How it should have ended:
Finn: But dad, the whole point of Lego is to build whatever you want!
Dad: Yes, I understand that. And I want to build huge cities with structure and order.
Finn: B-but, structure and order is the death of creativity!
Dad: Structure and order is what puts food on your table, kid. Now help me clean up this mess, it's Taco Tuesday.
Dad: Hey Finn, want to play "Cave Explorer?"
Credits begin to roll as the audience is forced to listen to a child cry along with the sound of someone violating a mayonnaise jar.
The moral was that both of them were in the wrong. The kid was a brat for not respecting his father's stuff, while the father was a dick for filling the basement with toys and only let his son play with the cast offs. I mean, shit, I want to sympathize with the father, I really do. I used to build Star Trek models as a kid and I'd get pissed off when my friends would play with them like toys... but those were models. Delicate and required hours of effort that could be ruined in an instant. Legos are fucking Legos. They're made to be put together and taken apart thousands of times.
You're kind of a dumb person.
The point against creativity over order was made long before when the submarine failed and Emett's sofa saved all their lives. The entire third act relies on structure as well as improvisation.
Wasn't hard. I mean, it's a kid's movie.
You missed the most important dad line.
"You made this?"
The movie wasn't saying that the dad was wrong for having a hobby, or seeing it as art. The movie was saying that the dad was underestimating his son, and being selfish by keeping his hobby to himself, and realized that he and his kid could've been bonding over their shared love of creation the entire time.
Its not "don't have a hobby", its "play with your kids.".
>brother's nephews say "hey, let's watch the lego movie"
>that's cool I liked that movie, it was fun an-
>nephews hit play on dvd player
This. Dad's lego collection would have cost thousands of dollars. It's obviously something that could only be paid for with a white collar job. The same white collar job that keeps delicate, cherubic Finn out of public "pound my face in for having curly hair" school.
>mfw Hollywood movies are designed to pit people who agree with the premise, against people who disagree with the premise, rather than celebrate the miracle that is free expression and exchange of thoughts
At least we aren't arresting people for having the "wrong" opinions. Yet.
Fuck off, I bet you also like Kids Next Door, that show where the "heroes" fight against adult "tyranny," even though they live in their parents' houses and never pay for their own stuff.
>The guy that made Crash Bandicoot music did the Lego Movie OST
>The entire third act relies on structure as well as improvisation.
So it's almost as if the first act is thesis, the second act is antithesis and the third act is synthesis
Why are retards ITT insisting the conclusion was about one side winning rather than both coexisting?
The dad wasn't.
It was clear that the son genuinely enjoyed playing with legos so the dad probably should have bought him a lot more legos in comparison to the literally basement full he had to himself, but he was in no way wrong in wanting to enjoy his hobby the way he wanted to.
The legos construction was a hobby the fathered enjoyed in his way and the kid had no right to fuck with his shit. If the kid was taking a model boat the dad spent nine years completing and gluing pirate toys to it, nobody would say shit if the dad got upset. Just because the legos themselves are a "toy" the kid has no right to fuck with his dad's stuff.
Just because the dad's hobby is "toys" doesn't mean he has a requirement to let his kid, who clearly likes fucking with stuff, have any kind of free reign over it.
only thing worse than ninjago is bionicle.
I'd agree with you if the kid was being wantonly destructive. Smashing figs with a hammer, melting built vehicles in the microwave, or just kicking over the buildings. But the kid was just as careful and meticulous as his father was. "You expertly removed the top of the tower?"
Legos are toys, toys are meant to be played with. I'd concede if they were collectables worth hundreds of dollars. Though that might have been the case with some of it, like 80's Spaceman.
>The same white collar job that keeps delicate, cherubic Finn out of public "pound my face in for having curly hair" school.
That seems... curiously specific, anon.
A thearapist would be a good thing to see.
The phrase is from an ancient Greek play, where some humans built a city in the sky populated with birds. Zeus totally handed over control of the universe to the one dude who used birds to cut them off from prayer.
It predates English.
Either you are retarded, baiting, or both. I'm gonna say both.
>Legos are toys, toys are meant to be played with.
You don't get to decide how someone enjoys their hobby. That's like going "cars are meant to be driven why won't my dad let me drive his expensive old collector cars around whenever I feel like it". It doesn't matter if it's old G.I. Joes still in packaging or legos. Guy doesn't want the stuff he bought fucked with.
That's a stupid argument. Together it has value. Do you just base a collection of the single most expensive object there?
It's not like the dad had "a" lego set that he wouldn't let his kid touch. This was clearly a large collection with several sets that probobaly did cost a couple hundred even individually and it had years of work put into it. I mean this wasn't some minor side project that he clearly had a huge dedication for.
The kid made shit a kid would make with legos and managed to take the top of a completely square building. The kid was not the next lego Mozart that the father was keeping from going to the lego college for advanced lego building.
>and it had years of work put into it
yes, we know his father's autistic and it clearly skipped a generation with his kid, what's your point, humor a man with a brain disorder or slap some fucking sense into him
>The kid was not the next lego Mozart that the father was keeping from going to the lego college for advanced lego building.
Based on some replies ITT you'd think the father was some painstaking craftsman and not the 40something version of a minecraft sperglord
City in the Sky being a cultural reference would not surprise me.
Those birdmen were incredibly weird looking
On the topic of the movie, it should have ended with a teaser for LEGO Justice League, the movie. The father/son plot was a good idea but to awkwardly handled to salvage.
It's still just a lot of a relatively cheap thing, though. I'm pretty sure those skyscrapers and roads aren't any packaged set, he had to order cases of bricks, which cost pennies a piece.
Yes, assembling those towers would indeed be a lot of work, especially for a family man with a full time job. I was siding with the father when he was upset over his son taking the top off one. But the father was a dick about his son playing with the mini-figs.
>that guy who says "projecting" when he has no counterargument
>durr what is hyperbole
Ethnic minorities tend to get singled out. It's irresponsible to send your child to public school if you have the means to send him/her to private school. That's the only point I was trying to make.
The father is obviously some kind of corporate executive, he isn't a "sperglord." Since when does valuing order and structure mean you have a mental illness?
Since liberals, I guess.
You people clearly have never had kids. The day I let my kids mess with any of my shit is the day hell freezes over and I don't have anything on the level of a giant lego shrine bullshit.
>Oh when I'm a parent I'm going to be the best one anything of mine is the kid's why would I keep him/her away from my life
>Oh how could he be so rude as to ask his kid politely not to touch his stuff
Fuck that noise they're the enemy from day one. The enemy you raise with care and love but fuck you if you think you're touching my shit. What you don't see outside of the basement is all the inflatable pools and bikes and fucking a dozen transformer bedspreads.
You can argue if having his *all* those legos makes him a total autism-lord but he did fuck all wrong from being a parent beyond the generic movie bullshit of "oh he's so distant".
No, if you put your own feelings above your parents' wishes you're a spoiled brat. Why couldn't the kid just go play outside like a normal person? Honor thy mother and thy father. The dad did nothing wrong.
>It's still just a lot of a relatively cheap thing, though.
It's not. Collectively it's not and the only way you can look at is collectively because by the end the kid had the entire middle section of that four table setup thing hecka wrecked.
>The enemy you raise with care and love but fuck you if you think you're touching my shit.
That's a fine attitude for dealing with firearms in a house with kids.
That's not a fine attitude for LEGOs.
Yes, because the responsibility is clearly on the child to self-sacrifice and make mature decisions. Please don't reproduce, you're far too selfish to understand what you take on when you have a kid.
>Papa can I please mess with your things
>No child go play with the assortment of other things you have or you can maybe ask me for additional things of your own which you can enjoy
>But papa I really would like ever so much to mess with the stuff *you* have, it simply would not be the same if it wasn't your things I was rearranging
>Child I work a very stressful job which I go to in order to feed, clothe, bring you comfort, and pay for my excessive lego obsession
>Oh why ever are you so distant father of mine
Shut up 19th century family person you're crazy
>What you don't see outside of the basement is all the inflatable pools and bikes and fucking a dozen transformer bedspreads.
Oh God, this, so much.
The dad is a successful businessman who can obviously afford to spend thousands of dollars on pointless luxury items. Finn is just a spoiled rich kid who can't wrap his brain around the idea that not every toy belongs to him.
>If you put your hobby before your child's happiness, you're a shitty parent.
It's not like he was missing the kid's baseball games or some shit to go do legos. The kid very specifically wanted to mess with the dad's legos which, having lived with the guy his whole life, you'd think the kid would know not to touch his shit.
It wasn't toys to him. It was a legitimate hobby in the same vein as building models planes or whatever. He never told his kid "you aren't allowed to go play with things" he just didn't want him to mess with his stuff.
Even the people going "oh it's just legos" only help the argument. It's just legos to the kid, go fucking do something else.
You ever notice how, in the story, Will Ferrell knows his kid likes legos? And yet the kid still does? You know what that implies? That Ferrell is a shitty parent, because he obviously hasn't bought the kid legos of his own.
He didn't throw a tantrum; he calmly and rationally explained why Finn is not allowed to play with dad's stuff.
>the responsibility is clearly on the child to self-sacrifice and make mature decisions.
Well, yes. They have to start sometime. Believe it or not, there isn't this magical arbitrary day during your teenage years where you "grow up" and are immediately endowed with all the wisdom of adulthood. It's a gradual process, and it starts as soon as you're old enough to walk.
If you shelter kids, spoil them, and treat them like they're dumb, they'll never truly grow up (see: the average 4chan poster).
I love how so many people assume, without a shred of evidence, that 1) Finn has a ton of other toys and 2) Finn doesn't treat Legos with the same respect his father does. If anything, Finn treats the Legos with MORE respect than his dad.
You don't just get god at building legos right off the bat. Did you miss the part where it shows the massive bin he -WAS- allowed to play with? He didn't want him touching HIS stuff. The kid had his own sets, but he deliberately fucked his dad's shit even when asked not to. He could have done something as simple as maybe asking his dad for more building sets, but no, he specifically wanted the thousands of bucks worth of setups around the basement.
You make fun of my family situation know but you're going to feel the exact same way. I love my kids a bunch, but I'm not going to let them mess with my stuff. Sure my stuff isn't something they'd enjoy like legos but it's still "dad stuff" and they get "kid stuff". I certainly wouldn't want them messing with something I put effort into only for them to, fuck it up and then get bored with it. Because that's what kids do, they get bored with shit very easily.
For the sake of being fair and assuming that the clearly upper middle to lower upper class kid had no toys or things to enjoy outside of the small boxs of legos he gave him, then yes, the father really should have bought his kid a lot more legos to enjoy.
Saying "fuck off child of mine this is my shit" is way more healthier for the kid than going " sure go mess around to your hearts content you don't have to worry about my feelings".
Also people are missing the entire point of the film. It has fuck all do with legos. The kid and the dad were able to bond and the DISTANT FATHER wasn't so distant anymore now that they shared a common passion. However Will Ferrell could have just as easily spent time with his son outside of legos.
1 BOX. 1 BOX. Remind me how many his dad had again?!?
I love how you justify the idea of being a terrible parent. This may amaze you, but even parents who don't spoil their kids will put them first. It's called giving a fuck.
>without a shred of evidence, that 1) Finn has a ton of other toys
They're clearly in a good financial situation. There's no reason to assume they aren't a typical household outside of the lego basement.
On a similar note, why is it suddenly trendy in feminism to push women toward science and engineering work? To me that really seems counterintuitive.
Isn't the idea that women should be encouraged to pursue executive positions, and other leadership-type jobs? Out of the kitchen, and into the workplace? Science laboratories are basically just another kind of kitchen. It's exactly the kind of menial work that's expected of women in a non-feminist society.
You know that cliche womanly complaint of "I slaved five hours over a hot stove to make this?" Well, as a former biology major, slaving over a Bunsen burner isn't really much different.
To me it's not even about giving his son his own legos, it's about how he shut out his son and refused to engage him in their common interest.
Imagine some dad scolding his son for wanting to listen to his CD collection of dad rock. Not priceless records from the 70's, but "greatest hits" shit he got at Best Buy. Yeah, buying a sizable collection of CDs would have cost a lot, but each individual disk is easily replaceable. More importantly, the dad should have seized the opportunity to bond with his son.
>1 BOX. 1 BOX. Remind me how many his dad had again?!?
>If I have a collection of legos my kid needs a basement full of legos
>This may amaze you, but even parents who don't spoil their kids will put them first. It's called giving a fuck.
The fuck did Will Ferrell do that wasn't "putting the kid first"? Ask him to not mess with his shit and proceeds to not devote a 100% of his attention to the kid when he's in the middle of doing something? Oh yeah he's practically abandoning that child.
>Remind me how many his dad had again?!?
The dad has a job and buys his Legos, with the money he earns himself. Which is the same money that bought the kid's Legos, AND the car and the house and everything else little Richie Rich takes for granted.
I loved this movie, but it made me feel guilty that I follow instructions. I have grand aspirations of becoming a MOC hobbyist, but I need more parts first. Until then, instructions.
You missed part of the movie then. The point was that structure and innovation are both equally good things
and bonding. Nothing wrong with following the instructions if that's what you like.
Hold on. His personal stash was cloud cooko land? The boy destroyed his own ccl as part of the narrative he made up? A jealous god destroys his own domain as he covets the domain of another...
I used to be like that with my sets. Do what my friend did for me when I was a kid. Make the sets. The more, the better. Then, destroy them. It was a shark attack in my case. Then, try to rebuild all of them as a single whole. What you get will be more fun than what you started with. In my case, a pirate castle in the jungle surrounded by dinos.
Don't feel bad about that, yes you can try to be creative with them.
I tried but failed, not everyone is a "master builder" I kinda feel bad about taking apart my Time Cruiser and Twister sets trying to make something interesting, now I can't get the boat back together and have no clue how to get the Train even looking halfway decent.
I remember when I was young, my parents got me a set. It was just one space themed set. It had some weird ass pieces, but I played with it. At some point I got a bunch of new bricks from a garage sale. It was old stuff where the lego men were made of pieces that had to be assembled and most of it was farm themed. I think most of a train was in there too. I played the hell out of those bricks.
The entire theme of the movie was the struggle between collectivism and individualism, and how neither of them stand on their own. In the end, it was the destruction of the idea that they're mutually exclusive that saves the day, as everyone uses the things that makes them individuals to help work together for the betterment of society.
Finn's dad isn't wrong for wanting to build things according to instructions, he's wrong for squashing his son's attempts at expressing his individuality. Emmet is pretty much a living ideal by the end of the movie, using his abilities of structure and order to help build upon preexisting ideas and create something new i.e. the construction mech.
I think it was his dad reclaiming all the pieces the kid took from the other sets.
Funny how all the parts the dad left for the kid were the silly pink things and cartoonish superheroes. It will be interesting how they play the little sister into this in the sequel. I kinda hope they find a new theme though, just to keep it new. It would be fine by me if they didn't break the 3½th wall this time, just so it isn't a repeat.
Since we already basically know the gag, they don't really have to show us the children. It could be fun as an audience member to try to guess what the gods are up to, based on what the lego folks are doing.
If were getting into sequel territory, Id like to see the villains of the lego sets be the villains of the movie.
Would love to see the idea of the Time Twister Twins trying to go back in time and write themselves into all of Lego Worlds history.
>the ride never ends.
That's not a similar note at all.
You have aslergers or something? I know a guy who always goes "oh, on that tplopic" and then proceedes to talk aboit shit that he finds related but by everyone else could barely be considered tangential.
Dad could've been better about bonding and teaching his son the importance of respecting other peoples stuff, but otherwise was just being protective of his hobby. He and his kid are gonna work on their bonding over Legos, and hopefully the kid will come to respect the effort put into his dad's collection, and want to learn from his dad.
Just watched it with family, sister and I both in 20s. Thought it was endearing in the I wish I could be a kid again and have all that creativity and fun again.
>what is this gay bullshit
>immediately switches over to TCM to find silent movie
>way to ruin the fun of a stupid kids movie and was more appealing than most crap out there
Guess we are just to pleb for him
>why is it suddenly trendy in feminism to push women toward science and engineering work?
It's not trendy. It's recognizing the very real fact that 50% of the population is shying away from a an entire field due to several emergent factors.
The idea is that by calling attention to it and make a concentrated effort, you can counteract those emergent tendencies.
Like most any human activity, really. Want to
>That's not a similar note at all.
>You have aslergers or something? I know a guy who always goes "oh, on that tplopic" and then proceedes to talk aboit shit that he finds related but by everyone else could barely be considered tangential.
Sweet Jesus, calm down.
When I was a kid parents bought me and my sister one of those boxes that just had a ton of bricks. We would set up bases with out friends and wage wars against each other, or take them on adventures into the backyard.
Have you ever considered that the reason more women don't generally become computer programmers, is because women aren't generally interested in it?
There isn't some concerted effort keep women out of the field. It's simply that more men want to be computer programmers. Or mechanical engineers. Or research biologists, or whatever other "nerdy" job we're talking about, where your work day is spent at a desk looking at math problems.
>Since when does valuing order and structure mean you have a mental illness
when you're playing with childrens' toys well into your forties and think making high rises from instructions means fuck-all, that's when
what did I tell you about parroting talking points
>You people clearly have never had kids. The day I let my kids mess with any of my shit is the day hell freezes over and I don't have anything on the level of a giant lego shrine bullshit.
I have a child. You have the mind of one.
>I work a very stressful job which I go to in order to feed, clothe, bring you comfort, and pay for my excessive lego obsession
>Dad real men build model kits, are you this disappointing in the office too? Or should I just cut to the chase and ask mom the obvious question
> I'm right according to baseless assumptions, things not in the script, and I might not have seen the movie
You are now indistinguishable from tumblristas howling for Rick Remender's firing. Self-righteous, unable to stand on anything other than emotional reaction, and generally an embarrassment to forming a cohesive argument.
You are internet feminism wrapped in a different label.
>but I'm not going to let them mess with my stuff.
god damn it did you even watch toy story 2
when i was 8 my father made me justify buying me an action figure
it cost something like $6.97 and I played with it for YEARS
Later I found it in my shit and gave it to my daughter who promptly had it sit for tea with her bears and didn't give a damn who or what he was, because now he was something in her imagination
toys are to be played with you stubborn piece of shit, not some magical retainer of your childhood or valuable good
>The fuck did Will Ferrell do that wasn't "putting the kid first"?
Spend god knows how many hours building stupid shit when he should have spent it with his family?
Really that's what this is about
it's not he can't build what he wants it's he should build with his goddamn kids
>yes, but my dad's a boxing instructor sooo
bond with him by showing the third act and saying "did you ever imagine having a real job instead of being a dance instructor, dad"
"what was it like when you threw your first fight"
"when are you going to stop hitting mom"
>They're made to be put together and taken apart thousands of times.
Every time I ever turned my back on my older brother when I was a kid, he would destroy my lego city. I'd be like dude, why are you destroying my lego city. He'd say, they're legos, they are meant to be put together and taken apart thousands of times.
Is it wrong to think that taking them apart should rest in the hands of the person who built the damn thing. If I build a nice city, I'll take it apart when I'm bored with it and make something else, I'd rather it not be destroyed until that time.
Ending ruined the entire movie for me, and half the reason was because of that stupid ass kid messing with his dad's stuff (despite having a whole heap of his own lego to play with) and then the movie acting like the dad was in the wrong.
>How it should have ended:
No real life bullshit at the end