Evangelion Thread #59

>>3003293
>I always assumed Third Impact always takes place on New Years Eve

Me too, but Mangaworu arrived a week after Christmas Eve if I'm not mistaken, so he dies in the same day like Animeworu. He just had seven days more to fuck up his relationship with Shinji.

>>3003309
Do you mean a week before?

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What would happen if Shinji knows the three Kaworus (anime, manga and Q) at the same time, in the same world and universe?

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>>3003309
Exactly.

>>3003312
You mean like if Rebuild Shinji suddenly remembered his memories with Anime and Manga Kaworu?
He'd probably lose his shit.

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>>3003314
More like Shinji is living a normal life, until the Kawotrio meet him and each one tries to gain the Shinjidick in their own ways.

>>3003321
That's some harem shit I could get behind

>>3002699

I'm probably the only one that wishes it was more sexual. There would definitely be less deniers if it had been.

Meh I'm probably just bitter at the series for being so biased on lewdness and now that it's more socially acceptable to be full out homo in anime, the staff has suddenly become prudes

>>3003321
Sounds like a good idea for another Eva manga spinoff. Except this time it would actually make money and not get cancelled in the first four volumes.

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>>3003323
Anime was way more homo in the 90s. Like, legit homo.
See CCS, Sailor Moon and YYH for example.

>>3003323
They're only prudes for the gay

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>>3003405
Not really considering they made 3.0, and the naked Kaworu and Kaji kiss scene from the previous two Rebuilds.

Meanwhile the girl fanservice got toned down significantly.

>>3003411
I'm still mad they haven't exploited Shinji in that dress

>>3003323
How could it have been more sexual than it already was?

You do realize Eva still had a large portion of watchers that were children, right?

I'm still amazed that they went as far and blatant as they did in episode 24, it was risque and ballsy as fuck.

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>>3003412
I'm still mad that this crossplaying scene wasn't included in Rebuild.

>>3003413
The only thing ballsy was that it was two guys portrayed in a slightly more than friendly manner in a cartoon made in a passive aggressively homophobic country.

How is it more risqué than a blatant Misato and Kaji sex scene, or Shinji ogling a sleeping Asuka's tits or him accidently fondling a naked Rei? And most of that stuff was in the beginning episodes so I don't see how they were ever worried about the child audience. There's nothing ballsy about two guys in a public bath in nipland.

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>>3003415
Didn't we just have this conversation last thread or two thread ago?

Shinji blushing at Kaworu is not slightly more than friendly, Shinji and Kaworu stating they love eachother is not slightly more than friendly. It's blatantly romantic, and as Anno puts it: homoerotic.
As you claim yourself, Japan is homophobic, so this makes it all the more ballsy.

>blatant Misato and Kaji sex scene, or Shinji ogling a sleeping Asuka's tits or him accidently fondling a naked Rei
Because all of that shit is extremely commonplace in Anime, even Anime aimed at children.
Homoerotic relationships and homosexual overtones, (not to be confused with undertones and subtext) is not so commonplace, despite there being a few cases of it in the 90s rather than little to no cases of it now.
That's why it's ballsy.

Japan is not America or some other western country. Their culture is completely different, as are the things that they consider ballsy.

The only example I can think of is the American cartoon for kids, Adventure Time, having some sort of gay thing that a bunch of parents threw a riot over, even though they'll say nothing about some more objectively worse stuff.

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http://g.e-hentai.org/g/886227/14e116e57c/

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>>3003424
>even Anime aimed at children.

I think you mean "anime aimed at middle schoolers" because nothing like that is in children's anime. Anime aimed at kids is more moralistic and wholesome and because of that more normalfag. Famous old examples are Doraemon and Chibi Maruko-chan.

>>3003461
Middle schoolers are children.
Elementary schoolers, much like the ones in this video, are also children:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh0qbJAQhgk

They've all seen Eva.

And even in stuff like Doraemon and even Pokemon there's been stuff considered 'risque' that was cut out for the American audience. Culture different, and whatnot.

>>3003454
:D

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>>3003496
>:D

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>>3003322
It could be much better than SIRP shit or any GoS

>>3003492
>they've all seen Eva

No they haven't. That video is from a documentary series where "famous" people from all areas (musicians, directors, writers, etc) visit an elementary school in their hometown and give a lesson on what they do. In every episode you can tell most of the kids don't really care at all and treat it like a special extra project because that's what it is.

If they had all seen Eva you'd think they would show some kind of interest in him and would ask better questions than saying he looks like "that robot."

There's a huge difference between a male character grabbing his own obviously prosthetic tits for the lols and a character falling on top of a naked girl and grabbing hers when it comes to risqué. Even if the age gap isn't that far apart elementary kids and middle schoolers don't watch the same stuff. Western equivalent would be shows on Cartoon Network vs shows on MTV. Both have suggestive things but the way they're presented and the intention is totally different.

We can agree to disagree on some things but I really don't understand how anyone could rationalize a full blown sex scene as something acceptable in cartoons for children in Japan. That shit is rare even in dramas made for adults.

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Reminder that Kaworu already met Shinji at Tokyo-3...

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>>3003522
...Shinji waited for him after Syncro tests...

>>3003522
In Japan time they'd be "sleeping" in his room

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>>3003523
...They took a bath together...

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>>3003526
>>3003535

...And yes, they fucked during all night because Kaworu wants to bear Shinji's children.

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>>3003536
Reminder that Misato is stalking Kaworu at this time in Tokyo-3.

>>3003545
I always wondered, where was Shinji this morning?
Was he still sleeping in Kaworu's room? Looking for him?
We'll never know.

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>>3003547
Probably looking for a cello to play with Kaworu, or maybe Kaworu died during the morning or around noon, and Shinji stayed at the lakeside during hours.

>>3003550
It was definitely at least during noon or evening.
Shinji was probably crying at the lake for some time before Misato found him. We can still see tears in his eyes.

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>>3003556
If I can remember well, in NGE2 Kaworu's death was over the noon. It's the only clue that I have about at what time he died.

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Eva horoscope http://fortune.yahoo.co.jp/evangelion/

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Reminder that Kaworu is invading Central Dogma at this time.

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>>3003646
Fuck.

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>>3003646
...And died for Lilin's sake, proving that the "love" can truly save.

RIP Kaworu (2000-2015)

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>>3003649
It feels so bad, anon. Worst than I could imagine.

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>>3003650
>>3003658
The day Gainax ruined Christmas.

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>>3003659
Shinji is so sad for Kaworu's death that he lost his whole mouth.

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>First night without Kaworu

Why live?

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>>3003742
Wait until tomorrow morning before you try to drown yourself like Shinji did.

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>>3003744
That's until december 31th

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Let's make an image dumping of Animeworu and Mangaworu only to conmemorate their deaths.

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>>3003767
We just had one last thread

>>3003745
If Kaworu died on the 25th, and EoE takes place the next day, then how can it be the 31st?

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>>3003773
It happened one week later, or that's what the manga says. And it's rumoured that Maya's laptop had that date during EoE

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>>3003772
That was a random image dumping, this is the important one

>>3003775
But EoE is supposed to cover the same timespan as episodes 25-26, and in the beginning of episode 25 it's stated to be near right after Kaworu's death.
And then in EoE, the first scene is Shinji at the beachshore where he was in the last scene of episode 24.
I don't see how it could be more than a day after, the Manga may be a different timeline; there were less angels after all.

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>>3003785
>it's stated to be near right after Kaworu's death

Maya's laptop date marks december 31th as the final day, or that's at least what I can found at Evageeks (yes, we already know they are a bunch of fags, but at least they did its job).

>>3003454
Thanks!

>>3003424
So basically you're just settling

>>3004160
This picture reminds me, why didn't Shinji's hair grow out during those 14 years?
I recall Asuka and Mari's hair being a bit longer, and I guess Kaworu got a haircut, but Shinji still looks the same.

>https://twitter.com/BAR_NERV_NAGOYA/status/677426824771571712

That unofficial Eva bar has a new two Longinus drink. The description seems kinda sweet.

>1人なら無理な事でも2人なら出来る
>今日は碇シンジ(リリン)と渚カヲル(使徒)の2人の間にある友情や思慕。使徒と戦うエヴァの世界を否定するかの様な関係性に尊さを感じているスタッフひかりが愛を込めて作りました。是非飲みに来て下さい。
Shitty translation from Google

>Something impossible if done alone is possible with two.

>Friendship and the yearning that lies between the two of Shinji Ikari today ( Li Lin ) and Nagisa Kaworu (Angel ) . Staff feels the preciousness of whether of such relationships to deny the world of Eva to fight Apostle light was made with love . Please come for a drink by all means .

If Kaworu is supposed to be the one Shinji loves, why is he never in any of Shinji's ideal worlds?

>>3004267
What ideal worlds?
If you're talking about the AU from episode 26, it was a world where Adam-based angels didn't exist. i.e., Kaworu. Regardless, It's never stated to be Shinji's ideal world, just a possible reality.

>>3004302
But it doesn't even make sense as a possible reality since Rei exists even though Yui is alive. Doesn't it ultimately show that Shinji would be happiest in a world that's literally a harem series and also consequently one without Kaworu?

Maybe I've accidently drunken the westernfag kool-aid but they seem to treat Kaworu like he's some temporary gay phase out of desperation and that Shinji is supposed to grow up past that and end up with a girl.

Even that Sadamoto quote everyone loves about Shinji not being into girls was more like "he's not into girls at the moment and wants the approval of boys at that age" when put into context.

I don't know. Probably the whole "Asuka and Rei curing him" plot in SIRP and the gag manga and all side material not to mention practically every japanese series having the gay characters being magically "fixed" has made me weary. I'm just expecting that to happen because it's supposedly a lesson on "moving past unrealistic ideals in a partner" according to a thousand fan essays

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>>3004267
>>3004430
First, episodes '25 and '26 were just a "plot device" because Gainax went out of money, what would had really happened is already in EoE. The 25-26 are excluding angels because Human Instrumentalization doesn't include angels, that's why Kaworu isn't there at the end of the TV show.
And remember: Kaworu came a way long after the beginning of school year, so maybe eventually he'd be there (but he didn't got animated).

And second: Shinji's "idealized" world is just as sad as any other Bandai AU's, because neither of them are being genuine with their personalities and feelings, and they're practically stuck in a childish state. A world without that type of love that only Kaworu can give him and where you can't even accept yourself as who you are isn't worthy of living.

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>>3004430
Oh, I forgot: don't delude yourself with SIRP manga, is a shit like GoS or Puchi Eva's game. Play it instead, all the "happy endings" are delusions but the truly "main route" is Kaworu in the end. An autistic world, but a genuine one for that alternative universe.

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>>3004430
>Doesn't it ultimately show that Shinji would be happiest in a world that's literally a harem series
No, because that world was never portrayed as ideal and was just shown to be one of the many possible worlds that could happen, it was used as an example that Shinji should not feel so bad about the reality he is currently living in.

>they seem to treat Kaworu like he's some temporary gay phase out of desperation
Then I guess Kaji was also a temporary phase for Misato, seeing as both those characters are given the exact same treatment.

Furthermore, Anno said that Kaworu was meant to be Shinji's ideal self from his very character conception, the very entity of what Shinji considers ideal, so your whole point becomes invalidated.

>all side material
Side material is just side material. You'll find that Shinji, Asuka, and Rei act so radically different in those spinoffs you could hardly call them the same characters except in appearance.
The people who write/author these spinoffs aren't the same people who worked on the show.
The spinoffs that were made by people who worked on the show, for example NGE2, still have Kaworu remain his role from the canon.
There's no 'fixing' or 'moving on', because as EoE shows, Kaworu is forever sealed in Shinji's heart as the representation of love. He is love itself in entity, and part of the reason Shinji comes to the conclusion he does, along with Yui and Rei's words.

There's no implication of anything in your post except in the wishful thinking and delusions of some shippers; but most of them have been utterly BTFO by this point as their ships haven't been pandered to in years.

>>3004559
>M: These new swimsuits feel so good!
>M: Yours suits you too, Princess
>A: They're matching swimsuits.
>K: My swimsuit matches, too.
>A: How? They're just plain shorts.
>K: ..When paired with Shinji-kun, of course.
>A: Why the hell are you blushing!?

>>3004570
With the last sound effect being a pun of "pair~ <3"

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>>3004559
Fucking Puchiworu, he's a cute.

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>>3004653
Do they still make the 4komas?

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>>3004430
>Harem
Was just thrown around as an example of what could be, never said to be what he wished.

Actually though, seeing as how Kaworu was the one he wished to see for instumentality, spear sex, and that we got girl shinji right after the what Yui's 'what you wish' stuff, it looks like he'd rather a reverse harem.

One with a bunch of kaworu treating him like their princess.

>>3004654
Don't think so which is a shame since it's the only liscensed series with a competent artist who also doesn't seem too afraid of the gay. The hideous animated series can be forgotten.

>>3004655
>image
The only good thing about Eva's sameface is that it makes it easy to edit everyone into a Shinji

>>3003424
>blushing is not slightly more than friendly
>when Shinji does it every episode
It's honestly nothing compared to him popping boners for Misato fondling Asuka in the hotspring. They made it all chaste because they want to pander to girls into shoujo or bl tropes which works.

>>3004430
Kinda why I don't like how 3.33 portrayed them. Like Shinji can only have fun with him when he has no one else. He needs to be isolated and mentally screwed before Kaworu comes in, helps him, and then dies to traumatize him. People usually use that desperation against them and the film didn't help any.

In the manga Kaworu's not allowed back in the "normal world" and gets only a confession after he dies(again). Shinji doesn't even remember him in the new world to say his death had the meaning he wanted it to have nor does he appear in instrumentality beyond a recycled panel.

Would not be surprised for Rebuild to do it too.

>>3004441
>and they're practically stuck in a childish state
You realize they are 14-15, right?

>A world without that type of love that only Kaworu can give him
Shinji has the unconditional love from his family there. He has no need for Kaworu anymore.

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>>3004726
>In the manga Kaworu's not allowed back in the "normal world" and gets only a confession after he dies(again).

The manga Shinji died and died in a rather miserable state so the world could be recreated again.

He didn't forget him. It's just that that blue eyed Shinji from the cover was his reincarnation at most.

It's a different character.

For what it's worth, if you go by Sadamoto's art, Karl probably got a second chance too.

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>>3004725
And still he saw Kaworu in EoE.

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>>3004726
>You realize they are 14-15, right?
Yes, and how much teenagers you know that does't get fixated in another person in a romantic way?

>Shinji has the unconditional love from his family there. He has no need for Kaworu anymore
And even that's not enough, because that "AU" seems so delusional and strange; he's happy with a family and friends, but it's clear that he lacks of "something" to complete the picture; it's like watching a 10 years old Shinji who never grows up, and that's very wrong, and it's not because the waifupandering, but in real life people needs to realize that you can't be stuck in a childish age forever, and soon or later you'll notice people and wanting to be with someone.

Kaworu is the "love" for him, so he completes Shinji's "circle of love" (family, friends, lover). He's as necessary as Yui, Rei or Misato for him. That's why the "AU" is only a possibility between a lof of them, but not the "dreamland" of Shinji.

>>3004725
It actually is, because unlike those moments which were portrayed as light-hearted and comic relief, this was actually portrayed seriously.

And based on the numerous interviews surrounding the episode, their intention wasn't to pander. In fact, it would make no sense to pander this late in the game.

>>3004726
Kaworu was originally going to appear when everyone (like Asuka and Rei) were still alive and healthy, and Shinji still falls in love with him and clings to him.
Just because the staff decided to make Asuka comatose and have Rei die, there's no correlation to that with their relationship.
Rebuild follows that similar formula, because in case you haven't noticed, Rebuild is not all that different from NGE in regards to what happens to Shinji. It follows the exact same bare bones plotline, only in a different scenario.

It seems to me you're just reaching for ways to invalidate their relationship.

>>3004747
>unlike those moments which were portrayed as light-hearted and comic relief, this was actually portrayed seriously.

But those comic relief moments did become serious in eoe. Or did you forgot the large segment of him being upset as Asuka for teasing him the entire series? He obviously wanted her with him much he was fixated on their kiss and up to the end on the beach he's fixated on her tits. They literally throw that in our faces.

>>3004743
I don't know why you like eoe so much since it pretty much tosses out his sorrow over Kaworu and makes all of instrumentality only about his supposed issues with women. Nothing about his father's abandonment or any remorse over killing the supposed love of his life.

>>3004747
>Kaworu was originally going to appear when everyone (like Asuka and Rei) were still alive and healthy, and Shinji still falls in love with him and clings to him.

Using rejected drafts means nothing as proof. In every canon universe Kaworu only shows up when Shinji is desperate and we see similar desperation with the kitchen scene in eoe

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>>3004750
>But those comic relief moments did become serious in eoe
Shinji's sexual attraction to the girls and using them as objects is focused on in exactly one scene in EoE. They never reference the boner scene, so it still is a comic relief moment.

>being upset as Asuka for teasing him the entire series
You mean for 5 episodes?
And hormonal sexual attraction is just that. Asuka calls him out on it and he feels like shit afterwards.
What's thrown in our faces is that he's just trying to use her, as everything in the kitchen scene highlights him being desperate and not being genuine.

>to the end on the beach he's fixated on her tits
I think you need to watch the movie again, because that never happens.

>it pretty much tosses out his sorrow over Kaworu
He spends half of the movie moping around BECAUSE of his sorrow over Kaworu.
You seriously need to watch the movie again.

>makes all of instrumentality only about his supposed issues with women
Not all of it, a great portion is dedicated to Shinji's problems in running away from reality too. And even so, what's wrong with that?
He has no issues with Kaworu, and Kaworu isn't a lilin so he can only watch from the sidelines anyway. We see him where we're supposed to see him, which is at the beginning (bringing him into instrumentality as his most loved one) and at the end (being the representation of love in his heart).
Kaworu needs no greater role or screentime than that, Instrumentality is the time for the main characters to fix their issues, therefore Shinji, Misato, Rei, and Asuka take the deserved focus.

>Nothing about his father's abandonment
I agree on this actually, EoE is not without its flaws, and the complete discard for Shinji's problems with his father is completely taken out of the movie.
It also makes Gendo out to be completely shallow, as his entire character is resolved with one line before he's 'eaten' by Yui.
[cont]

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>>3004750
[cont]

I talked about this a bit a couple threads ago, but EoE was made two years after the airing of the show, only because of the response of the fans demanding a new ending.
Therefore, a lot of drama was heightened, and even retconned into being there when it originally had not even the strongest presence in the show (Shinji getting angry at the three girls for teasing him, when there's hardly any evidence of this whatsoever in the show, especially towards Misato and Rei), and the characters become more exaggerated versions of themselves; some being completely disregarded, like Gendo.

It's a flaw of EoE, as it's not exactly consistent as an ending to Eva, but at the same time it's necessary to make an interesting movie.
I'm overall satisfied with it, even though it's not perfect and has its flaws.
Of course, you're free to feel differently.

>>3004752
It does, since that is the concept of Kaworu that Anno originally wanted and desired.
If there was intent to present Kaworu as a character Shinji would 'get over', or be a representation of unhealthy love or desperation, or whatever, then wouldn't that show in the drafts?
Wouldn't that be implied in what Anno and the other staff members say about Kaworu?
But it's not, because Kaworu as a character never had such intent. It is all fabricated by fans that are too butthurt to accept Shinji fell in love with a guy.

The drafts are good evidence, and even the proposal where Kaworu was supposed to show up among the class in episode 16.

>Kaworu only shows up when Shinji is desperate
Shinji is always desperate, but clearly not desperate enough to accept Misato's affection in the previous episode, but more than happy to accept Kaworu's the following day. He has standards.
There's something about Kaworu that Shinji can't get from the others, and no desperation as Shinji clearly can't forget about Kaworu, and holds him in a regard that the other characters did not reach, as shown by the tanging scene in EoE.

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>>3004752
Also, another thing:
>In every canon universe
You mean the Anime and Rebuild?
Despite that Kaworu was supposed to show up when everyone was fine, it was decided Asuka and Rei would befall tragic events and Shinji's friends would move away, and so the darfts were reformatted accordingly into the episode 24 we see today. Not because of any message that Shinji is desperate.

As for Rebuild, I say here:
>Rebuild is not all that different from NGE in regards to what happens to Shinji. It follows the exact same bare bones plotline, only in a different scenario.
So Kaworu will show up in Shinji's time in need just like in the Anime.

If you're going to regard the Manga as canon, Kaworu doesn't show up when Shinji is desperate, he actually shows up when everyone is still (sort of) fine.
But the Kaworu there acts radically different, and so is his relationship with Shinji.
Shinji still falls in love with him, though.

Noticing a pattern here?
Kaworu's main point as a character is to show Shinji love. The scenario or setting he does it in doesn't matter, as long as he's able to convey that Shinji is a being worthy of love, and Shinji loves him back, then he's fulfilled his main purpose as a character.
There is no getting over or desperation for that, and it's so radically different from Shinji's various relationships with the other characters that you can't even compare them.

You can try to reach and come up with theories to invalidate this, but the canon show and the staff's own words will prove you wrong everytime.
You can believe what you want, but you're gonna have a hard time making your argument with any of us when we can get a completely different impression by just watching the show.

>>3004755
>to the end on the beach he's fixated on her tits
>I think you need to watch the movie again, because that never happens.

I think they're referring to when he sees quantum rei, it's framed by her highly defined tits, even though it makes little sense perspective wise

>>3004771
He's clearly looking at Rei in that scene, despite Asuka's tits being in the frame.
Not that it's her fault she's the most sexualized character in the entire series.

>>3004779 #
I found that part rather trashy to be honest. It doesn't contribute to the narrative and was obvious last minute pandering.

>>3004783
You have to remember that at the end of the day the people who made Eva are still Otaku themselves.

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>I decided not to do the kiss scene that was present in the anime as part of the storyline where Asuka and Shinji have to come together in unison in order to defeat the angel. From a boy's point of view, the first kiss is an enchanting incident. But if you start to think about what a kiss is, isn't it the first incident where you connect physically with the one you love? But to me it is more real that before that psychological connection comes first.
>-Sadamoto

>cuts out Asuka and Shinji's kiss
>makes Kaworu Shinji's first kiss
What did he mean by this?

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>>3004757
>>3004752
>desperate
But uh...
> Shinji: Will I understand that sort of thing better once I've fallen in love?
>Kaworu stands in the heat haze.He sparkles against the light of the setting sun, his hair the color of honey.Shinji is unconsciously bewitched by his divine beauty.Shinji meets Kaworu's gaze. His heart pounds.
Even in worlds where he was better off, he always gets smitten by him.

Everyone else was fine in the drafts and Draft!Shinji falls head over heel's at first site. Gets turned into a weepy moebloob cause Kaworu won't love him back.

Manga does the same piano stuff from the drafts and has him instantly be attracted.

And never mind Anima where Eve-Shinji certainly isn't broken.

They all right down to Sadamoto made it clear that Kaworu is Shinji's type.

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>>3004785
>>3004785
>>cuts out Asuka and Shinji's kiss
>>makes Kaworu Shinji's first kiss
>What did he mean by this?
Kissing is an obvious sword in the stone like test among the FAR. Shinji the Once & Future Waifu for Kaworu.

>>3004784
This is probably too general a question for just this thread, but why do otaku always sexualize the young teenage girl characters more than adult female characters? Like in the case of Eva, Misato is pretty much the only one who purposefully flaunts her sexuality and that it's an important part of her character yet she doesn't get the same creeps shots or abundant nudity Asuka and Rei do. It feels like this goes beyond the mindset of "our audience age averages at teenagers."

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>>3004789
Probably related to Japan's obsession with youth and innocence.
I didn't mind it too much when I watched Eva, because it's Anime after all and I'm used to it, but it definitely made it hard to take Asuka and Rei seriously as characters, at least, nowhere near to the same extent I took Misato.

>>3004789
>why do otaku always sexualize the young teenage girl characters more than adult female characters?
Any character older than 16 is "too old" by otaku standards and Misato being a sexually active human isn't considered a good thing and would be a massive turn off for those same otaku.

>>3004791
>youth and innocence.
No one does that better than Karl though, Shinji comes a close second.

>>3004793
Give him tits and he had the sassy personality of the sporty no nonsense girl archetype

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>>3004795
Too ignorant over human values and his own nature to be a no nonsence 'girl' if he took pills.

Even if poking holes in Shinji's facade is his specialty.

A girl Shinji would basically be the dyke from When Marnie was There

>>3004800
A cute dyke at least.

I wonder how the fujoshi reacted to the plot twist in that movie? I remember them comparing Kaworu to Marnie when the trailer first came out.

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>>3004800
>A girl Shinji would basically be the dyke
Wouldn't need to turn him into a girl to have him play the part when he already looks it. He's already got a girl's face and slender body, so toothpick aside that's everything.

He's pretty girly as is, so you think he'd be more feminine than that had he been born a girl.
>>>3004801

>Shinji all but hallucinates Kaworu while passing out like in the drafts and manga

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>>3004801
Marnie didn't strike me very Kaworu-like, but the dyke MC girl seemed like an almost blatant Shinji clone to me.

Nonetheless seeing Ghibli finally do homo was interesting to say the least.

>>3004827
>Nonetheless seeing Ghibli finally do homo was interesting to say the least.

It was great in how blatant it was to the point where it also made me disappointed at how wimpy the gay is with kawoshin now. But in the end I just felt completely unsure about how I should actually feel about the homo once I knew who Marnie was. Well played, Ghibli. Well played.

(Though it's my own fault for never having read the book)

>>3004828
>TFW double standards mean that if Shinji and Kaworu were girls Gainax wouldn't be cowards about making it overt
Liking Kawoshin is suffering

>>3004828
It was just one-sided from dyke MC's side though, Marnie didn't seem gay at all.

>how wimpy the gay is with kawoshin
Literally how?
3.0 was way gayer than that movie was, both featured blushing MC when getting feeled up by mysterious person of the same gender, but at least 3.0 didn't have Kaworu go marry some girl in the end.
How the hell could you think Marnie was more blatant?

>>3004803
it makes it even worse when you remember that sadamoto jokingly (or seriously) said that shinji is just nadia's body and face but as a male with shorter hair

>>3004832
It was easily mistakable as mutual in the beginning because Anna was pretty much the fill in for her grandfather in the first half.

>How the hell could you think Marnie was more blatant?

Regardless of it being bait and switch in Marnie, the attraction was more blatant from the MC perspective. Anna blushes around her more more often, is constantly searching her out to be with her, is always drawing her, gets jealous when Marnie mentions the guy. The movie poster also literally says "I love you."

>both featured blushing MC when getting feeled up by mysterious person of the same gender

But Shinji wasn't blushing there. He just looked uncomfortable.

>>3004827
>>3004828
I was excited for what looked from afar like a Ghibli yuri story, but I was spoiled about Marnie's identity. With that in mind, is the movie worth watching anyway, or will I be butthurt that I was rused? Is there anything, even one-sided?

>>3004867
Hard to say since I kept myself pure so when I saw it it was definitely a wild rollercoaster of emotions. I think the MC is gay and so did all my normie friends who also saw it but you'll find a lot of people argue online that it was just supposed to be a romantic friendship. I'd still see it anyway knowing this though since Anna's depression is probably the most realistic I've seen in anime.

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>>3004833
Also looks like Makoto from Sadamoto's girl who leapt through time, especially his reincarnation in the manga where they're all in high school. Funny too cause Chiang just looks like an older Karl.

Yeah, he's oddly girly for a boy lead, Sadamoto even threw in a joke where Kensuke looks for Shinji boobs in that last chapter.
>>3004844
>blushes fiercely in ep24 and when Kaji kissed
>blushes and gushes over Kaworu in their alone time for Q
>blatantly turned on and sexual tension for manga
Yea, it's pretty gay.

>>3004904
>Chiang
Chiaki

Makoto is a blatant Shinji clone though, Sadamoto didn't do anything but lengthen the hair and throw on a skirt.

>>3004844
>mutual
Not at all, Marnie didn't seemed totally normal. Anna was the only one acting gay, and I'm pretty sure she was gay.

>the attraction was more blatant from the MC perspective
I don't think so. Shinji blushed plenty of times, and his scenes with Kaworu seemed much more romantic in nature. Especially the gay montage of rainbows in the piano scene.
Of course this is just going off of 3.0, if we were to compare it with episode 24 it wouldn't even be a contest, NGE would outbeat it by miles.

>He just looked uncomfortable
I wasn't talking about the first piano scene specifically, but yeah, Shinji was a little uncomfortable but more surprised.
It makes sense since this is a total stranger to him, but soon after they finish the duet he smiles and then blushes once Kaworu tells him his name. The uncomfortableness quickly passes once they achieve familiarity, all within the same two hours that they first meet face to face.

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>>3004867
It's just a good movie overall, regardless of the yuri undertones, but a bit slow in the beginning.

I think MC was without a doubt gay for Marnie, but it's never hinted to be the other way around.

You should watch it, you'll definitely be reminded of Shinji at least.

>>3004938
Benefit of the doubt is that Anna is gay. I was glad they didn't force in a male character for her to eventually hook up with once she reconciles her issues. The way she was around Marnie was way too romantic to be just friendship. Not that I ever bothered looking but I can imagine people argued the same things they do with Shinji about it only being because s/he's desperate etc and that there's nothing gay about it.

I would also recommend it since besides the gay undertones it's already unconventional for an anime, let alone a Ghibli movie. It's probably the first time I've seen an anime that actually gave a reason for a japanese character to have blue eyes and actually point it out. It's nicely grounded in reality with how people interact and things that would be treated as simply comedic relief in any other anime actually have consequences.

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Reminder that Shinji is having spear sex with Kaworu, and probably he entered into Tang's sea.

>>3004941
Is it technically Kaworu's fault that instrumentality was actually fulfilled? Shinji deciding to be tanged by him is what iniated everyone else. Or would it have been eventually been automatic tanging like in the manga?

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>>3004898
>>3004938
Thanks for the advice, anons. Maybe I'll watch it tonight.

>>3004964
By that point Instrumentality had already started, so Shinji would have been forcibly dragged in whether he liked it or not, like in the case of Aoba.
Kaworu being there just made Shinji's descent a lot less painless.

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>>3004941
>you will never get brought into tang by Kaworu's hot spear dickings

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>>3004941
Reminder that Misato notwithstanding, the only sex in all of Eva was Robot-Girl-Shinji and Giant Naked Kaworu.

Reminder that spear on core sex was so mind blowing that it tanged the world.
>>3004964
Wasn't he playing the same role as the other guides everyone else saw?

Pretty sure Shinji being dragged in in bliss beats paniced shinji being dragged in kicking and screaming.

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>>3004987
>tfw you will never get chocked by Shinji
Why live?

>>3005007
Being tanged counts as having sex?

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>>3004941
Speaking of ayy spear sex, Rebuild's new lore me wonder what role Cassius plays into this now.

Are they going to stab each other's cores with the spears? Will the spear combine? Is Longinus still Adam's spear? Is Cassius really Lilith's Spear or is it Eve's/Shinji's?

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>>3005010
>Being tanged counts as having sex?
Scripts explicitly say penetration "brings shinji to ecstasy". The groundwork of Eva also makes the core look explicitly like fem anatomy during that scene.

And then just keep in mind that Shinji fuses with his Eva and...

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>>3005027
..and Fuyutsuki says the Eva 01 is now in possession of the fruit of life held by the angels, right after Kaworu inserts the core.

He was literally fucking Yui in this scene, and thereby fucking Shinji thanks to his astronomically high sync rate.

>>3005029
And for what uts worth, in anima, the Eva is his real body.

>>3005029
Tfw the day Kaworu got Shinji got pregnant

>>3004833
>>3004938
>>3004827
>Shinji basically Haruhi from Ouran, but with a peen

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>>3004191
He was tang for 14 years

>>3005293
>Shiki turned on by Shinji's underdeveloped nads
?

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>>3005306
Isn't she a lesbo? Makes sense she'd be into his feminine penis.

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>>3005322
Wouldn't she just castrate his midget, 'girly' nads then?

>>3003314
>>3003321
Lady you need to understand there's an age gap here and give up on the harassment.

>>3005380
I fucking love this artist

>>3005390
Doesn't look anything like a Boy anymore

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>>3005430
True to the source material, then.

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So which one of you fuckers are going to scan this

>>3005472
>lost the original files so redrew the entire thing

Oh Cassino

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>>3005390
Bet you just say that cause she draws him with booblets and a feminine penis

>>3005380
I need her blog or Twitter. Source?

>>3005674
It was given one or two threads back, check the archive

>>3005540
>feminine penis

Why did they change Kaworu's orange shirt to purple in 3.0?
Why did they give him a new hairstyle?
Is this the same Kaworu as the one from 1.0 and 2.0?

>>3005684
Blame >>3005322 for the meme

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>>3005713
There are theories that it's a different Kaworu from another timeloop or maybe a different cloned body.

As for the purple shirt, I think it's a reference to his soul being trapped in Eva 13. Yui also wore a purple shirt in NGE, before her soul was transferred over to unit 01.

There is also a lot of red, blue and purple color symbolism throughout the Rebuild movies, and they represent certain elements and characters. Purple being the combination of red and blue, representing balance.

>>3005842
I noticed in the trailer at the end of 2.0 Rei had purple eyes, I wonder if that is also a reference to Yui.

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>>3005713
>Is this the same Kaworu as the one from 1.0 and 2.0
Maybe not.
Not only are the shirt colors different, but look at the bangs, NGE Kaworu and 1.0+2.0 Kaworu have their middle bang going to the left, and Qworu has his bang going to the right.

Though I guess you could argue it's just a coincidence/preference of the animators.
Still a cool detail, nonetheless.

>>3005988
It's hilarious how not out of place boobs look

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There are over a dozen new Kawoshin doujins on sadpanda right now.

And none of them have been translated.

This is criminal.

>>3006105
Kawoshin ain't trendy anymore. Even in moonland they got one of the lowest ratings on best gay ships.

>>3006105
Didn't someone translate some Kawoshin doujinshi last week? Give them time.

>>3006107
We haven't gotten new content in over 3 years, obviously people will move on to other things.
I remember reading that the new Free movie flopped because fujos got bored of it.

>>3006105
Twitter sauce, anon?

>>3006105
Can I ask what some of the doujin are anon? They might be ones that have already been posted or translated elsewhere

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Noketter locked one of her doujinshi.

>https://pictbland.net/items/detail/114153

Not exactly unusual for her but she seems to have left a hint for the password. Can anyone translate?

>パスワードは半角で53です。

>>3006109
>I remember reading that the new Free movie flopped because fujos got bored of it.
It was mostly because there were new characters instead of the popular old ones.

>>3006130
The password is just 53.

>>3006107
Can't say I can blame them when it's taking over 4 fucking years to get Final out.

>>3006109
>I remember reading that the new Free movie flopped because fujos got bored of it.

Also why are so many fujos so fucking fickle? This accounts for both eastern and western fujos, by the way. They follow the trends for popularity and money?

>>3006107
>Even in moonland they got one of the lowest ratings on best gay ships
Sauce on this?

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>>3006145
Flavor of the month shit, I'm assuming.

Though for doujinshi artists it makes sense. Might as well make shit for the fandom everyone is talking about rather than your less popular favorites if you're looking to make a profit.

>>3006148
Best waifu

>>3006146
Can't remember exactly. I'm thinking it was either retweeted by 53liebe or yugekiriko a few weeks ago. Assuming the former cause she's the only one that seems to ever voice disappointment

What is Kaworu saying to Shinji starting at 9:33?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JQg1JOxiWc

>>3006146
Not the poll but a good way to see what's in with nip fujo is to see what's the most recent popular searches on the BL Simulator. (click the 最近人気の名前).

>http://inkei.net/anus/a/

Not surprisingly most of the pairings are Osomatsu-san related right now.

Though kawoshin was popular enough on there that it's been programmed to use real quotes of theirs as dirty talk and to refer to each others dicks as longinus and cassius. It also refers to the pairing name too instead of using their full names (opposite example being that any simulation of het ship fucking uses their full names and has no dialogue)

Worth checking out for the lawlz

>>3006109
>>3006144
Probably also has to do a bit with there being no interesting merch lately. I've seen some fujo complain about that. It's been so waifu centric that you could easily trick me into thinking this was Eva store circa 10 years ago.

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>>3006185
I actually haven't seen much waifu merch either.

>Eva store circa 10 years ago
I wish.
Back then there was way more quality and gayer stuff coming out, it was the year of NGE2 after all.

>>3006174
>someone actually filmed this

Neat. Also curious what Kaworu says, though it's probably something typical and generic.

>>3006204
>>3006174
Can't moon too well but I can make out things like "so strong yet so kind" and around the end something like "this isn't our promised [meeting] time yet."

Thanks for posting. I was wondering what the nips were referring to on the ride when they were talking about Naked Kaworu. I'd like to pretend this shows Shinji gets routine visits like this a la Anima

>>3006174
>all those girls squealing when Kaworu appears

>>3006224
Well he did have those blackouts in the first two movies, where Rei visited him. Maybe Kaworu visited him too, though he just doesn't remember it for some reason.

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>>3006174
I can't listen pretty well, but I did the best I could do (my speakers are a shit and I don't have earphones). English isn't my first language, so I'm sorry if I have misspellings or if my translation isn't 100% accurate:

>Can you listen to me, Ikari Shinji-kun? You're strong, isn't it? And you're also gently. Probably you're the one who will lead the Lilins. But, this isn't the promised time yet. Now you have things to do, right, Ikari Shinji-kun...?

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>>3006306
>Probably you're the one who will lead the Lilins

Bring on the speculation.

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>>3006224
>>3006306
Not a translator who knows a lick of moon, but from what both of you are describing, it basically sounds like

>can you hear me, Shinji?
>you're so strong, yet so kind/gentle
>you'll lead/guide the lilin
>but this isn't our promised time yet
>you have other things to do right now, right, Ikari Shinji?

Yeah, bring on the speculation indeed. Especially that whole "lead the lilin" part after they share "their promised time" together. Interesting.

>>3006315
>>3006307
>>3006306
Eve's role as mother of life is to guide them

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>>3006319
Is it bad those were my thoughts as well? It's almost like kaworu is telling Shinji here

>hey Shinji I don't know if you can here me, but
>you've got what it takes to be a great wife and mom
>I bet you'll be great with the kids
>but we haven't met, loved or had sex yet, so this'll have to wait
>because it looks like Nerv and Seele have given you things to do in the meantime, so k seeya later

Kind of a creepy statement coming from him, but this is another indication that Kaworu has a certain degree remaining knowledge of his past with Shinji, while Shinji has apparently been mind wiped and doesn't remember any of it. Maybe this is were the brainwashing confirmations from Fuyutsuki and Gendo tie into place?

Assuming this attraction is providing any evidence for the actual movies.

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>>3006343
>while Shinji has apparently been mind wiped and doesn't remember any of it. Maybe this is were the brainwashing confirmations from Fuyutsuki and Gendo tie into place?
Shinji/Eve's exactly what Rei/Lilith was last time around.

Just way more moody and emotional. And a weird core.

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>>3006355
It looks like he really is starting to replace her mother goddess role, yeah.
I really wonder what Anno has planned for Rei now, child theory or not.

But unlike Kaworu, it seems that Shinji has definitely been mind-wiped about his true past. Like that flashback sequence with the Adams and the Spears from Until You Come to Me. It's very much presented as resurfacing memory from Shinji's mind.

>>3006361
Didn't Fuyutsuki already confirm Shinji was mind-wiped in 3.0? And I believe he offered mind control in 2.0.
It's been a while, but I remember something similar happening in NGE with Shinji finally remembering his mother.

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>>3006363
>Didn't Fuyutsuki already confirm Shinji was mind-wiped in 3.0?

Yes. About his past with his mother, but now I think there's more to it then that.

> And I believe he offered mind control in 2.0.

It was in 1.0, after Shinji failed at his first attempts to destroy Ramiel. Gendo refuses.

>>3006415
>>3006417
>>3006418
>>3006419

but why.

>>3006415
>>3006417
>>3006419
>>3006421
Delete this

>>3006415
>>3006417
>>3006418
>>3006419
>>3006421

What in the fuck, dude

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>>3006415
>>3006418
Low fat Shinji + gyno was cuter than moobs

I wish they made more micro macro line stamps. The animated ones were so cute.

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>>3006508
And gay.

>>3006509
That one's even gayer animated

https://store.line.me/stickershop/product/3860/en

>>3005007
>tanging counts as sex

Is that what you have to tell yourself because Shinji actually does become one body and soul with the girls and it's blatantly showed as sex whereas with Kaworu his attraction is only romantic and metaphysical?

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>>3006515
>Shinji actually does become one body and soul with the girls
I think you forgot the part about instrumentality starting after Shinji-Eva merged with Adam and Lilith.

Only after Kaworu fucked Eve in the core of course.

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>>3006515
gr8 b8, I r8 it 8/8

>Shinji actually does become one body and soul with the girls
Shinji becomes one with everyone, they're all literally one giant mass of orange juice.

Shinji getting speared by Kaworu actually happened in the real world, in reality, not in Lilith's womb that is represented as escapism to the highest degree.

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>>3006516
Weren't these images done by one of the animators who worked on Q?
Didn't they also make a Kawoshin doujinshi?

Do you think Anno knows?

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>>3006521
It was technically supposed to be a one of the these Shinji from instrumentality showing up as phantoms to tang people. Like the Rei did last time.

Wonder if that means anything.

>>3006516
Is this supposed to be fem Shinji or a fem Kaworu?

Honestly can't tell. I'm gonna go with Kaworu, judging on the hair style.

>>3006521
She's a retired animator now. Like most nip women, she quit her job once she got married. Her pixiv used to have kawoshin porn but she deleted it years ago

>>3006417
... Is it wrong that I sort of want to slap that butt?

>>3006527
I see nothing wrong with that. Noketter has shown to me with her doujin that Shinji is still best girl even when fat

>>3006518
>represented as escapism to the highest degree.

Sure says a lot that the only ones he see and interacts with in all of humanity are the girls

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>>3006525
Shinji becoming Kaworu, possibly.

I wonder how fujos will react if Kawoshin turns out to be selfcest in final.

>>3006534
It says quite a lot about Anno.

He took the opportunity with EoE to finally vent and confront all his complexes and problems with women after all these years.

Good on him, it was probably pretty healing to put it all out there into a work.
And Rebuild (and its lack of the sexual themes that were in NGE/EoE) shows that whatever was eating at him is long gone.

>>3006525
>>3006542
I always saw it as girl!Shinji in tang with her hair floating. The eyes aren't like Kaworu's at all and that artist is able to draw the difference.

>>3006543
But did it? If you look at his bio on the official khara page it still says he was depressed and would still take angsty trips to snowy places in shorts and sandals even after doing eoe. And looking at his following filmogrophy he definitely didn't get better for a long time.

Regardless if this helped him or not it definitely made eva into officially being the Shinji show.
Really I don't see where the other character's issues are fixed like >>3004755 said. The main characters were supposed to be Misato and Shinji but in the end Misato just becomes the exposition character and sacrifices herself. Asuka has an epiphany about her mom and is hilariously killed off but only appears in instrumentality to be angry at Shinji. And after betraying Gendo, really what issues does Rei have to get off her chest? Does she even understand or care about Shinji jerking it to her?

Am I really supposed to believe that all these characters that barely interacted had issues with each other and that these issues were actually resolved by the end of it? It felt a lot more like shelving actual issues the characters struggled with throughout the show and replacing it with Anno's losing battle of scolding otaku and himself.

But whatever, I know I've broken the golden rule of criticizing nge/eoe.

>>3006531
Given the size of the 'personal flotation devises' She draws her girl Shinji with, best girl is fat by default.

Odd considering how Sadamoto makes him scrawny and how emaciated he was by the end of q

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>>3006556
>But did it?
I wasn't referring to his depression, anon.
Just his problems with women and maybe communication, specifically.
You can never fully cure depression, it's with you for life.
Likewise, Anno's battle with it years to come after EoE to now make perfect sense.
I was just saying the women-specific issues seem to be done with, as he seems very happy with Moyocco.

I agree anon, EoE and Rebuild both focus solely on Shinji and sideline co-main character Misato despite the story always meant to be about their journey together.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing, as long as a message is conveyed and we get a good story, but in the case of EoE I recognize and agree with you that it was not a consistent transition from the series to the movie as a plausible ending.
But as I say before, what takes priority is what the movie is trying to say to the audience, and for most, just that is enough.
EoE speaks to people, and so in turn suspension of disbelief/judgement is to be allowed. At least, in my opinion.

Nothing is flawless, and discussing Eva's flaws (both the show and Rebuild) can be of benefit as well.

>>3006543
>And Rebuild (and its lack of the sexual themes that were in NGE/EoE) shows that whatever was eating at him is long gone.

So straight to the point objectifying young girls instead of trying to lump it with symbolism is improvement? Kinda feel bad for Moyoco,

>>3006582
Oh, fuck off, that shit has been a staple in Anime for years.
It's a whole different culture there, as is the age of consent and what is deemed mature content.

The point is in Rebuild we've got some nude shots here and there, but there's nowhere near the sexual themes and tension of the original series.
Not just of the children, but of the adults too.
I wouldn't say it's an improvement, actually the opposite, considering characters like Ritsuko are now completely shallow.

Funny you bring up Moyocco though. If you've read some of her works, there's much more explicit display of sexualization and objectification than Eva. And both are never pointless fanservice, but serve to send an important message and tell the story.

>>3006598 #
>brings up age of consent argument without understanding how it actually works there
>"all fan service is meaningful and important in nge"

You sound like a cutout asspained weeb. I'd believe you if all that was always through the eyes of Shinji but most of the time it's just there without him even being present. You really can't let nostalgia goggles blind you too much into thinking it's all necessary to the story.

And with Moyoco, most of her work is josei or seinen so of course it's gonna have sex since it's aimed at adults and is about adults. Anything aimed at younger audiences by her has nothing remotely sexual. She won't even show characters kiss until they're fully grown up in those series.

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>>3006582
They were objectified in the original series as well.

>>3006515
>Shinji actually does become one body and soul with the girls

Interesting you say that.
The visuals of Shinji's desires of "wanting to become one" with Misato, Rei and/or Asuka are treated as fantasies and desires well before the start of EoE and instrumentality

Then when he actually does "become one" with them in instrumentality, it turns out he actually doesn't like it. Asuka and Shinji are hostile with each other, he never engages in instrumentality sex with Misato because he later came to see her as pure, maternal figure (hence his disgust when seeing her have sex with Kaji) and outright admits that becoming one with Rei "feels wrong," and kindly asks her if she can invert it, along with the rest of humanity.

Kaworu is the only one that directly happened in reality - their sex scene doesn't happen in EoE's instrumentality which is basically symbolic of escapism or unrealistic expectations. We don't see Kaworu in NGE instrumentality sequences in episode 25 & 26 either, because Shinji apparently doesn't have any serious emotional issues or gripes with Kaworu like he does for Asuka, Rei or his father for example.

>>3006624
So we have a trade off of sex with Kaworu = in reality but is left heavily symbolic and used Yui as proxy
And sex with the girls = not real but presented plain as day

Kinda feels like a shitty trade off to be honest but I'm someone who's become tired of them hiding behind symbolism.

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>>3006621
And you sound like a tumblrtard with a gigantic stick up their ass.

At the end of the day, it's a fucking cartoon.
And showing some nude drawings for a few seconds played for laughs in both NGE and Rebuild never hurt anyone. Certainly not any Japanese.

The fact that Eva was even mature enough to confront sex and sexuality the way it did should be commendable.

>>3006626
Anno a chicken shit.

There's also plenty of heavy, symbolic evidence suggesting that Shinji's EoE version of instrumentality is about him learning to love and accept his inner feminine nature, rather than repressing it through forced masculinity or self-hatred (which he vents through his sexualizaton, objectification and treatment of the girls in instrumentality.)

Hence the image posted by this anon being just one tiny example of Shinji confronting his inner self of repressed, effeminate tendencies in EoE. >>3006524

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>>3006626
I've noticed your presence through your consistent posting style and drawback to the exact same topics these past couple of threads, and I honestly don't think this is the right show for you.

There's no trade offs or hiding or whatever.
We're given a clear indication of what the relationships in the show are, and that won't change no matter how many sex scenes or physicality are shown.

Kaworu died. He lost human form.
I see no other way he could have interacted with Shinji in EoE in that manner beyond how he did.
Him appearing in lilin instrumentality beyond the observer he was makes no sense either.

If you're tired of them hiding behind symbolism, whatever the fuck that means, then good. Leave.
If you need to see two 14 year olds tear off their clothes and start buttfucking on screen to get any semblance of the importance of their relationship, then may I be so kind to redirect you to gay porn.

Your constant complaining about this series and bringing up the same topics over and over again (that have all constantly been debunked) is getting to be real tiresome.

Obviously your opinion is not in the majority of the fanbase, I frankly don't even know how you can have that opinion after watching the show, but whatever.
Point being, I don't think Eva is for you or your not in it for the reasons you should be in it.
But feel free to discuss Eva with a certain other community that may understand your over-dramatizations a bit better.

Here's an official comic that came with the Eva blu-rays for the eyes of everyone who bought them. Look at how much hiding they're doing here.

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>>3006542
>I wonder how fujos will react if Kawoshin turns out to be selfcest in final.

Well if they take Anima's canon into direct consideration, then that's what's going to happen.

>>3006673
No, I really just find it amusing how kawoshinfags seem to settle with next to nothing and be satisfied with it. Anno will never give Kaworu more screentime in the future so you've come to rely on half an hour of autistic interacting and unbelievable love confessions. The ones that want to see them tear off their clothes are you guys but you won't admit it because you know there isn't any sexual attraction between them and that it will never happen. So you convince yourselves that naked waifu and boners are always important just so you don't feel disappointment for having such a weak ship.

>that have all constantly been debunked
From my perspective it looked more like skirting around the issue or forcing it to fit your biased narrative. My favorite answers are those where you peg romantic LAS moments as being only comedic fan service or "Anno's issues" as if that negates what they really are. Must hurt that Shinji only cares about getting laid by girls rather than being reunited with Kaworu who was standing there right in front of him. If instrumentality is the ultimate escapist fantasy it's obvious where his main interests lie.

I know you won't believe me anyway but I'm not the only one that's been posting in these last threads. Spooky isn't it?

>>3006728
>Adam-eve sex in EoE and them merging with Lilith into a single supreme being

>making shinji's true body Eva and making eve the yin to Adams yang for anima with an implied seed of life

>Sadamoto written love confession and monopolization if sex stuff in manga

>nothing
Yea

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>>3006662
>Making him sound this much like an insane mtf in denial train wreck

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>>3006751
lol I never implied any mtf trans talk, not sure where you're getting that from.

Just that his inner nature and soul is apparently very feminine in in general. I mean there were professional Japanese essays written about his feminine qualities and development in NGE and EoE. Or Shinji's best qualities in Rebuild being associated with feminine activities such as cooking for example, which the rest of the cast praises him for.

This isn't even considering all of the Eve or maternal goddess cues and clues in both the Rebuilds or Anima either.

>>3006728
Not the anon you're arguing with, but while their romantic context could still be considered 'debatable' in NGE, it's far more direct and obvious in Rebuild. Kaworu is definitely presented as the only real romantic and sexual interest in those movies, with only Rei being somewhat debatable on account of other characters' perceptions of Shinji and Rei's relationship, but nothing substantial through Shinji himself.

>>3006758
Damn anon, that reply was so level headed and honest it made me pause not going to lie

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>>3006772
Honestly can't tell if this post is being sarcastic or not.

>>3006803
Not sarcastic. Also I like a lot of that artist's work.

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>>3006728
>Must hurt that Shinji only cares about getting laid by girls rather than being reunited with Kaworu who was standing there right in front of him.

The nips joke about Kaworu being NTRd in that scene so to be fair you're not the first to bring it up

>>3006742
Not that anon but Anima isn't really a good argument point since besides it being an unofficial spin off, Kaworu's in it for like what? 5 pages? The Eve thing is only mentioned once and the rest of the series is waifu pandering to the max.

>>3006662
Doubt that's the reason Anno was going for but really why shouldn't Shinji objectify them? He doesn't owe them anything with how they treated him like shit the whole time. He's a horny teenager so besides the immoral sidestep in the beginning of the movie there's nothing wrong with it.

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>>3006811
You're forgetting that Anno consulted with Yamashita about his plans for the franchise's future well before he started writing the Anima novels.

Basically, Anno allowed Yamashita to go crazy as long as he added certain details.

Considering how much waifu-pandering is thrown in, it's extremely odd that the book ended on the Adam and Eve note that it did. Chances are this was one of the elements that Anno consulted about.

>>3006850
I still don't know how I should judge yamashita. On one hand he seems like your typical deviant otaku who draws cow tits and inserts loli but on the other hand his Twitter is full of nothing but pictures of his cat and garden.

>>3006673
>If you're tired of them hiding behind symbolism, whatever the fuck that means,

Pretty sure my post explained what it means pretty well or can you not read from on top your high horse? Apparently I am in the minority even on a thread that's been trying to find the lewd in everything related to the boys for the last 3 years.

Not sure who you think you were replying to but I see that wishing they'd go as far with them as they did for Shinji and the girls in instrumentality instead of abstract spear piercing and star symbolism makes me some kind of disgusting pervert and fake fan. Sorry I'm no longer convinced by a single "I love you" and a pile of cheap merch against the bold and beautiful het shit that the fandom praises like >>3006658 and yourself. You might as well excommunicate some of the others on here since they're looking for sexual stuff between the boys as well.

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>>3006920
>>3006728
Obviously you think it's next to nothing, we think it's more than enough.
In fact, it's beyond astonishing all they've gotten considering the lack of other canon homosexual couples in Anime.

I don't see why a minor character like Kaworu should get more screentime then he's already had, he has a clear role in the story and that role is not to be a major character. I doubt it would really work.
But that just makes the time he appears, and the time he interacts with Shinji all the more significant.

>skirting around the issue
No. Completely and utterly debunked to the point where you couldn't even respond.
Comedic fanservice so irrelevant it wasn't even brought over to the Manga or Rebuild because that's how insignificant and unnessesary the staff deemed it to be to tell Eva's story.
Deal with it, Kaworu isn't just called Shinji's Orihime for no reason.

>het shit
I say this show isn't for you since you get so irked by 'objectification' of the girls and apparently only care about the show through a shipping lense and if Kaworu and Shinji fuck or not.
It's not that kind of show.
You watch it for the characters, for Shinji and Misato's story, and character progression into their final arcs.
Along the way you will see small romantic arcs, Misato and Kaji interacting, and Shinji and Kaworu interacting, but although very significant to the characters they are minor in comparison to the overarching story.

People understand that, and they accept that, because what we get is more than enough to make the story work and convey what it needs to convey.

You obviously don't, which is why you've been spending all your time in these threads (it's obvious your a newfag) complaining about trivial, nonexistent shit, and trying to convince other anons of your perspective.
It hasn't been working to well, which is why I politely suggest you to a website more comfortable for your ilk.

>>3006728
Why do you care so much if people enjoy things that you don't?
Are you just in these threads to get mad?

>>3007254
Maybe they just have autism.

https://otakumode.com/shop/56727da004d2efff010f2cb8/Evangelion-Q-Complete-Supplementary-Files

Does anyone know what this is supposed to be? I can't find it anywhere else.

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>>3007308
I hope it's the equivalent of 3.0's CRC.

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>>3006758
>while their romantic context could still be considered 'debatable' in NGE, it's far more direct and obvious in Rebuild
I think you meant to say the romantic context in NGE is direct and obvious.
Rebuild is just subtext, symbolism, and undertones, NGE is canon overtones.

You can't no homo your way out of this shit when even Anno said it was homoerotic, the other anon is so butthurt he's been baiting the last couple threads.

>>3007267
Just your typical meth head

>>3007254
Get mad? Naw I find it fun to find holes in your ideology. You think you're better than waifufags but at least they're consistent

>>3007250
>newfag
Your recognition is pretty shit if you think I've only started posting recently and it's pretty amusing that you think anyone that disagrees with you must be me.

I've been around here long enough to see that you pick and chose things whenever someone challenges you. You hate Rebuild because it took out all the sexual elements but then you flee back to it because 3.0 is kawoshinfag safe space. You can't seem to make up your minds on side material either. You fags praise the Sadamoto manga as final proof but then discard it because of the Asuka end. You keep posting that page that says Kaworu is a love interest but then you just label everything else as 'not canon' if it paints his relationship to the girls as romantic too.

>completely and utterly debunked

Lel where? Like I said already you all just run back to side material or ignore it and don't even touch what I brought up. You still don't have an excuse for Shinji's ideal escapist dream being to fuck Asuka and Rei instead of reuniting with Kaworu (who still makes a cameo that you admit goes beyond all logic) but is still completely ignored by Shinji. It's almost like Shinji cares more about his relationship with girls than seeing the one he supposedly loves the most and tragically lost? I can already predict you'll rationalize it again as "Anno's blue balls" and just treat it as something that's optional as canon to Shinji's feelings.

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>>3007250

>Along the way you will see small romantic arcs, Misato and Kaji interacting, and Shinji and Kaworu interacting, but although very significant to the characters they are minor in comparison to the overarching story.

Kaji is his own character and leaves a long lasting impact on Misato which she holds to the very end. She doesn't seem to waste her time in not "becoming one" with him in instrumentality. While Shinji on the other hand forgets about Kaworu until the last minute and only after fucking waifu was disappointing to him. He never wanted to fuck Kaworu ever. It's obviously only romantic attraction. And you can see he only ever liked tits even in the rejected eoe drafts.

You almost admitted it yourself but you do see that Kaworu isn't a character on his own but only a plot device meant to make Shinji upset for half an hour before he ultimately moves on. I know you already expect it for Final too. He's no longer necessary in NGE as soon as instrumentality begins, he was even less necessary in the manga, and his use in Rebuild is over too. Rei has completely taken all his roles and is actually important to Shinji. He was created as an one-off character and they only bring him back as little as possible to keep fujoshit buying.

So yeah it's good that you guys are completely 100% satisfied with him just existing to die tragically and be forgotten. No reason you'd be overanalyzing a theme park ride, figures, or mobile games if you weren't.

>>3007339
>>3007340

>Rei has completely taken all his roles and is actually important to Shinji.

Try convincing Reifags instead of us.

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>>3007335
>You fags praise the Sadamoto manga as final proof but then discard it because of the Asuka end
Not that anon, but are you talking about that ending where Asuka got tanged by Kaji and Shinji probably will see her one time in his life? And please, don't say "why he holds her hand?" because he was surprised as fuck, nothing strange or Asushin.

Not sure if you're a butthurt Asushinfag or that Reifag falseflagging again. Stop self-inserting, it's disgusting.

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>>3007335
>>3007340
>you will never be so mad that you intentionally lose your shit in /cm/ threads after getting BTFO for the 5th time in a row

>>3007375
He's completely outed himself after stalking us for so long in rage.
At least his projection and generalizing, not to mention bringing up 'points' that have already been debunked and invalidated threads back are recognizable enough to ignore on site for future threads.

>>3007335
please just go back to evageeks

>>3007376
>>3007378
>>3007380
Nice deflecting

>>3007340
>Rei has completely taken all his roles and is actually important to Shinji.

And in Rebuild, Shinji has apparently taken all of her primary roles in the plot and likely usurped her as humanity's maternal deity.

>confirmed impact trigger
>confirmed that he experiences "awakenings" like that of the 4 Adams
>failures of infinity were created after his impact
>absolutely essential to Seele and Gendo's plans, moreso then Rei or Kaworu. Kaworu is apparently discarded for later while Seele split Rei into clones - or perhaps just uses soulless Rei clones.
>many hints thrown by Ishida, Anno and other Khara staff
>relationships are reversed, Shinji has a much more protective, caring and even slightly maternal role over Rei now, meanwhile Rei is more childish in this movie adaptation, using words like "poka-poka" and learning social relationships through his guidiance

Make of it what you will.

As for Kaworu, 3.0 made it fairly clear that his soul is now trapped within Eva 13. Meanwhile Rei's soul is trapped in unit 01, or so we're lead to believe. I don't expect either of them to show up very much, so I won't be surprised if Final puts more focus on Asuka, Misato, Kaji and the rest of the cast's relationship to Shinji.

>>3007403
I'm pretty indifferent to final. His soul trapped in Eva 13 just sounds too stupid. Being a kaworufag is always suffering.

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>>3007404
Then how do you explain this scene that appears right when Shinji is ejected from the Eva?

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>>3007401
I'm not the one getting butthurt at people liking things than me.

If you really believed everything you said about Kawoshin having no evidence in Anime and final, you wouldn't be trying this hard to convince others of your already failing argument.
And you wouldn't be this angry at people talking about merchandise and external materials; probably because Khara hasn't bothered to make any for your preferred waifu x Shinji ship this past decade.

>>3007405
I'm not denying it being the case. I just really hate the idea of it and gives me another reason to not care about final.

>>3007406
>>3007375

You all lack evidence in it being physical attraction. We get reminded again and again he's attracted to girls but he never got excited seeing Kaworu naked. He never wanted him so much he tried kissing him in his sleep. Even less indication in Rebuild now like some on you've said.

He obviously had feelings for Asuka too. If she hadn't rejected him in the eoe kitchen scene you know he would've rejected instrumentality right away. He wants her love so much that it destroys the world (hence the title being 'love is destructive'). I know you like to play off their kiss scene as nothing but comedic fan service but it's clear it had a large impact on him. Note they are wearing the same outfits in the eoe kitchen scene. Both versions of "Everything you ever dreamed" and Sadamoto's quote implies how important it was to Shinji >>3004785
The only thing stopping him from loving her was that she was mean to him. The train scene shows that he just needed her kindness to become hers completely http://i.imgur.com/trcsv.jpg and now that they understand each other after instrumentality they can truly love one another. Kaworu represented love which also means 'unattainable love' since he always dies and Shinji always moves on in the end.

inb4 you say it's not in Rebuild because it's not needed to tell eva's story, that's because Shinji's issues aren't the same this time. But Asuka is still alive and it's obvious she'll be a focus in Final like >>3007403 says.

Why does every Evangelion thread devolve into this autistic bullshit.

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>>3007414
>it's a Asushinfag
Damn, I didn't know you fags still existed.

No wonder you're so butthurt, Rebuild (and the Manga) fucked your ship over, changed Asuka's last name and made Asuka a dyke for Mari Sue Illustrated.

>>3007419
Because Evangelion is a very autist-friendly series.

/cm/ threads are usually pretty docile, but we've had some angry outsiders peeking in the past couple weeks.

>>3007414
Anon, control your autism. Most people here don't deny that Shinji is bisexual. It's possible to have feelings for more than one person.

>The only thing stopping him from loving her was that she was mean to him.
And she was mean to him, so he didn't love her. It's really simple.

>>3007431
Glad you get that but it just shows Kaworu was sloppy seconds out of desperation. Shinji would never have cared about him at all if Asuka was already nice to him beforehand. But no where does he show that he's actually bi though.

>>3007435
>Shinji would never have cared about him at all if Asuka was already nice to him beforehand
>if

So you agree Kaworu can't be second when Asuka was never first.

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>>3007435
>sloppy seconds out of desperation
This can't be true when Shinji rejects Misato in the previous episode.
Misato was kind to him the entire show, Rei was also fairly friendly to him, as were Kensuke and Touji.
Shinji never showed them the attraction that he showed to Kaworu, so he can't just be desperate for kindness.
Shinji started blushing at Kaworu before he was even being nice because he found him attractive.

And you really need a rewatch, you're over exaggerating how 'mean' Asuka was to Shinji.
They've been nice to eachother many times in the show, but the problem is Shinji was always indifferent to her or just flat out ignored her.

Remember Magma Diver? When Asuka dives into the pool and tells Shinji to watch her? Shinji just sighs at her immaturity and looks towards Rei in interest.
He also calls her a child after she cries for her mother during his attempted kiss.

This is why in EoE Shinji does not care as he hears Asuka screaming and about to die to the MP Evas. He lets her die without a single expression of anger.
But he smiles and cries a minute later when he sees Kaworu.

Shinji and Asuka are coworkers, sometimes getting along but most of the time just indifferent.
Shinji fell for Kaworu because Kaworu was the one to get him. See pic related, Asuka and even Touji and Kensuke will never be able to truly break down his AT Field and understand him. That was Kaworu's job.

Shinji was only interested in Asuka's exterior, as a healthy boy going through puberty.
Shinji was interested in both Kaworu's exterior and interior.

Anno went to the oldest Yaoi magazine in Japan in 1996 to talk about Kawoshin and called the episode homoerotic. It's confirmed sexual and romantic attraction.
Anno never once talked about Asushin, and obviously didn't care enough to add it to Rebuild.

Kaworu is Shinji's ideal self and kindred spirit, Asuka is just a side dish that he turned to in desperation. And Asuka was smart enough to call him out on it as the liar he is.

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>>3007453
This picture also reminds me that if Asuka was gonna date anyone, she should have dated Touji.

Touji was the only one who challenged her instead of just taking it like Shinji or brushing her off like Kaji.

Touji would have challenged her ego which is what she really needed the most before tragedy fell upon her because of her loss in pride.

Now it makes sense why Touji and Asuka were dating in that alternate universe, but I can't help but feel bad for Hikari getting NTRed.

>>3007414
>'He had feelings for Asuka blah blah blah'
I think is a good time to remember that Asuka literally says in EoE to Shinji that she knows about what happened in the hospital, that he considers her only as an 'okazu', which was translated as 'side-dish' but it can also means 'masturbatory aid'. Also the 'If I can't have you entirely for me then I don't want anything from you at all'.

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>>3007414
Uh, shinji himself admits he was attracted to Kaworu and and Sadamoto backs that up. Also said he wasn't attracted to girls.

What's more, the anime Shinji hasn't shown any attraction to girls, just men as Ogata said and even the anime one wanted more than anything else to see Kaworu for instrumentality and became one with him and Lilith.

Eve notwithstanding, that boy is about as far from heterosexuality as you can get.

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Can you autists at least post some pictures with your walls of text

>>3007459
>the anime Shinji
meant rebuild but anime is a crying moeblob around kaworu

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Reminder that Shinji only blushes at girls when they're doing something sexual, i.e. taking off their clothes in front of him, trying to kiss/touch him, etc.

Shinji blushes just by looking at Kaworu's face, just by Kaworu merely turning his head to look at him or entering the same room has him.

That is love and attraction beyond just hormonal lust, and that is how you know Shinji's love for Kaworu is genuine in comparison to using Asuka for fapbait (which she herself yells at him for in EoE).


As for final, I don't know what the fuck Anno is trying to go for based on this clusterfuck so far.
Asuka's seiyuu is squealing about Kaworu and Shinji getting married on one end, and waifufags are squealing about Asuka killing Rei and being the hero who saves the world on the other end.

I don't really give a fuck.
NGE will always be NGE to me, no matter how Anno tries to retcon or ruin it with later works.

But I am looking forward to the giant shitstorm it will cause in the fanbase, more than the movie's contents themselves.

>>3007468
>Shinji blushes just by looking at Kaworu's face, just by Kaworu merely turning his head to look at him or entering the same room has him.
This. I don't think that it's possible to deny that Shinji was sexually attracted to Asuka, but I doubt he would have ever wanted to be with her, hence the strangling at the end. Even if that was only brought on by his hallucinations of her earlier and his poor mental state, it still speaks to him fundamentally disliking her at least some level imo. His relationship with her is more of an awkward love/hate thing and is fucked up as he himself says.

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>>3007324
I think I understand what they mean. Around the time of nge they released those doujin anthologies like Evangelibon, the drama cd, SIRP, the GoS games, Angelic Days, pic related where Shinji comes off as a pervert that'll slut around. Probably what helped damn the franchise into many thinking it's a harem series.

While with Rebuild they've cut that off entirely with the merch and games. No more nosebleeds around girls. At the most just using Kaworu's romantic quotes next to illustrations of him and Shinji together.

>>3007494
down side is that they outsource it to mediocre artists now

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>>3007485
Shinji is a poor, confused kid going through puberty who hasn't received much love or affection in his life.

The sexual attraction to the girls is to be expected, as is Shinji's fear of them.
He purposely draws barriers: refusing Misato's offer of her body, and ignoring and brushing off Asuka when she tries to pursue him.
It makes him uncomfortable, and causes complexities and anxiety.

For Misato and Rei, Shinji was able to find some common ground and friendship before things went down the shitter after Rei's death, but I don't recall Shinji and Asuka ever having an actual conversation with each other.
It was always either cut off short or with Asuka getting angry and leaving Shinji like shit. Even when they started getting along like in Dance like you want to win, the next episode would just leave them back to where they started with no improvement.
I guess coworkers with tension would be the best way to describe it, I don't recall any scene where I could label them as friends.

I guess this also explains in part why Shinji got so attached to Kaworu as he did.
Here was someone who gave him the coddling and affection he missed out on as a child, plus friendship and camaraderie, but without the uncomfortable and anxiousness that Shinji got around the women.

>>3007494
Well, they were trying to omnipander back then.

But somewhere down the line as Secret of Evangelion and the Rei/Asuka dating sim games came out, they realized people would rather have a faceless male as a self insert than Shinji when they woo the waifus, so they tossed him off exclusively to Kaworu.

>>3007518
That's some good insight, anon. Can I trouble you for the twitter source of that picture?

>>3007324
I don't understand why anyone would vehemently deny it here. I get that other places people might be unwilling to have gay characters and just ignore facts, but I'm surprised someone could be so deluded on /cm/ of all places.

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>>3007526
It's an Asushinfag trying to stir the pot.

>>3007527
But why would they come to /cm/? Are they really that dedicated?

>>3007528
Autism.

>>3007523
Never mind, anon, I found the source. Thanks though.

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>>3007528
>Are they really that dedicated?
Considering they're probably the last remaining few of their dying kind, I'm assuming yes.