I'm a script doctor, and WB recently hired me and three others who coordinate the scripts for their upcoming superhero movies, working with the assigned scriptwriters to create a cohesive tone and order of events, because one of their aspirations to differentiate themselves from Marvel Studios is to, rather than doing "Phases", have one ovearching storyline that spills into multiple movies, with the events of one reflecting on the other.
If you have any questions, I'll be here for a while.
BTW, I have also done gigs for Marvel and
they're totally getting Spider-Man back. They even have an actor in mind.
I think you're lying, grandpa.
I think it's that Batman v Superman deals with Superman damaging metropolis greatly, the following movie will probably deal with events that happened in Batman v Superman and so on.
Topher Grace only wants to play Eddie. It's why Raimi couldn't get him for Spider-Man.
Which is tragic, because Topher can't do Eddie Brock, but he would have been an awesome choice for Peter.
Have you seen the rumors posted about the JL movie featuring Braniac and GL coming to Earth warning about Darkseid, amongst others? Can you confirm, deny or elaborate on any of them?
Will DC use post-credits stingers?
Has Hardy or Smith finalized their deals for Suicide Squad? Who are they looking to play?
Is there any word on who WB is eyeing for Braniac, Shazam or Green Lantern?
For example, the events of "Dawn of Justice" and "Justice League" lead to the world finding out about Atlantis and its advanced military weaponry. This leads directly to "Aquaman", which is pretty much a political thriller about Aquaman trying to prevent a looming war between Atlantis and the surface and a plot to overthrow him.
Speaking of which, Black Manta is in the script, and he's fucking spot-on.
Do WW, Cyborg, etc. have cameos or appearances in BvS?
I'm the other script doctor at WB and this guy is completely messing with you.
Brainiac in "Justice League".
Darkseid in "Justice League 2".
Hal Jordan will be in the "Justice League" movies, but John Stewart will be his partner in the solo-movie, and might appear in further "Justice League" sequels down the line.
Her role as an ambassador is not very prominent so far. They want to sinergize with the New 52 as much as possible, and are drawing inspiration from Brian Azzarello's work for the movie.
I can confirm. I'll elaborate later.
Not finalized, but very likely. Smith was offered Deadshot, but he's now in talks for Rick Flagg, who is one of the three male leads. Hardy has offered Boomerang, and that's the role he's nearly signing for.
Benedict Cumberbatch interests them for Brainiac. Popular, interesting features and voice, and already has ties with the studio from his work on "The Hobbit". But they're still scouting.
For Green Lantern, I've heard a bunch of names ranging from Chris Pine, Zac Effron, Jake Gyllenhall, Jared Leto, Jack Huston... They're still figuring out quite how young they want Jordan to be. I hear Gyllenhall is at the top of their list now that he's getting Oscar buzz for "Nightcrawler".
No backstory or name given. He's just presented as a professional assassin hired to sabotage a peace treaty between Atlantis and the surface. As the movie progresses, he becomes more and more obsessed with killing Aquaman.
Pardon my /tv/, but they want a
big guyto measure up to Jason Momoa. Two names that are pretty popular with the writers, but I have no idea if the studio is acknowledging or interested in, are Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Djimon Hounsou.
Robin is in it, but Jena Malone isn't playing that role. She's
>this is in line with what other leakers have posted
Either you've done your research, OP, or you're telling the truth.
A few more questions, then.
Is WB sdlf-aware, or is this talk of dark and gritty what the execs believe actually sell tickets?
What's their take on the Flash? I've heard deep and personal, which is probably what they're going for, right?
Batman is a veteran vigilante, who's been active for five years when Superman appears. He's much more brutal than other versions, particularly because of
Robin's death. He believes Superman represents a threat and that's the driving force of their conflict.
Wonder Woman is an ambassador of Themyscira in Men's World. Not much is revealed about her in "Dawn of Justice", other than she has come to find Superman and her mission is to protect the humans.
Aquaman is the ruler of Atlantis. Not much is revealed about in "Dawn of Justice" either. He's half-human, half-Atlantean, and is sworn to protect the surface despite the objections of his subjects.
The Flash is Barry Allen, and the accident that created him is connected to the World Engine, which is the source of several problems and abilities throughout the movies. He has elements of Wally West's personality, he's the resident jokester, comic relief and the youngest member of the team, the guy that's really breaking into the superhero business.
Cyborg is created by LexCorp as part of a robotics program that also includes Lex Luthor and Metallo, which has more sinister purposes than it appears. He becomes a pivotal character for the team-up because of a certain ability he has. As expect, he'll be the dramatic crux, because of "MUH HUMANITY".
Jordan is stil in an earlier stage of development, but they want him to be charming. That's a word that's thrown around a lot. They want him to a fun, witty guy.
>Topher Grace only wants to play Eddie. It's why Raimi couldn't get him for Spider-Man.
That's the one that sounds the most like a lie.
I never heard that and it doesn't make sense.
>one of their aspirations to differentiate themselves from Marvel Studios is to, rather than doing "Phases", have one ovearching storyline that spills into multiple movies, with the events of one reflecting on the other.
That's obvious from the schedule posted.
Tell us more about Robin. Are the rumors true, and we're going to get a female Robin?
Both. The Trench is also involved.
He's the Flash.
Marvel wants Spider-Man for a while, but they don't need him. They offered Sony a deal for a joint venture, but Sony refused, because they had a lot riding on "The Amazing Spider-Man 2". The movie wasn't a flop, but it wasn't critically well-received either, and it didn't make enough money for its costs, especially in light the studio's dwindling resources. So they went back on the deal.
Basically, Spider-Man will join the MCU, in a clean slate, a reboot. But Sony will get a cut of the profits of the movies he's in, including certain distribution rights.
They want to be different from Marvel, so they're going for a grittier feel. It's a mandate these movies should take itself seriously. They can have humor, that "no jokes" policy rumor is bullshit, but it'll never be like, say, "The Avengers" or "Guardians of the Galaxy".
Yep, deep and personal, exploring a lot of what superspeed does to your body and mind.
I'm not OP. OP really ought to wear a name for this thread, just to avoid this sort of confusion. Topher Grace passing over Pete but jumping on Eddie is something I remembered from the Spider-Man 3 hype and interviews, but that was a long time ago, so I could be misremembering.
Robin is dead. They never say who he was, though. So he could've been Dick, Jason or even Tim. But he's the only Robin that Batman has had so far.
I really liked what Johns did to Green Lantern, and the Flash had a solid run with Johns and then Manapul. So I'm pretty excited to be part of the project.
True, I was just wondering in what capacity she would be present; do they already know each other and are a couple (like the comics) or would they meet for the first time (like the Throne of Atlantis adaptation)?
How bad are the religious overtones gonna be?
From what I remember they passed him over for Spidey 1 in favour of Maguire, but he was considered, then they called him back to be the mirror-type Eddie because they saw him as similar to the Pete they wrote.
Also when Spidey 1 was made That 70s show was pretty big. When Spidey 3 came by, it was already stale and he jumped ship.
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Cyborg all have their codenames one way or another. Arthur doesn't want one, he believes them to be dismissive. Barry keeps trying to make Aquaman happen throughout "Justice League", as a running gag.
Arthur warms up to it by the end.
Flash and Aquaman in this are what Flash and Green Lantern were in the cartoons.
We're in the Spitballing Stage, where he just throw names around, and the studio considers whether they're interested or not. For Mera, I've heard Emily Blunt, Olga Kurylenko, Gemma Arterton and Jessica Chastain.
Drawns inspiration from "The Curse of Shazam". Dr. Sivana is in it, and Black Adam, despite being the antagonist, has shades of grey as he is often portrayed to be. Given it is produced by New Line, ir sort of exists outside of the more grittier world that's being built by WB. It's a more cheery movie.
He's a warrior. Atlantis is a much more barbaric society than other versions, they deal with underwater monsters on a daily basis.
They want to make Aquaman a badass. The kidn that takes a shot point blank in the forehead, gets a minor cut and shrugs it off.
It could be. It's an in-between. We won't see direct references, but we won't see contradictions either.
>The kidn that takes a shot point blank in the forehead, gets a minor cut and shrugs it off.
So, like pic related.
That'd be really cool for the one's who've been all over in movies and TVs. A lot of Marvel's couldn't afford to do that, but DC can. Except Cyborg. He probably needs an origin movie.
They maintained their expectations reasonably down in terms of costs, which is why there was such a marketing push, but yeah, they were aiming a little higher.
Goyer was approached to be the Kevin Feige of this new cinematic universe at first, but "Man of Steel" got WB re-evaluating their plans. His first draft for "Batman v Superman" felt too constricting, it didn't allow for broader, more fantastical elements that the studio did want to tackle. So they brought in Terrio at Ben Affleck's behest, and reworked their plan to maintain the grit, without losing the wit.
WW and Aquaman don't really have origin stories worth telling. I mean "ing of Atlantis" and "Ambassador of the Amazon" seem enough to me.
Is MMH really only for virgins?
What's the relationship between Superman and Batman like in BvS and future movies?
Is there an actual fight between them? How does it go?
How is Luthor involved?
Is there anything about the Greek gods?
This is how I know you're full of shit.
If you're in ANY MCU film then you're under contract not to appear in any DC movies. So to say they're pursuing someone who can't even be in their movies is stupid.
>If you're in ANY MCU film then you're under contract not to appear in any DC movies.
I believe that's only for relevant actors/characters who are scheduled to appear in multiple movies.
They're polar opposites, and, although they begin as rivals, they grow to respect each other and eventually become friends.
It ends in a stalemate, as expected.
Luthor is the master manipulator. And I do mean that, he's brilliant. Even when it looks like he's been had, he pulls out on top.
The Olympians are inferred to be the "Old Gods" of the Third World. They're dying, and will soon be replaced by the New Gods of the Fourth World. That's an overarching storyline of the higher-budget movies.
>rather than doing "Phases", have one ovearching storyline that spills into multiple movies, with the events of one reflecting on the other.
That's literally exactly what Marvel's doing, except they have more characters to spread it out between.
That just sounds like "no i swear it's different because i said so."
That only applies if you have a multiple picture contract. Djimon doesn't, his character already died. Plus, we're spitballing anyway. WB might not even register him for the role.
Brainiac is an Artificial Intelligence that evolved beyond his creators' abilities. His directive is to collect knowledge of the entire Universe, and Krypton is one of the few planets that he couldn't do that. He is lured to Earth by the distress signal from the scout ship in "Man of Steel", and he joins forces with Luthor to capture Superman to his collection, due to Codex embedded in his DNA. In the process, he finds out about ther genetic birthright of the human race and is put at odds against the Justice League while attempting to seize it.
Darkseid is part of the New Gods who have emerged, and he is searching for Universal subjugation. The birthright is what attracts him to Earth and to battle with the Justice League. It's a fairly different interpretation of Darkseid.
>Luthor is the master manipulator. And I do mean that, he's brilliant. Even when it looks like he's been had, he pulls out on top.
Oh good, a writer who thinks he can brilliantly write a brilliant character!
That never goes wrong!
Does Superman have some big ideological confrontation with someone in BvS? One of the things that bothered me about MoS was how passive he seemed, he never really articulated why he wanted to save humanity. I'd like it if he and Luthor had a conversation where they pretty much laid out their worldviews.
>Darkseid is part of the New Gods who have emerged, and he is searching for Universal subjugation. The birthright is what attracts him to Earth and to battle with the Justice League. It's a fairly different interpretation of Darkseid.
So he searching for anti life? and what this birthright?
They're quite different in their motivations, and WB wants to emphasize their distinctive visuals by giving Brainiac the green-skinned look, with some minor additions to make him appear more artificial.
TV show. No connection to "Man of Steel", though, from what I hear.
They don't feel the need for him yet. But they have the "Escape from SuperMax" script in their vault and it still interests them.
Yes, there will be Kryptonite.
He clearly just grew up wanting to save people. Which made it laughable when his dad told him to let the kids on the bus drown. I doubt this superman is evolved enough to give a convincing ideological debate for what he does.
Remember, when the super hero movie fad dies down Marvel Studios will shut itself down and be collectively consumed by Disney. WB makes DC movies, when the fad dies down, they'll shrug it off and continue making movies.
I didn't do much for "Dawn of Justice", I'm praising what Terrio did with him.
That happens. Separated by a glass window.
The Meta-Gene. Which will tie with the human race's potential to become gods of the Fifth World, as Jor-El had predicted with the whole "guide them into the Sun" speech. Darkseid wants to harvest that for his own benefit, and to ensure his own immortality. All gods are fated to perish and give way to their replacements, but he is unwilling to die.
I'm not part of that, as they'll be self-contained and unrelated to the movies I'm working, but they want to tackle "Sandman", "Fables" and "100 Bullets" first. These are the ones in active development.
> glass window
Does it perchance look anything like this, OP?
Please say yes.
How does that public view Superman (in BvS and afterwards) and the other heroes?
Does the JL have a headquarter, like the Watchtower or the Hall of Justice?
Do we see the Batcave? What is it like?
Is there something like the Fortress of Solitude?
What is Lois' role?
Does Batman use gadgets? Can you give examples?
What's Alfred like?
or you can simply quit the contract, especially if the competition offers you a better role and more money... even Jaimie Alexander met with WB cuz her Lady Sif role goes nowhere and Marvel treats her like shit.
Pretty damn cool.
Yep. And the glass widow is actually used as part of both sides of the debate.
Sort of, yeah.
A joker card, an umbrella, a fixed coin, a book of riddles, yeah, they have their fun.
Why in the world would you think, or even want this movie to be good? You people are idiots who have no idea what this film's theoretical success will bring. Nothing but disaster.
I know Disney & the rest of pop culture has built the image of disney of being Scrooge Mcfuck rich, but the problem isn't so much with Disney as much as it is that Sony will never sell Spiderman unless it's at a retarded high price to where Disney says fuck all to the deal.
Sony is not going to sell more ammo to Disney to blow them the fuck out in the summer blockbuster biz.
Either way deal or not, Marvel always gets it's cut.
Dude, you are such a faggot, holy shit. I want it to be good because DC has far better properties than Marvel, and I'd like to see them on the big screen. I THINK it's going to be good because all signs point to the fact that it WILL be good.
>want this movie to be good?
Because watching good movies is fun. I'm not sure why that's hard to get.
>what this film's theoretical success will bring. Nothing but disaster.
>CASUALS INVADING MY PRIVATE HOBBY
Oh, so you're an antisocial hipster, got it.
What it could bring (and it's doubtful it even does, as it hasn't for Marvel) is more comicbook readers and sales, which the media kinda needs.
That's the idea.
Only briefly. Seems like a fine dude.
Some fear Superman, some believe he's a hero. Same for our heroes, some really don't trust Superman, others do. In the end, Superman proves his worth and is embraced as a true hero and the leader of the Justice League.
We do. It's cool. It's a massive structure, with several different levels.
Lois is Superman's girlfriend, confident and biggest supporter. She has her own backstory about conducting investigation on Luthor's robotics program and proves to be important to defeat Brainiac.
Batrangs, smoke bombs, a nifty sonar-like device built into his cowl, a heartbeat-concealer, sonic bombs, the armored suit he fights Batman with, and a cool directive he's built into every cellphone and computer in Gotham that instantly blurries pictures of him that some average joe might take.
"Dawn of Justice"? Pretty long, I'd wager 2h35min.
It would be extremely anonymous.
He's got a five picture deal with an expansion option. Honestly, we haven't tackled that yet.
>Sony will never sell Spiderman unless it's at a retarded high price to where Disney says fuck all to the deal.
The thing OP mentionned about them keeping some rights and also getting part of the benefit from MCU movies featuring Spidey doesn't seem like such a bad deal. They barely made money with ASM2, and I don't think they're the ones who get most of the toy sales money anyway.
>Sony is not going to sell more ammo to Disney to blow them the fuck out in the summer blockbuster biz.
I'm not sure how much of a priority cinema still is for Sony. Isn't that branch of them losing money?
>But all those films will likely be awesome.
Your turn to explain yourself. How is there even remotest chance any of the planned films will be anything but total garbage?
>Have some fucking optimism, Jesus.
Oh shut up and go back to your imaginary candyland.
Luthor says Superman seeing him through the glass is how he'll always see humans. There'll always be barrier. Like looking at an animal at the zoo.
Superman says that's how Luthor sees people. As tools that he would manipulate, but never face eye-to-eye, without a barrier to separate them, to elevate himself. He wants to be more than all the others, and that's what makes him the lesser of them all.
But Hollywood will never learn. I shook my head in disbelieve after hearing they're doing derectiy Magnificent Seven. They should have done a few solo films and only then bring the crew together.
we need first a whole movie about how the guy learn to throw knives, otherwise, we will get confused
A joker card, an umbrella, a fixed coin, a book of riddles, yeah, they have their fun.
I assume this was you listing stuff in the Batcave.
But here you're claiming we don't see the Batcave.
Can you elaborate what you mean, because honestly this seems contradictory here.
>Oh shut up and go back to your imaginary candyland.
You forgot to call him a conformist.
You're the one who was arguing that it would be a problem if the first one is good. If it's good then the others could be good as well. If they aren't then you just don't watch them and the problem ends. You aren't making sense.
>Isn't that branch of them losing money?
Depends what. I recalled Sony throwing in some Dosh at AMC's direction regarding Breaking Bad because AMC was & still is having trouble managing money because the TV original programming business is new to them because that was network of just rerunning old movies. So they get some cut of that I guess??
Back to Spiderman, they wanted to try to fit MCU into it but someone shot it down last minute. It's only now after their 2 billion losses that they now want to discuss a deal because everyone was just wanting all the pie to themselves.
I'm not sure how well ASM2 does in comparison to other films but I could argue that Spiderman and Xmen flicks are their bread winners, afterall, Marvel was able to build their film division on those 2.
You are literally saying "they're going to fail because they are". Fuck your shit, let somebody else deal with your dumb ass.
Being a script doctor means you get a little credit in the end and high chance none of your addition will make it to the actual final script, especially when a director is not atteched, yet.
I can't just not watch them. I actually read about and give a shit about some of those characters. Those films are going to have a tangible effect on the comics one way or another. However the general public sees those characters, that's how they are going to end up in the comics for the benefit of the casual audience.
This is honestly the worst thing that could happen to them.
I don't see anything wrong with Israel. The anti-Israeli sentiment I see here honestly makes me angry. I don't see any reason for it, and when I ask for it, all I get is "I hate Jews", and if I ask why, enter happy merchant and good goyim bullshit. I just don't fucking get it.
"The Flash" has meta-human Captain Cold and a different version of Zoom.
"Wonder Woman" has the Firstborn and the gods in general being dicks.
"Suicide Squad" is the Onslaught, a terrorist group.
I'm not talking about you personally, I'm talking about the general audience. You're arguing that people should boycott the movie even if it's good just because potential sequels might not be good. Its nonsense.
X-Men is not Sony.
That kinda invalidates everything else you're saying.
And again, when considering marketing costs, ASM2 barely broke even (but then Hollywood accounting). Spider-Man cartoons are mostly not done by Sony (and they could keep those rights anyway).
How much has Terrio changed the script from what Goyer originally had? Just some scenes added removed? Or a huge overhaul with just some bits of dialogue kept and tone maintained?
Also, how much is the neck snap from MoS dealt with? Are they approaching it as still being something referenced as a big weight Supes is carrying and do any other characters discuss it?
I'm saying they are going to fail because there is no other possible outcome.
Just you fuckers watch. I hope you aren't invested in any of those characters, because this will be the end of them. After this, DC will cancel everything that isn't Batman for the rest of time.
He changed it quite a bit. All world-building such as Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Brainiac, Robin's death, it was all added by Terrio. But the overall plot, Luthor's scheme, were still mostly the same as they were with Goyer, though with different dialogue.
Zod's death is a driving force. Superman carries the burden of that on his shoulders, but he's not mopey about it. He had to do it, and he'll always fight to not have to do it again. Luthor uses the argument against him, which Superman quite cleverly fires back at him.
Wow. Take a chill pill man. Is something wrong? You seem very upset, spouting all that negativity ( assuming you are this guy >>66508834) on the thread.
But you don't need to be so angry all the time. We are all friends here at /co/ :^)
You're exaggerating to help make your point, please don't. And even if that were the case, so what? Israel is surrounded by enemies. You think any of them will hesitate? Israel is often attacked first. Anything they do is often retaliatory.
>I can't just not watch them.
You have no fucking right to complain if you pay to watch something you don't want to be made.
>Those films are going to have a tangible effect on the comics one way or another. However the general public sees those characters, that's how they are going to end up in the comics for the benefit of the casual audience.
That doesn't happen for the most part. And if the movies are good, how would that be a bad thing?
>, because one of their aspirations to differentiate themselves from Marvel Studios is to, rather than doing "Phases", have one ovearching storyline that spills into multiple movies, with the events of one reflecting on the other
If true, good. If not true, whatever.
>I'm talking about the general audience.
So am I. The general audience dictates everything. If the movie sucks, the general audience proclaim that the character sucks, and that character is doomed to lesser titles that get cancelled after less than a year.
>is funded by millions of american dollars because...
>expands into lands where people are actively living and then removes those people from it's society
>expands into lands despite the international community actively condemning their behavior.
>acts like an innocent victim when a minority group of those people, who are not nearly strong enough for direct confrontation in a political or militaristic sense, use guerrilla warfare style attacks
>use this as an opportunity to indiscriminately bomb civilian populations without any regard for collateral damage and casualties instead of taking time to use intel and tactical teams to pinpoint and take down terrorist/extremist cells.
>That kinda invalidates everything else you're saying.
Yeah I'll eat crow on the whole Xmen bit, but the fact remains Disney will have to pry the rights for spiderman films from Sony's cold dead hands or pay a retarded sum,
Or as in this case, work out a deal to where everyone is happy, because no one is wanting to see a Spiderman flick because it isn't MCU & it's showing.
1) Of course I'm not going to go see them, dumbass. Not watching them isn't going to help though.
2) Again, they have no chance whatsoever of being good. There is no "if" here.
That's just it. Unlike you, I HAVE read my history, and I know that Israel hasn't done a damn thing that the US, or any country for that matter, hasn't done either. I'll need better reasons than those, and so far I haven't found any.
>the general audience proclaim that the character sucks, and that character is doomed to lesser titles that get cancelled after less than a year.
yeah which is why Aquaman can't hold a book for more than eight issues and why they cancelled Green Lantern immediately after the movie flopped
oh wait neither of those things happened and you are a delusional weirdo
particularly because of Robin's death.
As someone who kind of hated Jason Todd as Robin when I finally got around to reading the stuff (because I wanted to read the Under the Red Hood story with full grounding) I hope there's a case in the Batcave for
Those only survive right now because Johns has his hand up Didio's ass and making him talk.
Well, what do you want me to say? Every sign points to failure. Those are simply properties that DC does not really care about, so they won't put any effort into making sure the films are good.
>Those are simply properties that DC does not really care about
>DC doesn't care about Batman, Superman, or the Justice League
if this is bait you got me good anon
and if it's serious you're fucking stupid holy shit
What this Anon said.
Mainly because WB insists on retreating as far as humanly possible from the "Superfriends" level of good-natured heroism as they possibly can. Or even the Timm-verse nobility and purpose.
And for an enormous number of people who casually know of these characters, that's the interpretation they like.
All of this overly self-important, angsty, dark and muted melodrama works for the Batman stand-alones, it does not work for the rest of the Superfriends, and it doesn't particularly work for Batman when he's hanging about with them.
No one wanted the character of Superman that they shat onto the silver screen. Had they not pre-sold the tickets months in advance of critical review or real peeks at the film, it would have made sub-Batman Begins money, and in any case audiences cooled on it really quickly.
This smacks of a desperate attempt to jump onto the Marvel train of enthusiasm before the genre dries up. Man of Steel was a best-forgotten film with some nice CGI work that hardly serves as a good launching point for anything.
With so many of the culprits from that film involved in this one, my hype minimal.
OP, so there will be a overarching story about the rise and fall of the Gods of the Fourth World throughout the movies?
I'm so naive that I believe there's a chance for a Orion film if that's true
Also, what is the general plan for the Batman movies?
>The Meta-Gene. Which will tie with the human race's potential to become gods of the Fifth World, as Jor-El had predicted with the whole "guide them into the Sun" speech. Darkseid wants to harvest that for his own benefit, and to ensure his own immortality. All gods are fated to perish and give way to their replacements, but he is unwilling to die.
I'm a pretty big Marvelfag and I hated Man of Steel but this would be a really cool overarching plot for the DCCU. Really nice way to tie everything together and make it feel epic.
It sounds at the moment like WB want to keep Batman very solitary, but are they open at all to expanding things beyond just him and Oracle in future movies?
Like might we see Nightwing, Batgirl, and others down the line, or is that something WB are very against introducing?
>Self-important, angsty, dark and muted melodrama works for the Batman stand-alones, it does not work for the rest of the Superfriends
Hello, my name is anon and I don't read comicbook. I just like to whine about them in image boards.
In short, WB wants to have Avengers with no Iron Man/Robert Downey Jr. Which is going to work as well as Pirates without Johnny Depp, or Raiders without Harrison Ford.
They are building this expensive, gilded coach and they have no horse to pull. And please don't even attempt to tell me that Affleck is that sort of hollywood star, because we both know better.
brand recognition=quick and easy money
These movies are nothing but cash grabs, simple curiosity designed to make a quick buck. They aren't going to be any good. They'll make millions off the names alone, no matter how badly tarnished those names end up being.
Considering 4chan is pretty osbcure and in no way cridadble, and op has given nothing away about themselves or what their input to the films has been I think they'll be alright even if they're legit.
>And please don't even attempt to tell me that Affleck is that sort of hollywood star, because we both know better.
He's bigger than any of the MCU actors (pre-movies) besides ScarJo.
You don't know any of that.
It would make much more sense to, yes, build a brand on a strong product.
>They'll make millions off the names alone
They wont make shit off of anybody besides Bats and Supes if the movies are bad.
I don't have the impression that Iran is stronger than Israel. But if that were the case, the US would probably intervene because they want to keep a friendly power in the Middle East.
Alright, a last one.
Alfred is awesome. Sharp, quick-witted, kicks ass, and he's Bruce's voice of reason. He seems much more like a father to Bruce than Michael Caine was to Christian Bale.
Wonder Woman is on her own. In her public identity, she's a filthy rich humanitarian, and she does have a secretary called Etta.
Luthor has a girlfriend that functions basically as arm candy, and Mercy, who is his assistant. She obeys his every demand, and is very cold and business-oriented. She's completelly aware of his less savory activities, but abides to them because it's her job.
>over arching stories between movies that come out years apart from eachother
>in the modern day of cinema
They are going to lose the stupids and they are going to lose the critics. Critics will be able to see past it as a marketing decision to try and force you into seeing the other movies. The stupid people or people who don't care and just want to watch batman punch people like the old days will forget the story they saw 4-16 months ago and become highly irritated.
It's like the Captain America 2 thing or even Thor 2, they might make mention of what happened in those movies and why no one bothered to show up to help but they aren't going to become focuses of the main story.
in the nu52 at least aquaman was raised on the surface by his human father after his mermaid mother hit it and quit it. He was later tracked down by the Atlantians and revealed to be the rightful king of atlantis. It could make a decent movie.
>He's just presented as a professional assassin hired to sabotage a peace treaty between Atlantis and the surface. As the movie progresses, he becomes more and more obsessed with killing Aquaman.
>Pardon my /tv/, but they want a big guy to measure up to Jason Momoa. Two names that are pretty popular with the writers, but I have no idea if the studio is acknowledging or interested in, are Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and Djimon Hounsou.
>Robin is in it, but Jena Malone isn't playing that role. She's Oracle.
Weren't they both in a Marvel Movie (I remember hearing that Adebesi was Kurse in the Thor sequel)
WB has been incredibly succesful with their marketing for last several years.
Often bes trailers, posters, viral and such of the year is from wb. All Harry Potter films and Batman films have great marketing campaign
>and the gods in general being dicks.
They're old and dying, I'd be an asshole too. Do the gods just fade away or are they quite literally keeling over as the New Gods are establishing themselves elsewhere?
So uhhh how do you know about the Spidey back to Marvel thing? How soon do you think it'll be official?
Does WB have any contingency plan based on how Marvel does? Like did Guardians' success lead them to think of doing something more Cosmic on their end?
>>tfw being realistic gets you labelled a pessimist
"This movie might be bad" is realistic
"This movie has 0% chance of being good and it will ruin all of these decades old characters for the rest of all time" is pessimistic
Been a while since we had someone from the studio come here first to leak info. Last time, it was some Marvel Studios representative who said things like Loeb running most of Agents of SHIELD.
>Those colour schemes
Jesus fucking Christ, do they realise colours other than "dark, bland, miserable and grey" exist? It looks more like a fucking Serbian art house film than a movie about superhero buddies saving the world.
>everyone knows the names Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
No they don't.
>The plebs will go see both just to get a quick laugh.
No they won't. Casuals don't go around watching blockbusters ironically, unlike you, you colossal hipster faggot.
>How's the wife and kids?
Would be pretty ironic if it was the other guy, considering he spent half of Gladiator consoling a guy from losing his wife and kid.
That's not how it works, no one is arguing that it will definitely be good. If you want to claim that it will definitely be anything, then you need to make a case, and people can try to disprove it. Otherwise you're just shitting out opinions.
>actually believing what this retard OP is saying
You people are way too naive. You're all going to end up on a missing persons list soon, goddamn.
My case is that DC doesn't give two shits about anything that isn't Batman, and won't make an effort on the upcoming films. This is cold hard fact that we've known for years, and you're a fool for denying it.
Now, make your case. How will these movies be any good?
Even if this is all bullshit I enjoyed this thread, first stuff I've heard about the DCCU that actually sounds goood.
I'm an ex-DC fan who quit around Blackest Night and I haven't really enjoyed much of what they've done since (especially not Man of Steel) and this thread has singelhandedly turned me from bitterly dreading the flop that will be BvS to desperately hoping for what could be...
...I guess if it does suck now I'll hate you forever OP, for getting my hopes up when I'd been ready to not care.
>All these faggots falling for the incredibly obvious bait
>How will these movies be any good?
David Ayer is a good director.
Also, it isn't about the movie ending up good or bad. It's about being open minded and not forming your opinion based on very little info.
>UGH WHY WON'T THIS PEOPLE THAT LIKE ME! THIS MOVIE IS GONNA TO SUCK BY THE MERE FACT THAT I DIS LIKE THE FIRST MOVIE. ARGHHHHH
im done m8.can argue with mentally disabled people. Cheerio
Your case is based on opinions and 'facts' that you've made up.
>Now, make your case. How will these movies be any good?
I've never said it will be good. It might be good, it might be bad, there's not enough information to know either way yet.
So that's a 'no' on the
>Would you be able to enjoy a cape movie?
And a 'yes' on the
>Or will it only be about "NOT MUH" because you think it would completely alter everything comics afterwards?
>I'm amazed people like it more than the First Avenger.
First Avenger started off very strongly, but the second half after he joins the war is incredibly weak. They really should have taken an extra movie to explore Cap's WWII exploits. Because that montage did not cut it. And Red Skull had zero character depth.
>why don't you think the movie will be good?
I already explained this. DC ONLY cares about Batman. None of those other movies are about Batman. They will not actual try when it comes to something that is not Batman. Anything DC makes that is not Batman will fail because there will be no effort put into it.
I frankly don't really have any interest in watching the movies. I don't want this movies interfering with the characters' reputation among the general audience who DC will proceed to pander to. Whatever the plebs say goes.
>Whatever the plebs say goes.
But you *know* that's not true, don't you?
Casuals don't read, let alone buy comics. And as orhers have pointed out, istory says that movies have a minimal effect on comics, if any.
it was Skins, mate, the entire series was half-arsed and rushed. everyone was awful in it. O'Connel has been stand-out in his post-Skins feature work. check out the prison movie, name escapes me. spot on.
having said that, i can't see him as Spider-Man. good actor going on great with each successive work, but Peter Parker he isn't.
Because they've factually not been doing it any more when there are movies (successful or not) than at other times.
Seriously, publishers pander all the time, this isn't going to change shit except if they're overwhelmingly fantastic films. Which... yeah...