>>64594087 To prevent questions about Drax and Gamora being related. Although it's funny how it's now the opposite of how it was when Drax was green and Gamora was gray-but-slightly-green in Annhilation.
>>64594087 Maybe they'd think Drax and Gamora were the same species? They showed a lot of pink and yellow girls, I would think people assume they were the same. Sure Drax has red scar stuff, but you never know. Maybe if they were heavier with Gamora's yellow eye circles they'd have nothing to worry about.
>>64593533 Im pretty worried. I mean Disney keeps churning out these DBZ tier filler movies to just pave the way for one large popcorn film with barely any plot and just destruction porn and people keep buying tickets. It's pretty terrifying.
>>64594514 I dont only care about Avengers that is the issue the other movies only have beginnings and middles with no ends. Also thinks like Iron Man tossing his heart keeping him alive and Cap dropping his priceless shield into the ocean.
>>64595838 >he Drax Metaphors probably would be entirely meaningless in Chinese or Japanese Japanese are so literal they would just nod along with Drax and wonder about those weird things Starlord says.
>>64593533 >record breaking opening >sequel already greenlit >incredibly high word of mouth >only been out 2 weeks and not open in all markets yet >only reason it's profits haven't been as high as they could be was because of TMNT, released a week afterwards, essentially a fluke there's nothing at all to worry about.
I kind of figured this wouldn't be an uber money maker, at least not at this point, what with going against Bayturtles in it's second week. The new Expendables movie opens this Friday, this one being pg-13. That too will likely have a decent opening, further taking away from GotG.
Like others have said though, GotG 2 was already greenlit, so how much it makes from this point will only determine how much of a boost in the production budget the sequel will receive.
Or maybe it won't matter, Avengers 2 is likely to kill at the box office, and Marvel could funnel some of those profits into GotG 2, which is the keystone to further building up Thanos as a serious threat which will ultimately pay off in Avengers 3.
>>64601528 Depends on how finished those two hours were. In a high-CGI film like this it could be that it's just not worth filling in all the effects just for the DVD sales unless it's like LotR popular.
Man of Steel opened in June which is prime movie going season; Guardians opened in August, which isn't. Plus Man of Steel had a bigger opening weekend but comparing the days afterwards puts Guardians ahead.
If it remains in theaters as long as Man of Steel did, it should pretty close to making around the same amount of money at the box office while costing about sixty million less to make.
It really bothers me that Warner Brothers has dicked around with the franchise to the point where SUPERMAN is basically on par with Marvel's fourth or fifth biggest character. Clark deserves better than that.
>>64601989 In my small corner of the world at least, Guardians is getting some of the best word of mouth I've ever seen. Literally everyone I know who sees it is calling it amazing. I didn't get to see the movie for over a week after release because Guardians tickets were sold out at my local theater literally every day. And when I did see it, I bought he very last ticket.
>>64595838 >More like the jokes won't translate well. there's this wonderful thing called 'localization' where the translation team has a bit of leeway to change things that won't translate well to convey a similar idea to an audience unfamiliar with the concept being talked about
don't worry, they'll replace that Footloose joke with something the Chinese think is hilarious
I did my part, I saw the movie three times (had a blast every time), and encouraged my friends and co-workers to see it.
And besides, what's there to be worried about? The film blew away everyone's expectations (except maybe for Marvel's marketing department), a sequel has already been confirmed, and James Gunn is probably going to direct a Thunderbolts movie now. What the hell more could you want?
>>64602548 while I'm asking, what exactly makes Drax so powerful? (not that he seemed that powerful to be honest.. he came across as about equal to Groot, and I figured he'd be stronger)
but are you saying that most Kree are nearly as strong as Kree?
Cause even though they didn't show too many others, the few they did didn't seem nearly as strong as him.
To make a comparison, (and I'm not just saying this cause they both use hammers) it seems much like how even though all Asgardians are stronger than humans, none of them are nearly as strong as Thor (as you can tell from battles where they'll be struggling and he'll come in and take out entire armies by himself)
it seems like Ronan is the Thor of of the Kreem, but why? What makes him so special?
or is he not special and I just have it all wrong?
>>64602724 The only Kree in the movie was Ronan, his goons were Saakaran. Korath, who 616-wise is a Kree, was also a Saakaran.
Drax, in his Annihilation rebirth, essentially became Green Kratos. He cuts through anything because he has to, his sole purpose is to kill Thanos. I honestly think people wish he was a bit more RIP AND TEAR. Myself included.
>>64602692 No, the general rule of thumb is double the production budget. The production budget doesn't cover advertisement costs, obviously, which can easily equal the production value and, in the case of blockbusters, often exceed it. Obviously each movie is its own individual case but the basic guideline for judging the economic success of a movie is based on its intake being twice the value of its production.
There was a Kree representative who the Nova PRime called and asked to call Ronan off, and he was basically like "not my problem, later bitch" but I don't know how that guy could extrapolate power levels from that one conversation.
>>64602724 In the comics, he was reborn and modified specifically to hunt down Thanos. In the movies, I think it's mostly training 24/7 in order to stroke that revenge boner
And Ronan is the Accuser, which, at least in the comics, basically makes him Thor for the Kree, he's basically the Inquisition all rolled into one terrifying dude and given a hammer that controls a shitload of cosmic energy. They don't really go much into what he did before the movie, so I'm just going to assume the MCU Accuser position is the same as the comic Accuser position.
>>64601193 http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable >The short answer is, it depends on a number of factors, but a rule of thumb seems to be that the film needs to make twice its production budget globally.
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/31/business/waterworld-disappointment-as-box-office-receipts-lag.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm >Studios only earn about half of a film's gross; the rest goes to theater owners
http://articles.latimes.com/1999/sep/08/business/fi-7832 >Only half of box-office receipts come back to the studio.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2012/11/14/2012s-biggest-movie-turkeys/ >Keep in mind that to begin to even imagine breaking even a film needs to earn at least twice its production budget at the box office.
>>64602895 Just throwing this out there. On top of the fact that guardians seems to be pretty well at the box office and has great word of mouth, regardless of whatever it needs to make at the box office, the dvd sales are going to be good
because this movie has great replay value and word of mouth, so there's no doubt in my mind, they're going to do great
>>64596091 You might read Hickman's Fantastic Four & FF, it touches upon some of these events, though it's mostly to retcon them, but it's not bad if you can swallow the indignity. After that you have a couple Avengers Assemble that will give you a taste of how Bendis is going to ruin the GotG, followed by the actual ruining in his GotG series. Then there is Loeb's Nova, but fortunately that gets better when he leaves the book. There are also a few minis that are coming out right now.
>>64599275 it's worth noting that Gayformers only just barely cracked its huge bloated budget this week despite having been in theaters longer, while Guardians is already at 2x its budget and looks better
>>64602920 >Agent Venom >character with little to no cosmic/GotG history >over Mantis, Warlock, Phyla, Moondragon, Cosmo, Bug (impossible), Jack "I hate Cosmic stuff" Flagg and even fucking Dick Rider No.
>>64602836 No. She's blue because comics. Hell, she claimed to be Thanos's granddaughter in the comics, and that fucker is an Eternal. >>64602824 This guy is right though, the one that told Cruella to fuck off was also Kree but he's a office chimp.
Yondu isn't Kree at all, he's space Indian, feather not dot, but they changed him to space redneck because it would've been too close to Avatar. The other blue guys on Yondu's team weren't Kree because they looked like they had fur, they're something else.
>>64602724 >while I'm asking, what exactly makes Drax so powerful?
In the comics, he was a spirit given an artificial body in order to kill Thanos but in the film he just seems to be a particularly strong alien that happens to be good at killing people.
>>64602724 >but are you saying that most Kree are nearly as strong as Kree?
In the comics, the Kree are much stronger than humans. It might not be that way in the MCU since the only other Kree we saw was the one talking to Nova Prime though Ronan being as strong as he was makes it likely.
>it seems like Ronan is the Thor of of the Kree, but why? What makes him so special?
Depending on his backstory in the MCU, Ronan is basically the Royal Executioner of the Kree Empire so that hammer he's lugging around is a particularly powerful weapon.
>>64603166 Mantis stayed behind on mission control and Bug was considered a bit too much of a loser. That particular Captain Universe lost his powers after the Star-Lord mini and died.
When Star-Lord formed the Guardians for the first time, he decided to grab pretty much everyone who participated in Conquest and didn't have prior commitments - that means Rocket and Groot from his old strike team, plus Phyla, Adam, Drax, and Gamora.
>>64602786 Less green kratos more riddick from pitch black but with a power increase. Which makes vin diesels refusal to play the part all the more mindboggling. It's litterally the part that was tailor made for him. It's like nick fury sam jackson.
>>64603445 Ronan, in the comics, anyway, is a Kree Accuser - he's been enhanced to the point where he's stronger than most others of his kind. He's not insanely strong, but he's about on par with Ben Grimm, and that hammer of his is essentially a small-scale reality warper on a stick.
The Ronan in the movie is a fair bit weaker (though it's hard to really say, given that he rarely went all-out and he was high on Power Stones most of the time) but if Comics Ronan is any indication, he's likely a ways above the norm.
>>64603618 Drax was bulletproof, wasn't he? He got shot by those robot things. Overall, I don't think the movie was too concerned with powerlevels. Gamora seemed about as strong as Peter but with a lot more hand to hand skills, but then she could cut Groot's arms of with one swipe. But then later Groot is shown to be immune to most projectiles.
>>64603665 I'm not sure Groot feels pain the way we do. Those projectiles went into him, but he probably ignored them. It's more about where he was hit. Much like you can shoot a tree in the trunk and it won't do very much to it, but you can bring a machete down on a branch and it will fall off.
>>64603618 Drax in the comics varies a lot in strength. At his greatest height, he's about as tough as the Hulk, but shortly before Annihilation, he underwent a transformation that restored most of his intellect but made him a fair amount weaker. After that point, he seems somewhere in the area of "stronger than Spider-Man, weaker than Thor" - definitely superhuman and tougher than anything a normal person can throw at him, but not to the point where he can tank everything.
Movie Drax seems... yeah, Cap level is about right.
As for Gamora, I think that sword of hers might've been a factor.
I'm only worried that this will encourage Marvel to keep churning the same cookie cutter "shitty villain, barely a plot, very jokey" formula movies. On the positive side this will encourage them making more risky movies.
>>64603734 no real sword but this is movie logic we're talking about.
I could easily see a non-supehuman samurai movie that showed a guy slicing an entire tree trunk with one strike.
That's just movie logic concerning swords
The logic goes something like: Anything non metal can be sliced in one strike, and if the sword is magic, ancient/legendary, or created by a grand master then even metal will become 1 strike
I'm reminded of the batman animated series episode where batman fought a ninja that once trained with him in his young days, and the guy chopped down a water tank in like one strike per leg or something
That's why opening weekends are so open for studios; the share kept by theater owners increases as time goes by. Over the lifetime of a film's run, the general rule is that it averages out to be a roughly fifty-fifty split between studios and theaters.
>>64603618 I think power levels get really fucking wonky in Cosmic, especially here.
Like, Drax ripping that security drone in the Kyln. You saw the extremis soldiers tearing apart the various suits in IM3, but the drones were made with alien technology in an alien superprison, so they're probably tougher than Iron Man's suits.
Same with Gamora, she doesn't do anything outstanding impressive, but when you consider the shit she's been through and how that's probably hit a lot harder than Earth shit would, she's a lot stronger than the film might initially imply.
>>64603883 It's also quite likely that Star-Lord in the movie is mildly superhuman. He's specifically noted as having a different physiology than a normal person, and he has a resistance to the Power stone.
>>64599451 I case you're still here, or the thread is still here when you're back, or it isn't but you check the archive, I'll try to come up with something. The good thing about Mar is that he's pretty much self-contained. But it'd just a chronological list, can't really tell you anything about whether it's good or not.
- Untold Legend of Captain Marvel #1-3 (a flashback miniseries from 1997) - Marvel Super-Heroes #12-13 (an anthology series, mostly reprints, but it's where Cap M. first appeared, late 1967) - Captain Marvel #1-21 (1968 series) - Avengers #89-97 (Kree-Skrull War, pretty good shit for it's time) - Captain Marvel #22-57 (with some gust apearences here and there, but nothing big to my knowledge) - Avengers #172-177 (the second half of Korvac Saga, if you want to read the whole of it, it started in #168) - Cap M. #58-62 (the series gets canned) - Marvel Spotlight #1-4 (1979 series) - Incredible Hulk #245-248 (something about the planet K'ai) - Marvel Spotlight #8 - Marvel Graphic Novel: Death of Captain Marvel
Also, his son, Genis-Vell, PAD had some fun with him in the late 90s/early 00s. He first appeared in a few cosmic stories in Silver Surfer's title, a miniseries called Cosmic Powers, and even had his own miniseries, all in 1994-1996, but it's the 1999 series when the wild ride starts: - Captain Marvel #1-35 (1999 series. It got restarted because PAD and Bill Jemas got a wager about who's funnier. Google U-Decide if you want to learn more) - Captain Marvel #1-25 (2002 series) - Thunderbolts #1-18 (2005 series, where he changes his name to Photon, among other things)
Also-also, since it's a pretty good read and one of the better parts of Secret Invasion (well, at least I think so) - Civil War: The Return - Captain Marvel #1-5 (2008 series) He was later semi-important in Secret Invasion, but it was shit, so you don't have to read it.
Was the marketing budget really that big? All they had to do was slap "You're Welcome" on a poster and let the internet do the rest. I can't really tell how big of a marketing presence anything has since I don't watch TV and use adblock on the net.
>>64601989 >while costing about sixty million less to make. really? shit it's practically a low budget film. or was that just super low salary for the actors? >>64602164 amen to that anon a superman movie should be breaking a bil everytime, he's SUPERMAN. WB doesn't know how to handle their shit, I pity DC. >>64601931 how would we make it known we REALLY REALLY want an extended cut with everything removed added back?
>>64596699 Actually, a lot of japanese humor i've seen is about interpreting figures of speech. Like, someone would make an allusion to folk lore that just so happens to be literally relevant or something pike that. Its hard to explain obviously because i'm not a native speaker but i think the japanese would actually find drax funny if he was voiced in a certain way. Tone and cadence is what japanese really counts on in interpreting meaning.
>>64604774 I'm 280lbs with a really small peanut and I can't penetrate my girlfriend who is 330lbs. When we are intimate it involves her talking nasty to me while I jack off my tiny idiot dick. I squeeze her tits while I jack off. Sometimes I cum on her but not usually because we are really lazy and she doesn't want to have to clean it up. We are both going to die soon. Bye.
>>64602164 What's even worse is that WB had the idea of a cohesive cinematic universe years before Marvel did. They've had Superman vs. Batman and Justice League movies planned before, with the intent of giving members their own spinoff movies. But WB and DC spent so much time fucking around and not getting anything done that Marvel not only beat them to the punch but have firmly rooted themselves as the big superhero movie company. WB is finally getting around to this but it might be too little too late, and time will tell if they can even keep this up.
>>64604829 What worries me is that Jap shows usually emphasize that a joke happened. Like >Char a does absurd thing >Char B: "Why did you do thing? That absud thing to do?" Hopefully the non- dialogue jokes like the whole prison scene makes them happy
>>64604696 >it's practically a low budget film. or was that just super low salary for the actors?
low salary i'd guess, marvel has been pretty good at choosing actors who aren't big names yet. cooper and diesel were probably cheap since they were just voice roles, saldana was likely the most expensive of the lot
I think it's a fad. But I don't think the fad's dying real soon or anything, I think that cosmic marvel was a real stretch to try and bring to audiences and frankly I'm surprised it was as well received as it has been.
>>64604696 >>while costing about sixty million less to make. >really? >shit >it's practically a low budget film. or was that just super low salary for the actors?
Guardians cost $170 million to make while Man of Steel cost $225 million, which is still cheaper than Superman Returns since that film got stuck with the bill for all the failed attempts between Superman IV and Returns.
>>64601989 >B-but the prime movie season I recommend getting a prescription butt cream, I don't think the over-the-counter stuff will help you.
>And Guardians will be more profitable to Marvel Studios even if less people actually watched it, so there! Do the people saying this stuff actually own Disney stock, or do they just personally identify with a corporation to the point that they feel vindicated by minor increases in their net income?
>>64605052 >watching shit subs However, in this case there's really nothing else you can do for the sub watchers. I can't think of any way you can interpret "tiger horse" as something that can sound like "trauma". Nor can you do so with whatever possible synonyms for tiger and horse you could find.
If you can't make a movie for that much money because of your unholy acting talents, you need to give up. Warner Bros. of course inherited its current budget practice from New Line Cinema, after the problems over there.
>a superman movie should be breaking a bil everytime, he's SUPERMAN.
Only one Superman movie has ever made that much, and that was in 1978. (it was actually $300m but is around a billion at today's money). Superman II marginally outsold Man of Steel. The next nearest was Superman Returns, which made what would be somewhere around $450m today (on an insane budget, much of which was money paid to Nicolas Cage for not being used in a movie, but also probably a lot of historical legal costs associated with returning the Superboy element of the rights to WB). Warner Bros. didn't make the first two movies- they didn't even have global distribution rights to them.
>>64604722 It's not out in China, which has been a huge market for this type of film lately.
>>64605227 >$170 million is almost double the average spend.
That seems the going rate for a Marvel movie that doesn't have Iron Man actually; Winter Soldier, The Dark World, and Guardians of the Galaxy all came in around that.
Green Lantern was the cheapest of the three big DC films and even it cost $200 million (which is roughly what the second two Iron Man films cost), which is quite a bit less than Man of Steel's $225 million (roughly the same as The Avengers) and a lot less than Dark Knight Rises, which cost $250 million to make according to the LA Times and that's even after considerable tax breaks.
>>64594008 Don't you even joke about that shit, I legit had problems differentiating people's skin tones in this movie because I'm red-green color blind. It was weird talking to my friends about it after.
>>64605371 >Odessa is dead. >Flik never learns to love again. >Everything Viktor had was taken by Neclord. >After his revenge he adventures with no real objective, not sure what to do with his life. >The bastard king of Harmonia never pays for his crimes. >Tuta is a guy
>>64603883 /tg/ here, I'm trying to follow along so would a good metaphor be that cosmic marvel is like epic level DnD? It feels like the same game because everything scales but instead of goblin hordes you're fighting cosmic terrors en masse and your character is leagues above anything else.
>>64605410 >implying hollywood execs are at any point not trying to screw people out of money If a movie is a success, someone will not get their piece of the pie. Someone will get screwed over, even if it's just the irs.
>>64605440 Good analogy, but not entirely accurate. There are a lot of cosmic marvel heroes like Nova and (appropriately) the GotG who aren't necessarily all that tough in relation to some Earthbound superheroes, and they cruise around having spacecop-and-spacerobber adventures and getting involved in interplanetary wars between mostly-mortal alien races. A lot of the BIG shit in the Marvel Universe is out in space, though--like Galactus, the Phoenix Force, the Eternals, Thanos, etc.--and cosmic characters probably bump into them more often on average, while the Earth heroes called upon to deal with those threats are similarly the top-tier kinds of folks. For my money, though, the bigger threats in Marvel, on par with epic-level D&D, aren't from space but from other dimensions/realms, like Thor and Doctor Strange villains.
>>64605542 Okay I think I got the power levels set then but I'm little confused on Asgard now. In the MCU is it another dimension? I was under the impression it was a planet with a few others under its control.
Well, yeah, but those are particularly egregious cases of it. Nobody takes Paramount's claims that Forrest Gump didn't make money seriously for instance; the only reason they say that is because Winston Groom is entitled to a percentage of the net.
>>64605567 All the realms, afterlives, dimensions, fringe spaces, pasts, futures and alternate realities are a bit complicated. It also doesn't really matter. You can think of Asgard as another dimension, it won't necessarily be correct, but it is as good a working theory as any.
>>64605148 >Can't we have both good Marvel and DC films?
>Does /co/ love eating shit this much?
Sorry, that was the /v/tard in me. However i loved Batman films at one point. I really enjoyed BB and TDK was a great sequel - not as perfect but new and it had fresh ideas. However, DC only made trash after TDK hit billions. Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, TDKR, Man Of Steel ... the list goes on and on and all i want are good DC films. I hope they deliver on any of the 10 upcoming films. It's not that hard making at least a good film. I mean look at Marvel... i was fed up with all the Stupid SpiderMan3/GhostRider/FantasticFour trash and couldn't care less about Marvel films. But suddenly they creat their Studio/Universe and overtake DC in the blink of an eye. Marvel does awesome and i wish for DC to do the same, but they have turned into fuck ups.
>>64605584 That's my point. Citing advertising budgets and such in an attempt to discredit a movies success is idiotic since those inflated budgets don't mean anything. The whole game is just about getting net profits down. Why else would advertising budgets not be disclosed?
>>64605735 I ain't even mad at you, you're a helpful motherfucker.
>>64605769 Not to derail but there's some nice bits on /v/ every now and again. It's a board of extremes, threads are either the worst thing ever or mad fun. The new Five Nights with Freddie threads are fantastic though and so is the game.
>>64605784 There was a time i liked going to /v/ but it's the console wars that got too annoying. It's always the same arguments, day in and out. No reason whatsoever.
>Nintendrones, Sonyggers, Sales, Charts, Reddit. You are Neogaf. NO YOU ARE NEGAF. Those are not games, THESE are the only true games! What, you don't like game X? Look at this retard not acknowledging the sheer quality of my favorite kids games.
>>64605906 I'm not sure what's the worst board. I only visit like 5 of them and my two favorite boards are for porn. /co/ is pretty much the most peaceful non-porn board that i visit but there are probably better ones.
The thing is Studios make 100 percent profit for the first few weeks, after 6-8 weeks the theaters start to take almost all the profits the film generates.
This matters for other productions where most of the cashisn't going to made in the first week or two but for a front loaded superhero movie the 180,000,000 dollars GOTG has made so far is going straight into Marvel's pockets, the advertising budget will be recouped in the following 4-6 weeks and then marvel has that sweet sweet foreign gross it can take directly to the bank.(Not including all the jew money they'll be making later with Blu-Ray sales and toys and shit.)
You get a howstuffworks article for further reading http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/movie-distribution2.htm
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