ITT: post food products that both Europe and USA have, but are

>>7253460
Cheese, because America cant into cheese

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Italian pizza is overrated

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>>7253467
>implying

>>7253467
this is an easy one.

>>7253469
true, but pizza pie is disgusting

>>7253460
>Cheese
>Beer
>Wine
>BBQ
Europe wins.

>>7253460
Why do people always compare the USA, which a country, with Europe, which is a continent? It makes no sense. Either directly compare the USA with one European country, or include Mexico, Canada, and the Caribbean along with the America, and compare that to Europe. What you're doing is stupid.

>>7253460
At the high end there's very little difference in quality between the food in Europe and America. At the low end the food in America is much cheaper and lower quality.

>>7253481
>BBQ

You're joking, right?

The rest, maybe. Barbecue, not a chance.

>>7253496
>The rest, maybe
you spelled 'definitely' wrong

>>7253496
The problem in the U.S is we slather all the meat in disgustingly sweet sauce.
Really ruins it for me, but people think I'm weird when I ask them to hold the sauce.

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>>7253509
>BBQ with no sauce

>>7253509
>in the U.S.
Everywhere but Texas and the Carolinas.

beef is better in the usa

>>7253540
you like the taste of extra hormones and antibiotics that much?

>>7253481
Cheese- you're right
Beer- US has more microbreweries than any other country
Wine- California wines have been shitting on french wines for over a 20 years now
BBQ- do you euroniggers even have bbq?

>>7253642
>Beer- US has more microbreweries than any other country
>implying more is better
Netherlands, Belgium have best beer.

>>7253648
Outdated horse shit falsified facts

>>7253654
what a load of shit

>this much denial
typical american

>>7253657
Like you've tasted even close to half of American micro brews. Shut your cock sleeve, ignorant euro-nigger. Just learn to live with the fact that we cannot reciprocate your gross, sad obsession with us.

>>7253671
>being this mad
>calling someone else obsessed
as if you have had belgian beer.

>>7253648

Negative, only Belgium does. The fact that NL still rides the coattails of their superior brothers is a crime.

>>7253677

It's widely available everywhere.

American bacon is way the fuck better than the bacon I had in england and ireland, not that the bacon there was bad, it was still pretty good, just not nearly as good

>>7253490
Couldn't agree more on this.

>>7253481
Do you live in 1980?
How could you possibly suggest Europe has better beer?

>>7253681
>>7253677
>euroniggers so weak they can only muster a collective (everything has to be collective) YOU MAD?
I'll be glad when you guys are fully islamed so we can bomb your ugly asses into the dirt.

>>7253692

you can get the streaky bacon in the UK too. I agree I like it better.

>>7253678
>superior brothers
confirmed for not knowing shit

>>7253624
You realize that you cannot taste hormones and antibiotics in the meat, right?

The hormone issue is a fake issue, absolutely no reason to be opposed to this. Antibiotics are an issue, but its entirely unrelated to taste, and has to do with encouraging the development of resistant strains

>>7253702

Listen, NL has things that are delcious. It just isn't beer. Belgium is the clear winner here.

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>>7253648
This was true, but no longer. The craft beers produced in the US meet and exceed the best in the world.

Simply dismissing American beer as hipster hopwater is factually untrue and typical of the anti-American yuropoor rock throwing attitude typically found here.

Your willful ignorance and unfounded arrogance are really quite amusing.

>>7253490
Both are roughly equal in area and both are a collective of self-governing states with huge ethnic diversity.

Would make more sense to compare North America and Europe but why bother, everything that matters is in the States.

>>7253716
Europe has twice the population of america

>>7253715
Jessica Walter is so hot.

>quite amusing
but stop talking like a pretentious faggot

>>7253722
Its amazing how many people europe has yet they still can't figure out how to make beer as well as america. Outside Belgium its fucking tough to get good beer in Europe, and Belgium really only does a small handful of styles well
You can go to a random supermarket in the middle of flyover and have a better beer selection than any region in europe

>>7253720
>absolutely desperate damage control
Never forget, you live on a continent that is irrelevant in all matters, whether financial, technological or artistic. You will only serve as a cautionary example about why importing barbarians by the 100000s is maybe not so smart. Meanwhile, USA and SE Asian will rule the earth. When you are bowing to mecca with an AK-47 at the base of your neck, please remember how "mad" I was.

>>7253722
They don't need to be exactly the same in every way to compare them.

>>7253734
>IPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPAIPA

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>>7253734

Meme harder, fatty.

>>7253740
Do you seriously think America only has IPA? IPA is only like 30% of the craft beer market. You can go to a random grocery store and find good examples of beer of just about any style

>>7253739
Just saying, twice as large=/= roughly equaly

>>7253749
>euro trash
>Do you seriously think
No, the answer would be no.

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>>7253749

>>7253741
What dos europe have? A few good trappist beers and a few good sours in belgium, and almost nothing else. In america you can get excellent examples of all regional european styles plus all sorts of delicious stuff you can't find anywhere in europe

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>>7253749

>IPA is only like 30% of the craft beer market.
>30%
>THIRTY PER FUCKING CENT
>ONE THIRD OF THE ENTIRE MARKET

lmao at ur fukken country and it's tryhard amateur brewers

>>7253760
but english beer typically has even less alcohol

>>7253734
>its fucking tough to get good beer in Europe
It's not, you have never been there.

>better beer selection than any region in europe
Large election =/= good produce. And still every supermarket here has an entire aisle devoted to craft beer. At least clean your facts after you tig them out of your ass.

>>7253767
What is your favorite beer? and what is the best american beer you have even tried?

>>7253772
I was just in europe a few months ago. Good beer wasn't impossible to find, but most bars and restaurants had almost none of it on tap and the selections at the grocery stores I went to were absolutely tiny compared to most american stores, plus they were way the fuck more expensive and mostly just sold in single bottles.
and that was mostly in England, as you go west and south into Europe it gets much worse

>>7253756
yeah, that is why I said "roughly equal in size". Obviously they're not "equal" because one is Europe and one isn't.

>>7253509
I feel sorry for you if you live in a place where they don't ask "wet or dry" when you order ribs

>there are states where people think barbecue is grilled chicken with sauce on it

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>>7253778

Honestly I'm a huge fan of Victory Golden Monkey. Pretty much anything Victory makes is very decent.

I'm only memeing really, but Europe has amazing beer everywhere.

>>7253772
>Large election =/= good produce
Not necessarily, but in America there clearly is both. Almost all of the world's best beers are made in america with a small handful in Belgium. The rest of Europe is basically a wasteland. I can go to any grocery store and get a very good beer of almost any style

>>7253799
You clearly know fuck all about beer, plebeian.

>>7253805
if he's a pleb you are a slave, the hint of beer in your masters load is all you will ever know.

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>>7253509
Find a bar b que place that gives you options.

>>7253805
show me a picture of what the typical craft beer section of a grocery store near you looks like if they even have one

>>7253813
You would know, King.

>>7253787
Again, most people in Europe are not effete consumption-obsessed man-children who are amazed by infinite variety.

Most pubs and regions do their own beers of which many are excellent but dont expect to find local produce from the depths of the Balkans or Eastern Bloc in a Tesco in London.

>>7253824
>Again, most people in Europe are not effete consumption-obsessed man-children who are amazed by infinite variety.
Yeah, they are content with 10 different variants of light lagers that taste almost exactly the same

>>7253824
I-it's better to have fewer choices. W-we prefer it that way you MANCHILD!
Fucking pathetic europoor delusion

>>7253799
>Almost all of the world's best beers are made in america

"I'm pulling shit out of my ass and nobody can stop me!!!XD"

>>7253799
>Almost all of the world's best beers are made in america with a small handful in Belgium
You're trying too hard, anon. A good troll has an element of subtlety to it.

>>7253824
So are you telling me they have a lot of brew pubs in the Balkans that have america tier quality? Even in places like France and Germany such places are almost unheard of. England and Scandinavia are the only places really starting to catch on to the making good beer thing but they are still easily a decade behind
Seriously?

>>7253830
>america has an amazing variety of beers
>99% are ipas with the occasional meme sriracha donut porter thrown in

>>7253834
>I'm pulling shit out of my ass
http://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/top/
http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/top-50/
https://untappd.com/beer/top_rated
I can't find any source that suggest Europe even comes close

>>7253848
>american website
>only knows american shit
>american beers on list
what a surprise

>>7253845
Do europeans on /ck/ really think it is just IPAs or are you just memeing?
and even if you do limit it to IPA, you aren't going to find a beer as good as a Pseudo Sue or Zombie Dust anywhere in Europe

>>7253829
>>7253830
Case in point. Europeans enjoy drinking beer, Americans enjoy shopping for it.

>>7253853
Rate Beer is the world's largest beer ranking website, dickcheese.

>>7253853
Feel free to suggest some alternate sources

The idea that the random people rating these beers have formed a conspiracy to overrate american beers is hilarious though
Americans fucking love Belgian beer, if anything they underrate other american stuff

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>>7253834
>>7253848
#rekt

OP here, I regret making this thread and thinking /ck/ had adult users.

All I wanted was ideas on what to try, but all I got was bitch fights.

>>7253838
>he has never heard of BrewDog

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>>7253848
Literally No Passport, the post.

>>7253856
>Europeans enjoy drinking beer
Yeah, light lagers and 3.2%ABV english ales

>>7253864
I have heard of Brewdog. They have a TV show on an obscure channel in America, its pretty good. Their beer is sold in my local super market too, its ok

>>7253867
Have you ever even been to America I was in England and Ireland only months ago. Its been a few years since I have been to mainland Europe but I highly doubt good beer has suddenly become common in that time

>>7253848
WTF is this shit? Americans circlejerking American beers?

This is comparable to the "worlds smartest person competitions" you guys have. Try harder.

>>7253868
If you say so

>>7253886
oh yeah, and Guinness, the Bud Light of stout (which is unfortunately often the best option there)

>>7253880
Its not their fault all of the world's best breweries are in America.

>>7253880
>world series
>only american teams
>world champions

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>>7253880
Pull something up on the yurp darknet for us then.

>>7253899
Its the world's best players. The rosters are international. Teams are not actually limited to players that grew up in their respective cities

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>>7253903
>2016
>getting fucking fresh
ISHYGHAGYFSB

>>7253469
>toppings on the crust

That's pizza chain tier. You obviously don't know anything about pizza

>>7253624
do you like mad cow disease that much?

>>7253935
>That's pizza chain tier.
what the fuck pizza chain does that?

>>7253490
>compare america and europe
>AMERICA IS JUST ONE COUNTRY IT'S NOT FAIR
>mock americans with poor international knowledge
>AMERICA IS PRACTICALLY FIFTY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IT'S NOT FAIR

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>>7253908
Sometimes, you need to post fresh

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>>7253935

>>7253962
I never said the second thing, and I don't speak for other people. I'm not sure what your reply has to do with my post.

>>7253467
Pretty much the equivalent of drinking bud and saying America can't into beer. The craft scene is of Amazing quality, and if you find a smaller cheese maker their product is ridiculous.

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>>7253878
>I've been to England and Ireland and still think America has better beer

>>7253767
>>7253792
IPAs can be quite good, though they're also a go-to for Brewers who think hop shock is an easy way to get hipster revenue (because the average macro drinker can't stomach it.) They're one of my preferred styles from the right breweries, but massively overdone overall.

Golden Monkey is a fun beer. They will only serve you two at the brewpub before they cut you off, though (I've been a few times).

>>7253998
HAve you ever been to America?

It wasn;t ven close, and all the English/Irish people I talked to who were familiar with American beer beyond Bud Light seemed to agree. I had a nice long discussion with some guys running a craft beer centric liquor store in London and they definitely though they were behind

>>7254002
>though they're also a go-to for Brewers who think hop shock is an easy way to get hipster revenue
You guys are just gonna have to deal with the fact that people like IPA. Sure a lot of the original west coast ones are pretty shitty, but most breweries make at least one good IPA now

>>7253998

It's a product of experiences and biases. Most people who firmly pick one went to the other for like a week.

On the American end, it'd be like trying Yuenglng, Bud, and Coors. If you went to Yurop and drank a bunch of Macros too your opinion would undoubtedly be low.

If someone talks shit about beer from any country but their go-tos for high quality beer are shit like Heineken or Stella, they don't have the right to an opinion, period.

Anyway, the place where America seems to actually have a definitive advantage is variety. Breweries in most countries but particularly Germany are very set in making good offerings along a very narrow scope, while in America if you take the time to hunt down the right craft you can get a ridiculous variety to find your favorite.

>>7254011
Like I said, I LOVE IPAs. But you see shit like Loose Cannon or Stone's IPA where it is just pure hops with no effort to establish a flavor beyond and it's shit.

For a counterpoint for an IPA that actually has an interesting flavor profile, I'd say look to Sixpoint's Bengali Tiger or Resin.

>>7254012
Yeah, hopefully as Europe finally catches on to the good beer trend, they skip the whole West Coast IPA phase and go straight to the midwest style more balanced and citrusy IPA

Beer is gross

>>7254081
Found the 12 year old

>>7254087
>being so insecure that you think the marketing guys are right and that every man has to drink and like beer, because peer pressure is more important than personal freedom
found the insecure fagget

>>7254096
Saying something isn't for you is a mature viewpoint.

Calling it "gross" because you don't like the taste is 12-year old logic.

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Euro fanta is different

I think I like both equally though

>>7254096
>that every man has to drink and like beer,
No, every adult should like beer so long as they have human genes. Hell even chimpanzees and lower primates probably would enjoy beer

Don't know why you try and bring gender into this

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>>7254110
fuck off 12yo

>>7253460
pic super duper related.

The regular commercial chocolate bars made by Nestle are actually made with chocolate and cocoa butter in Europe. In America, chocolate that does no contain cocoa butter can still be called chocolate, as long as it contains cocoa solids.

It pisses me off, and I have boycotted all chocolate companies that do not use cocoa butter for nearly a decade now.

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>>7254120
er, THIS pic

>>7254087
well I got one

Different people learn to like beer at different ages. I thought beer was nasty until I was 30, then all of a sudden it tasted good for no reason.

>>7254110
>No, every adult should like beer so long as they have human genes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

Next you're going to talk about how evolution was only spurred by alcohol consumption, right?

>>7254161
Please consider that people with that condition still very often drink alcohol and enjoy it

and even if they didn't, having a physiological reaction to alcohol =/= thinking beer tastes bad

>>7254150
>Different people learn to like cigarettes at different ages. I thought cigarettes were nasty until I was 30, then all of a sudden it tasted good for no reason.

>>7254182
expect cigarettes are objectively disgusting and terrible for you while beer is delicious and good for you in moderation

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>>7254188
>good for you
so good

>>7254179
>people with that condition still very often drink alcohol and enjoy it
>effects include Tachycardia...nausea, headache and general physical discomfort
is it really surprising that not everybody will find a "dry" and bitter drink unpleasant?

>>7254200
pleasant*

>>7254191

>didn't read "in moderation"

>>7254191
moderate beer consumption has widely proven to be beneficial

>>7254110
>every adult should like beer
>every adult should like X

Fuck off you buttblasted fascist

>>7254200
I don't think 'dry' is a reasonable way to describe the majority of beer
Sure its bitter in a sense, but not in a way that people tend to not find it delicious, in fact almost everyone who tries it ends up liking it as adults

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>>7254221

>>7254221
No it hasn't

>proven
By who?

>beneficial
How?

Alcohol is very widely acknowledged to increase risk of cancers/disease and decrease life expectancy.

>>7254245
>Alcohol is very widely acknowledged to increase risk of cancers/disease and decrease life expectancy.
You are thinking of extreme consumption levels. Like almost all things beneficial to your body, when consumption becomes too high it has negative results

In human males that level is about 3 per day, more than that and you see decreases in life expectancy, drinking 1-2 drinks per day results in an increase in life expectancy over abstainers

>>7254273
>1-2 drinks per day results in an increase in life expectancy over abstainers

No you stupid cunt. Alcohol is literally a poison and even though light drinking will not have much effect, if you never start you will always be healthier.

>>7254291
No, alcohol is not literally a poison in any meaningful sense of the term. It is only detrimental in large quantities, contrasted with cigarettes which are bad in any situation, moderate beer/wine consumption leads to increased lifespans
>if you never start you will always be healthier.
The fuck are you even basing this shit on?

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/alcohol/art-20044551
read this, it highlights how moderate consumption (up to 2 drinks for a male) leads to improved health and longer lives

>>7253642
I'm from California and our wines are decent, but have too high of an alcohol percentage. Fren wine is shitty, but Italian wine has them both beat.

>>7254228
unless the beer is sweet, it's dry, and the majority of beer isn't sweet

>>7254309
I'd rather drink two glasses of wine per day than two glasses of beer

also, two glasses of any alcoholic beverage is too much imo

>>7254309
remember when doctors told us smoking was healthy?

>>7254334
most of as aren't from the 1950s

>>7254324
plenty of beer is sweet, also I don't think it is fair to say everything is dry or sweet, there is plenty of middle ground that isn't in need of a word describing it

>>7254326
>I'd rather drink two glasses of wine per day than two glasses of beer
um, ok, then do that
What does that have to do with anything though? I prefer beer, but wine is cool too, both are quite similar from a health perspective

>>7254334
No, I am not nearly old enough for that.

So what is your stance? Doctors were occasionally wrong once long ago before science, so now we shouldn't trust doctors and instead should listen to anonymous people on a Mongolian basketweaving site?

>>7254347
>before science
so I'm literally talking to a 12yo. never mind then

>>7254349
Back in the day surgeon was just a side gig for barbers. Doctors didn't know fucking shit about science

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>>7254347
Reddit scientist detected

>>7254349
>>7254366
What are you advocating?
It sounds like you are saying because people were wrong once that everything science currently understands is also wrong. Which is just an absurd stance to hold. Are you saying all science is wrong, or that you feel comfortable just guessing for yourself when it is right and wrong with your fancy high school diploma?

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>>7254412
not the same person.

Companies pay for "scientific" studies to make people buy their shit. Nothing new, and cigarettes aren't the only example.

>>7254433
So you are the ultimate judge of what science counts?

This is some serious tin foil hat shit you are supporting. You can't just pick and choose what you want to believe because you think there is a slim possibility that some of the evidence is fake. If you don't have any evidence to support your stance it is anti-vaxxer/creationism/climate change denial tier

>>7254433

so what? don't trust the advertisers, study the research to see what's legit and what's not.

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>>7254445
>>7254450
>beer being healthy
give me more than a shitty website as source for your "scientific" proof then. Direct me to the actual study that this conclusion has been derived from

>>7253991
Christ in heaven Americans are predictable.
>Muh microcheeseries

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>>7254460
>>Muh microcheeseries

>>7254458
>give me more than a shitty website as source for your "scientific" proof then.

I didn't post a website at all, anon. That was my first post in the thread. I simply found your post, >>7254433 to be absurd so I replied.

Anyway, as for determining whether or not beer is healthy, that's pretty fucking simple, anon. Ask yourself what is found in beer. Then ask yourself if any of those things are dangerous in the concentrations present for normal consumption. What exactly do you think is in the beer that makes it unhealthy?

>>7254468
>dangerous
I'm not saying it's dangerous, but this retard here: >>7254309 claims that's it's even healthy for you.

Give me at least one scientific study that suggests this.

>>7254445
Pretty sure what he's saying is that you're using the word "science" the way religious people use the word "god's will"

Unless you are a subject matter expert, you should refrain from taking a strong position on stuff just because it was published in a scientific journal.

Talk to any older person with an advanced scientific degree, and try to get them to commit to a strong position on a topic outside of their area of expertise. You'll notice you won't succeed. And yet you, with your "science is kewl" feelings, and not even an advanced degree, have somehow proclaimed that you know better than anyone other than subject matter experts.

>>7254458
Just fucking google it, I have already provided a source from a trusted institution

I am not gonna search for scholarly articles as that would obviously just go over your head

>>7254485
>anonymous (nameless) staff
>trustworthy

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>>7254473
All evidence suggests beer is good in moderation. Stick your head in the sand and deny it all you want, but you can't just decide to disregard science when it doesn't fit your stance and expect us to take you seriously

>>7253481
>Yuro
>better BBQ

Pick one faggot.

>>7254485
>I am not gonna search for scholarly articles as that would obviously just go over your head

more like
>I can't find anything scientific to back up the shit that I pulled out of my ass, just believe me!

>>7254493
>All evidence suggests
Which evidence? Show it to me.

>>7254493
>reddit tier info-graph is now scientific study/proof
kill yourself.

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>>7254498
The infographic, silly billy. Why do feminists hate science?

>>7254481
>Unless you are a subject matter expert, you should refrain from taking a strong position on stuff just because it was published in a scientific journal.
This is a crazy stance. You do not need a PhD in a subject to be able to understand the modern scholarly discourse on it.
>Pretty sure what he's saying is that you're using the word "science" the way religious people use the word "god's will"
This is obviously a troll statement. Basing your statements on evidence is not similar to basing it off of something some dudes wrote in a book a long time ago. You do not need an advanced degree to understand this stuff

>>7254506
I don't see any citations on that infographic.

>>7254506
an infographic is not science you fucking retard.

some fagget (like you) made that infographic for attention on the internet. Post scientific study

>>7254508
>You do not need a PhD in a subject to be able to understand the modern scholarly discourse on it.
An infographic from beeradvocate.com isn't "modern scholarly discourse"
>Basing your statements on evidence
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3001541/
Anyone can put together evidence of something that's wrong. brb taking up smoking

>>7254515
>>7254521
https://www.google.com/search?q=moderate+beer+consumption+good+for+you&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
here you go, all the evidence you could ever need

>>7254527
>google is now scientific study

you claim something, the burden of proof is on you.

>>7254527
https://www.google.com/search?q=you+are+a+huge+faggot&gws_rd=ssl
Do not reply to me again until you have ready the first 150 links word for word, fucktard

>>7254521
http://www.bmj.com/content/312/7033/731.short
>Results from observational studies, where alcohol consumption can be linked directly to an individual's risk of coronary heart disease, provide strong evidence that all alcoholic drinks are linked with lower risk. Thus, a substantial portion of the benefit is from alcohol rather than other components of each type of drink.

>>7254537
everything else that is in beer aside the alcohol, is bad for you, and alcohol can be consumed from healthier sources (like wine)

>>7254106
Euro Fanta is much better.

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>>7254545

>>7254545
>everything else that is in beer aside the alcohol, is bad for you,
Like what?
This is blatantly false, beer, especially unfiltered craft beer is loaded with nutrients

>>7254556
>nutrients
You mean estrogen, enjoy your moobs

>>7254560
myth

>>7254552
no mate. You said "BEER is healthy for you".

Beer =/= Alcohol

Beer = tiny bit of alcohol and lots of other shit.

Tiny bits of alcohol can be good for reducing the risk of one single specific condition. But that doesn't make Beer as a whole healthy for you.

Enjoy this:

>While hops in beer will have a negative impact on men's hormonal balance, it may actually be positive for women. Hops has aphrodisiac-like qualities for women, as because of the phytoestrogen it contains, which mimic natural estrogen. Low sex drive in women is often cause by low levels of estrogen.
http://renegadehealth.com/blog/beerwine

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>>7254569
>this much in denial

>>7254575
Except the study I posted specifically looked at beer

Also the estrogen thing is a myth and what the fuck is "renegade health"

>>7253898
http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratings/TheWorstBeers.asp

Worst ones as well apparently

>>7254578
beer will make you fat if you drink a lot of it and do not exercise, but its no different than any other source of calories in that sense

>>7254581
>estrogen thing is a myth
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/

enjoy retards.

>>7254583
Not surprising, its pretty likely that he abundance of terrible beer and lack of good beer in the 70s and 80s America directly lead to the homebrew movement and from it craft beer as we know it. The fact that Euro beer is pretty shitty but not quite terrible like Bud Light/Yuengling is what caused them to fall into mediocrity and fail so badly at making the worlds best beers today

>>7254588
That article in no way suggests phytoestregens are present in beer in biologically significant quantities, nor does it suggest it would be bad if it were
Were you just hoping no one would open it?

>>7254460
kek

>>7254607
>biologically significant quantities
great buzzword, retard

>>7254575
>as because of the phytoestrogen it contains

That's completely absurd. Hormones (both male and female) have an incredibly short half-life in the body thanks to first-pass liver metabolism. The hormone would be destroyed by the liver well before it would have the opportunity to achieve anything--and that's assuming that it exists in high enough concentrations as well.

That's why hormonal medications (which actually DO work) are specially modified long-chain esters specifically to survive the liver. For example, bodybuilders or men with low testosterone don't take plain ol "test", they take a special long-chain ester like Testosterone Decanate. And even then it must be injected into fatty tissue so it is slowly released into the blood. Women who are on hormonal therapy for menopause, etc, take slow-release pills on a daily basis. Same with birth control pills. Hormones are very fragile molecules; without them being engineered to survive the liver and constant re-dosing they simply don't do anything.

And then there's the obvious one: if Hops in beer really did act like estrogen then why aren't women guzzling hops and growing giant boobs? Why don't men who drink beer develop gynocomastica? The answer is because beer doesn't do a damn thing in this regard. Tiny trace amounts of phytoestrogens are meaningless.

>>7254596
Holy shit, you just described the automobile manufacturing industry.

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>>7254614
>The hormone would be destroyed by the liver well before it would have the opportunity to achieve anything

>>7254613
Thats common scientific terminology. If something is so dilute that it has no measurable effect on the target organism, it is not biologically significant.

>>7254624
and you have proof that these phytoestrogens in beer have no significant effect? if so, post it.

>>7254621
Did you ever even take an into biochem course?

>>7254633
post proof

>>7254631
Read the article that you already posted

>>7254596
Or it's an American site so American beers are more prevalent, good and bad. Point being the ratings on those sites don't really prove anything don't really prove anything

>>7254643
America has 4000+ breweries, most making 10-30 beers a year and new ones every year. Most of the different beers made in the entire world are now american

Post the best beers from your country and compare them to the best beers in america. The best American ones will universally be perceived as better by most people unless maybe you live in Belgium

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American logic is hurr I was born here so it must be the best....

>>7254666
and what exactly is euro logic?
It seems the americans have consistently provided evidence while the euros just meme it up and move the goalposts

>>7254666
european logic
>I hate America so much
american logic:
>what country is europe again?

>>7254650
I'm from Ireland. I'm sure we don't have the best beers; haven't claimed it anywhere in this thread. Craft beers and micro breweries have only recently become a thing here.

I just thought it was funny that the worst beer list was almost all American

>>7254731
when I was in Ireland not too long ago I tried some stuff from Galway Bay brewery I think it was, and it was pretty good, but it seemed like most bars only had macros on tap, which are way the fuck better than american macros, but pretty much every bar in america has at least a few crafts on tap.
It looked like Diageo was trying to get out ahead of the craft beer influx that is bound to happen with a bunch of ok Guinness variants

>>7253512
When the meat is so disgusting, that you drown it in flavor.

>comparing Europe and murica
>1 shithole vs shitload of completely different cuntries

>>7253540
Never was, never will. More, yes - better, no.

>>7254769
yeah, thats the whole point of BBQ, it allows you to make the shitty cuts good too. I know Euros don't know much about preparing meat as it has mostly been too expensive for you though

>>7254318
>Italian wine is best

jesus what kind of shit are you drinking
Napa has produced amazing cabernet sauvignons for decades.

France is still king with chardonnay and sauvignon blanc varieties.

>>7254800
>he doesn't know
Napa cab is fine but it gets boring. There's a lot going on in France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal outside of the prestige appellations, that you don't hear about unless you're in a city that cares about wine.

Global warming is going to destroy Napa in any case, best get used to it.

ITT people who never actually were in Europe aside from Berlin/ Paris/London arguing about "good food" with people who never were in USA aside from New York.

>comparing frech whine to californian whine.
Both good, but comparing them only shows, that you never tasted them both.

>>7254792
We just don't use the shitty cuts for bbq.
Don't imply you do.

>>7254800
>chardonnay and sauvignon blanc.
The coca cola of whine. Sure, it's okay and you will never habe to worry. Then again it is the most boring choice possible.

>>7253671
I've been to most of the top breweries in
>Maine
>NH
>Mass
>NY
>Colorado
>Washington
>Oregon
>Cali
>Connecticut
>Delawhere

>France
>England
>Croatia
>Italy
>Germany
>Belgium
>Russia

And I'm also just recently became a lvl1 Beer Judge, and I can honestly say that the USA is not only leaps and bounds ahead of the EU, but is also driving the EU to improve. They were stuck in 'tradition' for the longest time, most of which came from having shit for ingredients, and then never really changed their recipes since then. Where as America is doing what ever the fuck they want and experimenting and innovating. So this leads to a lot of shit beers, but also a lot of top tier beers.

This thread basically confirms Europeans are dirty flyovers that live in their own disgusting bubble

>>7254805
drinking the wrong napa cabs bruv. I could drink anything from Stags Leap for years

>>7254826
>not liking blanc de blanc champagne

>>7254752
>but it seemed like most bars only had macros on tap, which are way the fuck better than american macros, but pretty much every bar in america has at least a few crafts on tap.

Yeah that's mostly the case. A lot of them are getting around to stocking the craft beers bottled now

>>7254826
God what a pleb. Not the guy you're quoting BTW.

>>7254816
im not using a fucking ribeye for BBQ
BBQ is for cuts that aren't as ideal for eating as steak

>>7254460
>Thinks Kraft Singles is the be-all and end-all of American Cheese

>Salty when someone objects

>>7253991
That's simply not true, because European cheesemakers are very competitive and refuse to share their best cultures with foreigners.

>>7255342
America was settled by europeans, most of the better cheesemakers moved there 100 years ago

>>7255342
If you want to argue the "best" cheesemakers do this in their tiny artisinal Yuro shops, okay, sure.

If you want to argue that American cheese quality isn't staggeringly higher than whatever the average Yuro wants to buy if you're willing to pay a bit extra, you're delusional.

That optimistically assumes no good Yuro cheesemakers immigrated.

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>>7255342
Americans aren't foreigners. Everyone else is.

>>7253624
It's better than horse

never been to america but I get the feeling their pizza is better

The bread americans eat seem terrible so europe wins that one

>>7253642
You're saying US beer is better than German? Kek

>>7253697
Are you fucking stupid? How can you compare German or Belgian beer to the piss water americans make?

>>7256392
German beer is not even close, and soon none will exist because it's absolutely haram.

>>7256398
German beer is great, but it's not better than Belgian, which is better than American "beer"

>>7253648
MUH MICROBREWERIES

>>7253838
Don't know about the Balkans, but the microbrewery movement has been going for at least 6 or 7 years now in Hungary for example, and note that Hungary is still nothing in terms of beer compared to Poland, let alone Czechia.

>>7253734
>small handful of styles

>Trappist beers
> Abbey beers
> Amber ale
> Blonde or golden ale
> Brown ale
> Champagne beers
> Dubbel
> Flemish Red
> Hop-accentuated beers and India Pale Ale
> Lambic beers (including Gueuze and Fruit Lambics)
> Oud bruin, or Flemish sour brown ale
> Pils or pale lager
> Saison
> Scotch ales
> Stout
> Strong ales
> Table beers
> Tripel
> White or wheat beer
> Winter or Christmas beers
quite a handful

>>7253648
netherlands my ass. yes belgian beer is superb but czech and polish beer are (at least in my opinion) the best around.

bavarian "Helles" is also great along with some german pilsners.

im german and drink A LOT of beer so maybe this counts for something

>>7256575
Dubbel and Tripel are types of Trappist beers which is a type of Abbey beer.

>>7256402
>he thinks we're talking about macros
kek

>>7253734
As living in a random flyover state, this is factually correct. The beer selection is ridiculous and quality.

>>7253740
This is also true unfortunately.

>>7254002
>IPAs can be quite good

Oh fuck off. Without exaggeration, 90% of IPAs are disgusting and worthless.

>>7255433
Pizza is literally bread with toppings, unless the bread is good the pizza is going to be shit
This is why flyover states think pizza has to have cool ranch doritos and a rack of sweet baby rays bbw ribs to be good
When quality fails, just add disgusting excess and if someone with a working set of taste buds accidentally walks in the door, shut down all criticism by saying he's pretentious and hates innovation

>>7257509
>oh fuck off with a reasonable opinion!!!

Eat shit you manchild

>>7256396
Do you live in 1980?