ITT: post food products that both Europe and USA have, but are superior in Europe (or are Superior in USA)
You have to post a very brief explanation as to why it's superior, and post a pic of it.
Why do people always compare the USA, which a country, with Europe, which is a continent? It makes no sense. Either directly compare the USA with one European country, or include Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean along with the America, and compare that to Europe. What you're doing is stupid.
Cheese- you're right
Beer- US has more microbreweries than any other country
Wine- California wines have been shitting on french wines for over a 20 years now
BBQ- do you euroniggers even have bbq?
Like you've tasted even close to half of American micro brews. Shut your cock sleeve, ignorant euro-nigger. Just learn to live with the fact that we cannot reciprocate your gross, sad obsession with us.
>euroniggers so weak they can only muster a collective (everything has to be collective) YOU MAD?
I'll be glad when you guys are fully islamed so we can bomb your ugly asses into the dirt.
You realize that you cannot taste hormones and antibiotics in the meat, right?
The hormone issue is a fake issue, absolutely no reason to be opposed to this. Antibiotics are an issue, but its entirely unrelated to taste, and has to do with encouraging the development of resistant strains
This was true, but no longer. The craft beers produced in the US meet and exceed the best in the world.
Simply dismissing American beer as hipster hopwater is factually untrue and typical of the anti-American yuropoor rock throwing attitude typically found here.
Your willful ignorance and unfounded arrogance are really quite amusing.
Both are roughly equal in area and both are a collective of self-governing states with huge ethnic diversity.
Would make more sense to compare North America and Europe but why bother, everything that matters is in the States.
Its amazing how many people europe has yet they still can't figure out how to make beer as well as america. Outside Belgium its fucking tough to get good beer in Europe, and Belgium really only does a small handful of styles well
You can go to a random supermarket in the middle of flyover and have a better beer selection than any region in europe
>absolutely desperate damage control
Never forget, you live on a continent that is irrelevant in all matters, whether financial, technological or artistic. You will only serve as a cautionary example about why importing barbarians by the 100000s is maybe not so smart. Meanwhile, USA and SE Asian will rule the earth. When you are bowing to mecca with an AK-47 at the base of your neck, please remember how "mad" I was.
Do you seriously think America only has IPA? IPA is only like 30% of the craft beer market. You can go to a random grocery store and find good examples of beer of just about any style
What dos europe have? A few good trappist beers and a few good sours in belgium, and almost nothing else. In america you can get excellent examples of all regional european styles plus all sorts of delicious stuff you can't find anywhere in europe
>IPA is only like 30% of the craft beer market.
>THIRTY PER FUCKING CENT
>ONE THIRD OF THE ENTIRE MARKET
lmao at ur fukken country and it's tryhard amateur brewers
>its fucking tough to get good beer in Europe
It's not, you have never been there.
>better beer selection than any region in europe
Large election =/= good produce. And still every supermarket here has an entire aisle devoted to craft beer. At least clean your facts after you tig them out of your ass.
I was just in europe a few months ago. Good beer wasn't impossible to find, but most bars and restaurants had almost none of it on tap and the selections at the grocery stores I went to were absolutely tiny compared to most american stores, plus they were way the fuck more expensive and mostly just sold in single bottles.
and that was mostly in England, as you go west and south into Europe it gets much worse
Honestly I'm a huge fan of Victory Golden Monkey. Pretty much anything Victory makes is very decent.
I'm only memeing really, but Europe has amazing beer everywhere.
>Large election =/= good produce
Not necessarily, but in America there clearly is both. Almost all of the world's best beers are made in america with a small handful in Belgium. The rest of Europe is basically a wasteland. I can go to any grocery store and get a very good beer of almost any style
Find a bar b que place that gives you options.
Again, most people in Europe are not effete consumption-obsessed man-children who are amazed by infinite variety.
Most pubs and regions do their own beers of which many are excellent but dont expect to find local produce from the depths of the Balkans or Eastern Bloc in a Tesco in London.
>Again, most people in Europe are not effete consumption-obsessed man-children who are amazed by infinite variety.
Yeah, they are content with 10 different variants of light lagers that taste almost exactly the same
So are you telling me they have a lot of brew pubs in the Balkans that have america tier quality? Even in places like France and Germany such places are almost unheard of. England and Scandinavia are the only places really starting to catch on to the making good beer thing but they are still easily a decade behind
>I'm pulling shit out of my ass
I can't find any source that suggest Europe even comes close
Do europeans on /ck/ really think it is just IPAs or are you just memeing?
and even if you do limit it to IPA, you aren't going to find a beer as good as a Pseudo Sue or Zombie Dust anywhere in Europe
Feel free to suggest some alternate sources
The idea that the random people rating these beers have formed a conspiracy to overrate american beers is hilarious though
Americans fucking love Belgian beer, if anything they underrate other american stuff
Have you ever even been to America I was in England and Ireland only months ago. Its been a few years since I have been to mainland Europe but I highly doubt good beer has suddenly become common in that time
Pull something up on the yurp darknet for us then.
>getting fucking fresh
>compare america and europe
>AMERICA IS JUST ONE COUNTRY IT'S NOT FAIR
>mock americans with poor international knowledge
>AMERICA IS PRACTICALLY FIFTY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IT'S NOT FAIR
Pretty much the equivalent of drinking bud and saying America can't into beer. The craft scene is of Amazing quality, and if you find a smaller cheese maker their product is ridiculous.
>I've been to England and Ireland and still think America has better beer
IPAs can be quite good, though they're also a go-to for Brewers who think hop shock is an easy way to get hipster revenue (because the average macro drinker can't stomach it.) They're one of my preferred styles from the right breweries, but massively overdone overall.
Golden Monkey is a fun beer. They will only serve you two at the brewpub before they cut you off, though (I've been a few times).
HAve you ever been to America?
It wasn;t ven close, and all the English/Irish people I talked to who were familiar with American beer beyond Bud Light seemed to agree. I had a nice long discussion with some guys running a craft beer centric liquor store in London and they definitely though they were behind
>though they're also a go-to for Brewers who think hop shock is an easy way to get hipster revenue
You guys are just gonna have to deal with the fact that people like IPA. Sure a lot of the original west coast ones are pretty shitty, but most breweries make at least one good IPA now
It's a product of experiences and biases. Most people who firmly pick one went to the other for like a week.
On the American end, it'd be like trying Yuenglng, Bud, and Coors. If you went to Yurop and drank a bunch of Macros too your opinion would undoubtedly be low.
If someone talks shit about beer from any country but their go-tos for high quality beer are shit like Heineken or Stella, they don't have the right to an opinion, period.
Anyway, the place where America seems to actually have a definitive advantage is variety. Breweries in most countries but particularly Germany are very set in making good offerings along a very narrow scope, while in America if you take the time to hunt down the right craft you can get a ridiculous variety to find your favorite.
Like I said, I LOVE IPAs. But you see shit like Loose Cannon or Stone's IPA where it is just pure hops with no effort to establish a flavor beyond and it's shit.
For a counterpoint for an IPA that actually has an interesting flavor profile, I'd say look to Sixpoint's Bengali Tiger or Resin.
>being so insecure that you think the marketing guys are right and that every man has to drink and like beer, because peer pressure is more important than personal freedom
found the insecure fagget
Euro fanta is different
I think I like both equally though
>that every man has to drink and like beer,
No, every adult should like beer so long as they have human genes. Hell even chimpanzees and lower primates probably would enjoy beer
Don't know why you try and bring gender into this
pic super duper related.
The regular commercial chocolate bars made by Nestle are actually made with chocolate and cocoa butter in Europe. In America, chocolate that does no contain cocoa butter can still be called chocolate, as long as it contains cocoa solids.
It pisses me off, and I have boycotted all chocolate companies that do not use cocoa butter for nearly a decade now.
>No, every adult should like beer so long as they have human genes
Next you're going to talk about how evolution was only spurred by alcohol consumption, right?
Please consider that people with that condition still very often drink alcohol and enjoy it
and even if they didn't, having a physiological reaction to alcohol =/= thinking beer tastes bad
>people with that condition still very often drink alcohol and enjoy it
>effects include Tachycardia...nausea, headache and general physical discomfort
is it really surprising that not everybody will find a "dry" and bitter drink unpleasant?
I don't think 'dry' is a reasonable way to describe the majority of beer
Sure its bitter in a sense, but not in a way that people tend to not find it delicious, in fact almost everyone who tries it ends up liking it as adults
>Alcohol is very widely acknowledged to increase risk of cancers/disease and decrease life expectancy.
You are thinking of extreme consumption levels. Like almost all things beneficial to your body, when consumption becomes too high it has negative results
In human males that level is about 3 per day, more than that and you see decreases in life expectancy, drinking 1-2 drinks per day results in an increase in life expectancy over abstainers
>1-2 drinks per day results in an increase in life expectancy over abstainers
No you stupid cunt. Alcohol is literally a poison and even though light drinking will not have much effect, if you never start you will always be healthier.
No, alcohol is not literally a poison in any meaningful sense of the term. It is only detrimental in large quantities, contrasted with cigarettes which are bad in any situation, moderate beer/wine consumption leads to increased lifespans
>if you never start you will always be healthier.
The fuck are you even basing this shit on?
read this, it highlights how moderate consumption (up to 2 drinks for a male) leads to improved health and longer lives
>I'd rather drink two glasses of wine per day than two glasses of beer
um, ok, then do that
What does that have to do with anything though? I prefer beer, but wine is cool too, both are quite similar from a health perspective
No, I am not nearly old enough for that.
So what is your stance? Doctors were occasionally wrong once long ago before science, so now we shouldn't trust doctors and instead should listen to anonymous people on a Mongolian basketweaving site?
What are you advocating?
It sounds like you are saying because people were wrong once that everything science currently understands is also wrong. Which is just an absurd stance to hold. Are you saying all science is wrong, or that you feel comfortable just guessing for yourself when it is right and wrong with your fancy high school diploma?
not the same person.
Companies pay for "scientific" studies to make people buy their shit. Nothing new, and cigarettes aren't the only example.
So you are the ultimate judge of what science counts?
This is some serious tin foil hat shit you are supporting. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe because you think there is a slim possibility that some of the evidence is fake. If you don't have any evidence to support your stance it is anti-vaxxer/creationism/climate change denial tier
>give me more than a shitty website as source for your "scientific" proof then.
I didn't post a website at all, anon. That was my first post in the thread. I simply found your post, >>7254433 to be absurd so I replied.
Anyway, as for determining whether or not beer is healthy, that's pretty fucking simple, anon. Ask yourself what is found in beer. Then ask yourself if any of those things are dangerous in the concentrations present for normal consumption. What exactly do you think is in the beer that makes it unhealthy?
Pretty sure what he's saying is that you're using the word "science" the way religious people use the word "god's will"
Unless you are a subject matter expert, you should refrain from taking a strong position on stuff just because it was published in a scientific journal.
Talk to any older person with an advanced scientific degree, and try to get them to commit to a strong position on a topic outside of their area of expertise. You'll notice you won't succeed. And yet you, with your "science is kewl" feelings, and not even an advanced degree, have somehow proclaimed that you know better than anyone other than subject matter experts.
All evidence suggests beer is good in moderation. Stick your head in the sand and deny it all you want, but you can't just decide to disregard science when it doesn't fit your stance and expect us to take you seriously
>I am not gonna search for scholarly articles as that would obviously just go over your head
>I can't find anything scientific to back up the shit that I pulled out of my ass, just believe me!
The infographic, silly billy. Why do feminists hate science?
>Unless you are a subject matter expert, you should refrain from taking a strong position on stuff just because it was published in a scientific journal.
This is a crazy stance. You do not need a PhD in a subject to be able to understand the modern scholarly discourse on it.
>Pretty sure what he's saying is that you're using the word "science" the way religious people use the word "god's will"
This is obviously a troll statement. Basing your statements on evidence is not similar to basing it off of something some dudes wrote in a book a long time ago. You do not need an advanced degree to understand this stuff
>You do not need a PhD in a subject to be able to understand the modern scholarly discourse on it.
An infographic from beeradvocate.com isn't "modern scholarly discourse"
>Basing your statements on evidence
Anyone can put together evidence of something that's wrong. brb taking up smoking
>Results from observational studies, where alcohol consumption can be linked directly to an individual's risk of coronary heart disease, provide strong evidence that all alcoholic drinks are linked with lower risk. Thus, a substantial portion of the benefit is from alcohol rather than other components of each type of drink.
no mate. You said "BEER is healthy for you".
Beer =/= Alcohol
Beer = tiny bit of alcohol and lots of other shit.
Tiny bits of alcohol can be good for reducing the risk of one single specific condition. But that doesn't make Beer as a whole healthy for you.
>While hops in beer will have a negative impact on men's hormonal balance, it may actually be positive for women. Hops has aphrodisiac-like qualities for women, as because of the phytoestrogen it contains, which mimic natural estrogen. Low sex drive in women is often cause by low levels of estrogen.
Not surprising, its pretty likely that he abundance of terrible beer and lack of good beer in the 70s and 80s America directly lead to the homebrew movement and from it craft beer as we know it. The fact that Euro beer is pretty shitty but not quite terrible like Bud Light/Yuengling is what caused them to fall into mediocrity and fail so badly at making the worlds best beers today
That article in no way suggests phytoestregens are present in beer in biologically significant quantities, nor does it suggest it would be bad if it were
Were you just hoping no one would open it?
>as because of the phytoestrogen it contains
That's completely absurd. Hormones (both male and female) have an incredibly short half-life in the body thanks to first-pass liver metabolism. The hormone would be destroyed by the liver well before it would have the opportunity to achieve anything--and that's assuming that it exists in high enough concentrations as well.
That's why hormonal medications (which actually DO work) are specially modified long-chain esters specifically to survive the liver. For example, bodybuilders or men with low testosterone don't take plain ol "test", they take a special long-chain ester like Testosterone Decanate. And even then it must be injected into fatty tissue so it is slowly released into the blood. Women who are on hormonal therapy for menopause, etc, take slow-release pills on a daily basis. Same with birth control pills. Hormones are very fragile molecules; without them being engineered to survive the liver and constant re-dosing they simply don't do anything.
And then there's the obvious one: if Hops in beer really did act like estrogen then why aren't women guzzling hops and growing giant boobs? Why don't men who drink beer develop gynocomastica? The answer is because beer doesn't do a damn thing in this regard. Tiny trace amounts of phytoestrogens are meaningless.
>The hormone would be destroyed by the liver well before it would have the opportunity to achieve anything
America has 4000+ breweries, most making 10-30 beers a year and new ones every year. Most of the different beers made in the entire world are now american
Post the best beers from your country and compare them to the best beers in america. The best American ones will universally be perceived as better by most people unless maybe you live in Belgium
American logic is hurr I was born here so it must be the best....
I'm from Ireland. I'm sure we don't have the best beers; haven't claimed it anywhere in this thread. Craft beers and micro breweries have only recently become a thing here.
I just thought it was funny that the worst beer list was almost all American
when I was in Ireland not too long ago I tried some stuff from Galway Bay brewery I think it was, and it was pretty good, but it seemed like most bars only had macros on tap, which are way the fuck better than american macros, but pretty much every bar in america has at least a few crafts on tap.
It looked like Diageo was trying to get out ahead of the craft beer influx that is bound to happen with a bunch of ok Guinness variants
yeah, thats the whole point of BBQ, it allows you to make the shitty cuts good too. I know Euros don't know much about preparing meat as it has mostly been too expensive for you though
>Italian wine is best
jesus what kind of shit are you drinking
Napa has produced amazing cabernet sauvignons for decades.
France is still king with chardonnay and sauvignon blanc varieties.
>he doesn't know
Napa cab is fine but it gets boring. There's a lot going on in France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal outside of the prestige appellations, that you don't hear about unless you're in a city that cares about wine.
Global warming is going to destroy Napa in any case, best get used to it.
ITT people who never actually were in Europe aside from Berlin/ Paris/London arguing about "good food" with people who never were in USA aside from New York.
>comparing frech whine to californian whine.
Both good, but comparing them only shows, that you never tasted them both.
I've been to most of the top breweries in
And I'm also just recently became a lvl1 Beer Judge, and I can honestly say that the USA is not only leaps and bounds ahead of the EU, but is also driving the EU to improve. They were stuck in 'tradition' for the longest time, most of which came from having shit for ingredients, and then never really changed their recipes since then. Where as America is doing what ever the fuck they want and experimenting and innovating. So this leads to a lot of shit beers, but also a lot of top tier beers.
>but it seemed like most bars only had macros on tap, which are way the fuck better than american macros, but pretty much every bar in america has at least a few crafts on tap.
Yeah that's mostly the case. A lot of them are getting around to stocking the craft beers bottled now
If you want to argue the "best" cheesemakers do this in their tiny artisinal Yuro shops, okay, sure.
If you want to argue that American cheese quality isn't staggeringly higher than whatever the average Yuro wants to buy if you're willing to pay a bit extra, you're delusional.
That optimistically assumes no good Yuro cheesemakers immigrated.
Don't know about the Balkans, but the microbrewery movement has been going for at least 6 or 7 years now in Hungary for example, and note that Hungary is still nothing in terms of beer compared to Poland, let alone Czechia.
>small handful of styles
> Abbey beers
> Amber ale
> Blonde or golden ale
> Brown ale
> Champagne beers
> Flemish Red
> Hop-accentuated beers and India Pale Ale
> Lambic beers (including Gueuze and Fruit Lambics)
> Oud bruin, or Flemish sour brown ale
> Pils or pale lager
> Scotch ales
> Strong ales
> Table beers
> White or wheat beer
> Winter or Christmas beers
quite a handful
netherlands my ass. yes belgian beer is superb but czech and polish beer are (at least in my opinion) the best around.
bavarian "Helles" is also great along with some german pilsners.
im german and drink A LOT of beer so maybe this counts for something
Pizza is literally bread with toppings, unless the bread is good the pizza is going to be shit
This is why flyover states think pizza has to have cool ranch doritos and a rack of sweet baby rays bbw ribs to be good
When quality fails, just add disgusting excess and if someone with a working set of taste buds accidentally walks in the door, shut down all criticism by saying he's pretentious and hates innovation