As promised I finished my calculations for the mini mealwork farm.
What happened? Farming mealworms is inviable in the conditions presented in the literature. The government is keeping me down. Gonna cost more than buying meat at the supermarket. Authought my order is already made and I'll cook mealworms at least once in my life.
My order will arrive the next week.
Nothing too complex.
It says 2.2 lbs of feed per lb of mealworms produced. The best oats deal I could find still makes the project inviable. Maybe if you find some cheap oats.
What are your calculations exactly? Are you comparing price per calorie, price per weight? What sort of food would you give them? If it's something you can digest yourself, of course it's going to be a net loss in a certain sense. But the whole point here is to combine certain nutrients in the livestock as well as making them taste better and more interesting.
I'd say sort of nutty, with a hint of grain, maybe almost a little like buckwheat with roasted peanuts. It's been some years since I last ate any so the accuracy is limited. They also take on some of the taste of what they've been eating.
The real highlight of fried insects is the crunchy, semi-meaty texture, a bit like shrimp (which makes sense), but more like potato chips.
I'm not OP, I had them a long time ago and they were dried and ground. Tasted like finely chopped peanuts sprinkled on top of asian dishes.
If you're ever in Mexico have a try of their chapulines. They're pretty good when mixed with lime and chilies.
I'm interested in the protein exclusively. Supposing they have around 30% I would need a lb of mealworm to exchance for a lb of chicken in my diet but it would cost almost twice as much.
What are you talking about?
My farm is doing fine just fine.
Be creative and you will find the right way.
Also, ask me anything.
I know a lot about raising mealworms.
I'll monitor this thread.
I've already made a huge thread about this on some other imageboard so I don't want to say the same things again, if you are not interested.
>Gonna cost more than buying meat at the supermarket.
This is a lie.
What the fuck are you using that is so pricey?
My colony costs almost nothing. I need to supply carrots and protein egg flakes from time to time.
>Farming mealworms is inviable in the conditions presented in the literature.
is there any difference between in/un/non viable.
I always read non and I was about to correct op before I looked it up. Now it seems like they can be used interchangeably with in maybe more common for living organisms and non for finance.
Anyone know anything?
You put in too much water when you boiled your rice. Having said that, how often do you eat meal worms, and do you think they're a worthwhile supplement for other sources of protein in your diet?
1-2 times every two weeks?
They are a good source of natural protein.
I'm trying to keep some variety in my diet.
Also, I don't want to eat my entire small colony before next reproductive cycle begins.
I'm not OP.
I'm some other guy who breeds mealworms.
I gotta be honest the fact that there's more than one of you is blowing my mind.
That said meal worms aren't too bad, I just can't get over the psychological factor once I have a few. Weird me out.
>I gotta be honest the fact that there's more than one of you is blowing my mind.
Entomophagy is a new meme that becomes more and more popular in western world recently. It's like veganism but for people who eat meat.
>What do you feed the worms with?
Carrots, oatmeal and egg flakes (pic related).
>Wouldn't it just be easier to eat beans and rice?
Can you see any difference between meat and plants? Rice and beans won't keep me healthy and strong.
>The best oats deal I could find still makes the project inviable
Byt a large bag of oat bran directly in the mill.
Here in Poland you can get 1KG of this stuff for 0,097 US cent. Less than a cent. Dude.
You can call it as you want.
The only things that matters to me are that I will allow me to make some extra cash and that I will be able to produce my own meat in the city.
You can't breed chickens in the city legally in soviet Poland.
>I'd figure that given the worms' small size, wouldn't a thorough cooking be enough to heat through any parasites? Unless there's some kind of superbug strain that I'm probably more than likely unaware of
1. put them in fucking oil.
2. People breed mealworms because it's confirmed that no diseases can be transmitted from them to humans.
>I'll cook mealworms at least once in my life.
finally a human who is slightly less weak than the others
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I can sell them to you as fish bait or pet food.
That is true. At least I know what's in my meat.
If you don't like "nutty" taste, get crickets. You can change their taste by changing their diet.
I don't want to get cancer from eating meat from a store.
>ITT: severely, borderline-non-functioning autistic dudes think it's okay to have a colony of insects in their closets as a food source
sure "it's just food," but good luck with any person that expects you to hold to anything remotely resembling social norms
I have a gf and she is ok with this.
Stop being a closed minded asshole or move to /pol/. Thanks.
Do you think Asians have "anything remotely resembling social norms"?
Yes she is.
>And stuff like sugar or flour?
I don't use sugar.
I get my flour from a mill that is located near my city.
Deal with it.
I'm thinking about starting a small colony of Stevia plants. That should give me a way to sweeten my dishes without using sugar.
It's cheaper to make your own food.
Maybe you don't know that, but quality meat costs a lot. Now I can have top quality meat for pennies.
Closed minded people will miss the money train and be sorry. Remember when e-cigarettes became a thing? Now it's to late to hop in. Mark my words. Bugs are the future.
I'm a white Christian male.
The bible says nothing against eating bugs.
The majority of people on this planet eat bugs.
I'm not a slave to my culture. I can implement good practices from other cultures into my life.
>Also, you will remain fit as you prepare your own meals instead of eating shit in MCDonnalds.
Wait, did we change the topic? I'm pretty sure we were talking about insects as a substitude for meat and not fast food vs homecooked stuff.
Now my next question: If I buy vegetables for example, how do I know what fertilizer the farmer used? If I use tap water or any kind of water that is, who guarantees me that there is no "shady" shit in it ? What about spices? Do you use spices? Where do you get your salt from? What's with pepper?
>If I buy vegetables for example, how do I know what fertilizer the farmer used?
I drank vodka with him. He would tell me.
>If I use tap water or any kind of water that is, who guarantees me that there is no "shady" shit in it ?
Boil it or use Brita™ filter.
>Where do you get your salt from?
From local salt mine in Kłodawa.
>Do you use spices?
I buy ginger roots and full pepper gains.
I do what I can, mang.
You can't protect yourself from everything.
My cell phone and router will eventually make me impotent and the polluted city air will give me some pulmonary disease.
pretty sure I could go out right now and buy an e-cig, what the hell are you talking about?
>h-hmm... p-people might start eating bugs more frequently, i want to be sure that i'm on the eqrly side of the trend, guess i should start a colony in my closet to eat
sure is some autistic logic right there
>The European Commission is relaxing rules to allow the inclusion of insects in poultry and pig feed from 2015, while the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is considering an application from U.S. company EnviroFlight to sell livestock feed made from insects.
Yes, rock salt, 100% pure.
The product hasn't changed since the mine's creation. My grandparents used it, my parents used it, now I'm using it. Using this salt is key when you want to make awesome pickles. Everyone in Poland knows that.
Wow. This thread is really interesting.
I mean that.
So why mealworms op? Why not roaches or crickets?
Is it for convenience or taste etc.?
They are the easiest to breed. You can't fuck it up as long as you supply them with carrots and protein from time to time. You can feed tgem with vegetable scraps and other leftovers. They are also silent and can't fly. Crickets can escape and be really loud. Other specues need some extra conditions to reproduce. With mealworms you can leave them sitting for a month and they will be fine.
You do the same thing as with snails. Take them out and keep them hungry for 2 days. They will shit out everything and then you clean them in water. I've tried them without starving them and they were still fine. Do what you want. The choice is yours.
>eating something that has starved for 2 days. Quality food right there.
Who cares everyone goes through his rebelious phase as a teenager, it'll soon be over and you'll laught about it.
Their shit doesn't have any distinct taste.
From my experience there is no difference in taste between a locust and a shrimp. Do you eat sea food /ck/?
You can. The downside would be that they start eating each other for water. You can slow this process down by putting them in a fridge. Their metabolism will slow down thus they will survive longer. Check out any guide.
>organic artisanal mealworms
There are many people who already does that.
You know what's cool?
You can sell their shit as 100% organic fertilizer.
Take your car and drive to the mill.
You don't buy oat bran for human consumption. It costs over 2 cents in here per kilogramme. You buy forage oat bran for ~1 cent per kilogramme. Buying in shops is retarded. Do you even know how much money do they make on every single package of this "organic" bran? Get to the source.
Honestly, I've raised dubia roaches for three years for my lizards, and I've got it down so well that I've turned to selling my many extra roaches to the local pet store. It's gotten to productive that they won't accept more than 12 dozen a week to replace their stock. I have so many roaches living in big Tupperware containers. They are just so easy to breed. I have a tank full of cherry shrimp as well and supply the same store with them. Basically, you give them a lot of room, clean up their poop once a week, and give them food, then they'll over fill that room with new babies. It's gotten to be a hassle, and I can't bring myself to cull them.
Maybe I should start eating my own dubias. You can feed them vegetable scraps and keep them in your closet for fucks sake. I see how insects infest homes now. It's just so damn easy. My chameleons are getting obese and my leopard geckos have so much fat in their tails I swear it takes up half their weight. One dropped its tail after breeding and it practically lost half its weight, the poor gal.
So can I eat my extra dubia?
There's this company called Bob's red mill over here that sells it for a great profit. I don't believe if I drove to a mill around here I'd be able to buy it to be straight with you. I love in Chicago, and I have central illinois suppliers for my beef, chicken, eggs, and pork. It's a several hours long drive to pick up my half a cow or my pig to put in the deep freeze and my chicken/egg supplier has delivery fees that match the price of the good itself (still not much more than grocery prices surprisingly). This state grows corn and soy. I don't think I could even find an oat grower around here.
>Note: A cockroach's body is covered with a thin coating of wax. In some species (including Periplaneta americana), this wax has a slightly acrid chemical taste that some diners may find distasteful. For this reason, it is advisable to soak the thawed, frozen roaches in lemon juice or white vinegar for an hour or two prior to cooking. This will dissolve most of the wax, which can then be discarded along with the lemon or vinegar solution. The cockroaches can then be incorporated into bug
dishes without further fussing.
Why can't you use corm flour and supplement it with vegetable scraps? How much does corn flour cost in the states? Be creative man.
Everything that is considered to be a waste for humans will do.
Yeah, I should try that then. But I don't know if my roaches will accept that as feed. Meal worms might, but I'd have to start a new colony and I'm just starting a silk worm colony. Are silk worms edible? I've already got some adults (poor things can't even fly from decades of breeding ) that will be laying soon. I feed the roaches on vegetable scraps for two people. My boyfriend is also kind of interested in my projects.
If I'm doing all this shit for my fat lizards I might as well get some subsistence as well. I have separated some of my dubia to shit their last shits. I'll freeze them then keep them overnight in rice wine vinegar then include them in my stir fry. Might be good. I'll let you know.
Have you found a way to get them not to pop when frying?
Take some insect snacks to the party and see how they taste with alcohol. You will enjoy it.
Silkworms are probably edible but the pupae is usually eaten (might taste better - it's also a left-over product from the manufacture of silk).
In Korea it's called beondegi.
They're probably not going to be very cheap for you though unless you have your own mulberry tree.
They look like a good protein source for a body builder.
Finally I'm back.
Can I use all purpose flour as feed? Using human oats is inviable where I live. Corn bran, oats bran and wheat bran is sold as healthy alternative product and ends even more expensive than oats. To buy from a mill I would need to travel 300+ kilometers. Inviable option.
In the tinyfarms' wiki you can find the source saying a lb of mealworms will need 2 lbs of feed.
I pay 6.65 BRL for a kilogram of chicken breast (30% protein). Second tinyfarms' wiki I need 2 kg of oats to produce a kilogram of worms (30% protein). 2 kg of oats costs me 13 BRL. Supposing I use plain flour it'll cost around 4.5 BRL for every kg produced.
>Can I use all purpose flour as feed?
You can but it's risky.
Any water that would leak from your fruits or vegetables will make flour hard and sticky, trapping and killing worms that were currently in this area.
>Corn bran, oats bran and wheat bran is sold as healthy alternative product and ends even more expensive than oats.
I know. That's why you need to move your ass to the mill and buy them as animal forage.
>In the tinyfarms' wiki you can find the source saying a lb of mealworms will need 2 lbs of feed.
Never gave a fuck about it. When they fill over half of the container with shit I remove it and add more bedding. They are probably talking about conditions when the container is filled with insects to the maximal capacity and the temperature is kept high. I keep them in room temperature to save money on additional heating.
>I pay 6.65 BRL for a kilogram of chicken breast (30% protein). Second tinyfarms' wiki I need 2 kg of oats to produce a kilogram of worms (30% protein). 2 kg of oats costs me 13 BRL. Supposing I use plain flour it'll cost around 4.5 BRL for every kg produced.
Welp, I already told you that 2 kg of oat bran costs 1.17 BRL. Plus you give them peelings.
This is Sparta.
I don't have acess to teleporter. The bag is 30 kg?
>need to travel to the mill
>mill can send me the packet for 60
>now it costs 5.17
Thats my problem. They send it for free when you buy 300-500 BRL is products. I don't have space nor I think it is a good idea to store 200+ kg of bran.
You know there are people who keep mealworms on nothing right? Give them a bent piece of paper and more food than usual. They should be fine. Of course with no real place to hide, small larvae will get eaten more easily.
Throw any food you want at them as long as it doesn't get mouldy too quickly.
Hell, fill the container with fucking garden earth.
The will be fine but need more food.
>Can you produce 2 lbs a month this way?
I don't weight them. Right now most of my insects are in a bug stage and are laying eggs. I know that some eggs have already hatched. When the larvae will grow to the size that can be actually seen without a magnifying glass I will tell you how much of them do I have.
4 eggs and 1 hatched worm.
It will probably take much more time for them to grow because I keep them in room temperature. In 28°C they would grow like mad.
I used 2 bike sacks to go to the mill once.
I saved money on petrol and burned some calories. The World is your oyster my friend. You just need to find the right way.
>Is someone going to erotically eat this from her face and tits?
I saw guys putting mealworms on their dicks for pleasure....
>So I'm gonna forget the theory and just do it to see how much I can farm from a kilogram of flour, maybe some will die trapped in flour blocks but in the end they all going to die.
Expect mould and then a lot of dead worms.
Use carrots and maybe potatoes. Any juicy fruit will create an instant death trap for them.
Also, protip : black worm = dead worm
Or you can put the food on paper. Usually it takes some time before they manage to eat a sheet of paper. I also believe that beetles might find it hard to walk on flour. Never tested this theory but I saw them on bread crumbs.
They constantly flipped over to their backs and struggled to turn back.
Are bread crumbs also expensive in your fine Country?
Maybe my beetles had problems with bread crumbs because they were young.
I believe that black soldierfly breeding machine can't be bought right now.
You don't, of course. But many people don't know that. They are afraid of working out their own solution, or they prefer something that someone else has made for them.
This sort of thing happens all the time with marketing kitchen products; it's no different than a garlic press, bread-making machine, rice cooker, egg poacher, etc. None of those tools are strictly required but people still buy them.
Cage in the pic doesn't seem very large.
I know. I'm saying that breeding soldierflies in home without a hermetic container with it's own ventilation and carbon filter might be impossible (in normal homes with normal people).
Why the hell not?
The law usually says that you can't sell them for profit without a permit. There is no law against eating rodents. The only problem is that diseases from rodents can actually be transmitted to humans. That's why nobody in the west eat rodents. If it's not illegal, do whatever you want.
Depending on how extreme the winter is I've heard they can generate enough heat to survive.
I mean if you had the space you could take a few indoors.
I've heard people who keep them outside (usually they don't cage them) will have them on a yearly cycle, so I think that means they can live in places with winter and they just return when it warms up.
>I've heard they can generate enough heat to survive.
Enough to survive in a near death state but not enough to make the colony grow. Their metabolism will be slow as shit. Also, any day with temperature below 0°C will kill them no matter what they do.
My family is from Denmark (Vejle if anyone wants to look up it's climate). Even in winter the greenhouse is warm. Walk into it and the first thing you think is "damn, I need to get this jacket off".
Also, you could easily add a small heater to the "bug enclosure" to ensure it doesn't get too cold. You don't have to heat the whole greenhouse, just get one of those heating pad things they use for terrariums/aquariums.
>Don't mind me, just your average mealwormfarming individual
Only on 4chan...
fucking hell. this is one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen here.
you bastards have given me a craving for insects..
I had a lizard that died and I've been keeping the mealworms since because I don't know what to do with them and I'd feel bad just letting them die. I never considered farming them, I've just been tossing them whatever falls off my houseplants and occasionally dropping in water. I don't think they've multiplied much. How often should I sprinkle in proteins?
>I've been keeping the mealworms since because I don't know what to do with them and I'd feel bad just letting them die
I had a small plastic container of mealworms that I bought for the lizard to eat and it died before they were finished. I felt weird about throwing living creatures away, even if they're shitty little bugs I'd feed to something else anyway, and I felt weird about starving them all, so I just toss them houseplant trimmings every few days. They're still alive a few months later. They're like... mediocre pets, or a houseplant I don't really look at.
This is not only about the money. Eat cheap and you'll eat better. No problem getting something different here and there but I would eat rice, beans and vegetables 95% of the time even with all the money in the world.
You can make them really tasty if you know what you are doing.