Does any one else like eating pho? I never go to restaurants and order soup, but this is my favorite dish. Would you try it out?
pho was chosen to be one of 2015's top meme foods, and advanced future memetics metrics are projecting it to keep its meme status for 2016
It's also one of the only foods I can think of that is both a meme food, and is also fedora tier.
For these reasons, and these reasons alone I stay away from it
My grandfather didn't fight in the jungle so we could all eat zipperhead food, anon.
>It's also one of the only foods I can think of that is both a meme food, and is also fedora tier.
Who's going to explain it for him?
If you're going to be racist at least get it right to avoid making all racists look like you(aka fucking retard)
>artificial beef flavor
>fish sauce (fucking vietniggers put this shit in everything)
>beef that's either too raw or too cooked
>sliced beef that sticks back together
Love pho, but can't make it for shit. I've tried to make the broth on several occasions but it never comes out like it does in the restaurants. I've tried adjusting my star anise quantity who knows how many times but it always comes out too strong and not smelling quite right. I eventually switched over to using Chinese five spice; it's less potent and tastes just a little better, but it's still not coming out like restaurant quality pho does.
>Is pho popular? Yeah, because it's good. Good food is popular. Get the fuck over it.
No senpai, the new found popularity would make it meme tier. My city didn't have a single pho restaurant until a few years ago. Now I pass three on the way to work. That is why pho is meme tier. You're an idiot if you don't believe in meme magic, and pho is profiting off of said magic
The reason why it is fedora tier food, is because of the pronunciation issue where the "foe" and "fa' come into play. Also, anything weeb related tends to have a strong correlation with fedora culture. If I were to see a man wearing a fedora in the street, chances are he's eating pho in the last week.
That's not a 'meme', you idiot. That's a previously unpopular food getting more popular as more people discover it. You know, like a natural fucking thing for humans to do.
It's also pronounced 'fah' because that's how the fucking vietnamese pronounce it and it's a vietnamese food, it has nothing to do with neckbeards or fedoras.
It's like talking to a brick wall. Next you're gonna tell me "get out of here fedora retard memer lol"
i love pho but it's really hard to find the good shit
most of the popular places where i love at least have over cooked noodles or serve warm broth what makes it disgusting
there used to be 2 good places near me and now i have to drive to get good pho even though there are at least 4 within walking distance
yuppies and their shit taste, man
I can tell I'm arguing with a handicapped person, so I will not be insulting you. I will just try to teach you. You see, unpopular food getting more popular as people discover it would be a much more linear growth curve. Yes, this is natural, just like that extra chromosome that nature gave you.
I don't care how other countries pronounce their items. Next you're going to tell me that coriander leaves are "cilantro". Actually, you probably don't know spanish, and thats ok, because you're special.
I know you're not supposed to be near brick walls, which explains the helmet you have to wear when you leave the house,because of that one accident.
Also, I would never call you a "fedora retard", because I know your people don't like that word. That's like calling a black a nigger
>unpopular food getting more popular as people discover it would be a much more linear growth curve
No, that is literally not how it works. Word of mouth and trends are an exponential growth curve, just like how pho was and still is.
But keep posting your "le memes xdddd go back to reddit u fedora" because that gives you tons of 4chan cred.
So are you trying to justify your misuse of the term "meme", or are you attempting to justify your ignorance of what it actually means?
I have a friend who uses the term "meme" to refer to reaction images. He literally thinks that's what the word means. He's not very bright.
My vietnamese friend's mom makes pretty good pho from scratch. I can't vouch for the MSG content though. I wouldn't pay 12 dollars a bowl to eat at some crappy restaurant. She makes a huge pot for like 25 bucks tops. It's really poor people food, just meat scraps, veggies, and noodles.
There's a place near me that serves a giant bowl for the same amount. It's about twice the food I need to eat in a sitting. I wish those ching chongs would serve a smaller bowl for 5 bucks because pho doesn't keep well in the fridge.
Most places have a small, medium, large, xl, at least that I've been to.
XL is enough to feed a small family, my wife and I will split just one for eight dollars and still not manage to finish it.
pho is my favorite thing to get on cold, rainy days. ultimate comfort food.
i don't really get the meme food thing about it. there have been pho places around my city for years. people who have no idea what it is just don't go, that's all. i've turned on a bunch of friends and coworkers to it.
$25 tops? Yeah right.
Maybe in VN it can be made cheap, but getting enough bones is at least $15-$20 unless you are somehow finding left over bones to use. And the other small ingredients for the broth can add up to at least another $15 (I'm not including the condiments). Then the meat toppings and noodles themselves another $10 at least.
I've tried pho once, and even with all the extra additives (cilantro, soy, sriracha, etc) it still tasted like nothing. the broth like water, noodles like nothing, bland meat. I've been scared to try it again anywhere else. I really wanted to like it, I love Asian food. Do you guys prefer pho to ramen?
Left over beef bones? It's impractical for most people to collect the little strip of bone in their t-bone steaks to freeze for a broth later.
Also most pho recipes call for weird parts like neck bones, marrow bones, neck bones, etc.
Now if you talking chicken bones, well that's not a real substantial pho broth.
You obviously live in a city on one of the coasts, so I'll just say that for most of the US having bones and joints to make various items, including broth, is not uncommon. Maybe not the norm, mind you, but far from unthinkable.
Bro, you can go to a butcher and ask them for scrap bones. They're really cheap and sometimes free if he can't get rid of them. This is a board for cooking. Not being a shit cook who doesn't know how to make a broth.
>neck bones, marrow bones, neck bones
Oooooh, you're a troll
Yeah, I live in So Cal. Those bones and joints are readily available in the supermarkets here. But bones aren't cheap as that one anon said.
And what the heck are you eating that you get enough left over bones for a broth? Are you saving the bones from beef ribs?
bruh where I live I can get cut beef bones for like a dollar a pound. Ten pound of bones makes a heap of stock, enough for a dozen bowls of soup for sure.
Meat, herbs and rice noodles are all relatively cheap. Most expensive thing is the herbs and I grow mint, coriander, Vietnamese mint and horseradish.
They are very cheap where I live (Massachusetts) if you know where to look.
And if you put leftover bones in a zippy bag in the freezer, they will keep well enough. Supposing you cook enough to fill a gallon bag within 10 or 11 months, you have enough to make a large pot of broth
Again what cut of meat are you eating that would allow you to save enough bones over the course of a year?
I've tried this. Most cuts of beef the average American eat has none to little bone.
You can get bones cheap as fuck at the Chinese and Korean grocery stores in the Chicago suburbs. You can buy a pig head for five bucks or cow bones for about the same. Sheep heads can be asked for if you don't mind an awkward conversation. Just ask the butcher. They can be surprisingly helpful when you're asking for such things. Even at the local grocery store if I ask to buy the toss away parts the store manager will be more than willing to set me up for the sake of customer service. I used to work at a grocery store so I'm not intimidated to ask.
I like Pho. I don't get anything too fancy, just a regular bowl of Pho with sliced brisket. My only grip with it (and this is inherent to noodle soups) is that to truly get a satisfying flavor in each mouthful, I need to get noodles, meat, and broth. This requires me to enact a precise sequence of autistic actions, in which I use my pleb tier chopstick skills to get a substantial (but not overwhelming) amount of noodles, then take a piece of beef, and finish it off with a spoonful of broth. It is delicious, filling, and generally very cheap.
I also like the spring rolls with peanut sauce. Good stuff.
I disagree with you there. I actually really enjoy sipping some broth, having some meat (dipped into some sauce on the side), and then slurping up some noodles.
I also think that chopsticks are a superior method for eating noodles than a fork.
Maybe I'm an autist
Thanks for the tips. I shall see because I've been doing things the wrong way if I'm spending $20 bucks on bones just for pho. The only reason this was justifiable is because I would it pho continuously for the next few days to even out the cost.
>You're on a food and cooking board, man
Not everyone is a master pro jack of all trades in every culinary aspect
>i don't really get the meme food thing about it
There was this faggot that got dumped by a Vietnamese chick so now he goes on /ck/ and calls every Vietnamese food "memes". He's been going on for a few of years now. That shit was hilarious in the beginning but now it's just sad. How lame can he be?
>Have parents from Vietnam
>Loving mother spends hours creating delicious broth
>Makes rice noodles, yellow noodles, beef meatballs, sliced flank steak, and prepares the garnishes in a nicely presented plate
>Have delicious pho for years
>Liking pho is a meme
>People who claim to adore pho have never had properly made broth in their life
>Mom still makes delicious pho during the winter
Does anyone actually put sriracha sauce in pho? I don't have anything against sriracha in particular but ground chili paste seems a lot better.
am i missing the point or did i just get pho from the wrong place? it tasted really bland, the broth was like watered down chicken noodle. i had to load it up with hot chili garlic sauce and even then it was boring
I have it all the time. if done right, the broth is very delicate. nice fresh veggies, the meat can be sliced raw into it. first time i tried it was with "beefballs", the most disgusting food in existence. try thinly sliced steak, flank steak or brisket, with basil AND cilantro. captcha: noodles!!!!!!
And I'm so sad because of it. I tried so hard and failed that I came to the point where I told myself the taste depends on the air and every other not primarily taste related issue, as much as it depends on the actual ingredients.
So today, I make my own chicken broth, if steamed or boiled does not matter so much and afterwards just throw inside what I have left over. I use asian wheat noodles though as spergerdi or "regular soup noodles" don't work so well.
Last year I was in China because of that matter and I met a chinese soup master, as I would like to call him, who told me that what I did was the true spirit of asian noodle soups.
Anon... we have to bow down and accept that things' taste depends on our state of mind in the very particular moment. Even if we would taste an original pho, would we truly recognize it, if not in thailand?
>you say that like its a problem
It is a problem. Either go to war and break some heads or don't even get started at all.
The problem is that currently we send troops over and spend buttloads of money, piss off the other countries, yet don't actually achieve anything. It's all the expense and bad PR with none of the benefits.
>people putting meme sauce, or worse, sugar slop hoisin in their pure pho broth
Chili oil or bust. Also, I genuinely feel sorry for the people knocking pho because of a bad experience. I first had it at the most popular spot in my town and it was pretty fucking bland, didn't think twice about it until a buddy of mine showed me the best spot in the Vietnamese area of town, fucking life changing. It's the perfect food. We go at least twice a week now.
As with most things, you can make it right, and you can make it fast and cheap. The latter greatly decreasing its quality.
Generally pho is heavily overhyped by nationalistic viet idiots and asiaphile retards. Most of the time it's literally just noodles + random shit swimming in plain water. Most viet places are ran by poor people with no actual knowledge of cooking basics who just add pre made powder to water as a soup stock and just cook the shit in it.
Every time when I hear gooks talk about pho, I want to start a gook holocaust and gas them in masses.
as much as I think that your statement contains some truth, as much I think that you are seeing things too negative.
I understand that you try to hold up against some flood of superficials coming out of the internet, but I feel, that you really dont have to. Especially because you tend to yourself get superficial analyzing.
Look at your own home. Did your parents !always! serve the best homemade foods not using preserved things or spices?
imho it's just not possible to recreate the original taste in your home country. If you use chicken broth for example, it even depends what food the chicken was fed to achieve the paricular taste. And there are many more way too sensible intricacies, to be able to come close to our ideal memory.
shit costs 9bux tops for a hugs bowl at all the places I've been to in Socal. sometimes less.
Pho is fantastic feel better soup, luckily for the vietnamese, pho takes a long time to cook properly so their shops are a necessity for white guys like me.
I live in a heavily Vietnamese populated area in California and I must say that the Pho here is 10/10
There's at least a hundred different pho places in this small city and they're all done pretty well.
It all depends on the quality of the meal. I've had some amazing ramen and pho at various different places.
I've also had fucking awful ramen and pho at other places.
You cannot objectively say that ramen is always better than pho since it all depends on how it was prepared as well as your own subjective tastes.
Depends on how compelled you feel to shitpost about it. Generally if more than a handful of people like something, that's reason enough for most of the idiots on this board to call it a meme and shitpost about it.
This is what idiots with poor taste buds do. I don't care if you're Vietnamese from Vietnam. It's like ruining a steak with sauce. A good steak doesn't need sauce, just salt and pepper.
>live in a Vietnamese neighborhood
>5 pho shops within 2 blocks
>smell them making broth all day err day
i know this is old but what kind of shitty pho doesnt have broth and has fucking lettuce?
>vietnamese place close by
>name and setting kinda fedora tier but fuck it pho is pho
>fedora in the sense that it tries to be hip and shit, and not just honest in being a fucking noodle shop
>notice they have "cambodian noodles"
>fuck it lets give it a go
>same shit as pho but with dried garlic and chicken broth
>the grlic makes it orgasmic
>little bit of lemon, beansprouts, hoisin and sriracha sauce
>thai tea with boba for a nice refresher
Best meal on a boring day. Only thing that ruins it is the beef balls have this wierd white chunky shit in them that I have to remove before eating
[spoiler]am i the only one who doesnt like adding the mint and jalapenos they give you? The jalapenos dont really mix well with the soup for me and i hate mint in savory food. Also im nub tier, cant handle weird meats like tendon and tripe[/spoiler]
Pho is a real pain in the ass to make right in the first place. Most recipes online will cover the basics but for some general points that I don't entirely understand:
>Boil beef bones for stock in hot water broefly to 'clean' them or let them sit in cold water overnight
>Oven bake an unpeeled YELLOW onion and ginger root until the onion starts to visibly burn, hour or so
>Chopped Daikon root
>Spice blend is really typical, star aniseed a huge ingredient. Bake star aniseed in oven for less then a minute before using. Other spices can be observed in other recipes online.
>Bones, veggies, spices (in a mesh bag) into pot
>P.S. Peel gross skin off onion and chop a little off the top so it's jizzing its beautiful juices
>Also smack the fuck out of the ginger before adding to pot
>While everything is boiling, skim the accumulated fat off of the top of the broth
>Low for approx 3-4 hours, if flecks of bone meat start coming off it's a bad sign
>Salt, pepper, and fish sauce (3 Crabs is dope) at the end to taste
>garnishes: beef related meats, mint leaves, bean sprouts, green onion, whole other fuck ton of stuff
Basic guideline and not terribly unique but it's a start.
Keeping the broth clean is really important. Fat is ugly and messes with texture. Don't use the same water you boil bones in initially to clean as the soup water either.
The meat is raw and thrown into the boiling broth moments before it is served.
Pho broth has no veg in it. You are given fresh washed veggies on a sepate plate and can add to your soup as you wish
MSG is a naturally occurring chemical in everything from soy to asparagus and has been in use for centuries without being identified or isolated.
That was Garum, closer to Worcestershire , but close regardless.
so are fishsticks, but they aren't the same thing.
1000 gram/2 pounds small fish (smelt, sprat, anchovy, sardine)
500 gram/2 cups sea salt
2 1/2 Tbsp dried oregano with a top
1 Tbsp dried mint (optional)
1.5 liter/2.75 pints water