>mfw rewatching TLA when i finally get to book 2 episode 6
is toph the greatest character in the history of ever?
you made me remember this
Well, archetypes are archetypes, and you can't escape it, but this is just too blatant and lacking substance.
Beside her introductory running away, she didn't have any kind of inner conflict or development, she's very flat.
It's not bad, she's not qualified for best character competition.
I don't think "best character" has to inherently mean "most developed" character. It can simply mean a character whose execution was done in a way that made them entirely likable.
> she's not qualified for best character competition.
The best character is always the one who is the most popular. It doesn't matter how deep or complex the character is, all that matters is how many people like said character. Toph isn't the best character because she isn't more popular than characters like Zuko or Katara.
She is a good character. Creating the blind gimmick but giving her the personality of a tomboy who hated her life as a princess really worked out. She could of grown in any direction but you really ended up loving her by the end of the series.
Blind master cliche to an extant. Most of them are wise stoic stereotypes. You got to see growth and watch her become a better earthbender as well. She was far from shallow.
I agree with this
Toph was loads of fun, but she was a rather flat character with comparison to the likes of Sokka or Zuko.
The moments where she's on screen are definitely entertaining, but she isn't very engaging character
The future thing as some anon said
Also there had been an idea thrown about that The Avatar's Trainers are resurrected with them, and she was the soul of a previous Earth Bending Teacher. Which also ties in with the fact that the design for Roku's teacher was what Toph was originally supposed to look like before they changed her design
She was a previous Avatar
There was a flashback episode in season 3 where we saw how Roku learned Earth, Water, and Air bending
His Earth Bending Teacher's design was based off of the original design idea for Toph
You do all realize that >>64548822 was asking about Jessie Flower, not Toph.
She's 19 btw.
I wish there were more pictures of her from comic con
You couldn't imagine the things I remember.
i never really thought toph needed a major character arc, and in fact i like her more for it. she's the one main character that knows exactly who she is and what she wants. she kicks ass and she knows it and that's that.
What do you expect from a woman who gave Tupac Shakur a lapdance and has been announcing midget porn on Playboy TV for the last 20 years?
Before going any further, "best character" should be defined, because clearly you all have different definitions, in this context.
Best developed/complex character? Zuko
Best likeable character?
Best most popular character?
You guys are lucky then, she is into the nerdy type who has an obsession over her.
I went to a Con in Toronto six years ago. She was only 13, I was 21. I got to give her a big old hug. She clearly felt my raging boner, her facial expression changed slightly for a moment, but she said nothing, finished the hug and then sighed my book. So glad I never got arrested.
Why didn't toph grow up to be a bodybuilder the way I always envisioned? I mean she was portrayed as huge and muscular in the ember island players.
I've talked to the women in that pic via email. She's really nice if you get to know her.
Should could have started lifting at the age of 17-18 or something.
was she a case of the foot focus, /co/?
i mean scenes like these weren't really necessary, were they?
Toph isn't even the best character in Avatar
because her design is based around the contradiction of petite size and massive strength, making her hueg would make her more generic
Seconded. I doubt shit like this was in the script.
I'm more annoyed by the fact that they introduced another daughter and made her a neglectful parent for plot/drama
Lin should have stayed an only child and Toph should have been reveled to be a shitty, but loving parent.
Neglectful? That's certainly not what the backstory I saw portrayed. Giving your daughters too much freedom/not enough structure is not the same as "neglectful." It was pretty much implied that everything she did was for her daughters.
>made her a neglectful parent for plot/drama
Yeah, they also did same to Aang. Which is also weird, since Aang was never a guy who's so obsessed with 'DA BALANCE' and other boring stuff, he was a joyful and kind dude first of all.
On the Book 2 commentary, Bryke said Kya and Bumi were misreading the situation and giving viewers the wrong impression. Aang wasn't neglecting them. He was taking Tenzin along on his Avatar-related business, feeling he would best be able to carry on Aang's legacy in the future.
Aang wasn't a neglectful parent. He just wasn't able to balance his role as Avatar and Parent as well as everyone would have liked.
> Aang wasn't neglecting them. He was taking Tenzin along on his Avatar-related business, feeling he would best be able to carry on Aang's legacy in the future.
I just don't feel like Aang would put "legacy" and other airbender/avatar-related business over his children, over fun etc.
We remember him as a joyful avatar who could balance being a monk-boy who likes fun and never kills anyone, and being an avatar who needed to put an end to the firelord. He did it his own extraordinary way (thanks to the help of the turtle-lion ofc).
So I doubt that he wouldn't be able to be a good parent.
>We need to make these characters have sympathetic back stories
>Hm, how about they were unwanted as a child and their parents forced them out of their lives!
>Nah, too boring.
>…I'm just gonna throw this out there, but, how about the parents were killed by a firebender
>Give that man a promotion!
No anon that means you never do shit for your kids. You may as well not be there. You don't feed or clothe them. This is never implied. However she gave her kids freedom. Not neglect, but she trusted them to become independent people and she never tried to force her own dreams/beliefs etc on her kids.
Not her fault her kids became fuck ups. See a neglectful mother wouldn't have cared that one of her daughters was involved in a crime.
>Aang was neglectful
Kya and Bumi were brats who were mad because Tenzin got more attention than them. No he spent alot of time on tenzin so that he can pass on his airbender heritage to tenzin.
>You guys are lucky then, she is into the nerdy type who has an obsession over her.
I haven't read any of the comics? Are they any good? Better than Korra I would hope.
Also is that who people are speculating was her first husband? I wonder what happened to him.
A lot of the stuff is dumb, like revealing where Ursa was, but the character interactions and the art are great.
Aang did cut his ties with all the past Avatars though.It's probably the dumbest moment in the series
He cut off his connection with Avatar Roku in The Promise by destroying his Fire Nation medallion, and it's having a ripple effect with the other Avatars. Might be why Korra had so much trouble speaking with Aang.
It was basically Sozin and Roku 2.0 with Zuko and Aang, and Roku wanted him to do what he couldn't
Aang didn't agree with Rokus stance on killing, so he cut his ties with him, but in doing so, he blocked out the rest of the past avatars as well.
i was in the same boat.
i watched Korra fully, then started my TLA rewatch and damn did i miss a lot of episodes as a kid.
you, i like you.
on another note, is there a better two episode stretch excluding the series finale than The Blind Bandit & Zuko Alone?
I never watched A:TLA (apart from seeing Tales from Ba Sing Se at a friend's house) because I didn't get Nick as a kid. I watched Korra episodes 1 and 2 because they were free on iTunes and was blown away, so I immediately went back and mainlined all of A:TLA in about two months while Korra was airing.
just watch it in order, shit
They did seem to get a lot more done when their primary membership was like six old dudes whose combined power could level armies.
So in that sense the Red Lotus is just some grey hairs away from honoring some of the best traditions of their parent organization.
She's the generic super powerful loli character. Nothing about her makes any sense but we're able to handwaive it away with "she's a cute little girl" and "this is a kids show".
But when they simply made Toph into a teenager and called her Korra..well...
Shit hit the fan.
This should have been the Toph of the future
I'll see if I can find the clip but its in a scene where Lin and Tenzin are watching Korra probending. Lin says its hard to imagine that Aang reincarnated as Korra and Tenzin says she reminds him of someone when she was young. He then says something like "maybe you two would get a long if you just talked" and Lin looks off to the side and says "Maybe".
Skip to 13:15. I know the nick player is fucking ass so you might want to look for another version
What do you mean handwave?
She learned from the Earthbending creators and masters, the Badgermoles. Then she gets to routinely fight in secret at tournaments.
Technically her power growth is over a much longer period of time than fucking Katara who goes from useless tier to god tier in a fucking SUMMER.
It was a good mix that they played well, like in the ep where she cheats people out of their money. ATLA characters' strength rarely came from their standalone value; it came from the strength of their characterization and their relationships with each other.
Huh, that might be it. Its just that another Anon pointed me to the scene framing it as if though Tenzin was talking about Suyin and it made sense to me. The only way to know is to ask Bryke themselves I guess,