What are you guys drinking tonight?
Nothing tonight, I'm sick. Went up and visited pic related and Bent Paddle over the weekend though.
Thirsty Pagan had 2 sours I actually liked. One was aged in tequila barrels briefly, the other was some kettle red barrel aged thing that was even better. Didn't try the last sour because I had to drive and also had a couple of their standard beers.
Bent paddle has their cold press black ale on nitro and it's incredible. They also had a blueberry infused blonde that was even better.
Having some pic related tonight. Trois Musquetaires Baltic Porter. Shit is fantastic, glad I grabbed three rather than just one.
>I'm poor and I just want to get drunk: the drink
question to anyone in the know about alcohol-related cirrhosis/liver damage:
is there a significant difference in the effects on the liver done by a 5% beer and a 4% beer?
it would seem like there shouldn't be, considering they're both still minuscule %'s of the beer consumed, yet there is also a noticeable difference in the inebriating effects of both
Had these two last night, pretty nice. I tried Chimay triple the other day, which was my first triple. It was delicious but I found out it was $9.50 a glass and I found this to be a decent alternative for the price.
Picked up a 6 pack off the clearance table to try out
>Chandler is part of Phoenix
>Cant into standard grid layout for a big city
>Lives in Ireland
>into the trash it goes
I am drinking this right now.
I wish I had a better picture but I don't, these guys, Transmitter, are still pretty small and I don't think you can even get their beer outside of NY or MAYBE CT, but they supply the place I work at and I am fairly certain they had a sales rep/brewer here one time giving out samples.
Anyway, the beer is pretty good, but a bit different from what I was expecting. I don't imagine many of you are into pu'erh tea, but this beer taste exactly like aged pu'erh tea, in beer form of course.
Earthy, hay, forest floor, barns, but also some peppery spice and also some frutiness in the way of maybe apricots or peaches or something.
What's your favorite [/cheap/] beer? I've got a soft spot for Mickey's, if only for the novelty of the stubby little hand grenade bottles.
No, I love saisons, I also love sour beers, and I also love brett beers, and I have had a lot of them, this beer is unique in how much it tastes like the last pu'erh I was drinking. It also has a sort of smokey, bitter taste, which the last pu'erh I ha tasted like.
This falls in my favorite style of beer, I think I know what they generally taste like and when one of them taste slightly or a lot different.
I can't find a beer I like. Every beer just tastes somewhere between 'kinda bad' and 'awful' to me.
Only once did I ever enjoy a beer, and that was about 6 years ago. It had a strong wheaty flavor and maybe some nuts, but I can't remember the name at all.
I've tried various "wheat beers" but none of them came close. Can someone recommend me a beer I might like? For the record I find IPAs disgusting and belgian ale to be not that bad.
>He's drinking from a bottle labelled BBC
Is it salty?
Well, wings are generally strongly seasoned so it seems like a pretty good match to me. If your beer is too "mild" then you have the exact same problem in reverse--the hot sauce on the wings would totally drown out the beer.
Local place today for me lads. It's called Route 30 in Riverside, CA. It opened last Friday I think. They only have four beers so far but their pale ale is decent. I'm like 99% sure their cream stout is infected with something because it tastes like a cherry sour and not in a good sense. I feel sick.
Agreed. I find that pale ales and IPAs go well with spicy Hispanic or Asian food.
>tfw the Mexican hot dog place down the street has a better selection of beer than the "craft beer gastropub" in downtown
>they rotate their taps weekly
Check it out, Sonora Grill. Bomb stuff. Dat dere bacon dog.
You need to match your food/drink pairings. If you're eating spicy food then a strong beer will pair better.
I'm drinking Dirt Wolf tonight. It's a great double IPA (It's got more more pine flavor than fruit flavor, in my opinion) and I managed to buy some that was only bottled 3 weeks ago. I'd eat wings with it if I had them.
Oh fug forgot the pic I bothered to google for.
>>tfw the Mexican hot dog place down the street has a better selection of beer than the "craft beer gastropub" in downtown
>>they rotate their taps weekly
lol that's like the laundromat around the corner from me has one of the best beer selections in town if you're into niche craft beers.
Southern Tier Warlock
Didn't realize how sketchy the picture was until uploading. Oh well.
It's good, but I don't love it as much as I probably should love a, "special," beer like this. First sips were probably too cold, and it mostly just tasted of soy and spice. The pumpkin is nice and present -- and aromatic -- now that I've let it come up a bit. Still just a little too sweet for me, without anything roasty or savory to balance it out.
Good, just not great. I feel like it's supposed to be great.
Yeah, we have something called a World of Beer, and something called an Ale House, and a hotel down the street that talks about having 20-something taps.
Yet the locally-owned, not-very-classy video game bar that is literally just an empty store front someone bought and put a bunch of video games in to has the best beer selection by far.
>local bottle shop has Dirt Wolf available all the time
>freshest one was from 5+ months ago
That's essentially how it is. It's still kinda weird going in there for lunch and seeing older blue collar guys from the auto shop next door guzzling down Racer 5 like the worlds gonna end tomorrow.
Having it now at room temperature, you are correct.
I question their advice, which is 42 degrees, just a notch above my refrigerator.
That said, while it's at its best right now, and I will probably finish it later at room temp, drinking it as the flavor profiles have changed has been fun.
Only one beer good for me.
Drinking pic related and I have to say, this is probably one of my favorite breweries in minnesota. All their beers are solid as hell. Extremely consistent. Check them out if you're in Minneapolis ever.
I'm drinking Boulevard's Rye on Rye 2015. I'm honestly not into whiskey barrel aged beer, but I like it. I assume a big part of that is because I really enjoy rye beers overall.
Dinner time in my neck of the woods. Has anyone heard of Ark? It's a Korean microbrewery from what the internet and the bottle tells me. This is the second time I've had this beer and it's actually pretty good. Probably my favorite IPA that I've bought in a supermarket.
Backwoods Bastard is incredible. I've only had it on draft, but it was completely incomparable to Dirty Bastard which is supposedly its base.
Here are a few beers I've loved recently:
Stone - Double Bastard
Cigar City Brewing - Jai Alai (tastes like half fruit juice and half ipa if you get it fresh)
Victory - Hop Devil
Ballast Point - The Commodore
Troegs - Nugget Nectar (Haven't had it recently, it's seasonal)
Bierbrouwerij De Koningshoeven - La Trappe Quad
Dogfish Head - Indian Brown Ale
Last night I had two beers from 21st Amendment Brewery. They were both called He Said, and they were both pumpkin beers. One was a tripel and the other was a baltic porter. The tripel was ok but the porter was the first beer I've ever poured down the drain, and I'm fine with Steel Reserve.
My first bottle of the brand new Sierra Nevada Otra Vez is pretty delicious. I wonder how it will hold up as I drink more of them but my first impression is positive. It makes my mouth water like crazy with the salt and slight sour taste. I got a 6-pack of this and the Tropical IPA today so it will be a Sierra Nevada-heavy weekend.
Well keep checking the dates and don't give up. That's shitty for the store to keep it in stock but people there must not realize how good (and affordable) Dirt Wolf is.
>Last night I had two beers from 21st Amendment Brewery. They were both called He Said, and they were both pumpkin beers. One was a tripel and the other was a baltic porter. The tripel was ok but the porter was the first beer I've ever poured down the drain, and I'm fine with Steel Reserve.
That's a shame. I had considered buying this one but it sounded so strange that I skipped it. Looks like that was the right choice.
I honestly don't understand the ratings it gets. Nothing spectacular, but it's rated as a solid beer. Did I get a bad batch? It actually tasted bad, not just not good. Like I said, I'm down with PBR, Steel Reserve, Mickey's, all sorts of mediocre beer, but this beer was off the charts terrible.
Had this tonight. It was weird as fuck.
I can usually sort beer as unpleasant, good, or forgettable. This didn't really fit as any. It wasn't bad, but I'll probably never drink it again, yet it also was very fucking memorable.
It was just so fruity. Not in the way a good wheat beer should be, more like a Tropicana juice blend. My mouth tastes like I just had something to drink with breakfast.
Just so fucking weird. And not at all what I picture when I think of winter flavors.
It's a damn shame too because on another forum, a bunch of Northern California people have said that Backwoods Bastard is just sitting on shelves along with their Porter and their stouts.
It's weird because most of the Hop Devil that they do put out is relatively fresh (less than a month) so I don't get what the deal is. Do tell how the Tropical IPA is, it sounds like that Jai Alai mentioned before.
Drinking this. It's pretty damn good. I am gonna age one and pop it open a few years down the line. It was kind of expensive though for the 4 pack though. Im out in california and some DFH stuff is really hard to come across
Malt liquor is a bullshit labeling used to skirt around outdated laws in some parts of the US where any item specified as 'beer' can't have over a certain amount of alcohol.
Not impressed at all, might just as well had been macro lager.
I got that the other night. I was about to take the 8.99 sticker off and put it in my mix and match six pack but I didn't get the opportunity. It was trash to me, I saw DFH Fort right next to it for the same price, but didn't see the ABV so I didn't get it. It probably would have been a lot better.
So is pabst essentially meh-may beer now, or is it actually good?
Asking from someone who can't notice a difference between beer because I dont drink much. I mean, I ordered one at buffalo wild wings and it was good, but it didnt taste different from say, a stella artois that I drink occasionally.
Usually really enjoy Brooklyns stuff, but this one seems to have been forgotten in their basement in some bourbon barrel way to long. Very boozy!
PBR and Lone Star and Stella and Heineken and Kirin and Sapporo and Yuengling and etc are maybe possibly arguably a slight minor step up from budweiser et al but the difference is extremely minor. The main asset they all have is excellent quality control and extreme precision, so you know exactly what you'll get. By contrast, some small-scale local breweries can produce legitimately undrinkable beer from time to time.
Classic czech taste with some hints of darker malts. Very good!
They always seemed to insist on shipping their stuff in clear bottles, then those bottles where sitting on the top shelves with maximum light at them!
Now they got brown bottles with bad beer going in them instead.
I find that a lot of barrel aged beers are like that. Bourbon County felt more like low ABV bourbon than a beer to be honest. The Abyss is one of the barrel aged beers that does it right, super delicious.
Had a veritable shitload of barrel aged stuff, some more and some less influenced by this on the taste and/or nose but this one was just over the top.
For the record best one i had was the Buxton/Omnipollo yellowbelly sundae, one knew there was bourbon tones in there, just the right amount!
>Do tell how the Tropical IPA is, it sounds like that Jai Alai mentioned before.
The Sierra Nevada Tropical IPA was not what I expected. The average DIPA I've had tasted "fruitier" and what the Tropical IPA really smelled and tasted like was weed. As soon as I opened it it smelled almost like someone was smoking a bowl in the next room. It's pretty dark for an IPA too and it wasn't bad but the weed scent/taste was a surprise. I'll drink more of them and have a clearer idea of it.
I bought a 4-pack of Higher Math and a 4-pack of Fort when they were available in Delaware a few months ago. Fort was amazing and worth the price (you can only feasibly drink one in a sitting anyway) while the Higher Math was a little bit too much for me. HM was good but so rich and strong that I'd only enjoy it in specific situations. I bought another pack of HM though to age for at least a year since it will be better if it mellows and I think that it will. HM is also a one-time-only thing while Fort has been brewed before and will come back so you'll have more chances to try it.
Was looking for this thread.
This was a couple beers ago. A little drunk now but not done
i'm partial to the steel taste
I totally believe it's possible it was a bad batch. For example: I once had the Organic Chocolate Stout from Samuel Smith. It tasted like ass. But I have no reason to doubt ratebeer and other reviewers when they rave about it. The bottle was bad plain and simple.
Nothing, absolutely nothing. I'm on a minimum sugar, no alcohol, healthy food and workout only month.
The alcohol is no problem, as I'm not an alcoholic. The sugar and healthy food only, though... I'd love me a burger and soda. Or beer. But I crave soda more desu.
This is what Im drinking tonight, and its amazing. Had this for a while, but decided tonight was a good night for it.
Not sure how available it is outside the UK, and its quite expensive also.
>That Tek Syndicate cup
Good form, sir.
Here's what I drink all the time. Creamy, and fantastic.
Had a lot of good beer recently.
I kind of went super heavy on the IPAs but I do love the style.
I had Victory Hop Ranch which I love and definitely recommend. It is very tropical and wet tasting, and the pilsner malt works great.
I had the Stone/Sierra Nevada colab NXS, which was surprisingly normal tasting with very minimal barrel character.
Then I had Sierra Nevada's Neomexicanus IPA which had very interesting mint and melon notes.
I also had both Sierra Nevada's new beers, Otra Vez and Tropical IPA. Both are good, though they should have called tropical IPA the DANK IPA because it literally smells like weed. Otra Vez is a good, unique gose, so easy to drink.
I also had Alpine Nelson which I had been waiting to try for a while, and it definitely showcases that tropical fruit and cat piss character of the Nelson Sauvin hop. The rye also gives it a nice, spicy character as well.
Miniature haul. Thank goodness for Total Wine's make-your-own six pack thing. The ones in the back are Sam Smith's Imperial Stout and Sam Smith's Taddy Porter which I haven't had before but have heard good things about them. Kitty decided to not be camera shy for once.
I'll probably never get the chance to try here down here in Southern California but "bourbon tones" sounds right up my alley.
Oof, sounds intense. I do like hoppy IPAs but when they get into "dank" territory it becomes a bit much, at least for me.
Oh baby, that's one good oatmeal stout there.
Sam Smith's Oatmeal Stout is really nice. Low-ish ABV and it tastes really darn good to boot. Another good one is Oatis from Ninkasi, it's criminally underrated and there's a vanilla version of it that's just as good.
Run into this one a few times on the shelves but never gave it a try. Lot of spice and fruit. Tasty.
Just opened up this. pretty good, I think I like it better than their other IPAs
Been going through the Crooked Stave beers lately. This one is breddy gud.
They are all pretty amazing, so far.
About $10 per bottle where I am.
Tastes like chocolate-cherry cake. Not my thing, but I think they nailed their attempt. No alcohol "punch" that I was expecting at 18 ABV.
Good idea to age one.
HM is 18%, Fort is 17% iirc.
Ballast can almost do no wrong. About to be bought out if they haven't been already. Not a milk stout fan, but Calm Before the Storm is delicious.
Hard for me to buy a 22 if it's not a cellar, but I'll give it a try if you say so.
The Mrs is having the one on the left. Definitely a great dessert beer though it's a bit sweet for me. I'm having the oatmeal stout, more up my alley. Nice roastiness, super drinkable.
IIRC, they've been bought out already. 1 billion dollars. Not that it's a problem, if anything the buy out might mean more beer distributed so everyone can enjoy it. Calm is definitely good, looks like a blonde drinks like a coffee stout. My personal favorite is their VaS, then again I think most people like that one a lot too.
The Duet isn't a 22, it's a 12. It's definitely good. Kind of wish I had gotten just a 6 pack of that instead!
Victory at Sea isn't my cup of tea
but the sculpins are on point, imo
so I'm sure the VaS is good, just not to my liking.
> if anything the buy out might mean more beer distributed so everyone can enjoy it.
you sound like a salesman, lol, but I agree. people get upset (where I am) when a local place gets bought out. but really, it just means more stringent regulation.
I've just seen the Duet in 22z, and it's a shelf turd. Most of our 22z are shelf turds.
>mfw I'm trying to talk ppl in to buying Deschuttes Cognac Abyss.
>mfw i have no face
I was visiting friends and went to a brew-pub, for the first time I tried oyster stout, supposedly actually using oysters in the process.
I liked it, almost kinda briny at the end, which I surprisingly liked. Mind you, it mostly tasted like a regular dry stout.
Had my first Jai Alai yesterday, at a wedding from a keg. Surprising, since I'm like 30 minutes from their brewery, but I'm not an IPA person.
I could be if they were all this good. Still wouldn't ever pick it over most other common varieties, but it was the first IPA I've ever had where I wanted more.
Also had a Longboard from the bottle. It was just a little less plain than beer could possibly be. Slightly maltier than the typical pale lager, which made it slightly better than 100% forgettable.
Refer to my post here: >>7250198
It's my standard beer. The only one I drink outside of the fancy shit I buy. Howe Sound Brewing comes out with a nice hemp ale around 4/20 as well.
Guinness tastes like wet cardboard. I love stouts, but holy shit was I disappointed by Guinness. Watery, bland, just unpleasant overall.
you pompous ass jerk, as if you had a palate
Trying some good Belgium beer. Best I could find in this wine fetishist faguettes land
it's anejo tequila, aged in oak casks to give it the colour and flavour of a scotch but with the lingering aftertaste of agave
Nothing like a nice cold one after a hard day in the rat race.
AKA: Anything but beer, both because I'm not an alcoholic, or a raging faggot like OP. Beer is literally a meme drink. Enjoy your shit, advertised taste.
This is very good. I'm not one for pale ales but wow. Definitely getting it again.
I like beer, but I find hard liquors and wine to taste like shit.
Acquiring a taste for beer didn't take long. I don't like them all but I find barky Ales and Light Lagers to be my preferred area.
How do I acquire a taste for liquors and mixed drinks? I can't seem to make out taste past "wow it taste like how I imagine automobile fuel tastes, this taste like the most efficient way to become drunk without bothering to make it enjoyable to drink"
I only find them good as a way to get drunk in shots. Every thing from mixed drinks to jello shots feels like an attempt at disguising the fact that what you are drinking taste like diesel fuel.
I drank one of these, thought it was the most disgusting shit on the planet. Then the remain five sat in my fridge for a month until I got the sudden urge to drink them, then I suddenly liked their powerful demon god taste and drank like three in a row.
This is such a pleasant drink. Glad I got it.
That's how I felt about stouts when I had first tried one. I thought it was disgusting too. Weird, eh?
Just put one of pic related in the fridge for later tonight.
Going shopping later this week, what would you guys recommend for someone who is relatively new to beer? My favorites so far are Gulden Draak, Abt 12 and Gauloise 10° Triple Blonde.
That's what I've been doing, just looking for suggestions.
Any beers in the UK that taste like a better Grolsch? I like the earthiness but it's still kind of watery.
shit like this reminds me of this one time at a convenience store when this fat negresses total came to $6.66 and she briefly chimped out before grabbing a pack of gum to change the total.
Had this tonight, first Mikkeller in quite a while. It was...OK. Nothing special, quite malty for an American style IPA. Easy to drink, considering that it was 7%.
Having a cheeky sip of this tonight. It's nice to find a locally brewed beer that costs less than £3 for a change. That and I'm a sucker for a good label.
I'm trying Bell's Cherry Stout tonight. I looked at reviews before buying and saw a lot of people complaining that it tasted like "cough syrup" so I bought a bottle to try but had doubts. It's not like that at all though and tastes like a stout first but has a tart aftertaste. It's interesting and not super sweet. Bell's makes great stouts and I should have trusted them.
I like your taste, anon. The Stone/SN collab sounded like it could be amazing from the description so it's a shame it came out the way it did. I'd love to see some beer with noticeable gin influence. It might not be good but I want to try it since I enjoy gin and beer separately.
A bourbon-barrel-aged sour fermented with brettanomyces? That's like every big trend from the past few years crammed together. I've tasted all three things but never even combined two of them in one beer before so that stuff must be wild.
You've got exciting taste for someone new to beer. I'd say you should keep branching out with Belgian beers since you already listed a few as favorites. Try that La Chouffe, it has the gnome guy on the front, in the green boxes here >>7257847
In the USA I enjoy Belgian beers and I like Abt 12 a lot but also drink American brewery's Belgian-style beers and recommend Ommegang's Gnomegang (made with La Chouffe's yeast) and Allagash's Tripel and Wit.
I've already tried La Chouffe, it's available from my local supermarket so it's one of the first I tried. It was not bad, but not something I'd buy again soon.
>exciting taste for someone new to beer
It surprises me too. 1-2 years ago I probably wouldn't have liked any of them and most likely not even be able to tell the difference in taste. I'm still nog fan of 'regular' beer (Jupiler etc) though.
Now if only I can learn to eat more cheeses...
Thanks for the suggestions!
saving it for the weekend but it's going to be hard
has anyone even? their private labels aren't bad.
I'll cry with ya man.
Tonight's my first night sober in many years :(
GUYS I GOT A TOY IN MY GUINNESS IT'S A LITTLE BALL I'M HAVING SO MUCH FUN
I'm drinking Hop Devil tonight. It's a Victory beer. I've only ever had Golden Monkey from them, but this stuff is really good. It tastes kinda weedy to me for some reason. I was gonna get Dorado from Ballast Point because I knew the store had it, but it was old. I'm tired of fucking old beer, especially IPAs. Why is it not illegal? DURR BEER HAS ALCOHOL IT DOESNT GO BAD :) no it fucking doesn't for a long time but the taste still gets destroyed
Been seeing a lot of Von Trapp in the stores lately, drinking the pilsner
It's from a Vermont brewery, and it's pretty good, super drinkable.
No idea what the availability is like, but we got it here in New Hampshire.
It's nice to see more craft lagers, I'm honestly kind of sick of super hoppy IPAs, it's been done a billion times.
does weissbier typically turn you into a desert?
just tried one today, a Julius Echter Dunkel, the flavor was incredible but holy fuck I feel so damn dehydrated
Got some beer i had ordered before new years today. Just had to have a few of them!
This one i have tried to get my hands on for a long time, finally got it and i love it! Sadly one of the three bottles i got was only half filled, probably gone bad due to this fact.
Still this beer is probably the best coffee imperial stout i have ever had!
Was it creamy? Looks a bit thin.
Drinking this right now. SO GOOD. Very fruity, best American Pale Ale I've had in a long time.
Not super creamy as an milk stout or so, but you could feel you where drinking a big beer still.
Followed it up with this frankenstein of a beer.
Same beer, rear label. Real dense mixture of stuff in this one, still it manages to just take the best out of all the stuff as it is quite tasty!
So that's Milkshake. I live near Tired Hands and I've heard talk of Milkshake but I haven't actually tried it. The beers I have had there were delicious but I find the limited releases and super-low supply annoying.
>go to my local beer store (if anyone lives in RVA, Corks and Kegs)
>get a 20 dollar mix and match 12 pack
>somehow I drank it all last night
>only good beers were The Public from DC Brau and Vital IPA from Victory
One of the beers was Prima Pils from Victory. It smelled incredible but I'm convinced that even the best pilsners taste like budweiser with extra hops.
also breckenridge brewery is trash
black raspberries are just a very dark purplish red
when the pigment dilutes it's going to turn a lighter red
also there's a significant difference between a blackberry and a black raspberry, m8
enough for a pleb to be able to tell
blackberry is on the right
Buddy of mine got a six pack of this stuff and gave me half. Gonna be drinking it later. Has anyone had it before? I'm not sure I'll be a fan.
Why do so many "homebrewers" use kits?
>throw contents of package into a bucket
>top up with water
>wait a few weeks
>you now have a shitty generic imitation beer
It's like fixing up a pot noodle and pretending you're Jamie Oliver. What's the point?
Same reason why so many home cooks use shit like salad and stew kits and hamburger helper and shit like that. They like the illusion of "making it from scratch" but can't be bothered to actually put in the effort to prepare everything themselves.
I spent 5-7:30 nursing down a Dark and Stormy. First time I had a ginger beer. It was fucking delicious. I should have bought two though, because I had more rum than ginger beer, so I had to nurse the rum for a bit. Blackheart rum, for those who care. It was an okay rum, but the ginger beer stole the stage.
Not sure what I'm gonna drink next. I have some local bourbon, some Wild Turkey Forgiven, and some Nip whiskey.
>grab your mom's stockpot and wooden spoon
>buy a plastic bucket + airlock, some sanitizer and a glass carboy
>pick your grain, yeast and a selection of the latest hipster hops
got a couple of 4 packs of these to get me thru the NFL playoff games this weekend
I noticed this was $9.99 at the grocery store is that a good price?
Nothing too fancy tonight. Enjoying a 2014 Narwhal. The mild hop bitterness and coffee flavors have really mellowed out with 16 months in the closet. Quite good m8s
I would imagine most of the spices have faded a bit since it's a pumpkin beer and likely fairly old. It's ok, Magic Hat is pretty meh overall but you might like it if you enjoy vegetable/spiced brews. Cheers
The equipment required for making beer "from scratch" is a bit too much for entry level brewers. Kits are a way to find out if you find brewing fun, and if you do then you can invest in more equipment. Been brewing for a bit over a year and I brew all-grain. But would never recommend theat to someone doing their first brew. Get off your high horse asshat
You have unlimited resources online so just knock yourself out!
It's a little bit time consuming, but not more then any other hobby. If you drink a lot then you could maybe save some money, but don't let that be the main reason you go into it because you're gonna be disappointed. Try it out, you might like it.
old prairie fave
.. my keg is dry so i go to the cheap stuff
kit beer is really gross though.. gross enough to turn most people off the whole thing
the best thing to do is to find a place where you can use their equipment and if you enjoy it you can start to buy your own
you'll learn a lot that way also