>>64378394 I just wish company wars on /co/ weren't a thing. We are better than that and every company makes good comics and shit comics. I mean we aren't /v/ for god sakes. Really my only complaint with /co/
>>64378794 >I refuse to buy a $3.99 book unless it has 40 pages
You're going to have to stop buying comic books entirely within 5 years. All books will be moving to $3.99 - all of them. Even TWD will have a sharp price increase, if it doesn't wind up with the drop in sales after the show ends.
The underlying costs of production and distribution have made periodical publishing increasingly expensive and will continue to do so as materials and fuel costs continue to rise. You can only ever find a 40 page $4 book now if it's subsidized by other titles - it's not viable to print at 10c/page.
The only exceptions to this are newspapers (which are full of advertising but still shrinking and growing more expensive) and glossy monthlies (which are in a similar position but charge a higher cover price than newsprint). In both cases you're talking about publications with circulations and advertising revenues (the main two sources of revenue for any publisher) that dwarf those of any single title in the US comics market by at least a factor of 10.
Were. No one likes to hear it, but the truth is once the old guard left /co/'s freshmen were far too naive and susceptible to simple mind games. The whole divide and conquer thing is the old trick in the troll book to get things rolling and people fall for it all the time, hell one troll I think in 2010 admitted these very threads were used to prime people up by getting them to think about what upsets them and then either use that atmosphere or the material found to make threads in an hour or so to capitalize.
It's not a solution and sometimes is ineffectual, but other than those few exceptions moot's motto is right. Just ignore stupid shit, trying to rationalize it won't solve anything as you're either being taken for a stroll or the person is that thickheaded to begin with so you're not going to re-educate them in a few hours of posts. As such it's better just not to encourage the behavior, if a troll setups a line and doesn't get a bite they're left with no feedback. It doesn't mean they'll stop trolling, as it's in their character to begin with, but at least they'll stop knowing what works and using the same thing over and over.
The whole us vs them thing is the most frequent instigator because it's the quickest way to get a group to stop thinking and start arguing for someone's amusement. The problem will always be there, but /co/ you've gotta wise up, that's the only solution. No one can solve this for you.
>>64379862 >batman can beat anyone provided the circumstances are set up to be the most favorable possible for him yeah no shit. that's like saying "iron man can beat anyone if you give him the chance to make an anti-that person armor first" or "doomsday can beat anyone if you let him adapt to all of that person's strengths first"
>>64380218 >Frozen is the new MLP? how so? then what does that make MLP Mostly because it's cartoon about female characters that achieved a large enough audience to actually be profitable. What affect this will have on animation as a whole on the US has yet to be seen.
>I assume you know about the Gotham series coming to Fox, then? Yup. Not sure how I feel about the trailing, but I've decided to remain optimistic.
>>64380323 >This movie will be forgotten about Not until another animated movie about two women comes out to replace it in everyone's minds. Maybe the upcoming Medusa movie will be the one, but it'd too early to tell at this point.
Plus, with how much money the thing made in Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if they made an anime based on it like Avengers DISK Wars.
>>64380412 About two women? Dude, it only needs two women in it period. As long as they aren't or don't look like typical lesbians then they'll have a field day with them.
As for it making money in japan...most disney cartoon movies that aren't absolute shit like brave makes money in japan. It won't get an anime, and the tell that it's not as popular as they think or wish it was is the fact that there is not a single decent bit of hentai for it. I bet disney will have to pay for some to be made.
>>64379862 I agree with you to a certain extent, it's when other heroes are written completely out of character so Batman can win with prep time that I do not like. His real power should be that he has the ability to alter reality subtly so he can gain an edge.
Weird, I'd give you X-23 since she was specifically made by the same facility that made Logan except they just so happened to be run by a guy with a fixation on abusing little girls that are vaguely related to the original it all seems a tad contrived, whereas Daken is what I'd assume to be the natural product of Logan's country hopping hobby.
Can't really speak on Supergirl, I don't know how many Super people are to my liking but technically since Kryptonians have already been established as a ridiculously advanced, biologically potent, spacefaring species it really doesn't make sense for absolutely all of their people to just so happen to cluelessly remain on Krypton on its destruction short of this one baby that makes it to Earth, but whatever works I guess. Batmobile's tires and all that.
>>64380704 Earnest answer: he's become a lazy caricature of himself. He doesn't bother to do any backstory research on characters so shit changes for no reason; he also thus doesn't bother to build on what's come before, so everyone ends up sounding like a Generic Supposedly Witty Bendis Character. Decompressed shit, and really sloppy plotting. A 21-issue storyline of Uncanny X-Men was just ended with the revelation it was due to a villain who hadn't been seen in any of those issues.
I hate the inhumans Teen cape comics > Adult cape comics Cosmic stores are contrived pieces of ass that almost never work MoS was ok Disk Wars is the second finest adaptation of Marvel Comics Grant Gustin should've been saved for Wally West Cap 1 was good Fuck you Summers, Hank, Idie, and Barry Allen
>>64379475 You're right. But goddamnit it should have been the reason they're civilization stagnated for hundreds of millenia and couldn't leave the planet even though they all knew it was going to blow up.
>>64381551 Its pretty stupid to bring in the genetics bullshit in the first place. What was the point? It was inconsequential besides perhaps making Kal seem like a superior kryptonian, which is also bs.
>>64380025 God thank you. That was fucking AWFUL. It made everything pointless and was so painful to watch. I mean, there's predestined bullshit then there's recognizing something great.
It's like they realized that they honestly had no fucking idea of how to write create or sell the superman character and a real deal heroic and good peson so they just pussed out and played on people's expectations and full knowledge of clark kent becoming superman.
>>64381626 >It's like they realized that they honestly had no fucking idea of how to write create or sell the superman character and a real deal heroic and good peson so they just pussed out and played on people's expectations and full knowledge of clark kent becoming superman. New person and yes this! That could not be more obvious by all the awful shit he does in the film and then they compare him to fucking Jesus Christ. And what's more trippy is people think it was all original and fresh when the movie is an stark copy of Superman I and II from an writer that doesn't even respect comic fans or the medium.
I'm actually looking forward to the Fantastic Four movie. Fox seems to know what they're doing now and I like most of the people working on the movie. I do think Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm is a miscasting though.
>>64381279 God thank you. They spent untold billions of dollars to make a clone of fucking wolverine of all people then after they had the quite honestly retarded idea of cloning him in such a way that it's a girl they force the middle aged frumpy genetic dead end of a scientist to gestate her?
Do they not know that a unbelievably unfit woman of that age is a beyond terrible choice for a mother?
I mean, they spent BILLIONS and litteral decades trying to clone wolverine(seriously they have the shit that made deadpool and they made fucking kimahla)and instead of putting the embryo in a science tube ala wolverine and growing and fretting over it nonstop everyday and implanting all of the knowledge it will need till it's at least 15 they fucking put it in a frumpy middle aged scientist.
That's not even the best part. Despite the fact that there is not a single gene linking this woman to x-23 she was born looking exactly like her!!
And did I mention they made the clone by using two of wolverines x genes? That..That doesn't even make any goddamend sense!
If it's not revealed that most of her entire past is mid 90's wolverine implanted memroies tier and wolverine knows all about her and that she's actually the daughter of wolverine and a hot japanese assassin that was kidnapped as a child and lied too her entire life I will be very very upset.
I think /co/ never ever discusses Wonder Over Yonder simply because it has Lauren Faust on its team. It's not even because the show may or may not be mediocre; it's just that /co/ is scared shitless that it'll become the next FiM. It's a damn shame that having Faust working on a show is now a guaranteed kiss of death. I wonder if /co/ would stop watching The Legend Korra or Gravity Falls if Faust joined those teams as well?
>>64381603 You're right. It was all about breeding perfect cogs for a world machine.
But it made no sense seeing as how it had no real impact on the overall theme of the story, which was awful by the way. It was only there as a nod to one of supermans's origins and being a reason to make superman a target of zod.
Really the only thing good to come out of it was the zod speech at the end.
>>64381665 Did you not fucking hear those ridiculous speeches that were made during the teasers of man of steel. Did you not listen to both jor el and pa kent DRONE ON about how he's going to be superman one day? Did you not see that one stupid as fuck scene where it showed clark kent running around in a red superman cape as a kid? They don't even have a fucking comic book of a guy in a red cape laying around to give a reason for why he would wear that cape and pretend to be superman.
>>64382176 Snyder can't and didn't write shit. If he did he should be fucking fired or kept as far away from it as possible.
As for zods motivation being to remake krypton and he makes a special trip to fucking earth of all places...they could have easily found another fucking world with the exact conditions or potential conditions to create a new krypton. There was legitimately no reason for them to go to earth. None.
Hell they could have remade krypton on another planet in their solar system or built a colony on another world using debris from the old one.
>>64382096 thats because though harteman is a hack his ideas do seem to work for making young kids and they probably dont mind shit like a new dog... but killing timmy, that was just going full retard.
>>64382401 >I don't understand why there is so much shitposting in the Win-O-Threads. Because they're giving away free comic books, so it attracts a lot of idiots. Most of the decent people in those threads just keep quiet.
I just started visiting /co/ again recently after ignoring this board for several years. I held a grudge against you fags for spawning the brony cancer. Thank god MLP is no longer relevant and most of you have finally had some sense knocked into your head and realize that it was never a good show.
>>64382707 Nothing about it was ever okay. Unless you're in it's initial intended demographic, then you're excused of your opinions on it.
I remember that article - "The end of the creator-driven era of animation" or whatever it was called that got you guys all butthurt. The person who wrote that thing was absolutely right and MLP was proof of it.
>>64379798 Me too man, hell i was hype when 3 episodes of omniverse got released earlier in southamerica but then i remember nobody cares of ben 10 and the episodes never got uploaded and subbed. Thankfully i know spanish so i could watch them but then i had no one with who i could discuss them
>Amazing Spider-Man comics haven't been good since the 80s >Spider-Man has the worst fanbase >Spider-Man's Tangled Web is my favourite MARVEL series and Superior Foes of Spider-Man is the only good comic from marvel right now >Usagi Yojimbo is the best comic series of all time >Iron Man is my favourite MARVEL character, I read the comics before the movie and liked Iron Man 2 and 3(fav)
All the People that are now butthurt about cosmic marvel ignoring the DnA run now know how i feel about marvel treatment to ghost rider. Jason Aaron's amazing run with by far the best supporting cast and the most interesting plot will never be followed. All i got was a half assed attempt at a female rider and an ok but completely disconnected of everything new character
Home Movies is an extremely unfunny and overrated show. The "improv" they do relies on childish humor and is done in a very amateur way. The animation is fucking atrocious and the kid's movies and random singalong segments only detract moreso from what was already a very bad and boring show.
Okay, first of all, Batman is the first New God of the Fifth World, as the DC Multiverse works in simmetries, him being a New God that represents Order and Justice, there must be created a New God that represents Disorder, Chaos and Injustice, that's where the Joker comes from, he was never really a man, it's someone that, as Batman separated himself from his humanity, the Joker did the same, eventually becoming far more brutal, unfunny and in general just a killer, that's why he can do so much with so little, and that's why Justice never really catches him, he represents Injustice itself.
Joker is the evil New God of the Fifth World, the true antithesis to Batman.
All Robins and Batgirls are shit, no exceptions. Joker is boring milked cashcow at this point. Marvel universe has the worst villain gallery for respective characters. Frozen was 6/10 movie and let it go sucks dick. Flash is underrated. Green Lantern and Thor are the worst respective universes. I am TIRED of endless reboots and shitty crossovers.
>>64384102 It's a bit of a longshot, but I think that's pretty compelling, yes, but explaining why Batman is the first New God of the Fifth World is harder.
In any case, you can see that "Batman" is an entity that possesed the young Bruce Wayne, and Batman created himself through the events in "The Return of Bruce Wayne", all of this thanks to Darkseid, so this would make Batman one of the Dark God's creation, that's why he could kill him in Final Crisis, when Darkseid died, the last New God of the Fourth World died, and a new world was to come, similar to the previous, a new world appeared with Batman being the first New God, mind you, that Batman possesed Bruce Wayne and that's why he does no longer care for his own welfare or happiness, he just wants to be the Bat.
The same thing happened to the Joker, an entity from the Fifth World and antithesis to Batman possesed a man and every shred of identity of the one who was before was destroyed.
>>64378394 Batman should be mostly dark and gritty because he's an obsessive man defining himself by a sad moment in a childhood and the Nolan movies captured him (motivation and tone, at least) perfectly. If you don't want to read something dark, go read something not Batman.
I think people on /co/ only know how to talk out of their asses, i can't take them seriously at all, they honestly believe they could make things better than what's on T.V. but most often than not their criticism is redundant and nonsensical, they might say something about a cartoon being too cliché just to complain in the next sentence for doing stuff outside of the box, they have NO IDEA what a good show is but they are absolutely certain they do.
I try to avoid cartoon threads when people start saying what's wrong with them, because 9 out of 10 times they just repeat the same nonsensical shit.
Little things piss me off more than people that go all "Marveldrone" "DC fag" as if writers that work for one company never worked for the other, or as if most characters had a contra part on the other universe (regardless of who made it first). What kind of retarded argument is that being under another label changes the quality of a comic?
>>64385924 the problem with discourse in society today is the narcissism that comes with everyone listening to YOU.
This comment right here will be ignored by nearly everyone on 4chan, but it satisfies a desire to be heard by anyone, no matter what I say, be it "Man of Murder" or "butthurt Marveldrone."
What I say isn't as important as people hearing me say something. And why is it always negative? Well, it provokes a response, for one. For two, I'm just an angry person in general but don't have any real way to lash out at the world beyond impotent displays of "culture" by claiming I can dissect the hidden critique of Frozen.
I feel nothing but pain on the inside every time none comic readers constantly bash DC for their movies just because Marvel's doing so well. And not just Man of Steel, every 5 minutes its "DC did THIS meanwhile Marvel's doing THIS" Like they're winning or have become part of the company. Like DC personally did something to them and they're holding a grudge
I'm a huge DC fan and a Marvel casual, but I hate when DC fans (Mainly Fans of Arrow) bash Marvel for no reason.
I hate that DC doesn't have its own studio and Warner Bros. will always have the final say on what movies are made.
I'm a huge Batman fan, but I hate that Warner Bros. only care about Batman and the other heroes don't get a fair standalone chance. Unless its a team-up, I think Batman should just stay out of movies for a while.
I started reading main DC titles with the New 52 and love it, but I want the old universe to still exist and have its own separate title, simply called "New Earth".
I'm still in mourning that Demon Knights was cancelled......
Well, I'm a Marvel fan and DC casual and I completely agree with you, I don't understand people hating on one company or the other, I would love it if DC had more decent movies coming out because that way they might actually start making movies of some of their most interesting less known characters.
Any time I see a post where someone is taking sides in support of Marvel or DCs movies against the other, like they're a fucking football team or something not just companies who are in turn owned by fucking huge mega corporations who are out to wring as much money from it's customers as possible, I want to reach through the internet and strangle the poster for being so fucking stupid.
You know who you are and I'm talking to you right now. They're not your friends, they're not on your side, they don't give a shit about your support, the only part of you they care about is your wallet, stop being such a tit.
I love things that people here regularly call "edgy" "grimdark" or "tryhard". I'm comfortable in liking such things because I know the people who raise a stink over it are just pretnetious neckbeard manbabies who think Power Rangers is the height of entertainment. I, and billions of normal people, enjoy gore, violence, sexuality, and coarse language. I always get a laugh when these nerds say "You just hate fun!" because from where I'm standin', they hate my fun.
On a side note, Grant Morrison is better when writing new or obscure IPs.
>>64385590 >because 9 out of 10 times they just repeat the same nonsensical shit.
It's kind of depressing that they're so delusional about it, but like Shitwarsguy and the Marveldrone thing, I suspect a good deal of it is just trolling. And if not, hey, at least you can recognise dumb when you see it.
*they did spend decades trying to clone him. It's not really clear how they got his X-chromosome but not his Y-chromosome, or whether they got his autosomes.
*you can't just double up the X-chromosome from a male with itself and produce a female version - nor can you knock an arm off and produce a Y-chromosome from it. This is addressed on the page.
*she's made using (fairly) sound real-world techniques - but obviously has a large amount of donor material from Dr Kinney, which is why she looks like her. Really she's not a clone of either Kinney or Logan, but a hybrid - not strictly speaking a daughter. There's not a good shorthand for describing the genetic relationship, because of the problems with chromosomes.
I don't recall why Kinney gestated Laura (or even that she did, only that she was referred to as a mother figure and shared genes with her), but I would imagine it was to keep herself valuable to the project at a point where they'd had almost two dozen failed attempts.
>>64381978 At best it would stall the price for a decade, but the quality would seriously decline. Newsprint just can't perform the same way.
Worse, it would hit the sales figures pretty bad, because yes, you've guessed it, even though they're not under any illusions about the worth of these things, they're still bought mainly by collectors who hang onto them.
>>64387940 No, NONE OF THAT SHIT WORKS OR MAKES FUCKING SENSE in any form of real world science and it doesn't make sense in comic book bullshit science either. Because it's so illogical and roundabout and forced drama that it's utterly fucking stupid.
And the lead director of the entire retarded project forced her to gestate it.
Look, if they didn't have the goddamned balls to just say they built her from scratch out of some genetic scraps in an old weapon-x lab then they should have at least said that it's all utter bullshit and she's just another one of wolverine, the third biggest manslut in marvel behind Stark Cage but oddly enough before Herculese, bastard children.
It makes more fucking sense, has all of that delicious pathos, and him being directly responsible for her mothers death and subsequent revealing that the Weapon X program which he started was up and running and directly responsible for making her into a monster would be a hell of a lot more entertaining then the shit they pulled.
Marvel is beating DC in the CU arms race because they had to utilize their B-listers with shitty Rogues to get to where they are today while WB always had and always will utilize Batman and if Marvel had Spider-Man and the X-Men, they'd be in the same boat.
Flash Rogues fans who hate Geoff Johns' work but love Mark Waid's make me laugh. Waid couldn't write most of them for shit. What he did do was write Piper and Trickster well, and people who say he did an awesome job with the Rogues are betraying either their ignorance or bias. Fuck 'em either way.
But you're not really replying to me, you're replying to your own failed understanding of the storyline. She can't be a clone of Wolverine because she's female and he's male - that's the bottom line here. You want to explain that as her being his child because you don't understand comic book science, let alone real-world science. I want you to go and spend a couple of hours reading around the subject.
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