There's going to be (hopefully) - Elsa coming to terms with balancing her powers, and struggling with the realities of ruling - Anna and Kristoff's relationship growing, finally Kristoff singing properly, maybe they'll argue but there will be an engagement if not wedding by the end - perhaps more backstory on Kristoff and maybe him reacting a bit to the impending change in identity should he become a royal fiance - a proper, threatening, new villain who is not Hans - Hans might be flaunted as the red herring villain in the beginning though. - Hans backstory and character development, and we'll see the Southern Isles more - for some reason, Hans has a reason to oppose the big bad along with the sisters, and the mutual enemy gets them on the same side - eventually he redeems himself, possibly through a Flynn/Anna/Baymax etc type Disney almost-death sacrifice. Love heals everything, and even though people make bad choices when they're mad or scared or stressed they can turn their lives around etc, lovely message - possibly he won't be the full-on love interest for Elsa by the end, but they'll be at least tentatively friendly, have some snarky banter and there'll be some long looks that shippers can interpret as proof their ship exists
All in all it'll focus more on Elsa and her character development. Frozen I was Anna's movie. II will give the spotlight to either Elsa alone or Elsa and Anna together
>>78660531 I'm just surprised how quickly Frozen's being bumped down...originally when there was a regular thread about Frozen here at /co/ some anons did shops whenever Frozen passed a movie in the Top 10. At the time I had missed the chance to make my own when it stopped climbing. Also at the time another anon asked what happens if movies start bumping Frozen down, the response was it wouldn't happen for a long while; that's when I quietly decided if the film started dropping then I would be a good sport and do a shop reflecting that.
I didn't expect Frozen to start marching down the top 10 in 2015, at least I didn't have to wait long.
>What I Hope Will Happen - Good new songs - Elsa is the main character - Her character isn't completely ruined - Only some of the movie focusing on Anna and Elsa together - Some cute Kristoph and Anna scenes - If they have to have a love interest for Elsa they make it work - Hans comes back and his supposed tragic backstory is expanded upon - Hans redeems himself - No one fucking trusts him until he does said redemption - New villain isn't from Weselton and is actually a threat
>What Will Probably Happen - Cashing in on Let it Go somehow - The other songs fucking suck - Lazy animation because they know people will buy it anyway - Elsa is the main character - Her character is completely ruined - They make most of the movie Anna and Elsa scenes - Elsa gets a love interest - They have magic too - Hans comes back and is just an evil villain - He might have gained fire magic somehow - People immediately trust him for some fucking reason - Elsa's entire struggle is proving Hans is a scumbag, again - The creators don't give a shit and know it'll print money
>>78658564 Elsa is a girl. >Society thinks women are all cool and collected, can do wrong. >Always calculated and always thinking. Cold and Calculated like Ice
OC will be a guy >Society thinks men are stupid and hot-heated. Reinforced by the fact that 99.99% of shitposters on the internet are guys. >Always assblasted and ready to go on into a massive rant about some superficial topic - pissed off and fuming mad lie a raging fire.
It's Like Poetry, It Rhymes.
Seriously some random dude with fire coming in and having a feud with Elsa would be hilarious.
>>78660531 >Furious 7: fast in space >Ironman 3: mandarin vs. clementine >Avengers 2: Pinocchio's revenge >Exercise in increasing sales employing viral marketing and focus groups #45928294 (sponsored by Chiquita) >and last (and definetely least) a Bayformers movie There's nothing that takes the faith in humanity out of you quite as quickly as this fucking top 10. And on top is of course Dancing with wolves 2: Pocahontas 3: the Smurfs 4
As for this year, not sure if there will be any real contenders to break the Top 10 but keeping an eye on two certain superhero flicks; there's speculation that this year could reveal superhero-burnout and CW and BvS have trouble getting into the Top 10, but one never knows
>>78662434 Titanic was THE couples movie back then, i remember how every girlfriend dragged their guys to the cinema 2 or 3 times, it also helped that it stayed in theaters a long ass time, the longest i can remember actually, 4~5 months later it was still showing. That said, it is still an impressive feat, if you look at the top movies you'll notice most of them were released in the last 10 years, and i think this trend will continue for some time, in 10~20 years only TFA, Titanic and Avatar will still be in the top 10
Elsa finds a Rune Blade, and begins her hostile take over with her army of sentient snow monsters... >fun fact/creepy pasta: all her snow creatures gain life by fusing with the souls of Norse warriors , women and children
>>78657799 Elsa plunges the realm in foreverwinter until a man makes her orgasm. Unfortunately, everyone who tries freeze their cocks off. And then fair Anna with her trusty strap-on enters the picture. The dick gnomes can be comedy relief side-kicks.
Could be anything, but something I posted a while ago...
>Elsa is now past her fears and happier than she's ever been, but feels restless. In private, she constantly researches magic to try and learn if there's anyone else like her in the world. >Anna is going through the ups and downs of her relationship with Kristoff, which isn't as smooth as Frozen's ending suggested but finding its way. She notices something's up with Elsa but Elsa's still not used to opening up. >Both girls are under pressure as Elsa takes on her responsibilities as queen. Anna struggles to find her place in court and feels useless while Elsa seems to take to it well. >Diplomacy with the kingdom ruled by a sorceress is...tricky, and a rival of Arendelle's, thinking to fight fire with fire, tries to find sorcery of their own so Arendelle can't become a superpower. Meddling awakens something evil, like always. >Anna, Elsa, and Kristoff team up to stop the evil before it can ravage Arendelle and then the rest of Europe. Elsa gets some answers about magic but is left with some new questions. >Anna struggles in this movie with feeling useless, but she comes to see how much Elsa needs her support and learns to contribute in her own ways. She comes to understand her relationship with Elsa and Kristoff will never be perfect, but neither of them want anything more of her than to be Anna, and she ends the movie closer to both of them than ever. >Elsa comes into her own as a leader and an adult, no longer afraid of herself but learning to stand up for what she believes in and to take responsibility and protect the people she loves. >Elsa gets a qt magical lady friend of some sort. /frz/ explodes.
>>78664931 >who watch everything I doubt it, given how the same old subjects are much more likely to be successful at lasting than anything out of the ordinary. Of course, that's how it all works, but people even gotta ask questions constantly about lesser known works than bother with checking it out, even if it's just a short one-off animation/comic.
>>78668489 >He will never get redeemed because he is an awful human being with no remorse for his actions. Awww, but now you're mixing your silly headcanons with actual fact. We don't know if he feels remorse for his actions or not. Jennifer Lee has stated that she "sees Hans as a tragic figure, and a product of growing up without love". (You remember how love being the answer and healing everything is a big theme in Frozen, they even sang about in Fixer Upper)
We also have Santino Fontana stating in an interview that the creators "have an idea" and "want to bring you (Hans) back and redeem you". Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRApwIY98F4
Also, of course, you have the official art for the Hans/Elsa dollset that was recently released, where for some reason they really don't seem to be hating each other but rather having this flirty power game thing going on.
In any case, it's really unrealistic and delusional at this point to state things like "he will never get redeemed", when things point to it being likely. Sorry
>>78669393 Yeah, I really like the character, nicely ambiguous, interesting. I really want to get more backstory and see the Southern Isles desu
>>78673159 Well I'm pretty sure they wouldn't write her "just" forgiving him like that, there'd be some serious character development and actual redeeming action first, not just pretty words.
But in any case, the WDAS people are actually considering redeeming Hans - so if you think Elsa would never ever forgive him no matter what and it's "impossible", your understanding of Elsa (or Hans) might be a bit headcanon OOC : )
>>78658258 >niece is three years old and a huge fan of Frozen, although she doesn't quite understand the plot and asks her mom about why their parents died etc >one day she asked something about Hans, her mom gave some vague answer and then the kid asks, and I quote: >"but Hans loved Kristoff, didn't he?" >my fucking face when I was so busy shipping Elsa and Anna that I didn't even notice the potential of Kristoff/Hans >my fucking face when I was outdone by a three year old
>>78672585 If they show a side of Hans that wasn't in Frozen 1-- that is, a man who is angry, butter and hurt from his own family not loving him, that could be a gateway towards his redemption. In his experience, kings, queens, princes and princesses have all been vapid, shallow and cruel, which made him cynical to the point that he didn't even see the inherent wrong in killing Elsa or Ana. In his mind, he was maybe in some twisted way getting revenge for all the cruelty he'd been put through for his entire life.
>>78673665 You really think it's unlikely? Everyone loves a good redemption story where a hot villain sees the light and abandons their wicked ways, healed by love. In a movie with 2+2 hot main characters of each gender, and the other 2 paired up, you think it's unheard of that they'd pair the spares, too? Especially since they share similar burdens of the past?
I think it's bullshit because here you build the fucker to be a villain not just in the movie but in everything afterwards. The shorts, Once Upon a Time, and every book they wrote has stated he is a sociopath that only wants power.
>>78674085 All that stuff is extracurricular material, and the only thing that's canon is the movies. You'll feel awful silly later, when Disney makes you cry for a villain's tragic and feelsy reformation arc.
Yeah bullshit. You would have to undo all the crap he has done which there is no escape from. The general public sees him as a dick and he will die a dick. Just because you want to see your disgusting ship happen doesn't mean they will actually go through with it.
>>78674085 Dude OUAT has absolutely nothing to do with the movie canon. Even the OUAT creators themselves have said so, it's literally just filmatised crossover fanfic. Also the Frozen Heart book directly contradicts scenes that are straight-out animated in the movie (for example adding a group of people having a discussion that just are not there in the scene in the movie, happens a couple of times at least) and has a bunch of inconsistencies with the movie canon - so it's full-on AU tier as well.
The only canon things we've seen of Hans after Anna punches him off the ship, is him being locked in the brig of the ship and putting his head in his hands, and him shoveling horse manure looking disgruntled. That's all.
>>78674412 It's not just us wanting to see Hans redeemed, anon. Apparently the WDAS people would like to see him redeemed as well. And since they write the entire thing, their opinion matters somewhat
>>78677502 I posted the link upthread, in >>78672585 Here it is again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRApwIY98F4
Also I don't know where you're getting the "like nothing happened" or "retconning". I'm pretty sure they'd write him experiencing some proper character development and have him change and properly try to redeem himself
I call bullshit. Just because you want redemption doesn't mean it should happen. This is entirely out of his character. The guy is a murderous psychopath and only wants power. He is unsympathetic and doesn't deserve redemption. In fact, having him redeemed would completely undermine his character just because some people want to fuck him.
>all this unironic Hans/Helsa posting What the fuck senpai
What I'd like to happen: >political drama with the Southern Isles + Weselton >some tension in the Christian populace accepting that they're now ruled by a witch queen >the inherent fucked-up-ness in Elsa/Anna's relationship being explored a bit, honestly >do the lesbian
What's probably actually going to happen: >true love BETWEEN TWO SISTERS >fire powers!! >Anna/Kristoff fluff >that fucking snowman
>>78678497 It would also be cool (and unlikely) if the sequel consistently kept the tone that the original had in the opening number and ran with it. Something a little more serious, with hints of the mysterious. Something influenced heavily by Slavic folklore. Swords, runes, the fae, that sort of thing. You get this a little in the original, usually when they're trying to focus on Elsa's powers, but I wish there was more of it.
Impossible dream: the trolls will be revealed for the amoral terrifying Fey creatures that they are
>>78678380 Also conversely, just because you don't want to see Hans redeemed doesn't mean it shouldn't happen - and it definitely doesn't mean its "impossible".
That was the whole point - that it's a bit inaccurate to throw bold, sweeping statements like "he will NEVER be redeemed" or "he can't be redeemed, it's impossible" when the WDAS people themselves are playing with the thought so much they've even mentioned it to the VA.
We don't know if it'll happen or not, but considering what we know, it's definitely a possiblity.
>This is entirely out of his character. We haven't seen much of his true character at all though. His character could be written to rethink his values and want to redeem himself. >murderous psychopath and only wants power. That's just your personal headcanon. "Psychopath" especially is a bit much.
>having him redeemed would completely undermine his character just because some people want to fuck him. Oh, and now you're resorting to strawmanning, cute. The thing is that you don't know his character. Jennifer Lee, the person who wrote the script and developed a lot of the characters, has stated that she sees Hans as a TRAGIC character, the product of having grown up without love.
If you combine those views expressed by the Disney creators, that they see him as tragic and are thinking of redeeming him - well, it's not quite in line with your interpretation of totally irredeemable psychopath who doesn't deserve redemption, now is it. And once again, none of us know how it'll go, it's up to what the Disney people decide.
TLDR: The point is that the Disney people themselves, the people who created and wrote the character and are the only ones who know what really went on in his head, see him as someone tragic who could very well be redeemed - and have in fact said they "want" to redeem him. Therefore, you can't say that he's "irredeemable" or "doesn't deserve redemption" when clearly the creators disagree with you
>>78678843 >"Psychopath" especially is a bit much. He's manipulative and capable of shutting off his empathy. That's textbook psychopathy.
> Therefore, you can't say that he's "irredeemable" or "doesn't deserve redemption" when clearly the creators disagree with you They can change their mind you know. They could come to the conclusion, after careful reflection, that he is, in fact, irredeemable.
>>78678933 I'd think they've carefully reflected on him when they created him and went through everything that happened in his mind scene by scene during animating him so that they'd get him right.
When you write a character and spend a lot of time constructing them, who they are, how they think, what they want, why they act how they act, all that - you get to know them pretty well. It's somewhat unlikely that your picture of the character you yourself created would then suddenly fundamentally change.
"Textbook psychopathy" also has a whole lot of other criteria, it's not just "manipulative and capable of toning down your empathy". Once again, he's a fictional character, so what and who he is is entirely up to the WDAS people. They can write him have a fairy godmother who turns him good and has him sprout wings with a flick of a magic wand, if they want (I hope not, sounds like a shit plot).
>>78679039 Everyone knows he tried to kill Elsa, really. We all watched the movie. Don't be daft.
>>78679754 She's 20/30 years older than the rest of them if I'm remembering my timelines correctly. Not that that's something Disney would care about keeping straight. If she gets introduced as being their age it would be pretty cool, she and Eugene can pull shenangians to try and get Elsa out of her shell more.
>>78679943 > I'd think they've carefully reflected on him when they created him and went through everything that happened in his mind scene by scene during animating him so that they'd get him right.
That was then, this is now. You start the process over again when you make a new story.
>It's somewhat unlikely that your picture of the character you yourself created would then suddenly fundamentally change.
True, but you do get all kinds of crazy ideas, and you have to constantly remind yourself to check to see how plausible they are. Things get cut for being 'out of character' all the time. The entire process of making a movie is cutting bad ideas out of your story.
> Once again, he's a fictional character, so what and who he is is entirely up to the WDAS people
This is completely irrelevant. You can retcon whatever you want and that won't make it a good idea. Yes you could technically re-write him to make him go from psycho to nice guy, but that's just going to ruin the story and piss the audience off. I'm not saying they can't do it, I'm saying they probably won't because it's a dumb idea. Your example of what they 'can' do even re-enforces this. There's no way to redeem him (and definitely not shack him up with someone way out of his league) without it falling flat on its face.
Like you said, they CAN do anything. They could make the story about Olaf and Sven falling in love and having snowdeer babies. They won't though.
> it's not just "manipulative and capable of toning down your empathy"
The difference in empathy between a neurotypical and a psychopath is the primary difference. The other criteria are ancillary. He's a psycho, deal with it.
>>78679754 She'd be 80+ though. Tangled has been stated by the directors to take place in the 1780s and Frozen takes place, according to the Art of Frozen book and the year on the map on pic related, in the 1840s.
Around 60 years of difference. Might be still cool of course, to get mentions of this Old Queen of Corona who had magical powers. But I doubt Disney would screw their Princess franchise like that, showing the Princesses as really old - although with Leia in the latest Star Wars, hmm, I don't know.
But in any case, Rapunzel as she appeared in her own movie won't happen unless there's some time travel shenanigans for the sake of shoehorning the crossover in.
Link for the Tangled reference, (though it's been mentioned elsewhere too, I think); http://collider.com/byron-howard-nathan-greno-interview-tangled/
>>78680300 Again with the retconning. They wouldn't need to "retcon" anything though, there's no need to pretend that something that happened in the first movie actually wouldn't have happened at all, since we know so little of him and his motivations and thoughts. You can headcanon him as a "psycho" if you like, doesn't mean he actually is one. There's not enough information.
I said it before, but people do actually like redemption arcs or ambiguous, tragic antiheroes, that sort of thing. So I'm not at all convinced it'd "ruin the story and piss the audience off". Someone earlier mentioned Peridot from Steven Universe as a "redeemable" villain - and she was shown to be very cold and callous at first, crushing her own infobot, tried to smash Steven without a hint of emotion or regret, tried to trap and kill the gems and crush them many times, planned to cause the apocalypse without giving a shit about destroying all life on the planet etc. Pretty villainous. Even after being apprehended by the Gems she tried to suck up to whoever she perceived to be the highest-ranking gem, because she thought that'd improve her position.
But, apparently she's completely redeemable because she was shown experiencing emotion, being silly and non-threatening, being scared, being cute, acting friendly.
So I don't quite agree with the "it'd ruin everything" attitude. I think it'd be an awesome sideplot.
But at this point it's just repeating headcanons and opinions at each other, which is pretty pointless because I don't think either is going to change their mind because someone else tells them it can't go like that because they don't want it to.
>>78681026 It's an easter egg, anon. Disney has put easter eggs like that, characters from other movies showing up in crowds, statues, toys, stuff like that in pretty much all of their movies for decades.
It does not in any way mean the movies exist in the same time and place. It's just a visual gag for the fans to spot. For example pic related doesn't mean Hercules killed Scar.
The Rapunzel and Eugene easter egg has just gotten a life of its own because some fans were being newfag plebs and took it for real and hyped it so much some clickbait articles appeared about it.
It's an easter egg that means nothing. Similarly the Mickey Mouse plush in the Arendelle castle library doesn't mean that Disney exists in the Frozenverse. Similarly Goofy and Donald Duck appearing among the underwater concert guests does not mean they can breathe underwater and actually exist in the Little Mermaid-verse.
>>78681048 >I said it before, but people do actually like redemption arcs or ambiguous, tragic antiheroes, that sort of thing.
No one said otherwise. But nobody writes a redemption story about Hitler.
> But, apparently she's completely redeemable because she was shown experiencing emotion, being silly and non-threatening, being scared, being cute, acting friendly.
More importantly, she never did what Hans did and manipulate the gems emotionally. She never built up their trust only to cut their heartstrings later. She clearly broadcast that she on a mission from the beginning, the gems were openly hostile from the beginning, and she cared more that the gems got in her way than anything else.
Crushing a non-living bot and attacking known hostile enemies (who were also traitors, btw) is nowhere near plotting regicide, making Elsa think that she'd killed her true love, and trying to murder Anna by locking her away from a heat source right after rubbing it in her face that she was gullible.
Peridot is honest, Hans is not. She'll fuck up her enemies. Hans will fuck with their minds. That's the difference.
>>78683242 There's a Middle Eastern princess that Elsa goes to visit in one of the novels because she thinks the princess' fire powers are fucking up her kingdom's client. Elsa learns about biomes, and they become gal pals. Don't think they'd bring her in for the movie though.
>>78678380 Are you for real? You're basically describing Azula here. >In fact, having him redeemed would completely undermine his character just because some people want to fuck him. This is the most ironic post I've ever seen.
>>78657799 I'm hopping for a crossover with others Hans Christian Andersen stories, when Hans commented he was the the the younger of twelve brothers I really thought it was a reference to the wild swans.
>>78692766 What kind of timescale are we talking here? Doing it in the inevitable gritty/mature reboot sometime between 2040 and 2050 isn't all the implausible. Also what level of canon are we talking here? Full on center-of-the-story canon is unlikely but subtle hints or background evidence isn't that unlikely.
It depends on other things too, like how the demographics of the fanbase shift in the future. If eventually it shows that the only people still engaging with the franchise are Elsanna shippers, well then guess what kind of content they'll produce.
Remember that money is what motivates them, it's all about what's profitable. If the culture changes towards incest acceptance, so to will their product strategy.
>>78657799 It takes place one year after the first one, and we see Elsa who has let herself go and the whole movie will deal with how it's ok if you're a self-loathing fat pig, ahem, I mean, curvaceous, strong and independent woman, because it's your body and your choice.
>>78694402 what kind of engaging with the franchise are we talking here? Sperging online and creating fanworks? Or, you know, actually spending a lot of money for Frozen-themed products, shows etc for your kids?
Just because the parents demographic is practically nonexistent in the online fandom bastions of tumblr, reddit, 4chan and fanfic sites doesn't mean they're not the demographic who actually spends the most cash on the franchise, meaning that's who the content caters to.
It's easy to lose sight of the big picture if you hang in online fandoms too much, you can start to think it's all done for late-teens - 20something hardcore fans since that's the people you interact with, and it's easy to start imagining "the fandom" is essentially your little online corner of it and the attitudes and views prevalent in that corner would somehow be more widespread.
>If the culture changes towards incest acceptance Seriously though. Seriously. Listen to yourself
>>78658297 Kristoff gets super speed after a bolt of lightning hits some chemicals he was experimenting with, and heads back to Arendale for revenge. Anna builds a flame thrower and Sven learns to use boomerangs to help defend the land.
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