What are your thoughts on the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic books? Do you think they do the games justice?
Kinda hard to do the games justice when most of the comics don't even follow the games. And thank God they don't. On another note its sad that the Mega Man comics are getting cancelled. They actually follow the games and are pretty good.
I don't think there's much justice to be done to the games. They don't deserve it for the most part, lets be honest. The post reboot comic series has been top-notch for cherry picking the best content and characters from every iteration of Sonic and stitching it all together seamlessly. It's a crime it's not the "prime" Sonic universe.
The Protoman stories were pretty good, especially the penultimate issue.
If the whole book had been written in that style -- an ongoing story in serial format loosely tying into the games instead of a series of drawn out, boring "arcs" -- it would have lasted. Trying to keep too close to the source material in execution (each boss robot is introduced in a one-on-one fight, they're introduced in their "levels" from the games, etc) while not taking advantage of what's there (Wily Alien is a five panel sequence) is one of the biggest problems with it all.
It was okay as it's going, but if you look back on it nearly half the issues are tedious to read because they're all the same damn thing. It's too much like a checklist instead of a story.
It's not their fault, I believe it was Capcom's idea in the first place and when the first one sold like hotcakes, SEGA and Capcom both came to Archie and said "do it again yo". Being licensed titles, Archie pretty much had to do what they were told and had a very limited time to squeeze out a second crossover. At least it went by faster thanks to Boom taking a decent chunk of issues.
I always heard it was the editor at the time, some guy name Paul, that I think fucked off to DC before the crossover was even finished. He also mandated some shit that didn't make sense in the second crossover.
I heard swirlings of that sort too, yeah.
If SEGA and Capcom were so keen on the idea, they should just make a crossover game together. Imagining a mix of Sonic's momentum based gameplay with Mega Man's pinpoint platforming is kinda weird, but it would probably be fun.
I had abandoned the book but picked up a later issue where Dr. Wily is struggling with his decision to betray Dr. Light all over again and honestly that shit was more compelling than the straight adaptations.
At least we good three good waifus out of it.
Sadly that's not saying much compared to the amount of waifus in the Sonic universe.
>I believe it was Capcom's idea in the first place and when the first one sold like hotcakes
It was Paul. Sega and Capcom were on board because of how well received Worlds Collide was but Paul was the one that came up with the idea.
But it actually ended up hurting more than helping considering the fact that it was supposed to boost sales of Megaman and Sonic Boom (which didn't really need it as much as MM did) but both got canned before the damn crossover finished.
>We finally get Blue becoming Proto Man, Tempo being a qt around him and Vesper Woman all in the penultimate issue.
That and all the stuff in Wily's workshop were such a cock-tease.
As someone who gives zero fucks about shipping. I kind of liked the idea. Less because actual romance but rather that giving Blues his own cast to back-and-forth with whenever he is not around Mega Man & Co. sounds pretty good.
Too bad the comic is over forever. All the OCs minus Pre-Mr. X Xander were amazing and now they'll be forgotten.
Can we all agree that Champions was one of the best arcs of the reboot series so far and that Diana Skelly is one of the best artists they have alongside Tyson and Evan Stanley?
Her style is just so energetic. So fitting for the series.
Carrotia, one of Wendy Witchcart's goons from Tails' Skypatrol.
>Easy to pick-up-and-read arc
>Great back-and-forth between different characters. Really fleshes them out a lot.
>Even characters who are not participating get at least one or two panels to show some personality.
>Skelly's mixture of wacky and energetic works great for both in and out the fights.
>Many references that are both nod (Segata) or help flesh out the lore and world (Casino Park's construction, Hex Co. & MeteoTech, etc.)
>Great introduction of Breezy into the reboot canon. While not full Mogul,s till an interesting character on her own merits.
>Sonic's brotherly pep-talk to Tails.
>Finds a way to integrate the elements of Fighters with no problem.
>Amazing expressions all around.
Overall fantastic in my opinion. I kind of feel these few issues kind of need some of the energy of this arc so the elements and locations they are introducing have more kick (Not saying that they are bad issues by any means, just that if this entire arc is "New lcoation of the reboot canon + new local-centered team and Egg Boss", you might as well put as much character into them as possible as a first impression.)
>Do you think they do the games justice?
The games don't do the comics justice.
If SEGA wasn't retarded, they'd give Archie more wiggle room to do whatever the fuck they want, because ever since we got out of the dark ages the comics have always been better
>my husbando is not just canonically dead, but wiped from existence
>MFW big story arc on how Sally became a robot
>Tries to kill sibling because Robotnik told her too
>Everyone in their path tries to talk her out of it
>Try to fight back
>Barely anybody can stop her
>Silver justs blasts her and that fries her circuits in 1 hit
It's okay. I know exactly what it feels like to lose the one you love.
Finetivusfag reporting. I know that pain too well.
I enjoy them a lot. The writing's salvaged a lot of characters that I didn't care about before, and most of the current artists are pretty competent. I just wish all kinds of circumstances beyond the writer's control weren't constantly fucking with the comic. It got pretty annoying how the Penders lawsuit messed up the resolutions of a number of character arcs, while crossovers kept interrupting the main story. I hope it's over for good and the comic won't have to go through a rough patch like that ever again.
Agreed, love how fun her art is to look at. The arc itself was great too, but the art made it even better.
Pouring two out for Scourge and Shard, myself.
he was perfect
its even worse because he's actively getting zombified in penders' work, i was hoping penders wouldnt actually use him
>The writing's salvaged a lot of characters that I didn't care about before
The writers made me like Big. BIG.
>At least it's an improvement over her original design.
That would be Vanilla.
>Making Knuckles not a joke
>Turning Big and Omega in some of the most entertaining members of the support cast.
>Kept the best couple still married
>Made Fang & Co. into great foils.
Ian gets a lot of shit, but when you think the rollercoaster of a source material he has to work with, it's impressive how well he has done to the series.
More like an expy really.
Topaz, alongside all other OCs from Sonic X, are not allowed to be used by Archie. They can only take from AoSTh, SatAm and the games (With some exception like the Echidnas from Sonic Chronicles).
>Has there been any progress at all with whatever that Lara Su project was?
None whatsoever. More and more time passes, the more I think it's just Ken's thinly veiled attempt to make Archie and Sega pay attention to him, nothing more, nothing less.
> Do you think they do the games justice?
Honestly... No, they don't...
Now on the games behalf, the last stories have been quite shitty... For me the last game with a cool story and gameplay was Sonic Battle.
Gizoids haven't show up beyond simple mentions of his name and Gmerl who so far has only shown up in World Unite as of now.
Anything regarding the stuff involving Chronicles has been an absolute hush hush, mostly cause Chronicles and the Nocturnus Clan were some of the instigators of Penders fucking up everything we had. If theyw ere to bring them up again, Ken would start up his antics up to eleven again and make SEGA pull the license out of Archie out of pure annoyance. (It has been shown SEGA are perfectly fine of taking the license if another fuck up like that happens again and Archie'd be the only one to really suffer from it.)
My heart wasn't prepared for what happened to these two.
Will Volume 5 ever come out?
>tfw nichole's husbando is fucking dead
>tfw scourge, fiona, and rest of their crew will never appear again so their smug asses can get beaten
fuck you Ken. I want for just one day, that comic books could have a scent so that Penders can drown in the sea of shit he created.
Tfw I'm studying swedish copyright law and realize that Penders would have won the rights to all his own characters immediately here, as you can't even "work for hire" here as your right to your own created material is protected by our constitution.
It had years of different writers drastically driving it in different directions causing it to go to random places and then the more recent years of one writer using all of that to stick to one.
I personally thought it was kind of cool.
One of the worst comics I have ever read...
I'm not saying the stories in the game are stainless, but at least they try to follow a single line of story and not a mixture of anything the writer at the time thought of...
>What are your thoughts on the Archie Sonic the Hedgehog comic books?
I enjoy Sonic Universe over the main series. Speaking of which, fuck you Archie SU83 when?
>Do you think they do the games justice?
Nope, they feel way too alien from one another.
Comic Robotnik is one of my favorite fictional villains.
He's the perfect level of menacing without feeling too dark. Ultimately, I just find this iteration of him to be incredibly entertaining.
>tfw St.Geoffrey will never be reunited with Hershey and he won't redeem himself
One of the best arcs in the comic and it got dropped. Damn am I still so disappointed.
It sad that THIS is the closets will see our favorite non-game characters from the old series be "respected".
>mfw Palcomix manages to get worse every year
How does that site manage to stay afloat when everything in the members section gets ripped everywhere for free?
They pander to all the people too cheap to get their fetish furry porn from quality artists
They're the porn equivalent of Waffle House; No one goes there because they want to, they end up there at 2AM, still slightly drunk, their wallets too empty to even go to McDonalds.
>he got possessed then wiped from the universe before knowing his wife was alive
The most hilarious thing isn't to stop all the leaking and ripping bbmbff can't understand to improve his art, but rather threaten people with "I'm gonna stop doing my shitty OC lolicon webcomic if you don't stop!"
even pedo-fags think his OC comic is a piece of shit. hardly anything good, crappy art and a story that makes no fucking sense.
The main difference is that Robotnik is willing to kill. Wily has more restrain and doesn't actually hurt people.
It's funny because the comics don't even really change Big's writing from the games that much. They just give him some time to shine without being playable and ruining everything.
>Haven't read the comics since #242 due to loss of interest
>Sees all these posts about characters being wiped from existence
>Including Elias, St. Geoffrey, and others that I'm not looking forward to finding out about
>Realized St. Geoffrey never reunited with his wife
>Apparently there was a second Genesis wipe
It's all coming back to me with interest. The interest is pain.
What have I missed?
The resolution of the lawsuit with Penders meant that a lot of characters had to be suddenly removed from the comic, right in the middle of issues where these characters were getting heavy focus in the storyline. A bunch of really cool things were built up and I was at the time excited and eager to see the climax of those arcs. But eventually it turned out that getting a resolution became impossible, because they weren't legally allowed to use the characters anymore. The only way left to resolve things was leaving the wrapping up the character arcs very messily or leaving them unfinished, and then rebooting the universe and removing every Penders character. It was very noticeable how a lot of the dialogue and even entire storylines had been rewritten, and the book was pretty awkward to read at the time. I still feel upset and blueballed by the fact that the characters never got the triumphant endings they were supposed to get.
Pic related; this was planned to be an arc where Knuckles finally gets to encounter again all the other echidnas, and he was gonna get a happy ending. But then all those other echidnas had to be quickly removed from the story, and in a fashion where they couldn't even show their faces in the comic anymore.
Flynn's been writing "Lost Hedgehog Tales" which is gonna explain more about his earlier plans for the book and how stuff had to be changed.
Bunnie and Nicole originated from the cartoon, which means that they're safe; licensed properties that they're allowed to use. Characters that were created by past Sonic comic writers are the ones at risk. The problem is mainly with Penders characters, but I think they've stopped using characters created by anyone else than Flynn too, in order to stay away from any further legal issues. Characters such as Fiona and Scourge were big question marks for a while, and people weren't quite sure what their future will be. But since they haven't been seen or mentioned after the reboot, it looks like they're gone.
Bunny and Nicole, yes. Fiona, no. Anything that isn't from the comics originally got to stay, and they even added more characters from the games and AoStH that weren't in before to fill the void, alongside a bunch of new original characters.
Just end it, let the comic die. You do not recover from cutting 99% of the cast and setting in a franchise all about the overwhelming amounts of characters and plot threads.
Or if you have to, at least kill them properly.
>in a franchise all about the overwhelming amounts of characters and plot threads
This is the eventual fate that all Pre-Genesis Wave Archie character will suffer.
Its been over two years and still going. Thats longer than most DC/Marvel books not staring an iconic hero. Hell probably longer than any of the Captain Marvel reboots and she is supposed to be a top female movie star.
Regarding Scourge, they won't use him anymore because Ken has claimed he owns the rights to "evil Sonic" concept and has threatened to sue Archie if they use Scourge or any other character with similar concept again.
>You do not recover from cutting 99% of the cast
The core cast are all still there. About 99% of what was lost was tertiary one offs and minor nobodies. They can be and have been easily replaced.
>SU83 pushed back AGAIN
Ah yes, that storyline that lasted about 50 fucking years and then never got a proper resolution, just undone by the reboot.
And that was actually one of the arcs Flynn COULD have resolved without legal trouble since Sally wasn't a Penders character.
He just didn't. Still, at least the reboot got us out of "Chasing the Death Egg" for god knows how many monotonous issues.
I only watched Adventures of Sanic when I was a kid and I thought at the time it was a good representation of the games, never watched SatAm since it was never broadcast in my country and I never was into all the Sanic autism only played the games when they were very popular.
Was SaTAm any good? Never watched anything but the intro and it looks like some edgy shit like Sanic Underground. Also read about that crazy guy in the fanbase that wanted to make a Sonic movie.
Funny you should mention that, it was wiping those characters out and having a mostly clean slate to start over that led me to read the comics again for the first time since the early 100's. Well, that and the first Megaman crossover.
Second season is worse than first one because of Dulcy. Tails is a non-sidekick.
>Also read about that crazy guy in the fanbase that wanted to make a Sonic movie.
That's just a tip of the iceberg.
It's "fucking Flynn". I'm tired of everyone passing the blame onto someone else whenever he writes a shitty story.
When are we finally going to get a new writer on this series anyway? I thought the arc Evan Stanley wrote in Universe was great. I hope she replaces him.
Yeah, it's out and it was pretty damn good. Makes me realize how much I miss Gallagher and Bollers.
His writing has definitely gotten tiresome. Not surprising considering he's been on it nearly what a decade now? It had to get stale eventually.
The arc Evan Stanley wrote is okay. If you told me that a new writer was on the book, I'd have to double check as she doesn't really do anything all that different. It's just a standard action story, but not as well paced as most SU arcs.
I'll blame Ian when he writes a bad story (like the issue where Sonic and Ken Khan have to protect a generator that's never seen and ends with an asspull.) I'll blame the artist when they draw like shit (like Bunnie's reboot intro.) And I'll blame the editor when he's clearly fucking things up, like mandating story beats, forcing formatting changes and stupidly strict page counts, hiring artists with no experience or proven ability to draw the characters, and spending tons of money on shitty crossovers. Just because you hate the writer doesn't mean that every little thing is their fault: a comic book, especially a licensed one, is a very collaborative process where a lot of people are given the chance to fuck everything up.
It was a standard action story I suppose, but as far as the pacing is concerned, I thought it was superior to most of Flynn's arc's (especially in recent years). Most of all, it didn't feel anticlimactic, which is a huge problem a lot of Ian's stories have. His stories tend to drag on too long at times, and are often repetitive, and lack memorable conclusions.
Have you read Worlds Unite? That's probably his worst work. It was for the most part, just a string of cameo appearances which barely constituted a coherent narrative.
I'm a big fan of Ian's early stuff, but I think it's time for him to pass the torch. Evan Stanley seems more than up to the task considering her Universe arc.
>Just because you hate the writer doesn't mean that every little thing is their fault
I don't necessarily hate him. He's written some stories I thought were great actually. Just not in a long long time. I think Ian's gotten to the point where he's been jumping the shark.
The first two issues set up the Council. The third issue wrecks the Council immediately and brings in the Not!Time Eater, which then proceeds to not do anything very interesting on its own until Silver fights it. A slow buildup is nice sometimes, but without a satisfying payoff it's just slow. Worlds Unite was an absolute shitshow from start to finish (actually a lie, I liked Issue 3 where M'egga Man fights the Freedom Fighters and Sonic Man fights the Robot Masters) but it's also a huge crossover event where the editor controlled the plot way more than an editor is supposed to (to the point of suggesting most of it and having the writer need to edit HIM), the editor chose awful artists that couldn't convey action emotion or basic on-model characters, and the editor procured a hook that could only be used in the last four issues. Ian wrote a bad plot for Worlds Unite, that's for sure, but the event was NEVER going to be good. Champions also came out last year and I'd honestly peg it as one of the best storylines this book has had (alongside Order from Chaos and Thicker Than Water.)
>huge crossover event where the editor controlled the plot way more than an editor is supposed to (to the point of suggesting most of it and having the writer need to edit HIM), the editor chose awful artists that couldn't convey action emotion or basic on-model characters, and the editor procured a hook that could only be used in the last four issues.
Hold on...How do you guys know this?
Did Flynn complain about this on social media or something?
That's pretty damn immature and unprofessional, regardless of the situation.
I think the problem is that what made Ian great in the beginning was that he had plenty to work with and wasn't in charge of having to create something from just about nothing. I don't mind his recent stuff, and I don't hate him as a writer, but the more recent issues just haven't been as interesting as I'd want them to be.