a few tons, more if really pushing it) due to kryptons gravity can jump over buildings. invulnerable to conventional explosives and artillery, absorbs all solar energy to do this. excellent hearing, vision into IR and UV. smart ages slowly not susceptible to radiation NOT MUSCLEBOUND kryptonite is rare even on krypton, maybe one piece exists here. raised as a boy scout type doesnt want to be a hero, only wants to do good. hates fighting, cant handle his anger well afraid to fall in love and commit greatest wish: to find out if other kryptonians survived. loves his adoptive planet, tries to encourage people get along. luthor is afraid of him (like in new movie), but not that evil, just driven easily swayed by propaganda per miller no regular secret identity job, just lots of hired hand work.
>>78713336 >Surely escapism and relating do not go hand in hand They must go hand in hand, or else the vehicle for escapism cannot transport the escapee. The early version of Superman, for example, held views that he must help the needy because the needy were the ones who read his comics. An actual Superman would do very well in the Social Darwinist environment of early 20th century America, but instead he is moral and only uses his power for the good of the common man. The readers couldn't relate to his powers or his adventures, but they could relate to his mindset and how he solved problems. And that is what allowed them to escape into him.
>>78713520 >no regular secret identity job, just lots of hired hand work Clark Kent the writer is integral to modern conceptions of Superman, because it is a job his superpowers don't necessarily help with. At most, he hears about events earlier as a reporter, but his actual prose only comes from non-superpowered help. That's really important, even when he isn't a reporter specifically.
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