Do you guys think it's just a passing fad or is it here to stay?
Even if it fades deep into obscurity, there will always be a few people who practice and evangelize it. And it's the kind of idea that can be independently discovered. I bet there have been people all around the world who have come up with the idea on their own. The idea of removing meat from a diet is an old one, and a few people will always take something to its extreme.
Yep I've done it before with sheep as well for birria. I love on a farm with pet horses (ne we don't eat them) and sheep, cows, goats as well. Fresh for milk in the morning is awesome.
I think it will slowly become the diet of most of the world based on how many resources are spent on livestock. The rising cost of meat has made me a pescatarian, and I make sure it's all sustainably harvested.
I'm not even that poor or anything, there are just so many alternatives to meat now that I can get my required protein from much cheaper and just as tasty sources while maybe helping the environment a little bit. Probably not for the last part but whatever.
Cry moar, fuccboi.
And yes, I would. I never have since I don't own or know anyone who owns any cows. I've killed several moose, reindeer and deer though, and slaughtered or helped slaughter even more of them. It's called not being a pussy and not being urban scum.
I do agree that modern animal husbandry on an industrial scale is despicable, and that overall meat consumption should be greatly reduced for environmental reasons (in my country, the average weekly consumption has increased from 400 grams to nearly 1.5 kg per week in just 20-25 years, within my own lifetime)
Scavengers have much shorter digestive tracts than we do.
Veganism has been around for a long time. A plant based diet is associated with many religious practices. Many Buddhist monks are vegan. Greek Orthodox Christians eat a vegan diet during their Lenten fast.
Modern secular veganism originated during the Industrial Revolution, which makes sense. No need to eat meat in an industrialized society, and products from animals raised in an industrialized manner are kinda sketchy.
So this "fad" has been a thing since the early 1800's. That's 100 years before pizza and burgers were "fads" in America. I kinda doubt it's going anywhere.
>it was literally the diet of the first humans,
What the fuck are you talking about? The homo genus is defined by its use of stone tools, which were used to process meat. Every single member of the genus has been proven to have engaged in hunting or scavenging activities, and the main consensus for what enabled our rapid brain growth as a genus is more consumption of animal proteins.
>the main consensus for what enabled our rapid brain growth as a genus is more consumption of animal proteins.
Many believe it was actually cooking. Being omnivores was a good start, but the ability to cook our food, making it easier to digest (and less likely to make us sick) really gave us a leg up.
Humans have been eating meat for approximately 2 million years.
Any claim along the lines "our teeth don't look like those of other meat-eaters, so obviously we're meant to be vegetarians" suggests a misunderstanding of evolution. There is no long-term plan with evolution, no careful design toward a single endpoint. Characteristics are adapted and readapted as conditions change. We're 'meant' to do whatever we currently do. Saying we're not meant to eat meat because we started eating it less recently than some other species is like saying whales are meant to walk rather than swim because they still have tiny vestigial leg bones.
Brain size jumped to modern human volumes with H. Neanderthals, which almost exclusively ate meat. Neanderthals have a brain size of 1450cc, modern humans averaging about 1550cc. H. Habilis started using stone tools extensively but stuck to a plant based diet only had about 900cc brain volume. The brain uses a lot of energy, something that a meat diet would provide.
Having heavily processed food means we easily exceed the required calories but god do I wish vegans would die.
No, but not being a bleeding heart cunt makes me more of a man, and not being freaked out by blood and guts as well. Humans are a part of and from nature, in nature things kill other things for sustenance, deal with it. Hunting and killing for food is about as natural as fucking, sure, you can choose not to do either, but stop trying to preach that everyone should follow you into self imposed asceticism. Besides, killing them is fucking necessary since there aren't enough predators these days, a bullet is better than starving to death (and no, feeding doesn't work in the wild, not with prey animals).
Here to say, whether it will reach mass adoption is the real question.
The other big threat to it is that the moral component is that animal "suffering" is caused. So if in vitro production of meat becomes a thing, will vegetarians persist on the whole?
we are biologically herbivores. we're not meant to eat meat because it causes cancer, gives us health problems and we cant digest it properly. There are just so many health, environmental and ethical reasons to be vegan that it is completely wrong to say otherwise.
Vegetarians are only vegetarian because they think it makes them interesting. It's not from any sort of well reasoned thoughts or arguments, it's purely so they have one more thing to bitch/have an opinion about.
They do not give a single true shit about the welfare of animals, otherwise they wouldn't partake in any animal products at all.
You sound like someone who feels threatened when he looks at the world and sees it moving away from the idealized view of the past you identify with. Being the tough guy who hates cities and loves running around the woods with a gun in your hand? You're well on your way to becoming an anachronism - an unfunny caricature of your grandfather, who likely had the sense of humor you do not..
No, we're omnivores like pretty much all other great apes, you fucking cretin.
>muh meat rots in your guts meme
>muh flat teeth meme
>muh cancer meme
>muh you don't get cancer from plants meme
Using "the first humans ate that way" as a reason is just as fucking bad as those stupid Paleo idiots who use "our hunter gatherer ancestors ate this way".
Humans are an evolving species just like every other. We are omnivores at this point in our timeline. We can eat nearly anything (which doesn't me we SHOULD, your general health should always be your top concern when it comes to your diet). Veganism is more of a mental health problem than a diet.
Will we always have impressionable white people with too much time on their hands, who want an easy way to express moral outrage but don't want to put any real effort into doing anything to improve the lives of people in this world? And are also really bad at science?
Why, yes. Yes, we will.
I'm in Veterinary and constantly being bombarded by veganism. I've a sort of friend who is a lesbian and "recently" converted to it and is extremely obnoxious, always posting about vegan stuff all day everyday.
It might be here to stay but it will never replace eating meat and animal products.
just be happy you live in a society that helps your condition.
without modern technology and practices you would die off.
you're nothing but a bunch of emotion filled retards with a moral high ground for cattle.
>just be happy you live in a society that helps your condition.
couldn't be happier about it
>without modern technology and practices you would die off.
Then I guess I'm well suited for the environment in which I find myself.
>you're nothing but a bunch of emotion filled retards
You seem upset.
The average age was low due to the extremely high rate of infant deaths. If you made it past your teens you would live about as long as we do today. Discounting infant deaths, our average age has been constant for 2000 years.
I dont understand this argument
should I stop buying beef jerky and chicken because of this?
I like the taste, but until I find something that tastes as good as bacon or other meats I wont stop eating the real thing
I see no reason to feel sorry for animals. I have no obligation to them as a species. Hurting them for no reason seems unnecessary, but if them being uncomfortable makes humans more comfortable then I'm all for it.
I've raised and killed chickens before, and pigs. Honestly they don't have a lot going on mentally.
Sure you can get attached to a particular one like you would with any piece of property. If I had a pet pig I wouldn't stop eating pork.
I honestly just don't care that much about animal pain. Why? Because they're not humans.
It's here to stay.
In fact, in 200 years vegans will free roam on massive 'safe space' college like campuses spanning hundreds of miles where they will graze on foliage and jack eachother off.
Eating game and fish is not bad. Mass-produced meat industry is literally one of the worst things on this planet, if you internalize this and are fine with it, ok, but don't try and act ignorant about the environmental damage and animal cruelty around it.
It is true that modern meat farming practices fuck over a lot of places. Even if you don't believe on a large scale, the modern cattle industry has contributed hugely to numerous species going extinct as has fish farming.
I mean. Yes, but it'll end up making earth much more difficult to live on for humans. I don't really care too much as long as we preserve some sort of biological record. However in the long run (with our lifetimes) it'll make earth measurably worse to live on.
Or if we really fuck up earth's atmosphere could actually become unsustainable to humans within 200 years. However that's a worse case scenario.
Haha, you're actually serious? I've rarely heard something more self absorbed in my life. Fucking pathetic.
This is entirely hypocritical and I'm aware, but people like you should be forcibly sterilized, and possibly ground up to be turned into compost.
The problem is that the earth isn't just yours, and we'll continue piling on that guilt until vegans are a majority.
>The problem is that the earth isn't just yours, and we'll continue piling on that guilt until vegans are a majority.
Bullshit. Animals would treat human like shit given the chance. Ever heard of the pig farmer who had a stroke in his pen and the pigs fucking ate him? I have an obligation to man, not animals. I don't feel guilt over animal pain if it benefits humans because I fucking value human comfort over animal comfort.
Most animals tend to leave humans alone. We are the worst killers by miles.
Anyway the modern world is being destroyed by a lot of ways and animal agriculture is major and needs to be stopped.
See, I'm find with the environmental impact argument. I dislike the moral one because it implies the comfort of animals is more important than that of humans.
And we're the worst killers because humans are the best at it (actually this is untrue, ants are the actual work killers, but fuck it). Animals just aren't equipped to kill humans and stay away from humans because we tend to win the fight.
The point made was that humans kill more than other animals, so don't try to pretend it wasn't. Considering most humans never kill an animal in their life, and some live on a completely vegan diet, we are definitely not high up on that list. And if we were, so what?
Fad yes, passing, unlikely. People adhere to it for any number of reasons, ranging from personal conviction about the treatment of animals and the ethics of eating them to something as having something lord over others and feel superior about.
A cow? No. Not worth it, beef ain't even that good. A deer, a hog, a duck? Sure.
That said, living in the wild is not any great thing for prey animals, and if you're worried about how the animals are treated, get to know your local farmers because you're sure to find some that treat their animals well.
>mfw there are no actual vegans in this thread and just trolls trolling trolls
I very nearly shook my head at some of the nonsense here until I realised every last bit of it was bait.
You sound like the kind of posters who removed all the lulz from /b/ over the last eight years. Let me guess: you take the shit you post here seriously because no one in real life gives a fuck about your opinions? Amirite?
Got to get something off your chest anon?
Jesus fuck I bit the bait.
Let me talk about a foreign concept to most of the people here
>people can eat what they want
Holy shit?! Yes, there is studies that prove eating TOO much meat is bad but there is also plenty of erupting studies that show a decrease in brain growth and lack of memory retention when you don't eat meat proteins. Thanks to modern science we can eat what we want and still be healthy,
fuck off vegans for being so imposing and self entitled
Fuck off vegan haters for getting mad because someone doesn't eat meat or drink milk
Either way it's proven happiness is more important to health than your diet (to an extent don't eat fucking fast food everyday just because you like it)
And if I asked you for some sources you wouldn't give me anything credible and if you did it would be vague. I don't even eat a lot of meat because it's expensive and I'd rather spend my money on cheese
veganism is the way to go, a lifetime consumption of beef would result in more damage to the environment than driving would, not that I really care, I couldn't live a day as a vegan
I would not, but only because I don't know how to do it quickly or efficiently. I would also ruin a lot of the meat trying to butcher it myself. That's why I buy it at the supermarket; AFTER all that shit I don't know how to do has been done by a machine that does.
Thanks for listening Satan, here it is.
People's choices make me SO MAD, but you know what? It's because they try to shove it down my throat and guilt me about it. Like Catholics and atheists: you wanna believe in a god? Good. You don't? Cool. Just leave it at that m8y, I don't really wanna hear why you think the other side is retarded or whatever. Same with vegans, vegetarians, whatever. I eat meat, you don't; will that get in the way of us getting to be friends/talking/knowing each other? If no, neat. If yes, by by bby.
Thanks satan, I feel much better you really know how to listen
I agree with you completely. I have no patience for proselytizers of any stripe. Unfortunately we live in a world where politics and food are interwoven. Our government subsidizes ridiculous corn and soy production, and a big part of the reason for this is to assure cheap meat and dairy. I don't care what you choose to eat, and I would hope my own choices don't irritate you, because there's no reason they should.
But from a political perspective I will actively speak out against agricultural policies that are environmental disasters (and very likely public health disasters as well) just so milk, meat and cheese for cheap at Costco, and fast food burgers can sell for a few bucks. And a by-product of this is cheap sugar, which isn't doing anyone any good.
I have no problem with people choosing what they want to eat, and I sure as fuck do not look down on anyone who chooses to eat meat and dairy. But I'm very much against the industrialized production of cheap meat and dairy, and the government subsidizing it is absurd.