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Sometimes I really am glad for the Hawkeye Initiative.
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I'd appreciate it more if they drew characters I actually found attractive
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>>65239721
>Hank Pym
>Unattractive
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>>65239734
Eh he's nice
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>>65239721
>I'd appreciate it more if they drew characters I actually found attractive

They are deliberately making the characters as unattractive as possible which is the reason I find the Hawkeye initiative petty and mean spirited.

Female characters in comics are sexualized, they are drawn in ways designed to make them look attractive and sexy. The Hawkeye initiative is not making male characters look sexy, they are drawing male characters in embarrassing feminine poses and then dishonestly pretending that this is equivalent to the originals.

If they were honest they would draw male characters in a way women find sexy to show men how it feels to be sexualized, however, doing this would show men what a minor issue it is so the SJW artists pretend that sexualization and embarrassment are the same.
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>>65239981
Eh even if they were the equivalent, they're not very typical in comics. I suppose I'm fine with it if it's just a joke as anything trying to make a point however yeah it's pretty dumb
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>>65239700
>Women who don't even read comics trying to punish men for liking sexy women and trying to force images of sexualized and submissive men to try to make male readers more effeminite and submissive

There is a war on male sexuality. SJWs won't rest until all men are castrated ladyboys to afraid to court women because it's "sexual harassment"

I mean, just look at how they started making Loki "sexy" a little bit ago to appeal to the Twilight teeny boppers, and have desexualized Batgirl and made her look like a little boy just to take away what little pleasure her fans may have gotten from her.

It's mean-spirited and sadistic/
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>>65240327

Personally every page should be a pornographic dream for both sexes.
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>>65239734

I'd slap his shit if you get what I mean

>>65239981

Psylocke's whole chicken drumstick pose wasn't particularly sexy either - that's half the point, all those weird poses that are justified "for fanservice" aren't being fapped to, they're just bad art justified by insulting the male readership.

It'd be nice if DC and Marvel swept their houses of all the consistently bad artists they continue to enable.
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>>65240357
>both sexes

Women don't don't read comics and normal ones don't consume pornography. Why should comics pander to them?
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>>65240327
>SJWs won't rest until all men are castrated ladyboys to afraid to court women because it's "sexual harassment"

Jesus christ, this. They've made it so that the only way to even sleep with a girl these days is to grovel before them and become a brainwashed beta feminist drone, because it's the only way to gain their approval. They're fucking going against the nature that's existed for 1000s of years.
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>>65240327
>>I mean, just look at how they started making Loki "sexy" a little bit ago to appeal to the Twilight teeny boppers

Or because he was hot in the original mythology, and the idea was to move him closer to that. In Gillen's words, "THE BOY SHOULD BE HOTNESS."
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>>65240357
No.
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>>65240412
Female panders need porn to stop the species dying out.

Why do you hate panders?
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>>65240518
>>65240412
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>>65240412
What about us gays? A huge amount of us read comics.
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>>65240518
Maybe you should grow up and realize that there's no reason to sleep with a girl. You're not suddenly going to become cool and successful just because you found a vagina that will have you. It's not suddenly going to make your life less shit. It's not going to make you all that much happier.

Be a wizard. Acquire currency.
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Why can't there just be an equal amount of sexiness for both male and female characters? Why does this shit have to be so political and unfun?
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>>65240581
Too thick of frame to be Peter. Would have worked better as Kaine or even Miggy.
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>>65240677
Peter has datass tho
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>>65240631
Ain't comics already full of stuff fags can fap to?
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>>65240663
Because when women admit to schlicking they can't maintain the moral high ground.
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>>65239700
The Hawkeye Initiative doesn't work because 9/10 they dishonestly represent the character by putting him in ridiculous bondage gear or femanizing the costumes as a cheat to get their point across.

If the pose was as ridiculous as they claim, then they wouldn't need to do that. Putting Hawkeye or Hulk or any other male character in a similar pose would be enough to get their point across.
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>>65240663
Women aren't even attracted by men's physicalities. They are attracted to men who are successful, rich, powerful, and dominant and who can provide for them.

Men are attracted to women who are fertile, which is why their physical appearances are important.

That's why it doesn't make any fucking sense to sexualize men and prohibit sexualizing women. The species doesn't work that way. Feminists are just against human nature.
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>>65240528
Gillen is an SJW who was simply making an excuse to increase his Tumblr credibility by pandering to women who hate that males find women other than them attractive.

>>65240631
If you want gay comics so much, nobody's stopping you from making them. But you shouldn't force that stuff where it was never intended.
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>>65240823
>Neckbeard Initiative
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>>65240823
>Women aren't even attracted by men's physicalities.

Yeah, women will sleep with any guy no matter how fat, ugly, unhygienic or generally unpleasant they are amirite?

And all men will fuck a women no matter what their personality.

Fuck off virgin faggot
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>>65240394
>Psylocke's drumstick pose
Honestly I question what's badly placed fanservice and what's mediocre artists going for dynamic posing.
I can get Tigra slinking down a tree being an obvious appeal to sexuality or 90% of everything drawn by Benes and Cho.
But I have a hard time believing someone said "that's gonna look so hot" when Psylocke was in that weird pose.
It's just you take a hot chick in a skimpy outfit and make her do stuff like this and of course everyone will think you've got some weird fetish.
>>65240663
I support this, quality sexiness for everyone.
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>>65240394
But a lot of the things Escher girls pics on are single panels by artists that are otherwise ok. Or 20+ year old art.

Everyone has bad days and as an artist on a schedule sometimes you just have to let shit go and hope the next page is better.

A lot of the new artists that they are testing out that don't work out DO get let go so it's not like they don't notice.
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>>65240817
While you are technically right, we must remember that' well, all those female costumes are designed with exactly this kind of posing in mind.
We really lack revealing male costumes.
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>>65240528
>Implying Ancient Viking 'hot' is the same as tweet girl hot.

Ne doesn't have nearly enough body hair or muscles. Why isn't he bench pressing a bear while fighting off invaders?
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>>65240823
>Women aren't even attracted by men's physicalities
HAHAHAHAHA
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>>65240926
But anon, they will
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>>65241067
That was obviously for the men.
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>>65241072
It doesn't count if they're in it for the money.
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>>65240823
>Women aren't even attracted by men's physicalities.
I bet you think all those chicks went and saw Thor for the plot.
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>>65240925
>>65240926

Wow, Tumblr has really invaded /co/ these days.
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Sometimes male characters really do pose like that though.
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>not disturbed by this pose of Hawkeye initiative at all
>mfw

Grow a spine ladies.
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>>65241226
It's really a nothing thing. A great heap of nothing
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>>65240823
That one Shortpacked comic is pretty accurate when you look at the kind of guys people lust over, though the pouty face thing was stupid.

>>65241259
The only difference here is that Pete's mouth and nose are drawn better.
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>>65240996
That is because wearing revealing clothing isn't what makes a man attractive. Being strong, rich, decisive, smart, and other masculine traits, is what attracts women.

So, if women want to find attractive superheroes in comics, they already have, like, all of them. All males in comics are sexualized because they tend to have these traits.

Men are attracted to women with large breasts and round hips because they are fertile. Revealing clothing reveals their fertility. And suggestive poses show their receptiveness and submissiveness to male sexual advances.

Men and women are equally sexualized in comics (in fact, males moreso, due to feminists and gays taking over and enforcing puritan/muslim rules on female sexualization to neuter straights), but in different ways according to their biological designs and place in the natural order all things are created in.
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>>65239700
>>65240581
>>65241259

I still, STILL don't get why people are so outraged by that pose, and not by the fact that SW's face face looks like she just sucked off Galactus while snorting Pym Cocoaine off his dick.
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>>65241184
by sometimes you mean every agile character.
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>>65241355
I refer you to those guys
>>65241177
>>65241067
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>>65241310

I'm on mobile. Someone post the JoJo edit.
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Here's an entire tumblr with males posing sexily in comics.

SJW are, as always, full of shit.

The Spider-Woman pose is pretty shitty though.

https://www.tumblr.com/blog/dudesgettingobjectified
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>>65241355
>Being strong, rich, decisive, smart, and other masculine traits, is what attracts women.
I guarantee you that cute face and a muscular butt would trump all that shit.
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>>65239700
It looks akward on any non spider-character, male or female. Fucking shit, manaragate pisses me off.
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>>65241412
Awesome. Thanks for the link, brah.
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>>65240394
>Psylocke's whole chicken drumstick pose wasn't particularly sexy either - that's half the point, all those weird poses that are justified "for fanservice" aren't being fapped to, they're just bad art justified by insulting the male readership.

They were intended to be sexy.

Which is another reason why the Hawkeye initiative is so petty and mean spirited.

The artists who made the original image were trying their best to make something good, the artists who make the initiative version are trying to make something bad to mock another artist.

There isn't a single artist in the world who hasn't made a mistake.
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>>65240581
I don't get it.
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>>65241412
>One entry is obviously Spider-girl
Worse than trash.
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>>65239700
Don't drag Hank Pym into your SJW bullshit.
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>>65241177
They saw it because their husbands decided they would, and they didn't force him to make him not take her to see it.
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>>65239700

Oh look, it's nine thirty, time for another SJW thread on /co/
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>>65241951
>Crawling downward on a ball is the same as being on a flat surface, but curving your spine so that your ass sticks in the air for some reason
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>>65241361

Because they're ignorant outsiders trying to find a cause to fight for
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>>65242099
>curving your spine
she's just crawling with a fat ass nigga
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>>65242141
Most white people don't understand what that means.
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>>65242099

>HIS ASS IS TOO SMALL IT'S NOT THE SAME :(
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>>65242099
>Crawling downward on a ball is the same as being on a flat surface, but curving your spine so that your ass sticks in the air for some reason

So all badly proportioned drawings are now sexist?
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>>65242010
>SJW
>Implying I don't actually find Pym's fat ass hot in that pose
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>>65240518
You're probably just a beta then. I've noticed the exact opposite. Feminists who whine about "patriarchy" and macho male behavior actually like being dominated sexually just like any other normal woman. It's just part of their nature.

This is why the uglier feminists try to convince the others that sex is bad. They don't want them to realize their true natures and the fact that they really DO want to be pursued by males and made submissive in bed.
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>>65242141
Bug she's traveling downwards and lifting herself over a ledge.
Spider-woman is totally for sex appeal, it's Milo Manara for cripesakes. But I see no actual issue with that apart from not finding it aesthetically pleasing. He's done better work.
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>>65242209
No, but contrived poses that don't fit the scenario and are designed purely to make the depicted character a sexual object are.

Like, why is she crawling up a building in such a way that, despite the fact that she's just making it over the lip of the building and her legs are below her, her ass and spine are curving UPWARD just so that we can see her ass?

This is different from the Spider-Man pic, where the only reason we can see his ass is because, according to his downward-pointed position, it just makes sense.

It's like if for every action I had a character do, I had to think of a way for her to do it in a way that sexually presents her, and had to resort to contrived and awkward positions to make sitting in an armchair reading a newspaper sexy.
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>>65242378
Women are supposed to be sexy because they are designed to be to perpetuate people.

If you don't get that, get raped, SJW.
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I'm a bit disappointed that this didn't turn into a beefcake thread.

What happened to you, /co/?
You used to be cool.
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>>65242235
Where did you get your degree in bro-anthropology?
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>>65242495

You seem like a reasonable person.

>if you disagree with me you're a SJW

Clearly a quality debater.
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>>65242378
He didn't contrive a situation, he created a situation in which she'd be depicted sexually.
The angle, the pose, and the scenario are all working towards a shot where we can see dat ass.
She's traveling over the ledge while crawling down the step.
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>>65239981
Hello.
You are cool.
I like you.
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>>65242618
Haha, that scene was literally there for no reason.
It was great.
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>>65242495

Get out of here Anita, your bait has no power in these halls
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>>65242618
>"ONLY WOMEN ARE SEXUALIZED!"
>"MALE POWER FANTASY! IT DOESN'T COUNT"
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>>65242209
When everyone is sexist, no one will be.
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>>65242737
JUST LOOK AT ALL THAT MALE POWER
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>>65242737
>MALE POWER FANTASY! IT DOESN'T COUNT"
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>>65242495
You're making our side look bad. If we're going to defeat the SJWs and keep feminism from destroying our comics and eradicating cheese cake, we can't act like this, or we'll look like the bad guys as they cry for sympathy like Anita sarkeysian.
Instead of citing evolution or nature for why women in comics age sexy, we are much more credible using the Argument that men are just as sexualized because of their abs and tight costumes.
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>>65242099
>>Crawling downward on a ball is the same as being on a flat surface, but curving your spine so that your ass sticks in the air for some reas
Actually you just answered your own question. Since the ball is round you can curve around it. Since the wall is not, you can't.
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>>65243005
Its 4chan dude. Even for every sperg who legitimately thinks he's helping by saying that there's 3 more idiots who just think saying dumb shit is hilarious. And telling them not to makes them think they're even funnier.
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>>65240925
We already have the legbeard initiative. Why thr hell not.
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>>65243005
>Instead of citing evolution or nature for why women in comics age sexy, we are much more credible using the Argument that men are just as sexualized because of their abs and tight costumes.
That won't matter. It honestly doesn't matter how polite you are or how well thought out your argument is, because you're dealing with a cultist.
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>>65243146
Well, if we're gonna beat the SJW threat at their own game, we have to use politically correct arguments instead of saying things they can use against us. That's what gave Anita the upper hand.
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>>65243296
I know that but we can't control idiots and trolls
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>>65243404
Then the best tactic is to call anyone who uses frank and untactful arguments a false flagger so that our side comes out the one that took the high road.
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>>65243485
Again not possible, especially not now thanks to JLaw.
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>>65243509
When a girl goes on a shooting spree because she hates men, public opinion will finally be on our side. But for now, we look bad because feminists have brainwashed the masses. They are why nerd culture is looked down upon. Their propaganda and lies.
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>>65240631
What about us brain-dead slobs?
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>>65243658
Probably not. You're talking about a culture where a woman can literally cut her husband's dick off, throw it into the woods, and have other women applaud her on tv.
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My only complaint about this entire thing is that people actually believe Jessica Drew is important enough in the Marvel Universe to warrant this outrage.
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>>65242786

...Are there male romance books? Or is that just smut?

I dunno, men got feelings. And I don't think the typical "rom-com" has the men watching interests in mind.
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>>65240412
> normal ones don't consume pornography
Yeah, they read it.
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>>65243861
Nope. Thanks stereotypes!
Hell, I have to write my own porn just so I don't get a lot of grimdark shit and my taste for warm and fuzzy endings is sated,
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>>65240412
>and normal ones don't consume pornography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LTJvdGcb7Fs#t=94
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>>65243874
Women didn't used to consume porn before feminists convinced them it was empowering to be rebellious/indecent and unladylike.

They don't genuinely enjoy it the way men do, though. They delude themselves into thinking so to "stick it to the patriarchy" or whatever. It's not part of their nature.
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>>65243861
What kind of male romance stories would you like to read?
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>>65244245
Ones with lots of blow jobs and facials. And they should have pictures. Lots of them. About 24 per second.
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>>65244245

That's a good question, I have no idea what kind of romance I'd like to consume, it's never been something for me to buy or consider. I mean, a lot of stuff we watch has "romantic elements" but that's just the occupational hazards of the adventure or create a goal for the protagonist to achieve.

Maybe we already have a bunch of romanticized stuff aimed for us, it's just not directly about relationships. We romanticized war, and sailing on ships, and having super powers and solving crimes, and being apart of silly modern love triangles.

...Would Tenchi Muyo/Harem stuff count as romance for dudes? Like there's rarely any sex, the dude is just surrounded by girls which one of them will eventually be THE ONE.
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>>65244119

>Evolutionary Biology Fedoratards actually believe this
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>>65244245

Not answering the question directly but there are tons of romance stories for men in Japan, even if you don't count visual novels (which you should because they are more novel than visual usually).
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>>65242675
Whedon was the one who put it there and actually had to explain why to Hemsworth, who was like "for what purpose?"
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>>65244748
Christians and Darwinists both agree on it. That should tell you something
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>>65240823
women are attracted to the Alpha of the group. The strongest and most prominent leader who can clearly show power through brawn and dominant aura.
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>>65245009
How does Chris not understand it?
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>>65243861
Head on over to the erotica section at your local book store today!
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>>65245113

Actually that tells me almost nothing since what Christians think about history is irrelevant, and Evolutionary Biology is generally looked down upon in the sciences and for good reason, as it is for the most part completely unempirical and based on assumptions.
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>>65244245
Personally I'd like to see more badass superpowered couples. A husband and wife that tag team fight.
There are scenes in the most recent One Piece special that gave me the tingles.
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>>65244670
>...Would Tenchi Muyo/Harem stuff count as romance for dudes? Like there's rarely any sex, the dude is just surrounded by girls which one of them will eventually be THE ONE.

That's the one there. That's the stuff that's for dudes.
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>>65239700
Why Pym? I thought SJWs hated him because he's a "wife-beater" and the "worst person ever".
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>>65245759
First they came for his pimp hand, and I did not speak out—
Because I did not care

Then they came for dat ass, and I realized—
These maniacs must be stopped
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>>65240412
>normal ones don't consume pornography
I have some bad news for you...
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>>65241700
JoJo, it's so gay that it's perfectly straight.
Men and women are okay with how awesome it is.
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>>65242378
>and had to resort to contrived and awkward positions to make sitting in an armchair reading a newspaper sexy.

All you'd have to do is just have her sitting with her legs crossed.
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>>65245181
Maybe he's completely oblivious to the fact that the ladies think he's a total stud.
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>>65244245
I'm a sucker for characters that I can self insert as but those aside I wouldn't know. I guess just novels where guys court very idealized yet still realistic women. What I mean by that is give me bro as fuck chicks who can hang out with a guy or maybe a super cute opera singer who likes to cuddle or something. Idk but I've always been a sucker for romance.
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>>65243727
Truth.
Men are oppressed in this society. Women are the dominating sex.
Women these days are sainted for emasculating and rejecting men and it is considered "cool" to give men fake numbers when they court you if you don't like how they look, instead of giving them a chance.
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>>65242737
>>65242786
I never bought that argument because really I don't care that much to look like a super buff and clean cut super hero. I'd rather look like pic related. I think that's why the term "Man's man" exists. Just as women and men differ on what they believe to be the perfect women so do they differ on what they think the perfect man is. I think comic book characters just please the opposite sex with their physiques and not really the same one. The difference is guys just don't care that much while some women seem to be throwing a hissy fit over it nowadays.
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>>65243509
>Again not possible, especially not now thanks to JLaw.
What happened with her?
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>>65247578
>it is considered "cool" to give men fake numbers when they court you if you don't like how they look, instead of giving them a chance.

Why are they obligated to give everyone and anyone who hits on them a chance?
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>>65243658
>When a girl goes on a shooting spree because she hates men,
I doubt it will ever happen and if it ever does it will be an anomolay. Biology dictates that men are larger and stronger than women but the down side is we're also much, much more physically violent. If a man hates women he might just go on a shooting spree or become a serial killer but if a women hates men she'll probably just cut her hair, stop shaving, and publish papers and books on why men suck while also being kind of a bitch to men irl.
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>>65240518
>>65242235
Listening to you guys whine and pontificate is fucking hilarious. You pull shit out of your asses and pretend you're smart.
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>>65243259
>legbeard initiative
Please tell me that is not what I think it is.
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>>65247638
She went lawsuit crazy because she was the most famous person affected by the Fappening.
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>>65244119
Don't feminist hate porn? Why would they encourage women to look at it?
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>>65247721
Did you know that the movie Monster is based on a true story?
And that this isn't even an isolated case of this kind of thing happening?
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>>65247764
But not really the hottest.
I skeeted so hard to those victoria justice pics that I had to take a two hour nap
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>>65242026
You're so full of shit
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>>65247764
Were nudes of her leaked? Who the fuck was she going to sue other than the person who leaked them?

>>65247798
I've never seen Monster

Either way being the less violent sex does not men women are not violent at all. I'm sure there are some pretty gruesome instances of violence at the hands of women.
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>>65247680
Well if the man had the courage to do it and was very polite, it would be pretty rude to just toss them aside.

But that's the norm. Girls over boys. Men are taught to fear their own sexuality and never express it, because asking out a girl at the wrong place at the wrong time could get your sued for harassment. Hell, even if you are married, your wife can still charge you with rape or sexual assault, despite the fact that she married you and you aren't some stranger who doesn't have the right to touch her, but her own husband.
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>>65247680
>Why are they obligated to give everyone and anyone who hits on them a chance?
They're not but its kind of spineless to give them a fake number instead of rejecting them face to face.
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MALE POWER FANTASY
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>>65239700

Why wouldn't anyone be thankful for it?

I mean.

Imagine if you had a hobby. And now, ok, this hobby of yours might've been socially shunned. Riduculed, even.

Why, your sexual prowess, might've even been called in question - as though that actually had jack shit to do with your actual worth as a human being - in connection to it.

But. You know. Fuck what any an all judgemental jackasses may think of it; it's my fucking hobby.

You know?

Then a couple of Johnny-come-lately jackasses come around and starting to throw around some shit about how not only you're a bad person to like that shit, but, y'know, you're responsible for the suffering of other, actual flesh-and-bone human beings who are probably worth more than you by the sheer fact that they're breathing the same oxigen as you?

Well, I sure as fuck hope you're not going to make any fucking noise about it, buster.

What? Do you hate women, or something?
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>>65248145
What now?
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I don't get why they ignore that Spider-man does that pose all the god damn time.
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>>65244119
I have no idea what are you talking about, but I'm from eastern europe, where people started hearing about feminism what, 10 years ago, and my aunt has a 40 years old collection of "Love novels", both imported from abroad and from local authors.
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>>65248070
>They're not but its kind of spineless to give them a fake number instead of rejecting them face to face.

They don't know how well that guy can handle rejection. Would you want some insecure asshole screaming in your face about being a bitch, etc., etc., or worse?
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>>65248072
JoJo is everyones everything fantasy
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>>65248280
Its undoubtedly easier but I still think it seems like a shit way of doing it. Then again I'm a neck beard loser who knows little of actual dating so maybe its not that big a deal because maybe having guys take it real bad is a common thing.
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>>65247381
I doubt it.
And he's been in soaps...or are Aussie Soaps super tasteful in comparison to America's?
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>>65248145
>>65245759
>>65242052
>>65242010
>>65248219


Muh niggas. I'm sick of this SJW/feminist shit too and this proves nothing beyond how fucking PERVERTED SJWS because the only thing they ever seem to care about is sex, sex, sex, sex.

I mean sure, sex is nice and humans are horny, but these people have to pervert EVERYTHING where it's just getting fucking annoying and it's hypocritical because the vague point is supposed to be how these poses are somehow sexist and fan service or something yet they just create fap material for gays and women instead.

And this anon gets the larger point... >>65248145 like people come into our hobby, people who've shunned it before and started turning it their own personal soap box and porn machine.

I don't know /co/. /co/'s been like this for so long, you can't get a good discussion about a comic going but a discussion about a characters ass goes on for fucking days. It's an endless circle jerk. And if you have a problem with it you hate "fun" well yeah imagine you're in a room trying to talk about comics with some people and read some and show some and then their is this huge crowd just jerking off and shoving everyone into a corner while they flail around with their pants down. It's FFFFUNNN for you and your dicks but not fun for everyone else.
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How come these people say that women and minorities need spaces of their own in the Internet, but they won't respect others spaces?
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>>65248630
>people come into our hobby, people who've shunned it before and started turning it their own personal soap box and porn machine.

You never got over being bullied for liking something, you made it your whole identity, and now that it's finally successful and has respect, you want to be the gatekeeper with your boot on their necks now.
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>>65249075
I agree #firerickremender
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I think it's stupid.

HEY, STOP SEXUALIZING OUR SUPERHEROINES.

WE WILL MAKE YOU FEEL BAD BY SEXUALIZING THE MALES AND ONLY POSTING THE NEW ART ON TUMBLR SO WE CAN HIGHFIVE EACH OTHER BECAUSE THIS IS HYPOCRTITCAL AND POINTLESS

HOWEVER, WE SURE SHOWED YOU... Wait what do you mean no one cares?


I hate how they go on these crusades but ONLY on tumblr and they feel good for accomplishing nothing.
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>>65239700

So long as we get good art this time around. The Hawkeye Initiative was 90% people who couldn't draw for shit.

Still we need the Power Girl Initiative to come back as well.
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>>65249075

Yeah, you know what? I want a little fucking recogniztion and respect for staying true to myself and enjoying something despite these assholes trying to make me feel bad about it.

It sucks. GIRLS LOVE COMICS *apparently* according to Tumblrism but I still can't have a conversation about them with a girl without being called a dork or creepy.

But yeah you ignored the part where I was talking about how they ruin our hobby by over sexualizing. Why don't feminists go complain about football, I mean an all male team while the girls look sexy on the side lines? Shouldn't that fuel feminist rage?
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>>65252269

Yeah exactly. The sexualization of super heroines is only an issue to them because it stirs up the most power evil on earth -- female jealously and insecurity.
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Oh what the fuck is the problem with this pose?
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>>65253828
Awkward anatomy?
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>>65252454
No, because of the head injuries.
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>>65241412
Time to fap.
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The difference is. Im not offended that men are drawn this way.

Women and SJW's and feminists just need something to complain about every week
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>>65242508
Captain America looks like he's about to show Spiderman who the boss of this gym is
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>>65245501
>Evolutionary Biology is generally looked down upon in the sciences and for good reason
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>>65243291
100% This. The only effective way to deal with crazy people is using lobotomies
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>>65239700
>dat ass
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>>65254358
>Christians pretend they're in STEM Fields
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>>65244119
Get off the internet and go back to school.
You being emotionally invested in something and then rationalising it to make it seem like you don't "believe" in it; doesn't make it science.
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>>65240823
Sure, that's exactly why there's so little male nudity on romance novels, right?
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>>65241067

How'd you get this clip?
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>>65243291
Eh, I wouldn't say men are as sexualized though they still typically depict an unrealistic standard of beauty regardless of who it's supposed to appeal to not that that's a bad thing
But I think the best tactic is admitting some of these poses are sexual and there's nothing wrong with sexuality in the right context. Also what are quality issues rather than sex issues. And yes admitting sometimes there are poorly placed t&a from some artists Trying to pretend there isn't a definite sexual edge to most superheroines is stupid but I think acting oblivious or ashamed of it is just giving them more ammo.
An artist drew a pin up cover, so fucking what?
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>>65241259
An octopus of a thing. And I have only an inkling!
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>>65254465

Every time you bring stuff like that up it always is some weird exception from male driven marketing machines or some shit.

Women kinda lie an awful lot.
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>>65253828

The best hawkeye initiative poses are the ones that use Spider-characters and cement the proof they missed the point entirely.
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>>65242099
>Being this mad about chidren comics.

This thread is why I shouldn't come to /co/. Man, if they delete storytimes, this board is going to drown in pisshit.
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>>65241355
anon, how many women have you actually managed to get close too?
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>>65252367

THIS!
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>>65248145

>muh hobby
>muh identity is picture books for kiddies

You're a manlet, an autist, and a pedophile, stop whining about how hard done by you are.

Every day you're not in jail being shivv'd by your new top-bunk husbando Big Jimmy the Bed-Wetting Sodomist, is a day you should be thankful for.
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>>65255794
There we go, everyone.

Comics are just picture books for kiddies.
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>>65241067
Chris Pratt is hotter when he's chubby
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>>65241177
Jesus who would spend nearly 10 dollars to see a movie for one thing like this instead of just waiting for pics on the internet?
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>>65242786
Romance novels are porn. You're comparing comic books to porn. It isn't the wicked burn you think it is to say that it's ok that comic books are just as bad as the things housewives use to masturbate.
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What's the whole point of this backlash anyway?
What is the endgame here?
Completely sterile "respectful" poses in comics that most of these people will continue not to read? Did they judge this book by its variant cover?
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>>65256731

>Romance novels are porn

No, they're not. They sell books like that at the local Wal-Mart.

They don't fall under obscenity or pornography laws. Not porn.
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>>65256809
>Completely sterile "respectful" poses in comics that most of these people will continue not to read?

God, I hope not. All those forced non-sexy female poses are so dull and lifeless. But it looks like the feminists are winning. Take a look at what they did to Batgirl.
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>>65256809

I think the endgame is just artists paying more attention to human anatomy when drawing characters, and specially when drawing women.
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>>65253573
Exactly. Why do women get jealous about the hot girls in our comic books, but then refuse to date us nerds and call us creepy? It's not fair. If they won't give us a chance, they should let us have the one sexual outlet we do have. If we can't have those, then they should start giving us chances instead of always going for assholes instead.
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>>65248630
You've hit the nail on the head. The Hawk eye Initiative is one of the most infuriating things on the web. The spearhead of the SJW war on men. We are minorities in the society we built now. If a white person says anything, it's "racists"
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>>65248072
AWAKEN MY MASTERS!
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>>65252454
>t sucks. GIRLS LOVE COMICS *apparently* according to Tumblrism but I still can't have a conversation about them with a girl without being called a dork or creepy.

Girls don't read comics, they only want to ruin them because men like them, so they must be destroyed.

It's working. Tumblr comics are flooding the market, like Batgirl and ms marvel. Completely sexless, like some Muslim country.
I'm glad that marvel had the guts to give Angela a costume that isn't sterile and boring. She's what a female comic book character should look like, not some flat chested little boy like Batgirl.
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>>65255794

And you're either really mad, or really bad at trolling.

Either way.

It's not even MY hobby. I don't give a fuck about capes. Haven't given a fuck about them for some 15 years now.

It just gets really fucking tiresome, having to deal with idiotic bullshit from imbeciles that apparently are incapable of understanding things like "you are not entitled to be specifically catered to by publicly owned, for-profit entertainment corporations" whenever I want to read anything even tangentially related to comics.

And while it might surprise you, but I actually agree with the "identity" bit; just so long as we're also applying it to those oh-so-victimized people who just want to get into capes, but can't because boob windows and the Patriarchy and stuff.
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>>65258385
Interesting you should bring up Angela in that context. This is what her writer said.

>>One of the original thoughts for the Angela: Asgard’s Assassin pitch was that I wanted Angela to scare the shit out of people. [laughs] She’s not a friendly presence; when she walks into the room, she makes people feel uneasy. The fact that she has a provocative costume is not part of it for me; there’s no cheesecake poses… she’s literally, a really scary motherfucker.

One of the artists has also made a point of saying that there will be no cheesecake. But she's keeping that 90's-as-fuck costume.
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>>65239981
I don't even know or care what the Hawkeye initiative is, but no way mainstream comics could showcase heavily sexualised males without manbabies flipping the fuck out.
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>>65259175

They do. Dudes don't flip their shit about it like women do.
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>>65241624
You must be joking. Money and confidence trumps all.
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>>65259252
OK, show me some panels, then. Keeping in mind that "muscles" is not a sexual characteristic. I want to see eyes, lips, nips, crotch and ass.
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>>65259175

Dat american bulge
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>>65259350
Guess what, virgins: not everyone is attracted to the same thing in equal measure.
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>>65259373

Will a cover do?

I mean, clearly what we have here is blatant, obvious sexualizing and objetification of the character, for the purposes of reader titillation, isn't it?

Because if it wasn't, well geez, we'd have one of them "double standards" on our hands here, wouldn't we?
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>>65259617
Rejected as not being heavily sexualised. The only thing it's got going for it is a tiny bit of ass, not very prominent in terms of exposure, angle or page position. Is that really the most sexualised male you can find? I was expecting a little more than that, even.
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Check it - lips and bulge, enticing nudity, provocative position. This is a print, not a panel, so don't count this as evidence. It's not like this kind of thing is hard to spot - just look for something "porny".
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>>65259850
Failed on the picture.
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>>65259791

Address the point, please - that being, namely, the fact that it's the exact same pose as Manara put Spiderwoman in, that sparked this idiotic "debate".

But all right. Say I concede. Women are typically depicted in sexually suggestive poses in a comic genre that has had a primarily male (you know, a demographic that generally has an interest in sexy women) for the last 60 years or so.

What of it?

It's "mysoginistic"? It's "teaching boys that women are objects"? It's "corrupting our youth", Dr. Wertham?

Well, you see, that's the thing about the free market. Companies can sell whatever product, and target whatever demographic they see fit, as long as they do it within the law (and unless you live in some absolutist theocracy, sexy women aren't against it); and on the other hand, you aren't under any sort of obligation to buy anything you object to.

And please spare me the "but they will go out of business" line. Do you work for Marvel or DC? Do you own stock on Disney or Warner?

So how is that any concern of yours, again?

Aren't you the consumer here? If these companies' products aren't meeting your expectations, take your business elsewhere.
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>>65259977
This was a gay man who drew this for men.
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>>65259976
You haven't followed the quote tree, evidently - start from >>65259175, which was a response to >>65239981. Also you're getting awfully defensive - I never said any of that shit.

I have no problem with sexy pictures in principle. I do say that using them in the wrong context, or sacrificing decent anatomy etc for a tit-shot, can be detrimental, aesthetically speaking. I also say that if Marvel and DC catered more towards females they could probably expand their fanbase and improve their profits.
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>>65247980
>Men are taught to fear their own sexuality and never express it, because asking out a girl at the wrong place at the wrong time could get your sued for harassment. Hell, even if you are married, your wife can still charge you with rape or sexual assault, despite the fact that she married you and you aren't some stranger who doesn't have the right to touch her, but her own husband.

Nobody is taught that.

In fact, pretty much everything I was taught when it comes to how to treat women was put through the context of, "Because women are smaller, weaker, and less capable than you."

You don't come off too strong- not because the woman might sue you for harassment- but because you're likely bigger, stronger, and more aggressive than her and she could be intimidated and made uncomfortable.
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>>65260067
No shit, Sherlock.
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>>65247980
>Hell, even if you are married, your wife can still charge you with rape or sexual assault, despite the fact that she married you and you aren't some stranger who doesn't have the right to touch her, but her own husband.

Holy shit, does this guy honestly think he should have the right to rape his wife?
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>>65259791
If you read it with a SSJW mind, you get: "Spider Man crawling over men covered by white, sticky fluid."
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>>65260247
A hypothetical person would find it objectionable, eh? Well I'm glad there aren't any hypothetical people here, then.
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>>65259175
Guess we've gotta get Mike Mayhew on some more comics.
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>>65258147
I don't want to go too off topic but I suspect some women don't like alternative sexual outlets for men because it reduces male dependency on females for sex just like how some men don't like career oriented women because it reduces their dependency on men for wealth.

Why does a woman need a man if she can provide for herself and why does a man need a women if he can fulfill his sexual needs elsewhere? Granted, this is an oversimplification and even in a world where women can be independent and where men have a great variety and quality in sexual outlets there will still be many people seeking companionship from the opposite sex but my degree in broscience leads me to believe it has some validity.
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>>65254358
If he said Evolutionary Psychology I could buy it but as is he seems to be stalking out of his ass.
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>>65260972
Instead of coming up with moronic, half-baked hypotheses about sexual sociology, why not apply that thinkin' time to examining your life and evaluating your own thought processes? You could become a new man.
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>>65261132
But what if he is fine the way he is and shouldn't let the haters change him if he is say overweight or something?
>There are people who make a living thinking and ranting about this shit.
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>>65240823
>Women aren't even attracted by men's physicalities.

Then why do romance novels ( women pron) not feature rich guys on their covers?
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>>65261132
>why not apply that thinkin' time to examining your life and evaluating your own thought processes?
Who says I don't? I can do more than one thing Anon, I have many hours throughout the day. And at the end of the day we're all here talking about comics and cartoons and shit so really most of us could find something more productive to do but that doesn't mean we have to.
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>>65261218
Different fetishes for different people. Tame the wild beast using your vajay or be set for life with daddy warbucks.
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>>65261236
I'm merely saying you haven't done it enough. The pet theory you trotted out is dumb. You should hold your beliefs more accountable, make sure they're logically founded and be alert to potential biases.
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>>65261520
>I'm merely saying you haven't done it enough.
And you would know this based on one comment?

>The pet theory you trotted out is dumb. You should hold your beliefs more accountable, make sure they're logically founded and be alert to potential biases.
Its an idea I've put some thought into but not really too much and I even admitted that it was an oversimplification and not even a very well researched idea. If I can't post dumb shit on 4chan where the hell can I post it? Tumblr?
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>>65248072
Why was Battle Tendency so fucking amazing?
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>>65242508
"oh my god Rogers Sempai noticed me!"
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>>65261669
I sure do. If you were entirely rational and self-evaluatory then you wouldn't have put forward an idea like that. Of course you can post whatever shit you want, but that sort of lazy thinking taken to a greater degree is responsible for a lot of dumb sexist shitheads.
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>>65242209
This one's problems aren't even the proportions (well, save for the arm) since it's based on a photo of Schwarzenegger.
The thing is in the original Arnie stands at an angle towards the viewer but Liefeld fucked up Cap's neck and shoulder so they indicate he's standing in perfect profile while his chest is still at an angle.
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>>65254932
So should The Spider-Man Initiative be a thing? Because I feel like Hawkeye is the new Aquaman now.
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>>65262027
I don't get how you mean.
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>>65261710
Because trickster heroes are the most fun to read.
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>>65248072
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>>65262058
The "Spider-Man Initiative" part, or "Hawkeye is the new Aquaman?" part?
The former because, well, he DOES go into really weird poses. You could probably sell the point better by showing how narrow the line between parody and actual cover is, if you use him.
The latter? Made fun of by casuals who only know him as "lol X". Aquaman was "lol, talks to fish." Hawkeye is "lol arrows".
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>>65262058
>lel he's just got a bow
>most useless Avenger
Except plenty of times he's used an opponent's underestimation of him to win.
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