>>7274164 >wisconsin essentially half the size of italy >in a country that is like 30 times the size of italy you can't really blame anyone for not knowing about american things when few american products get sent out to the rest of the world
>>7274566 Then why does McDonald's exist everywhere? Also what does this have to do with anything? American cheese is a variety of processed cheese, the higher end ones consisting of simply a good cheddar and an emulsifier.
>>7275112 I like that cold, smooth squeakyness of fresh ones more than the crunch of fried ones. >>7275114 Only one place cries about Wisconsin as much as you do. And that's Minnesota. Are you from Minnesota?
>>7275114 Keep in mind that Wisconsin makes both most of America's mediocre cheddar and pizza grade Mozzarella, as well as most of they higher quality cheese from the mundane to the weird (what other state even has a farm that makes limburger? let alone does it really fucking well) Just because your anecdotal process cheese is from Wisconsin doesn't change the fact that most of America's good cheese comes from there too
>>7274363 >2013: no one outside of Wisconsin has ever seen spotted cow and it's the best thing ever according to WIDF >2016: cat's out of the bag, now you WIDF renounces it but some shit no one has heard of is now the best Kind of like this mythical "real artisan Wisconsin cheese" that conveniently never leaves the state :^)
>>7275114 Umm... no? The taxes involved to sell out of state cause some specialty cheese shops and breweries to only sell in state. New Glarus Spotted Cow is arguably the most drunk beer in the state, and they don't export it anymore. (Actually, last year there was a "beers from across the country" 12 pack that some company put together which it was a part of, but that's the exception to the rule).
>>7275142 >>2013: no one outside of Wisconsin has ever seen spotted cow and it's the best thing ever according to WIDF This is called a strawman. Its where you make up a false argument that no one you are whining at ever even suggested,
>>7274390 >>7274388 >>7274195 >>7274167 The insecurity is palpable. Why on a board of supposed food enthusiasts is there so much paranoia about good food that isnt American. It's okay not to be great at things other countries have done much longer. Stop depriving your tastebuds because of outdated "Muh America" meme
>>7275142 >>7275155 >there is only one person from wisconsin, and only one opinion on how beers taste
You dense? I like spotted cow, but as a smooth session ale. If you are going more for flavor that can pair with food you can try some of their Moon Man IPA, or a darker Sprecher beer. A lot of breweries here, and pretty much every gas station has at least two doors of craft beer.
If you ever visit, go to a Woodman's. It's like an alcoholic's Mecca.
>>7275196 yeah, Woodmans is the GOAT Moon Man is definitely an elite APA, i'd take it over Spotted Cow in any situation. Wisconsin is most likely the best place in the country to shop for good beer with the excellent local beer, and probably the best selection of out of state beer anywhere in the country, and super low prices
>>7275196 >mountains of shitty bricks of brick beer and $14.99 handles of mystery liquor I think I'd rather go to my elitist coastie liquor store that has everything I could ever want along with "homeless corner" where the stuff that's in your picture gets segregated (near the register)
>>7275388 >the state of Wisconsin represents the entire United States of America and anyone who doesn't think plastic garbage cheese is the best thing ever wants to destroy America and has literally never even set foot here WIDF please leave
>>7275385 Woodmans has a huge and cheap selection of both great beer and cheap beer. Not sure why the guy chose that picture but they are legitimately an amazing store for craft beer. They probably have a better selection of good beer than any store in driving distance of you
>>7275393 >the good stuff Yep. It even comes with the mandatory self-awarded award (note the WIDF seal which certifies that this "cheese" company complies with all the required self-certification standards to declare itself #1 in all the world)
>>7275402 I don't need a better selection of good beer within driving distance of me. My beer selection is fine. Maybe instead of 20,000 additional microbreweries to sort through, your stores could do their job and taste the shit in the bottles. Then you could have say, 100 great beers that actually matter, and then you wouldn't have to wade through heaps of garbage.
>>7275412 Yes, those mysterious cheeses that never leave wisconsin, until they do and when someone doesn't like it, you didn't like it anyway and now THIS mystery cheese that doesn't exist is good and we've probably never heard of it.
Maybe it's just time for you to accept that obscure <> good
>>7275413 Woodmans in all likelihood has more and better beer than you have access too. These are not mutually exclusive and in the vast majority of cases, places with the largest variety of selection also have the best choices
>>7275415 You absolutely did. And you're the only one getting upset here, WIDF. Daily reminder that whatever your giant cheese factory manager told you, the only people buying your product are Sysco-tier companies making food for prisoners, high school students, and the bedridden.
>>7275421 I live in minnesota and buy small batch cheese from Wisconsin all the time. They really do make great stuff, and have a ton of variety. Not the same person you're replying to btw, just throwing in my two cents
>>7275426 A man can only drink so much beer. I'm fine with the hundreds of beers I have access to, dozens of which are perfectly fine. I don't need another ten thousand boxes of Leinenkugel Seasonal Raspberry Lager.
>>7275433 Maybe to you. Remember that people who grew up eating good cheese from the coasts and europe understand that strong flavors, visible mold, and irregular texture are not manufacturing defects. >>7275440 To be honest family, I've had better cheese from Minnesota than anything I've had from Wisconsin. You have this company called Alemar Cheese, it's not easy to find on the coast but it is completely unlike anything coming out of flyover land. It could easily pass for a coastal cheese.
>>7275451 >that strong flavors, visible mold, and irregular texture are not manufacturing defects. Wisconsin literally makes the vast majority of America's cheese in such styles
It really seems like you are delusional and have completely made up a concept of what Wisconsin and the midwest in general are like fully not based in reality. I have no fucking clue where you get most of this shit
>>7275469 >Wisconsin literally makes the vast majority of America's cheese in such styles Dipping something in batter and deep frying it isn't what I meant, senpai.
I "get most of this shit" from living in America, contrary to your belief that I'm from France. I lived next door to Wisconsin for a couple of years and I've visited the state on multiple occasions. It's called having perspective.
>>7275461 >I doubt that store has anything I'm looking for You literally just said your liquor store only has a small basic selection and you are just fine with that, now you say a place with a better selection probably doesn't have what you are looking for? and I have no clue what this mystery liquor stuff you are talking about is about. We were talking about beer, and what is mysterious about liquor?
>>7275479 >You literally just said your liquor store only has a small basic selection That isn't what I said at all >now you say a place with a better selection probably doesn't have what you are looking for? Larger selection <> Better selection
>>7275476 Yeah you have lived in 20 states and europe and have a great high school education, you just decided to make random shit up afterwards and convinced yourself it was true. Most of these things you state have never before been stated by another person
>>7275452 Don't bother, he's just being contrarian for the sake of it to the point of looking ridiculous.
And that pic was chosen at random. Think of the size of a grocery store (excluding freezer, fresh meat, deli, and fresh produce departments), but filled completely with beer, wine, booze, bitch drinks, liqueurs, and cocktail ingredients. That's the Woodman's liquor department.
>>7275485 >Larger selection <> Better selection It usually does with beer as breweries give more of their best stuff to good liquor stores. Woodmans is pretty much as good as a craft beer store gets from both quality and variety as well has having extremely low prices. I genuinely wish one was closer to me
There is almost 0 chance that anything you can drive to has better beer than Woodmans
>>7275503 My neighborhood liquor store comes out on "best in America" lists in wine and food industry publications every year.
I've been to some of the best liquor stores in the midwest - Surdyks in the Twin Cities and multiple locations of Binny's in Chicago. Surdyk's was still not that impressive, Binny's was passable but not great.
I seriously doubt anything in Wisconsin can even come close to either of those, let alone what I have access to.
>>7275518 >My neighborhood liquor store comes out on "best in America" lists in wine and food industry publications every year. Sure it does Wisconsin almost certainly has access to a better selection of beer than your state, plus probably has lower beer taxes
>>7275527 But I don't need a better selection of beer. If I have 100 great beers within easy reach, what's the point of more? Beer is pretty much linear. A well rounded liquor store has everything. Not just $12.99/gallon mystery liquor and exactly 12 bottles of wine.
How many kinds of sancerre rouge does Woodmans have? How many different kinds of nama sake arrive each spring? Can I get a good variety of St. Laurent? Blauburgunder? Any unoaked rioja? Japanese single malt? Maybe Wisconsin has changed a lot since my last visit but I seriously doubt it.
>>7275559 >A well rounded liquor store has everything. Not just $12.99/gallon mystery liquor What are you even referring to with this? You keep saying it but I don't get it >and exactly 12 bottles of wine. They have quite a large wine selection, but I not one of you wine guys so I couldn't speak to its quality > If I have 100 great beers within easy reach, You may have a few great beers, but you could very likely find several hundred even better ones at Woodmans. You surely have never experienced anything of this quality
>>7275559 Okay, now you're just being ignorant. This picture is one of the corners where they have wine. They also have entire aisles of red wine and white wine. Then distinct aisles devoted to different gin, different whiskey, different vodka, etc. Like I said, they have some behind-the-counter shit, but probably not too many $200+ bottles, as it would not be very profitable to keep an inventory of them.
Either way, you can stop posting now, because you've demonstrated that you don't know what you're talking about and are just being contrarian.
>>7275569 >What are you even referring to with this? You keep saying it but I don't get it You believe quantity = quality
There are people whose jobs it is to (in some cases) taste and (in all cases) purchase merchandise according to the store's clientele.
The guys who do this at my liquor store travel the world, meeting with up and coming, obscure, and established world renowned producers and bringing back great stuff that would be hard to find at an ordinary store. If I spot something I haven't tasted, I can have a reasonable level of confidence that a guy I trust tasted it and thought it was good. Aside from the bottles in "homeless corner" which exist because there are out of control alcoholics in every neighborhood and hey, they've got to buy liquor too.
The guys who do this at Woodman's apparently believe everyone is an out of control alcoholic and I'm sure 80% of the store looks like my store's "homeless corner".
I'm not interested in walking past aisle after aisle of crap. I am interested in aisle after aisle of interesting, high quality merchandise. Which is why I like my store.
>>7275581 >They also have entire aisles of red wine and white wine >yellow tail >little penguin >"tisdale" whatever the fuck that is (probably even worse than the other two) What's in the gin section? Beefeater and seagram's?
Btw, every store, even in the ghetto, has $200+ bottles of something. That doesn't mean anything. Expensive doesn't mean quality.
>>7275608 You know, it would help if you had any idea what you're talking about. It's a warehouse store full of liquor. Because the company is shit at uploading pictures that would hit on google images, you are suddenly an expert and know more than people who have actually been there?
Seven aisles, filled both sides. Two front corners with more pallets of wine and cocktail liqueurs/fixins. Entire outside is fridge section with everything from microbrews to malt liquor. But okay, it must all be shit.
>>7275611 You can keep repeating yourself while posting images that support my (admittedly hastily drawn) conclusions, or you can just admit that your idea of "quality" and mine just might differ a little.
Honestly part of me kind of hoped you were going to post a picture showing a badass selection of awesome drinks, but it's actually *worse* than I thought.
>>7275638 Ok, fine, maybe there's this one aisle that has a badass selection. You got me there.
But I have never been to a liquor store with big hanging signs offering deep discounts on piss beer and handles of mystery liquor, where there was a special section of actually awesome stuff. More like 1 or 2 bottles of something that I'd drink under duress, and everything else is mildly disturbing. Like wow, maybe they have Laphroaig 10 or Hendricks or a bottle of some random Louis Jadot Chablis that wasn't resting next to a radiator for six months. That's what they keep in the "fancy" part of the store, is that a pretty safe guess?
>>7275641 >if you can't google better pictures, then it doesn't exist
Umm... okay? You see the general division of bottles on the shelves, well put on your big boy cap and extrapolate that to the amount of shelf space stated in the previous post. And in all of those multitudes of thousands of bottles, there are no goods ones. Is that what you would have me, a person who has actually been there, to believe and be convinced of by you, a contrarian who has no idea what he's talking about?
Well, jolly good show 'ol bean!
By the way, this is proof that whoever's doing their photos doesn't know what they're doing. I tried combing through two albums just to find one single long-shot of, say, the whiskey aisle and it doesn't exist. >https://www.woodmans-food.com/liquor/
>>7275673 Doesn't even look like a handle to me. But I mean are you only calling it mysterious because you cannot read the label? You are talking as tough it is some strange product when its just some normal liquor
>>7275671 >wow we have aisles of blue nun, lindeman's, and little penguin! Yeah, no thanks >>7275663 Ok, that's an above average beer selection by my standards, so if I lived in Wisconsin I'd have a wide variety of beer and beer only. But we already knew that.
>>7275685 No, it's not a handle, you are correct on that point, I was wrong. I clicked, glanced briefly, and drew some conclusions that were slightly off technically, but essentially accurate. >normal liquor Kind of like the so-called "normal food" of Wisconsin fame. Protip: this isn't a good thing.
>>7275705 First, the symbol you're looking for is "!="
Second, this is all boiling down to "If you can't google image search it, it doesn't exist!" instead of two people who have actually been inside and shopped there going, "No dude, you're completely off base."
Fuck off, I'm going to go get ready for the Packers.
>>7275705 >And what looks to be about a 50/50 mix of real beer and shitbeer. Who cares how much shit beer there is when 50% craft beer leaves them with several hundred percent more craft beer than most liquor stores? Its not dedicated to craft beer obviously, its a massive place designed for volume, its what lets them have such a good selection and amazing prices
>>7275713 != is deprecated pradeep >instead of two people who have actually been inside and shopped there going, "No dude, you're completely off base." These are people who post pictures of pallets of little penguin and wall to wall crates of schlitz to refute my claim that the store specializes in bulk quantities of shit-tier alcohol. Whatever claims they make about me being "off base" were invalidated by that.
>>7275726 >he store specializes in bulk quantities of shit-tier alcohol it is not specialized, its thing is it has a ton of space and enough customers to stock all sorts of things, so whether you like good stuff, or cheap stuff you will have a better selection and lower prices than pretty much anywhere else
This discussion is really making me want to go, even though the closest one is probably half an hour from me. might have to go tomorrow
>>7275724 It's called "being flyover", and the only interaction with people from other countries is on television. Kind of like Wisconsinites and Midwesterners in general, they have no perspective on anything outside of their bubble. I would've said southerners but that's obvious.
I did an impromptu beer tour across Europe. Mostly the beer was good but not enough ABV. I ventured upon cheese by happenstance. I redirected my focus and established my goal as beer and cheese.
The Europoors have the best cheese in the world. However, Wisconsin cheese is fantastic. I'm American and I do not like to say something is better than us but I suppose if something is, it ought to be cheese.
>>7280671 just because it is called cheese doesn't mean it technically is cheese. curds are not fermented, hence the missing taste. OP referred to cheese, and cheese is fermented and grown-ups eat "molds" cheese.
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