>>7284505 I know. I was on the sauce hard last year and went I stopped suddenly I had a seizure. I wasn't eating though (couldn't keep food down), and all I was doing was chugging beers and doing shots. I lost 30 pounds easily and detoxes about 3 times but kept drinking. I've calmed the fuck down since then but if I have booze in the house it's going to be gone. I drank a 750 ml and beers and more shots along with my boyfriend this weekend. He has trouble keeping up with me. I'm trying to keep drinking to the weekends now.
>>7284529 Best of luck. I had to detox last year because I most likely broke my hip and didn't have insurance to pay for medical care. I spent about 5 months being different levels of intoxicated but never sober. It got to if I went even a few hours without a drink I'd start shaking. Very embarrassing, I decided to get help when I went on a family vacation and was shaking so hard I couldn't hold a cup still enough to drink.
>>7284567 College. Before I turned 21 I was the biggest pothead faggot ever. When I couldn't find weed I started buying liqour instead, then realised I liked it better, it was easier to get, socially acceptable, and helped me get laid. It took years to really turn into a problem.
Fuck, why are aged spirits such an absolute scam and why is the industry just going along with it?
Like, say, you have labels of "12" or 16" years aged, but no mention of the factor of heat. Since ethanol and water are molecularly stable, they themselves don't age, and the only "aging" occurring is compounds like tannins leaching out from the wood. Simply increasing the heat would thus make spirits "age" faster, just like tea brews faster in hot water than cold. And pressure is also a factor, since solvents are more affective at higher pressure, meaning some white dog put into a heated pressure chamber with a block of charred oak, and bam, you have bourbon aged years in a matter of minutes. What's the point getting into this when it's as useless and pretentious as wine tasting? And then I get looked down at for buying the cheapest grog possible.
>>7284608 I'm cutting down massively as well, beer is such a minuscule alcohol amount per unit it doesn't seem worth drinking it anymore to me. The calories are killing my body
>>7284567 I started off smoking weed, then I started popping x pills a lot and quit smoking. Then I decided to cut them off after my tolerance got so high. I got hooked when I became a bar tender and didn't stop drinking after I quit. And here we are now
>>7284688 Honestly, dobbers are the worst. They have no place in the working class. Supervising and managerial types know that most of the rules are just formalities to cover their own asses, but have to enforce them if crawling dickheads raise transgressions to their attention.
I'd go there at the end of his shift and tell the useless fucker off.
Made a thread yesterday about going back on it, nearly 8am now, need to wait till 10 till they fucks are allowed to sell booze, the shop is 24hr but only the one dude will sell before selling time and he's not in.
>Waiting for 10am >Is it bad I know the phone number of the booze shop >Got a couple of valium to take the edge off >gram of speed to take the edge off the valium >Vodka to level it all out >I can see this bender lasting a few weeks >Start work at 11am
>>7284482 >want to slow down on the alcohol consumption >be social retard >recently been hanging out with qt girl from work on a weekly basis >first time anything like this has ever happened >have to down a four loko before I arrive at her house in order to calm my nerves and not act completely autistic It's been going good so far but my liver probably hates me.
And that's what would worry me, I was clean for nearly 6 months, and in the space of 3 days, I'm drinking 24/7 taking benzos and speed, just to feel normal. I'll do this until my body tells me I'm going to die, then I'll hit up the sliding dose of Librium for the WD Then I'll be sober, but now I'm on it.
>>7284675 You are a retarded and you probably think you are a genius for coming up with this awesome "new" idead for aging, trust me its not that easy, do a little research and you will find out why. There have been countless attempts to accelerate aging and I have tried many, they all taste like shit, if liquor producers could accelerate aging and still produce a product that was exactly the same as a properly aged spirit the would, it costs a lot of money to store barrels for a decade or two, and they also have deal with barrel losses which further decrease profits.
last week I went to the bar w a friend and we ended up leaving and smoking Meth w some guy we met. I threw up for like 24 hours. Probably the drugs but I quit for 7 days straight just had a few beers tonight. Didn't get any withdrawals and actually lost a few pounds. Didn't go into work hungover at all. I can't quit completely but I like to dry out every few weeks.
>tfw school starts again today >felt like taking a semester off >haven't told my parents or my girlfriend because they'd disown me >two months sober, but so close to breaking Fake it till you make it, right?
moderate drinker reporting in. I used to cleanse my mind with a schnapps with 98% (196proof) with juice or coke. found out it was a bad idea as I started performing badly in the morning and had blackouts on weeknights and nearly hero status on weekends. back to beer, not too much (2-6 0.5l/evening). quit wine on weeknights as well as hydration is essential. drink every day since years.
>been on a downward spiral for two years >day drinking, regular blackouts all the usual >lost job year and half ago >NEET and broke >lose all friends >living hand to mouth but still wasting money on drink and smokes >finally decide to take a break after the thought of drinking makes me sick >been sober for two months and only just now have allowed myself to have a pint with dinner on the weekends
I don't know if it's a false dawn but I'm feeling so much better after getting past that first month hump.
>>7285564 >being a cook >not being an alcoholic/drug addict/ intelligent individual who does drugs to deal with the dumb as fuck routine of where ever they work instead of being allowed to have the freedom to serve new things. Cooking is an art, and I for one am sick of cooking kitsch, Thomas kinkade bullshit for people.
>>7284482 It's about 5pm here. I've just been to the supermarket for food and a bottle of cheap vodka. 1 litre for £15. I tend to binge drink. And I function OK. I just took two weeks off the booze, and I couldn't sleep. But I felt OK.
I'm into my second glass of the stuff and that warm, fuzzy feeling is rising. I've accepted that I'm an alcoholic. There's no fucking denying it.
But I can live a really good life. I'm a single dad with a teenage daughter (wife died in 2012). My daughter gets good grades at school, my mother is ill and I look after her, I have a lovely home next to a river, my hobbies are learning foreign languages, poetry, and fishing. Also making things out of wood. I made half of my furniture - tables, chairs, bookshelves, etc..
Also cooking. I've just made some delicious butternut squash soup, and baked some bread. Being an alcoholic doesn't necessarily mean that life is a shit.
Oh well, it's cold as fuck here. Winter. So I'm off to the river to give the ducks some bread that is stale. The fuckers go mental for bread.
>>7284482 When I'm in my home town I get drunk twice a week or so, and drink a couple of beers now and then too, but I have no problem cutting out alcohol when I want to. Since I go to university in a different town 500 km away, where I have no friends at all, I see no reason to drink, so I just don't.
>>7285600 You're doin good son. I haven't been sober for more than a month in the past 8 years, and I'm pretty sure I drank like every night of 2015. Drinkin right now before noon because I'm not working today. Classic.
I have been cutting my alcohol to parties for about a year now and even then managed to keep it so that I don't black out. But past few weeks there has been this rising urge to drink alone at home again. I have roommates so that makes it a little better but it is still there and I really don't like it. Drinking makes me really sick and I want nothing to do with it anymore.
Ques I need to try to find some weed soon to get my brain twists. I wish alcohol was illegal or at least harder to get.
>>7285789 I too drank every day of 2015. I need to go sober. I feel so much I better when I'm sober but I can't go a week without it. I'm not able to deal with stress well and I can't cope. It also makes medial tasks go by faster and helps loads socially. I've been drinking so long it's now a habit
>>7285836 In an (my) ideal world, the legality of weed and liquor would be swapped. And then swap weeds legal status for lsd.
On the subject of roommates, half of mine give me dirty looks (despite them having their own vices that make them less functional than I) and the other half leave me to my daily drinking without judgment.
>>7284711 Kek, sounds like me aside from the speed. I use percosets to take the edge off the xanax. Drink all night, pop xanax in the morning then percosets for brunch, smoke a bong after work before dinner, start drinking. Repeat.
>>7285107 I fucking hate AA because it ruined my ability to keep myself in denial. Now if I relapse I'm gonna know what's happening instead of being able to convince myself that I'll use in moderation.
>>7286052 I never really liked weed and opiates. I feel it overpowers the opiate high if it's more than a little pinch. Whenever I would shoot dope I'd smoke a little pinch bowl to keep me from puking as much. H always made me super nauseous even after like a year of use.
Almost died mixing xanax and dope. I remember hanging over the toilet because I was puking, and I woke up on the floor like 6 hours later.
I guess I fell on top of my arm and cut off the circulation, because I couldn't straighten out my wrist for months. I went to rehab with a kid who had really bad wrist drop; I guess his never straightened back out.
I used to be sober for almost 5 years but ever since my brother killed himself I've been drinking every day. How do you control yourself with hard liquor? I can only drink beers, at least with it I have some control. If I buy Vodka or Whisky I end up drinking my self to oblivion and always regret it.
I cant slow down. I work as a bar manager and my girlfriend works for a local brewery. There is always booze around me, always. I'll have a beer before work, several shots at work during the 10 hour shift, a shift beer at the end, and 3 or 4 beers when I get home so I can sleep. Thats a normal slow weekday, weekends I'm looking at 10-12 drinks a night. This has been going on for over three years now.
When I don't drink I get irritable, my jaw clenches, and I'm constantly thirsty. I drink seltzer to take the edge off.
I'm pretty sure I couldn't stop if I wanted to, which I don't. I'd find a way to get more booze, its not hard for me right now to get anything I want usually for free.
5 days clean. After falling on my face (I don't even remember.) sad-yay.wav
Have you heard of Dry January? It's a recent UK thing, but it may raise awareness about alcoholism, kinda like movember. The idea is to not drink for a whole month. http://www.dryjanuary.org.uk What do you think of it (for not as desperate people as me)?
2 weeks without a drop here. I cycle between beer>wine>spirits. Always ends up the same; me blacking out hard after a few times with spirits (especially whisky, can't get enough of it) and going back to beer in fear of blackouts. Stopped drinking for now because I got to get my shit together.
>>7286211 i'm just going to have a beer tonight and then get smashed tomorrow. alcohol usually helps me sleep, but i also always unintentionally stay up the night before big days, so it'd be a waste to drink too much when i probably won't be able to rest with it anyways
I've been drinking daily for two years. Heavily for 10. I'm 30. Started after my mom died.
Past two years I've been drinking roughly a pint of liquor a night. I was only sober 1 night in 2015, March 21 when my dog died (pic related)
A few months ago my dad's wife kicked him out and he moved in with me. He sleeps on the couch. I offered him my room but he doesn't want it. Were both drinkers. Shit sucks and we are always at each other's throats.
Last week we started fighting and I lost it, pulled a knife on him.
I broke down and decided to kill myself.
I figured a 750ml bottle of cheap whiskey, 120mg xanax, 30mg of kolonopin should do it.
This was it. I was done. I walked 5 miles to the liquor store. I had a lot of time to think. My mind was made up.
I get in the store, buy my shit, on my way out the owner says "you work"?
I hadn't worked in two years. I was ashamed. So I said yea, I do....painting.
He says "oh, we need someone to help around the store". I said I could do it.
So. I'm 3 days sober (feeling ok... Last time I went cold turkey I wound up having seizures in the hospital for a week) working 30 hrs a week at a liquor store. It's an easy as fuck job. I just keep shit looking nice, stock booze, and watch for niggers. I have a remote that locks the door if someone tries to run out of the store with booze, which according to the owner happens weekly.
>>7286330 >Anyone able to fix their sleep after quitting heavy boozing? I already was a shitty sleeper before I ever started drinking so I gues that didnt help
I got your back, bro. I'm three months sober, after being an alcoholic for years. I thought my sleep patterns were permanently fucked too, but I sleep like a baby now, and that's coming from someone who not only was an alcoholic, but a lifelong insomniac as well. I've always been a night owl, and insomniac, even as a child. I used to creep around my parents house at night while everyone was asleep, I'd check to make sure my parents were still breathing (childhood anxiety, anyone?), and go through my siblings stuff, and follow my brother around the house when he slept-walk. ANYWAY, I digress.... When I quit drinking, I obviously had trouble sleeping (although I had shitty sleep when I drank too, so I'd had years and years of bad sleep). To fix that, I started taking melatonin or benedryl about an hour before I wanted to go to bed, and also started going for long walks in the evening, at least 3-4 hours before I wanted to go to bed. That has helped tremendously. I don't take the melatonin anymore (taking melatonin for too long isn't good for you), but I do still go for the long walks. If you don't want to take melatonin, you can also take the benedryl. Benedryl will not only help you sleep, but a full dose (2 capsules) can also help with anxiety, so that right there may be very helpful to you. Eat healthy, exercise, and simple, non-habit forming meds can do for you. If that can help me, that can help anyone, because I was a fucking MESS of a human being. Anyway, I sleep great now, usually a full 7-8 hours a night.
Hey guys, know this isnt AA or some shit but basically: I'm 21 been drinking about 24 units a day for 3 years, trying to cut down because I'm in final year uni but I hate it and get really bad chest pains and anxiety if I'm sober for a day. I'm assuming it's hard to fuck yourself up at this age but I can't see myself stopping any time soon. Should I just end it?
>>7286364 An alcoholic literally saved from the verge of death by a bottle shop owner. That's almost poetic.
>>7286524 Yeah, it can be fast. Booze is shit for anxiety. The thing is, withdrawals gives anxiety for about a month. There are nice pills for anxiety, that don't fuck your body and your life... The first week is usually when you really feel like shit. If you don't have shakes or visions/nightmares, you may skip benzos. See a doctor. Be honest with him. Tell your friends you're doing Ramadam or that you got pregnant and you need their support.
how long should i wait before eating when i wake up hungover on whiskey? i try to eat something and i get a huge fucking crippling headache and i puke it out. i can't even drink water for a while cause that comes up too.
Then last night i had around 7 beers at home and a pitcher of beer at my local bar.
I puked all morning and am currently layimg on couch still feeling hungover af. Probably gonna just keep it to a couple beers with dinner few times a week, these hangovers are just getting worse and worse for me.
>>7288389 >why would a Russian drink absolut? Not always. Absolut just a good and inexpensive. I personally prefer whiskey. >wtf is that on your cutting board, it looks like coconut roll? This is called salo. Lard. Whit garlic. A popular appetizer. >wth is the yellow stuff Boiled potatoes with butter. >is that a wet pile of pie pastry in the corner? This called manti or pelmeni. Cooked meat in pastry with condiments.
>>7284749 Fuck man I'm kinda in the same boat. I use alcohol to self medicate my anxiety problems. I have to get at least buzzed to be able to go to any sort of social function. Really probably should go to a doctor and get a xanax prescription or something but I can't afford that shit right now. Fuck anxiety sucks.
>>7288150 It's pancreatitis, my friend. An ulcer would be a cakewalk compared to that. (and I should know, I've had both a bad ulcer AND alcoholic pancreatitis). If you've been drinking gin, on a bender, I guarantee it's your pancreas. I'm glad you stopped and had your gf pour it out. You need to get sober and stay sober, or you're going to wind up in the hospital like I did. And believe me, it's not fun, and it's extremely dangerous. A really bad case of pancreatitis can kill you (it sends your body into shock). Anyway, I've been sober for nearly a year now. Once you make it past the 2-3 month mark, it gets way easier. It's not that temptation is never there, but it gets a lot easier to say nope, not going to go there. Every once in awhile I have my moments where I really want a drink, usually when something is really stressing me out, but if I distract myself with exercise, or video games, or working on a project of some kind, it passes fairly quickly. Last week, I actually got so stressed out that I went and bought a six pack of beer, and just put it in my pantry for about six hours "in case". At the end of the day, I took it and gave it to my neighbor. That's the first time that's happened in 11 1/2 months. You get stronger over time, and your willpower will keep growing.
the worst thing about the hangover, i feel, is the jumpiness i get in my muscles. either i'm curling into myself and looking like a pathetic sort of wretch in my body language, or i have this wolf-life jumpiness and fiendish feeling. it's like my body is controlling my emotions as my muscles bounce around from relaxation and sickness into activity and urgency. it's monstrous. it scares people.
anyways, i'm trying to find my way back to who i was when i was 14, 15 years old, when things were still exciting. now that i'm old enough to do the things i always wanted to do, i need to honor that young little guy i used to be, when i was happier, not so heartbroken, jaded, cynical, and over life. just forget the alcohol aspect of it, because it becomes such an excuse to try to become someone new. no, i just want to remind myself of who i was before.
it's good to return to the person you once were and sometimes not such a good idea to try to keep transforming into someone new, or someone who constantly has to remind him/herself of their mistakes and past. remember, we were once people who had hope and passion and innocence. that person is still inside.
>>7288451 >It's pancreatitis, my friend. An ulcer would be a cakewalk compared to that. (and I should know, I've had both a bad ulcer AND alcoholic pancreatitis). If you've been drinking gin, on a bender, I guarantee it's your pancreas Get a load of this do/ck/tor. Seriously, this is like someone saying they pulled a muscle and someone else saying "It's cancer! I bet it's cancer! I should know because I've had cancer and pulled that exact muscle before I was diagnosed!"
Go to a real physician to get checked out if the pain lasts.
>>7288691 i know what you mean about that feeling. i hate when all my muscles feel tense as fuck, as though they need to twitch urgently but aren't quite there yet. i'm pretty sure it's a symptom of withdrawal and not a hangover. bear in mind that if you have suffered significant withdrawals before, you can suffer them again from a single drinking session. i drink heavily only a couple of times a month now, but i suffer withdrawals and need to taper off every time. this wouldn't happen had i never been a daily drinker.
>>7288763 So, according to you, abdominal pain + drinking gin = pancreatitis.
You have only one symptom here, and abdominal pain can be caused by a whole lot of things. Also, saying that drinking gin specifically is somehow a predictor of pancreatitis is insane. You might have experienced pancreatitis and your preferred drink might have been gin, but that still only means there was a correlation in your case. It doesn't mean gin invariably causes pancreatitis in every person who drinks it.
If the abdominal pain doesn't go away, go to a doctor. But don't let one anon who is somehow sure it's pancreatitis fuck with your mind before you get a professional's opinion. Good luck.
I'd been binging but mostly keeping it together for a while there but I'm right back into it now. Caning bottles of vodka to function, all the usual 'a bloo bloo bloo poor me' stuff. I've dried out before, I'll do it again I guess. Really quite worried about my health now but the music's good
>>7285620 I've begun focusing more on hobbies as it fills the time. Part of my drinking was not only to escape the crappy life that I knew was my fault but to cope with the boredom of an empty day.
I've begun cooking as I actually eat now, begun learning German as fuck it why not and finally begun walking. Just going for long walks to clear my head and rebuild some muscle that has fallen off me
>>7285789 Thanks man. Except for my new found sobriety it was every evening without fail. It's a big task but if you can get through a week and the shakes the following isn't as hard and so on. Then when you hit a month it's such a relief to know that you can do it. I afford myself one beer or cider on the weekends as both a reward and a test. I stopped myself buying more even though the cashier said they're 3 for £5
I think if I'm able to keep this going then there is hope for us all
i've pretty much successfully tapered down. i used to drink 750ml of cheap canadian whisky every day, now i'm drinking 6-8 bottles of beer a day. i can skip a few days and feel pretty normal, too. based me
>>7284482 >a handle of skol vodka lasts me two nights. >i typically stop during work for minis. >when i drink any booze now i get a horrible pain in my gut/chest >"you should stop drinking so much" - my wife >hide handles in garage, keeping a semi full one on fridge to seem like i'm not drinking as much >taking a break today, no minis. i had to drive by the store too... it was hard...
>>7288435 >I have to get at least buzzed to be able to go to any sort of social function
I feel like I can't even go to the corner store sometimes without a drink beforehand. Anything that requires leaving my house for more than an hour, I usually bring a flask. Typing that out depresses me.
Thanks for all of your concerns regarding my situation. I guess I'm, like, 33 hours sober. I have a doctor's appt scheduled for something else in about ten days, and I'll talk to him about it then.
Does anyone have success with AA? I was thinking about going to a meeting today. Just, you know, to have something to do and maybe get advice from other recovering alcoholics. I know they're cult-like and all, but that doesn't mean they can't help.
I've kicked it. I know I've kicked it. Fuck alcohol. today marks the day I've been sober for 1 year.
1 full fucking year. Not a bottle. Not a glass. Not a shot. Not a single fucking drop for 365 days. I have a job for the first time in forever. It's not glamorous but it's steady work. I don't hate just for waking up any more. I don't feel the need to run to a bottle whenever life gets heavy. I feel like I can solve issues without the need of a bottle.
>>7289485 >>7289499 Nothing wrong with trying AA, see if it works for you. I personally wouldn't wait another ten days if your symptoms (seemingly) bother you so much, but only you can judge that really. Maybe you'll feel better after a few more days sober. Hope you feel better soon. >>7289519 Congratulations!
Have any of you guys been able to go from alcoholics to someone who is able to just have one or two beers at dinner and call it quits? I'm going totally sober for a while to get over my problems, but don't want to live the rest of my life having to explain to everyone why I won't have a beer. I enjoy just having one casually with friends/family, but then usually end up drinking alone when I get home. I'd like to just be able to stop at one or two eventually
The last time I slowed down was a week or so ago. I told myself I'd take a break from drinking for a while, made it about 36 hours sober before I compulsively had a drink and then many more after it. It's becoming a pretty bad problem and I don't really know what to do about it.
Skipped all my classes today. About to drive to the grocery store, return my empties, and then get either a bunch of beer or like a liter of cheap-ass whiskey. Alcoholism is not glamorous, but when I'm drunk is the only time I feel like a real human being.
>>7289605 Oh, I know a lot of people who tried that. Then they stopped for good after failing miserably. OK, some rare people can. Maybe they have a willpower stronger than most of us. Maybe they weren't addicted and just brag/troll.
I know alcohol ends up being stronger. Every time. But I try again, and tomorrow will be the first sober week of my new life. Or maybe I'll die, meh.
>>7288338 It's always a lot if it is constantly. If you get reall drunk a couple times a year, eh it's fine. If you get drunk every other day, you are an alocoholic. The amount doesn't matter as much as the regularity.
Both of my parents are alcoholics. Guess what I became..
I should have been more clear. I meant intentionally making yourself throw up to avoid a more severe hangover. That is to say, waking up in the morning hung over, hunching down over the toilet bowl and poking at your uvula with your middle finger to trigger your gag reflex and then violently vomiting into said toilet bowl to drain your stomach contents from the evening prior.
>>7290489 >substitute for alcohol >sugar wtf man? sometimes kratom gets mentioned, it´s a little expensive and not a substitute, but it keeps me from drinking on weekdays. i still hit it hard every friday and saturday night but istopped drinking on these hungover sundays so i´m not totally fucked at work on mondays anymore
>>7288454 >The damned ill care about quality over quantity. This so much. I'm German and I only drink cheap ass shitty beer because taste don't matter after the second beer anyway. Fuck I even drink warm beer if I have to. Not proud of it but eh.
>>7289605 There are a lot of things you could say.
>muh gains/on a diet >used to drink quite a bit, got tired of it >doesn't agree with my stomach >gives me a headache >had too much years ago, don't like the taste now >new years resolution/health regimen
thats why i dont drink 1 or 2 beers cuz i know as soon as i go home im gona get rekt
so i try and hold out for atleast 1 or 2 days before i drink again doing whatever i need to do inbeetween to keep social
sometimes its easy, and some times well..
the worst this is when im like way to drunk to stop drinking before i pass out and this stupid idea creeps over me how i should stop and i just go to sleep feeling all good and the next day i just keep drinking..
>>7290655 this is so true many people say "don't drink every day or you'll become an alcoholic", that's not it though, I know lots of people who have a glass or two of wine with their dinner every day but that's not the problem
the real problem is not being able to stop after those 2 glasses and downing 3 bottles instead, happened to me again tonight, one beer with my dinner turned into 12 beers up till now and I know I won't be able to sleep until I have a couple more
>>7290903 Just get nicer beer. You get the craft shit, you have to portion it out to last the week. I've got a huge white board on my wall to plan out my college schedule. It's more immediate and real than a schedule on my phone. I plan out how much I can afford and how much I can drink every day. Keeps me to 3 beers a day most days and I really enjoy those three beers. Some days I won't have any at all because I put my fixed be budget into a night out with friends/family at an indie wrestling thing or band or whatever.
Much better than pounding rum and diet cokes while feeling miserable about how I do nothing with myself. I love studying at night with a beer as my reward and a beer with good music while working on my homework really relaxes me.
Also switched to a nice ecig with very tasty flavors to get off the American spirits. I use real low nicotine but vapor constantly while working on hw.
Definitely feel like a more successful and productive person while still enjoying my beer instead of a piece of shit pounding down a handle of sailor jerry every three days.
>>7290973 I did this with spirits for a while. Made sure I only bought decent stuff so I would be compelled to not waste it. Eventually I started drinking it like it was cheap, anyway. Then I started stocking cheap crap to fall back on to avoid wasting the good stuff.
>>7290620 And this post simply isn't true. This is an outdated way of thinking, thanks mostly to AA. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with AA, and it has helped a LOT of people. But it is not for everybody.
There are other forms of treatment besides "you're an alcoholic for life". Some people need to think that way, and it works for them. But again, it's not for everybody.
>>7288818 You're an idiot. You are inserting things that were never said. I never once said GIN specifically and only causes pancreatitis. And, I'm WELL aware that abdominal pain can be caused by a host of things, he could have any number of problems. But I also know enough about alcoholism, ulcers, pancreatitis, GERD, anatomy and physiology, and the effects of binging on hard liquor. IF the anon were to only follow my advice, he would be stupid, since the ONLY reliable way to be diagnosed is to see a doctor. My posts were not meant to treat anyone, but to forewarn him not to assume it's an ulcer, and that it very well could be something much more dangerous. Most people aren't even aware of alcoholic pancreatitis, unless they've known someone with it, have had it themselves, or are a doctor. You can try and argue about this, but you're just being an ass.
>>7289499 Just get to the doctor. Belching, bloating, and acid reflux are also symptoms of pancreatitis (especially bloating with the pain). I'm NOT diagnosing you (like the other anon assumes) I just want to keep people from going through the hell that is being hospitalized with pancreatitis, which if you are a hard liquor drinking alcoholic, you have a high chance of getting. Just go get checked out before something worse happens.
>>7290992 I'm with you on this. Alcoholism is a behavioral disorder (if you're into the whole DSM thing). And like most behavioral disorders, it's only a disorder if it interferes with your life. http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-use-disorders Here's the list of symptoms for alcoholism/AUD. If you meet two of them within a 12-month period, congrats! You're an alcoholic. Did you meet all 11 of them five years ago but haven't met a single one of them since then? Most psychologists would be extremely hesitant to diagnose you with AUD. I have a couple of friends who used to have a real issue with drinking: getting blackout drunk at least once a week, letting it mess up work/school, etc; and now they just drink a couple beers every few weeks at parties.
>>7284482 Got fired from my kitchen job on Monday night for drinking while on the clock. Been there almost 2 years, this fucks my whole life up. Drinking and filling out job apps for other restaurants, debating on suicide.
>>7291014 You can be aware of the down ward slide and use self control. Getting from 230 lbs to 125 lbs took more time and effort than cutting down my daily drinking. Lifting weights and planning schedules for myself for years gave me the tools necessary to stop drinking 2.5 handles of high proof liquor a week and at least 2 six packs of high abv beer. Alcoholism runs rampant in my family and guess what? Food addiction was harder to control than alcohol addiction.
This learned helplessness that addicts accept is ridiculous. Don't the programs always say it's a choice at the end of the day? A self aware person has the power if choice.
Willpower works just like a muscle. You have to exercise it to make it stronger.
>>7291071 I don't know why some restaurants make a big deal about this. You're not operating heavy machinery. As long as you're consistently keeping up with everything you need to, they should turn a blind eye.
>>7291072 Also gonna toss in there that the mental health community (at least, outside of AA, which, while beneficial, I wouldn't consider mental health care), they have a focus on using "people-first" language and avoiding using labels as they're debilitating towards improving lives. So we wouldn't say, "Alcoholics need help." We would say, "People with alcohol use disorder need help." I feel like this reflects the fact that people with AUD aren't necessarily going to have that problem their entire lives.
>>7291071 I'm gonna toss it out there and guess that you probably have a drinking problem and should consider getting help. Regardless, I'm sorry to hear about that. It must be awful. I hope things get better soon for you.
>drank heavily as a kid to repress abusive childhood >drinking picks up heavily at twenty when mother kills herself >still can't stop >when drinking always reach a point where i think about traums/mother's death
>>7291230 A couple weeks ago, my roommate brought home some peach schnapps he got for a birthday present. He gave me a shot of it and it was so good I didn't want to just throw back the shot. I have nothing good to mix with in my dorm so I improvised and poured in about two shots of milk and a half shot of half and half. It sounds weird as shit, but I'd definitely do it again for a post-meal desert.
Drambuie might work out. You're supposed to use Scotch in rusty nails, but I find any whiskey works fine. It's my default method of using up rubbish whiskey when I have no soda water. I've never tried using Southern Comfort.
There's also soda water, of course. Hydrating, no sugar, and dilutes any unpleasant flavors.
>>7291091 I get that. It's the learned helplessness that bothers me. You get what I'm saying?
Natural selection still takes place sadly. It's the ones suffering through their weaknesses and wallowing in addictions until they wither or grow diseased (obesity, some forms of diabetes, liver disease, you know what I'm saying) and never truly understand that they are the ones who must choose to take control.
It sounds harsh but I seen and heard too many cases. Couldn't handle being in emergency health care after a few years. Went to school planning to work in an obesity clinic but the incredible delusion of the suicidally indulgent was too much for me. Decades of unhappiness and suffering, a story told in a glance by the state of the persons decay.
I study rocks now. Geologists are all about beer and hard work. Good times.
>>7291151 You've associated drinking with avoiding your emotional issues. You'll still think of them since that was the source of your avoidance in the first place. It's up to you to quit the cycle and move on with your life. Your past doesn't control you. Part experiences don't control your future. With time they're more of a concept, an idea instead of reality, unless you let them control your reality.
At least that's what I did. Also had abusive childhood. Used exercise to escape, switched to weed at 19, then to booze at 21.
Associated weed with stress and had nothing but panic while smoking. Beer helped me quit weed and I've since decided that past experiences can't dictate my future.
Get help. AA is shit. Find a very good therapist. It takes a lot of effort to get a good one but they exist. Insist on having a face to face conversation with them before scheduling an appointment.
I want to stop drinking for awhile. Been a horrible drunk as of recently. I have a lot of beer and booze stock piled, I think I should sell it and keep myself occupied with other things. Just trying to keep it together right now, but damn its been boring.
>>7291037 >You're an idiot. Let's see if that's true: >You are inserting things that were never said. I never once said GIN specifically and only causes pancreatitis. Not in those words, no, but you said this which directly implies it: > If you've been drinking gin, on a bender, I guarantee it's your pancreas But seeing as you came to your senses and essentially restated my replies to you in this post, I'll let it slide. >You can try and argue about this, but you're just being an ass. You 'guaranteed' someone they have pancreatitis on the basis of their report of abdominal pain. Get real.
So I can say that i have some experience with constant boozing for a couple of years now. I have always liked booze because I get in touch with my feelings that I need to hide every day from the crowd around me. Interesting is that I never feel sick after drinking, I only have real craving for any kind of food and sour milk.
The reason why I can not stop boozing is the day after. Then I realize what I am doing to me and people that I love, so I drink to forget. It is a part of my life now and it does not interfere with work or any social life that I might have. I feel fine
I quit nearly a year ago. I was afraid that not much would change, and it hasn't.
Alcohol wasn't helping, but I guess it wasn't the problem. The problem is me, and there isn't much to be done about that. I've tried.
The few things that I can say without a doubt have been improvements haven't mattered. Ive lost weight, I get good sleep, my anxiety has for the most part disappeared, but it's all still the same, and it's all still the same because the things that are important are things I've either never had or fucked up. I'm still an awkward friendless loser except now I don't drink.
>>7284499 >Tfw kinda enjoy the anxiety of the hangover I guess I'm one those weird people that deal addiction in a better way than others. I have a competitive streak so when the anxiety comes i enjoy the challenge of beating it
>>7286138 A lot of people say "how do i stop drinking 'alcohol of choice'" the answer is you just have to not drink it. It's hard as fuck I know but it's only objective answer. Most people never actually stop because they want to, all that happens is they ruin their life hard enough that they'd prefer to enjoy life than drink. That's the shitty reality of it. Gotta hit rock bottom
>>7291014 Your attitude isn't exactly helping either. You refuse to admit that there is more than one way of treating and addiction, and the more research that comes put in modern medicine, the more it is understood
>>7292613 man i know exactly what you mean. i take breaks sometimes and the anxiety is nuts for like the first week. then it starts to disappear and i kinda miss it in a way, hard to explain. then i start drinking again.
These threads make me wonder how many people I see IRL are bad alcoholics like you guys. Is /ck/ just a magnet for crippled drunks or are there a ton of us floating around unnoticed in the real world? There are so many here, but other than myself I don't know anyone with a big problem.
Who knows? It's don't ask, don't tell kinda thing in real life. People struggle - I thought getting money was the answer, I just buy better drink and drugs, I think some people are prepositioned to like drink and drugs because we need instant pleasure. Fuck life and tomorrow, and that's why I cook Hierarchy,1- Fucking 2 - Cooking - 3 Drinking
>>7291688 Tolerance wise, 6 months or so of drinking pint a day will start to feel like 2 shots does now. You get home from work, have about 3 or 4 swigs in an hour and the pint is gone. You don't feel drunk, and goddamn, who cuts off their drinking at 6:30pm? Since you start to feel like a weirdo going to the liquor store every day, you buy 3 or 4 points at a time and start doing into the 2nd one.
Took me a few months to build up a tolerance to the second pint, but I did. It was different though. At the end of the night I'd feel the same level of drunk, but I would be clumsy as fuck. Slurred speech, occasionally fall down, very annoying forgetfulness to the point it was noticable (a guy I worked with everyday announced he was getting divorced, 2 weeks later I had no idea... Hard to explain that sort of shit, lot different than losing your car keys).
Lot of health problems started up soon after. All the while I still went about feeling like normal people do after 3 beers, but from neurological, gastrointestinal, and hepatic standpoint, my body acted as if I was consuming a near-lethal dose of poison each and every day.
My advice: don't let you tolerance and sense of feel good determine what is unsafe. 2 pints of booze is still a fifth and that's a lot.
>>7284482 >When is the last time you slowed down? when i crashed and flipped my car. i stopped for a day or two, but got back on it, lighter than usual. im back to a daily routine to help me sleep, lesser dosage. i just want to feel comfortable again.
3 days ago since I binged on a liter of vodka, 6.5L of red wine and a case of beer for 5 days. Literally drank myself broke and had to ask my parents for money. Barely napped a few hours last night for the first time in 2 days and am sensitive to light. I'm going to try to quit, I start my first job Monday since I lost the last one to alcohol.
>>7292599 Same here bro. Stopped drinking, because my health and general well being was starting to be affected. >lost weight >anxiety nearly gone, only when there's something that really stresses me out >sleep very well >eat much healthier >walk at least 5 miles a day >physically more attractive because my hair and skin and look better as well >still friendless, socially isolated, non-achieving loser. >mfw
>>7294670 im not gonna explain it. its not being drunk that got me to crash it, it was being to relaxed and trying to do other shit while driving. and 1l of vodka is pretty average in my opinion for an alcoholic
Yeah, I was lit. Not really hungover. Maybe a little groggy on Saturday morning, but that's about it.
I can go weeks or months without drinking and then I'll have a few days like that. I enjoy getting drunk desu. I could see how it would go south really quickly, but luckily I can always pull back and go back to exercising/running etc.
I read somewhere if you stop drinking for a month your body pretty much completely recovers.
>>7294573 I actually drive better tipsy than I do sober. I have a narrow driveway which I have trouble backing out of, and have scraped the fence quite a few times, but when tipsy I can get out with not trouble whatsoever. Once I'm fully drunk it starts to get pretty bad, though.
>>7294652 >drinking too damn much >start to get your shit together >realize your accomplishments are about as intangible as sitting in a cave drinking >come back to the neurotangibilities of downing booze
>>7295220 Most definitely, doesn't give your brain the hours it needs to achieve homeostasis.
May be better, in the relative sense, to abstain during work and then binge after.
Of course, with drinking like that instead of binging, it is easier to ween yourself off and become a moderate drinker. With binge drinking, the further you get, your only options are drinking and absence.
>>7295220 I agree with these two >>7295236 >>7295241 When I would just get drunk at night, I would be fine the next morning, if maybe a bit hungover. But once I started drinking during the day, even just a bit to maintain a slight buzz throughout the day, that's when I started becoming physically addicted and would get withdrawals if I stopped. Keep it to nights if possible
>>7295241 I was a highly functioning alcoholic for years before I started day drinking, my rule used to be never to drink before sundown. Day drinking didn't immediately fuck me up but yea, things definitely got worse relatively quickly. Within a year I was some level of not completely sober 24/7 and would start my day with a shot, at the end I started with two. Sometimes I'd wake up in the middle of the night and take shots and forget about it so that one shot in the morning would really fuck me up.
>>7295251 This. When I was only night drinking I was mentally addicted for sure but it wasn't physical. If I had to visit family or go on a trip I wouldn't have withdrawals, I'd maybe have a little trouble going to sleep and would have liked a drink. I didn't get physically dependent until I started day drinking. It just isn't worth it at all, that whole year was a living hell. You don't really enjoy drinking at that point because your so used to being buzzed you can't tell a difference until you stop drinking for a few hours, and the withdrawals are hellish.
I only really started drinking heavily at the end of september 2015 but I haven't been sober for a single day since then. I fucked up my sleeping schedule by going to sleep at 7-8 am and waking up at 4-5pm. Also I'm just too scared to go outside or talk to people unless its for buying more booze. I drink about 700ml of vodka/gin/rum a day or ~20 cans of cider if I dont have any liquor. I want to quit someday but its just too difficult, also I haven't been to uni since mid october. ;_;
Jesus christ, drinking vodka after the days done but I'm well past the point where it helps me sleep. Alcohol is no longer a depressant in that sense and it's shit, I hate it. How do you ween off bros, how do you stop this fucking cycle of shit and insanity
I can't find my answer as to why. No amount of psychedelics or meditations have revealed anything to me. Why do we kill ourselves in this way, this absolutely shitty way
>>7295600 >I want to quit someday but its just too difficult
Trust me dude, it's worth it. The first 2 or 3 days suck, and you'll feel like shit and probably won't sleep much, but after that it feels so good. It's amazing waking up and not feeling hung over or foggy
Alcohol pizza driver here. I drink one to two pints of vodka a day. I've been sober almost 24 hours. It's hell, but I've had withdrawals far worse than the ones I'm having now, so that's a comforting thought
why do I always feel more drunk after the first 2 shots than later after drinking 10 more? when I start drinking I feel pretty disoriented and come off as pretty drunk but even when I continue drinking as fast as I can no one is able to tell I drank anything some time later unless I'm completely shitfaced
Well, that would be true, if it wasn't for the fact that I'd already been on that cycle for so long, that I know the consequences. This time, I'm sticking with sobriety, because even as a friendless, non-achieving loser, I'm still a much better person now than I was when I was a sickly, non-functional alcoholic. The really shitty part of this is that the few people I do talk to are the same alcoholics I talked to when I was also a shitty alcoholic, and now that gets unbearable, but I can't quit talking to them, because then I'd have no one to talk to at all. And, I'm not in complete despair over my loser-at-life status (at least, not all the time, lol). I'm still a work in progress, hopefully things will get better in the next couple of years. I need to find hobbies and things that really interest me to work on, whereas when I was an alcoholic, the only thing I worked on was being drunk as much as possible.
if you've been at it for a long time that's bad news. eventually you start losing the ability to process it properly, giving the illusion of low tolerance and that feeling that the first one gets you drunk
>>7298373 feeling bretty gud. Had two more shots of captain morgan. Think I'm just going to mix the white rum with soda, might try mixing the spiced rum after that runs out. Got small bottles of both instead of 1 big bottle of vodka.
Thanks, that's reasssuring. I like to think I've slowed down a little, considering my rommates have told me my alcohol use is abundant and my doctor pointing out my elevated ALT enzymes from the liver.
The only withdrawals I've gotten are irritability and a disruption to my usual sleeping patterns. Hopefully they stay that way, cheers
>>7297338 Yes, all the time. I always have 6-pack remnants in the fridge and think I will run out, so I grab one or two more. Then either don't get through the remnants, or find a forgotten 6 pack in the back of the fridge. There's probably 17 cans in the fridge right now, and 7 bottles of craft beer. Some of the craft was bought well over a year ago.
I feel weird if I don't visit the liqour store once a day, whether or not it's needed. Also feel weird that the liqour people see me every day. They know.
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