TDKR Batman vs Superman is really well written, it comes across as incredibly desperate and Batman fights really dirty and pulls every resource he can to bring Superman down. It feels earned and like Bruce spent years upon years scraping together every little resource he can find and in the end Bruce still has to fake his death in order to escape the fight. It's also pretty grounded, other than a chunk of Kryptonite Bruce uses pretty straightforward weapons to fight Supes.
Then we have Endgame where Batman pulls all kinds of complete bullshit like miniature red suns and Kryptonite Chewing Gum and a super computer that is as fast as speedforce and a magic lasoo that comes out of nowhere.
Aquaman's is the most insulting. Fucking bubblegum or some shit.
>>68034485 >>68034485 Eh, just like with Dick I don't think the person who killed their parents should really come back. Hope this is a hallucination. Wasn't a fan of Zucco coming back in the Nightwing run and this makes me a nervous.
>>68034673 If Court of Owls and Death of the Family are any indication Snyder will just set up all this mystery and then cop out at the end with some "Oh Joker just photoshopped himself and made up all this bullshit because theatricality and deception" or some shit.
His attempt to force the multiple choice past in Zero Year when it clearly wasn't compatible was the weakest part of that story.
This is the reason for all the Snyder hate here, the refusal to admit that Grant Morrison just wasn't that great at Batman. His writing was sloppy and pretentious at best and he had some of the worst ideas imaginable or resurrected some of the worst ideas, like the fucking Club of Heroes bullshit and "everything is canon".
Snyder's Batman material outclasses Morrison's in every way imaginable. He tells Batman stories, not Cosmic Super God DC Gestalt Batman, and with flair and vigor. Morrison just wants to make everything into his bit over arching mythology that's a lot of self-indulgent twaddle. He's an overrated hack.
>>68034745 This and Morrison is best Batman writer in recent years In fact I think that Morrison is one of the best Batman writers and that he does Batman better than any other standard iconic superhero...yes including Supes, ASS is overrated as fuck.
>>68034792 I wouldn't really compare the two, though I will say the colorists on both books are fantastic.
My only real complaint with Capullo is that he gives everyone the same resting face like in >>68034396 where the page is ruined (ok not ruined but it took me out of it for a minute) because Alfred's daughter has the ol sameface.
They're just entertaining, colorful heroes in costumes. That's all Bill Finger, Jerry Seigel, Denny O'Neil, Greg Rucka, or any competent writer has ever written them as. Morrison wants to turn canon superheroes into his own big mythology project like he's fucking Alan Moore, except he's terrible.
Stop trying to turn superheroes into these big fucking abstract metaphysical concepts. It's self-important wankery. Morrison should write actual STORIES, not fucking post-modern experiments in literature. Nobody reads comics for that shit. Read On A Winter's Night A Traveler if you want that and leave Batman out of it.
>>68034808 Capullo is great, like I love him but recent work on Detective comics by Manapul is easily superior, at least for me The art, the coloring, angels and panels, everything is so perfect for Batman and never feels awkward
>>68034825 >Morrison wants to turn canon superheroes into his own big mythology project like he's fucking Alan Moore, except he's terrible. He isn't forcing anything on you, that's what he always says and that's what Multiversity is saying You can see it anyway you want you faglord >Stop trying to turn superheroes into these big fucking abstract metaphysical concepts Why? > It's self-important wankery Buzzword that can be parroted when you have no real argument other than "I don't like meta things" >Morrison should write actual STORIES he does > not fucking post-modern experiments in literature. again why? just because you don't like it? >Nobody reads comics for that shit. A lot do
>>68034865 Well yeah it was perfect for the issues he did and fit Dickbats really well but I can't say he would fit all of Batman Capullo and Manapul fit general Batman a lot better and coloring is just amazing
>>68034583 >Hello, Bruce That's the only part I don't like, I mean what's the deal. I though Joker wasn't interested in Batman's secret identity. And don't give me that "it's not a joke anymore scenario".
I know Joker has been gone for quite some time before his return, but am I the only one who is already completely and utterly sick of this faggot after like 2 chapters? He's just such an incredibly boring villain and has even more plot armor than Batman himself. How many more "Joker is dead! OH WAIT NOPE HE ISN'T" can they pull?
>>68034950 The writing isn't green, so it's could just be Jokerized Gordon there. I mean we can't see the full face and it was pretty obvious Gordon was getting infected. It would be something else to admit Gordon knows the secret identity, but we've all suspected for a while.
>>68034465 1. Batgod status jacked up to near maximum...
2. Only to drop down low immediately afterwards in a bizarre contrast, because the guy who can fight Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, and Aquaman, and builds a goddamn robot suit with miniature red suns to do so, somehow still can't handle a fucking homicidal clown.
It probably wouldn't be as much of a problem if the latter didn't immediately follow the former.
3. DotF sucked really, really hard, and sets low expectations for this Joker story.
This is kind of... good? Yeah, it's pretty good. I know Joker has sort of become an unfunny eldritch lunatic in recent years, so why not fully run with it? Have Joker being a creepy, possibly supernatural monster that just jumps from person to person.
>>68034545 Things seem to be getting more and more surreal. This issue by far is the fucking weirdest most out there one. I think it's going to be like that The Batman episode when he thought Gotham was being infected by some zombie virus but in the end he was the one who was infected with some crazy hallucination virus thanks to Strange.
>>68034513 You act like it hasn't been 20+ years since DKR has been written. With the advent of all this new tech and proposal for new tech and the power creep that is rampant in cape comics, new writers are going to come up with more dynamic scenarios.
How he beat Aquaman was pretty standard. WW was a nice inversion of the bullshit we got in Babel/DOOM even if it had no introduction prior, Flash was dumb. Superman made sense since he spit a concentrated amount of refined kryptonite into his eye. Just having it near him makes him weak, introducing it into his body through a mucous membrane like that would work even faster
>>68035506 Do you people realize Joker is like top tier in terms of dangerous adversaries? He's done something like this in Joker's Last Laugh where parts of the world were getting infected and it was a JL wide crossover event.
He's survived all sorts of abuse and can even fuck "The Devil" over as evidenced by Morrison's stuff.
He did that whole Emperor Joker thing in Superman/Action comics years back
Even Cassandra Cain couldn't read him and had issues with stopping him with her hax kungfu
I know people don't like him and think he's just a clown and I'm not a fan either but many writers have characterized him as something removed from the norm compared to other baddies like Two Face or Luthor or something. It's been a thing for awhile and partly due to him becoming Batman's top baddie post-Knightfall.
>>68035987 >Do you people realize Joker is like top tier in terms of dangerous adversaries? He's done something like this in Joker's Last Laugh where parts of the world were getting infected and it was a JL wide crossover event. >He's survived all sorts of abuse and can even fuck "The Devil" over as evidenced by Morrison's stuff. >He did that whole Emperor Joker thing in Superman/Action comics years back
And yet after all this, shooting him once even while he's trying to kill you with an axe and burning down the place is still an OH MY GOD, I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAD TO DO THAT, I'M A MONSTER, I'M WORSE THAN HIM, THERE'S NO HOPE FOR HUMANITY moment.
>>68036059 Isn't this just something we have to accept as a convention, like how the characters never remember that death is meaningless?
Same thing with them not remembering all the terrible things the Joker has done, because if you added them all up there would be no doubt that killing him is the right thing. They're always reacting like *this* is the worst thing he's ever done.
I just wish he'd go back to doing some clown crimes or hanging out with mobsters or something.
>>68034536 Oh my God, I understand Batman can't kill the Joker cause "muh slippery slope" and retarded morality, which actually works with his OCD characterization, but Gordon's a hard-bit cop. He's really gonna try to arrest the Joker in this scenario? C'mon.
>>68036130 Even if killing the Joker wasn't the right thing to do (it is), I think at this point after so many countless deaths any decent cop worth his badge, no, any decent human being would be willing to be the "bad guy" in this context and put a bullet in him to save the rest of humanity from having to deal with his shit time and time again.
I guess if Joker really is a mystical prankster ghost that might change things, but come ooonn.
>>68036331 >hundreds and hundreds of pages Gordon's had a handful of confrontations with Joker, in most of them he actively shoots the Joker.
In this, it's very clear that he's not hesitating because of morality, he's hesitating because he's scared. Joker literally crawled out from under his bed. He knows Gordon's secrets, and it looks like he's been alive and active for over a century.
He's hesitating because he's scared a bullet won't work.
>>68036425 Nah, he's absolutely right. Snyder's Batman run has been the shittiest, edgiest garbage that DC has put out in a long time. If ANYONE else was drawing this, I would have dropped it ages ago. I stick around because I love Capullo and the way he draws Batman is brilliant. Snyder's dialogue is like the same person is speaking, every time. He can't get into a characters voice, and when he does it feels forced. His Joker is the worst iteration of the Joker ever, I think it's fair to say.
>>68036483 >Snyder's dialogue is like the same person is speaking, every time. Man I just noticed that when I was listening to the whole exchange between Bruce, Alfred, and his daughter. I had to count speech bubbles to be sure who was speaking at any time.
>>68036943 >Batman never noticing that the joker was in every old picture A few old pictures of a hospital. >implying Gordon was incompetent in this >implying a batarang would stop a bullet >implying joker is even there for him to kick
>>68036682 Edgiest is a weak complaint since Batman has always been the darker hero.
Zombified assassins is not particularly edgy. Creepy Joker isn't either and once again Synder wasn't the initiator of it. Morrison was for Black Mirror and Daniels was for DOTF. The voice complaint really comes across only when Batman and Alfred Jr are talking about case shit.
Even this scenario is straight from the Damian Batman Future issues during Morrison's run.
Characters like Joker, Lincoln March, Nightwing, Damian, Harper, etc all come out pretty noticeably when they're in panel.
Legit complaints I've seen is that the endings don't really seem to come out with any real changes as they seem to be leading towards and are hyped in. Then again it's possible that Synder just wants to set up big bad returns with baddies like James Jr, OwlMan and Joker which we see is the case with this arc (allegedly). That and his Bruce comes off as a straight up dick sometimes.
As for shittiest version of Joker, it's straight up plothax Joker that works for plothax Batman. To be fair, he always seems to be the bad guy who can screw everyone over because he's the Joker.
See Under the Red Hood, Arkham video games, The Dark Knight movie.
>>68036943 Honestly i'm expecting all of this to be a fever dream.
>Joker managing to infect the JL >Batman being able to beat an unrestrained JL >A whole city becoming Joker zombies >Joker surviving Gordon's bullet >Joe chill and the recreation of Crime Alley >Either Joker or Gordon calling Batman "Bruce."
I'm expecting this all to go the way of Perchance to Dream.
>>68037029 >See Batman TAS opening. And the other episodes where he doesn't throw in time to stop bullets? >Gordon was incompetent by not double checking the Joker was dead Are you the same guy bitching about him being stupid for saying in his burning apartment? Now he's incompetent for not stepping into flames to check a burning body's pulse? >Is highly unlikely that Batman never saw those pictures since they seem to represent part of Gotham´s history. Its also highly unlikely that Batman didnt notice the Joker when he saw the pictures They represent one part of one part of Gotham's history. As they've shown since the new 52, Batman doesn't know everything about Gotham, otherwise the Owls wouldn't have been a threat at all.
And it's just as likely Joker simply edited the pictures more recently to freak someone out.
>>68037034 Probably but the tweest will be that Bruce was indeed infected with a new Joker venom that will warp his mind into Joker 2.0 leading into The Superior Batman in which Batman uses wacky antics and shitty jokes to fight crime
>>68037517 I was under the impression that he couldn't see Bruce's face when he showed him the card but it's also a mistake since preNew52 Batman is canon due to Morrison's long ass epic and Batman RIP confirmed that Joker knew Batman was Bruce Wayne so it shouldn't be a surprise since Bruce knew that Joker, Jezebel and Hurt all knew who he really was when his mind was restored.
>>68034772 Synder's Batman is more "grounded" in that he does go around solving mysteries (yes people he does. Go read Synder's stuff again to see actual detecting from Dick/Bruce) but Morrison's run was all about paying homage to all the major eras of Batman and legacy so of course it was this grand sweeping epic where Batman was traveling through time and fighting evil itself.
>>68036483 >Snyder's dialogue is like the same person is speaking, every time.
Yeah. Him. Looking forward to reading these same lines in the next Snyder interview on CBR. I can't tell if he likes what he says in the interviews and then puts it in books or he thinks his scripts are such treasure chests of complexity and poetic beauty he just needs to quote them to whoever wants to listen.
>>68037034 Nah, Snyder prides himself on not pulling any punches in his Batman stories. You know how Joker actually blinded Alfred and cut off the faces of Batkids? That kind of not-pulling punches. fucking Snyder. I'd say that you are right and that's what is going to happen, but then again, I think he might actually pull a third option out of his ass that's even dumber.
>>68037770 It's about the unpredictability of him. Joker's mind works on another level is what the writers are trying to convey. Cassandra's skill at body reading puts her at a very good advantage even the best hand to hand fighters have tells she can read.
So when you have this warped individual that negates that, it's supposed to tell you that he's outside of the norm. Considering Batman's best asset is his rationality and ability to break down how people think then it becomes a problem because no matter how he looks at it, it doesn't make sense. Again, it's how I think a lot of writers try to justify Joker being so dangerous but one thing that has been consistent with him is that he's an expert at coming up with poisions and toxins so all the little chemistry nods by Synder like the "Ha" Element are excellent and totally in line with even the oldest takes on the character
>>68037612 Snyder makes explicit the stuff that was there but not spoken out loud in a blunt manner. Joker knows Batman's ID. Gotham is a living entity. Joker is a force of nature. Bruce is just a mask. Joker is in love with Batman. He just hits you with this shit, proud in the notion that no one thought of this before him.
>>68037630 >I was under the impression that he couldn't see Bruce's face when he showed him the card Bruce's narration directly states that he was looking right at the Joker and Joker was looking through him as if he were invisible.
>>68037745 >he does go around solving mysteries Nope.
For detective work to be necessary in a piece of fiction, there must be a mystery to solve: a whodunnit?
None of Snyder's Batman stories are mysteries. They're sci-fi/action/horror stories. There's no central question lurking behind the narrative that needs to be found out. We know "whodunnit" from the outset.
Snyder routinely throws in a couple of scenes of Bruce investigating as a means of tricking your brain into thinking that there's some kind of proper mystery afoot.
But there simply isn't one.
More troubling is that, thus far, Snyder's stories have all centered around the same basic concept: "Batman and Gordon must save Gotham from being destroyed by a catastrophic threat."
He's basically lifted that structure from the Nolan films, specifically Batman Begins.
>>68039355 Because Batman would bust out his anti-heroes weapons for messing with his turf.
You know, speaking seriously for a second, all these Anti-League weapons are really worring. Batman propably spends weeks firguring out ways to fuck over his allies, but every time the Scarecrow or Poison Ivy of anyone of his rogues busts out of Arkham, he barely manages to hold them off, six issues at a time. I think he needs to get his priorities straight.
>>68040664 This is maybe the thing I dislike most about Snyder's Batrun.
I'm no hater. Snyder seems to be a nice, passionate guy who's putting forth his best effort. And Capullo is surely one of DC's better artists.
But despite all the unnecessary grime; and despite the wonky asspull plot twists; and despite the consistently awful portrayal of The Joker, I think the worst part about Snyder's tenure is his rage-y, spastic, illogical Bruce.
Just the other day I was reading Paul Pope's Batman Year 100. In that, Batman is a smooth, smart, collected sort of guy. He's spooky and reserved. He uses advanced meditation techniques. His mind is "like a steel trap" and he transforms into a ferocious beast when it comes to a fight.
Morrison's Bruce was similarly charismatic, (maybe up until Inc Vol 2.) He cast Bruce as a sort of moody James Bond, always prepared with a quip or a tidy "hh" to drop in the face of evil.
But Snyder's Bruce is an emotional, messy child. Dude is always melting down and growling and getting in arguments. He rarely ever smiles, and instead of smart one-liners, he's got shit like this, (pic related.) This is Miller parody comic-level writing.
Joker's a narcissist. His whole plot in DoTF was "Look, Bats, what we got is special. These kids you got hanging out around you are killing our act. I'm gonna make it better by taking them all out. Because, as I may have mentioned, are relationship is important."
By singling out Joker as the thing he hates most of all, Batman is feeding into Joker's vanity.
He's going, "Ah, shit, Joker. You're right. You are special."
That's shit-tier Batman writing.
Bruce is smarter than that. He's not the kind of person who would so easily give The Joker a sense of satisfaction in that manner.
He could have gone to the chair and said nothing. Capullo could have given the scene some nice tension by reaaaaaaly stretching out the time it takes for Batman to walk across the room, sit in the chair, lift the crown onto his head...the whole bit. That would have been a powerful scene, one where, (by showing), the storytellers tell us how badly Joker's got Batman beat.
Maybe Batman sits in the chair and drops a glib one liner. Or maybe he lets of a spooky laugh of his own. You know, something to get under Joker's skin. Something to say, "Listen, maybe you think you've won, and that's great, but I'm the Batman and that's the Batfam. Ain't no way you got us beat."
But instead we have SnyderBats who does everything he can to stop himself from straight-up throwing a tantrum.
>>68034485 >Batman faces a quarantined viewing room in a hospital. >He begins pressing holographic buttons on the glass...? >The patient in the room approaches the glass. It's Joe Chill! The man who killed Batman's parents! >Suddenly, to Batman's immediate left, is a stage, set with a abstract representation of Crime Ally, circa the Wayne's murder >A family emerges from the theater, dressed like the Waynes. It's not exactly clear who they are or how they got here or why they're dressed this way. The kid is on his knees for some reason. >Suddenly, Joe Chill is on the other side of the glass and is now creeping around the back corner of the set >Joe Chill approaches the family with a gun, Batman takes on a comical pose. >Batman breaks through the glass. The glass was directly in front of him and the set was to his immediate left. Now the glass is in front of the set. >Batman takes the bullet for the family. >Suddenly, in the time it took for the father to say six words, they are SURROUNDED by a couple dozen maniacs, who are now filing through the single-human-sized hole Batman left in the glass >The mother and father IMMEDIATELY are infected, Batman and the kid duck back behind the stage and suddenly are in a hallway
What the fuck is any of this?
Like, increasingly I'm assuming that the twist surrounding this series is that it's all a hallucination, brought on by the experiments with fear toxin Bruce was shown doing early on.
It would explain why every issue starts with Bruce in some kind of contraption. It would explain how Joker's now a ghost. It would explain a lot.
But what if that's not the case? What if Snyder is trying to pass all this off as being real? Because, should this all be genuine, this is some Batman-Odyssey-level bullshit nonsense.
>>68034642 Zero Year really wasn't as good as everyone made it out to be.
Making Joker into a criminal genius, was not exactly the best move. Making it really obvious who the Joker was, that was not a great idea, with the jutting chin and all. Red hood was always meant to be a 'you never know who's under there' type of deal. Meanwhile, we have Riddler literally destroying Gotham, unnecessarily with his black out shit. I like Riddler, but C'mon.
so the only reason I could fathom for a cop not shooting Joker on sight is they are too afraid killing him will be worse than leaving him alive. They're somewhat used to him. Kill him and it makes a void. Or maybe something will kick off they'll never see coming as Joker's Dying Laugh. Or maybe nothing. They don't know and they're too afraid to lose what semblance of sanity they still grasp. But honestly why doesn't Bruce throw Hoker in the phantom zone?
>>68034772 >This is the reason for all the Snyder hate here, the refusal to admit that Grant Morrison just wasn't that great at Batman. Except it was one of the best runs Batman ever had, yes it is a shame Batman Inc had an anticlimactic finale but the rest was worth reading.
Snyder is pretty much like Dan Slott. Both go after writers who not only had a great run, but a memorable run, and that is hard as nails to follow, and it is made worse by the fact both writers have a rather sloppy writing style.
>>68040985 >But Snyder's Bruce is an emotional, messy child. Which is terrible because the comic itself lacks any emotion, it is just fucking bland, I feel nothing over these plot twists. They are just overcomplicated schemes that very hard to swallow, and pointless. You know Bats will save the day, you know none of this will matter, and Snyder keeps digging up the Joker because he can't write a credible threat.
Fuck Endgame is just like that Batman TAS episode with the Joker Fish, but with more grim, edge, and other bullshit it doesn't need. It is the same story you have heard a hundred time snow.
>>68043097 You act like Batman dismissing Joker is new. He calls him human scum in Arkham Asylum when that doctor talks about understanding him. He says something similar in Hush when he's about to choke him out and Gordon stops him. He says he wants nothing more than to kill him in Under the Red Hood. He despises him completely and understandably so. Him saying that time and time again isn't akin to the spaz outs he had in Zero Year or whatever you're saying
But let me guess: >Bwaaah! The Joker is back! >Also the Joker is alive! >Uh oh, looks like Joker's back to his wacky Shenanigans! >Oh whoops, somehow he knows a crucial part of my personal life! >There goes THAT side character! >Dramatic fight scene >Joker is kill >;_; >Your not so different you and I >The end
>>68048660 Except Morrison was good through out and JMS went to shit after Ezekiel's stuff was done and he made the worst Spidey story ever with Sins Past. Making hem Peter's kids would've been slightly better but I think it's completely out of character for Gwen not to have said anything about it and the rapid aging wouldn't have made sense
Man I really liked the set up for Court of Owls, but the ending was so 'meh'. Death of the family was the same thing, loved the set up and was expecting Joker's Swan Song but nope. Let down ending again. Zero Year was too fucking long to really care about while it was going on, but I actually enjoyed the ending of it.
With Endgame I'm hoping the ending somehow brings it all together, cause these three issues so far have been terrible so far.
It sucks since I love Snyder in other books. Wake/American Vamp/Wytches so far/Detective Comics were|are all great. Just makes me wonder what it is about writing the main Bat book that's gotten him so hit or miss.
>>68039027 He doesn't really go for grey because a bad thing's a bad thing, but he's more than capable of writing VULNERABLE villains.
Take for example, you had the assassin that murdered Animal Man's family. Horrid thing, but Morrison humanizes this bastard by showing that he suffers from diabetes and is piss-scared of Buddy's vengeance, outright begging for his life when he's at the hero's mercy.
Then there's Sir Miles from the Invisibles, who practically becomes a secondary protagonist in the third volume despite trying to bring about a very rotten outcome.
>>68043748 It's comforting to know that Joker is also great at Photoshop and hacking into really specific websites that Gordon might check out to change their articles. I was already scared that besides being a Nobel prize-tier chemist, a master of disguise, bulletproof, able to regenerate his face and able to take down the Justice League without special bubblegum, microscopic red suns and 100 million bucks he wasn't also good with computers.
>>68043698 >Making it really obvious who the Joker was, that was not a great idea, with the jutting chin and all. Red hood was always meant to be a 'you never know who's under there' type of deal.
Yeah, well, that's the deal with Snyder. He takes some unspoken thing about Batman mythology and then just blurts it out. It's part of his "aww shucks little Scotty so humble" routine, where he speaks about standing on the shoulders of giants then proceeds to try to one up them with every fucking story. Some kind of ultimate story syndrome. No he can't write a Joker story if it's not "for realzies this time". It's always, he escapes and goes on a killing spree while babbling on about his relationship with Batman and how it relates to everything. Fuck, if this story is not a hallucination, and the Joker knows Batman's id, Joker is fucking toxic for the next writer. Where do you fucking go from there?
>>68055034 But Alan Moore isn't terrible, he's a good writer, but he's become so jaded by being fucked over one too many times that he's turned into a reverse Wizard Shazam. He always has a point to his story, and gives a good message without self-inserting himself like Morrison has done time and time again.
Gotta say, I really dig this new angle they're going for the Joker. His design in this has been slick as fuck and I like how they're incorporating a kind of supernatural element into his background. I just hope that they kind of make it a bit of both, biological and supernatural with the supposed crazy clown dude dying where Ace Chemicals was built.
>>68057659 The hair actually looks a lot better than I thought it would, but it's obviously going to change at some point. In some years people will be like "man that was so 2010's!". Just like those stupid non-costume costumes they got Batgirl and Spiderwoman wearing.
>>68061370 >But then Batman comes along and says “No, life matter.” The message that Batman purports to Gotham by telling them to fight back against their fears. >So then the Joker rises to this epic scale and says, “You’re right. You’ve almost won. You’ve given us both this meaning, and I serve you for that. Let go of the vestiges of your human life.” >So when Bruce doesn’t, Joker says “Now I’m going to show you what I always was. I am bigger than you. I am larger than life. And I’m leaving you all behind. I am the invisible hand behind a lot of what’s happened, and now I’m going to just sweep you all away.” That’s what The Joker is saying.
Does he think we are not picking u on this or something?
>Whether or not you believe its true is up to the reader. Batman and Jim Gordon clearly don’t believe it. But that’s part of the story’s mystery. If it’s true, then we’re all in big trouble. But if it’s not true, how is Joker pulling it all off?
We can call it know. It's gonna be left up to the reader to decide at the end.
>>68061472 >>68057659 >implying Macklemore invented slicked back top with short sides >implying anyone born within half a century invented slicked back top with short sides You people don't know shit about fashion. I don't know how far back that hairstyle goes, but it's way fucking further than Macklemore for fuck's sake.
>>68061528 He's answering a question of course he thinks the reader gets that. It's a major theme he's putting in the story and a common angle with Joker vs Batman. Logic vs Chaos. Reason vs Insanity. I know you guys hate him but you don't have to shit on him for things he hasn't done or said
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