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Starting the thread off with some sad news (reposted from last thread as it was already autosaging then):

29 January 2016 @ 10:52 pm
† Information about the Gothic&Lolita Bible

I think everyone always looks forward to my photos wearing Moi-meme-Moitie in the Gothic&Lolita Bible, but this time I got this from the person in charge

"Every issue we've always requested Mana-Sama x Moi-meme-Moitie pages, but according to the publisher it has been decided that from next issue on those plans will come to an end…"

Thats what they said.
I have always taken part in the Gothic&Lolita Bible since the very first issue over a span of some 10 years, so as you might expect I'm a little sad.

Mana
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>>8837596
Oh, and does anyone know what email address the staff for the G&LB use, to message them like suggested earlier? >>8837589
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>>8837596
WHAT?! They can't do that.. that's just wrong
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>>8837596
I don't really wear gothic nor am I a fan of Moitie but this still makes me very sad. It feels wrong. Is there a reason behind this? Are they just looking to bring in new material or did something happen?
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>>8837469
>>8837447
Glad I could help!
I personally found that applying oxyclean as a paste helps get out discoloration in white blouse, but that's all I've ever used.
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>>8837596
What the literal fuck? I don't wear MmM, but this is fucked up. Mana is one of the symbols of lolita, imo, and as he himself said, he's always been in the bibles. Who gives a fuck if the publisher doesn't want him anymore, I'm willing to bet there are a decent number of people who wouldn't be buying those books if they hadn't gotten into lolita through bands like MM or MdM and figures like Mana.
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>>8837607
I think it's a personal decision of Mana to be involved less with the fashion. Two years ago one of his band members died iirc and a couple of years ago a print designer left and I'm not sufe if they have found a good replacement yet.
Fact is, that Moities releases are getting less and less, original prints are getting less, and I think it all has to do with Mana's loss of a good friend and the loss of a good designer. I can image that the brand doesn't do well financially right now because of it, and Mana stepping back on costs and work a little seems reasonable desu.
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>>8837596
I know neither MmM nor Mana aren't popular like they used to be, still I don't think this should be a reason not to feature them.
I'd love to know why this decision was made.
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>>8837625
Did you read the post? Mana didn't agree with the decision. Moitie has always had far fewer releases. The death of K (and Kami) were horrible, but MdM are releasing a new album this year, so Mana is still wanting to be active in the music scene. His sadness at not being wanted in the G&LB anymore indicates that he also sees a long term future for Moitie. I was worried when all the stores shut down, but Moitie items have always been slow to release and sell out. Even Iron Gate and Cathedral took a long time.
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>>8837635
Well maybe he should start putting out something other than the samey black and indigo shit.
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>>8837641
Obviously you don't follow Moitie, because there is more than black and "indigo" (I think you mean navy).
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>>8837641
I hope not.. The reason I buy Moitie is because I can trust them to not be all over the place like other brands..
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>>8837644
I'm a huge fan of MmM but anon is right:
There's little to differentiate between their pieces.

They're all solid and iconic but you can only rely on the same sort of imagery for over a decade before things get stale. Gothic is also not "trendy" right now so it's a double whammy.
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>>8837647
That's a pretty shitty reason to buy something, especially considering that the brands most notorious for that are sweet or classic.

Moitie's modern (2010+) releases have had a brighter shade of blue on average, and lots of their items like socks and jewelry differ in shades. But if it's the same lace, you're safe.
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>>8837596
I know people (sigh) isn't into visual kei much as used to be but this is really unfair!
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>>8837647
It's true that Moitie hasn't evolved as much as some other brands such as AP, Baby, Meta (and less so, IW), but they have definitely changed over time. Most noticeably, from around 2010 onwards. Moitie actually started doing ~trendy~ things like printed chiffon and longer dresses before most other brands. VM and MM don't change, but no one shits on them for that. While black x navy is Moitie's staple colourway, they also have items in many other colours such as white, red, cornflower blue, emerald green, gold, pink (usually an accent), etc.

One of Moitie's mistakes is not releasing enough socks, bags, shoes, parasols, etc. Everyone needs more of these, yet they never release them, especially the last three. Moitie also hasn't released any bloomers for almost a decade.
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>>8837596
This is just awful of them to make a decision like this out of nowhere. It really makes me lose hope for the future of the fashion. You don't just get rid of a fashion icon who basically birthed gothic Lolita.
It makes me wonder if part of the decline of gothic lolita was due to some conscious decisions like this. There's no reason to axe Mana and his brand, of all things, unless you have clear intentions to steer the fashion more towards sweet or classic. The wanting new blood excuse is bullshit. Lolita is still to small and niche to show favoritism to only certain brands. Do they want to kill Moitie?

I bet there's some new people on staff since this looks like internal changes. It should be looked into and complained about to whoever can fix this.
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>>8837722
I don't think they're going to cut Moitie out entirely, just the pages where Mana is modelling. Or did I misunderstand?
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>>8837655

This is so upsetting, fuck. His photos were always a highlight for me; even if I didn't care for the clothes showcased, the photography, makeup, hair, etc. we're always great to look at and inspiring.

I wish moitie would release more staple pieces as well; I'd go nuts for that stuff, but really I don't want to buy anythig from them now because I already have 5 solid color moitie dresses, so I really don't need another one of those and that's mostly what they have. Their OTKs are of incredibly quality, and are always so damn hard to find. I really wish I had more of those.
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>>8837727
Either way, their decision makes no sense. Mana is the face of MmM and always has been.
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Is the q pot lucky pack worth it?
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>>8837655
Yeah, I really want Moitie OTKs and they never have any.
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>>8837425
Thanks for reporting back, anon. I'm the anon that tried disinfectant spray, just spraying it it still smelled faintly of sweat, but after washing it as well the sweat smell is gone. You can still faintly smell the (at least nicely-scented) disinfectant on it, but the sweat has gone.
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>>8837644
>I think you mean navy
I think I've seen enough of it in person to know it's rarely a proper navy. Too saturated most of the time. They range from blue to indigo.
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>>8837596
That's bullshit. He's always been a big face in lolita and it's wrong to not include him.
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>>8837596
this is depressing, fuck.

dear self: save up for some new Moitie, hold off on Taobao and secondhand this year.
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>>8837733
You mean the stuck-finger-in-light socket hair and blur out all features face-shoop?
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>>8837733
>Their OTKs are of incredibly quality, and are always so damn hard to find. I really wish I had more of those.
i got a pair of their new blue rose ones and really like them. how do the new ones compare to the old?
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The Yen will be weakening more. BOJ has introduced a negative interest rates. This is good news for lolitas living in the United States.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-29/yen-tumbles-more-than-2-as-boj-adopts-negative-interest-rates
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>>8838015
I've been buying lots of second hand items off Y!J since the yen went downhill last year and this news makes me happy. Canada's dollar hasn't been doing well either so now is a good time to buy from Canadian sellers if you live in the US.
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>>8838015
OH HELL YEAH NIGGA
Plus oil shares are up slightly now aren't they, since the US is slowing production with the weak price. Hopefully they calm the fuck down so commodities stop sliding downhill and causing mass stock selloffs. I was getting so depressed about the dollar falling since I buy mainly from Japanese secondhand stores
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>>8838029
You want my greenbacks senpai? What's your LM
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>>8837647
>all over the place like other brands
M8 are you shit talking my meta?

But seriously,I wonder what japanese lolitas think about removing Mana.
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>>8838062
Not that anon but I doubt they meant Meta. Probably meant the brands' ever changing aesthetics and trendhopping (AP's sweet/OTT sweet/OTT classic/religious motifs, IW's sweet pieces and abundance of electric blue carousel/crosses/unicorn prints, etc)
Meta having no consistent theme or aesthetic and doing their own thing is nothing new.
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>>8838057
Do you have a link to your LM or a list of items you have for sale? Once I get my tax return back, I plan to get a few main pieces and basics to pad my wardrobe.
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>>8838098
Meta's consistent aesthetic is Meta.
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>>8837951
I'm not sure, honestly. The newest pair I have is pic related, and I got them in either 2009 or 2010. I must have worn the damn things 20-30 times by now and they still show no signs of wear at all; plus they're super stretchy, comfortable and extra long (which is great because I'm too damn tall), way more so than Baby/AATP OTKs. I really hope to get the ivory some day. I even fell in these damn things one day and cut my knee UNDER the socks and it didn't harm them one bit.
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ok but that AP USA x Sephora... thing
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>>8838352
>Bishojo Basics
I dunno, it sounds like a cute idea. Hopefully the MUAs involved know a little bit about the j-fash aesthetic.
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>>8838367
>Hopefully the MUAs involved know a little bit about the j-fash aesthetic.
that may be a very big "hopefully"
>Bishoujo Basics
>BISHOUJO BASICS
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>>8838367
>>8838370
>Bishoujo Basics
>Basic Bitch
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>>8838352
>>8838367
I was just thinking today that I wish AP did more collabs. This wasn't what we wanted.
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>>8837596
Holy shit nooooo what is the source of this post?
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>>8838377
>This wasn't what we wanted.
This. AP, Sephora isn't what we need!
>more actual collabs, though, now that is what we need
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>>8838367
>>8838377
>>8838391
That's just the sticker AP uses to close your bag when you buy something.
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>>8838398
the fuck is going on here?
are people putting stickers on sephora bags and taking pictures? for what purpose?
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>>8838387
Also want a source! My friend is a die hard moitie fan but doesn't internet much. I dont want to tell her without a proper source, not just a random cgl post
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>>8838408
see AP USA's facebook
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>>8838387
sourced from mana's blog: http://manamonologue.blog16.fc2.com/blog-entry-563.html
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>>8838352
>from AP USA site
Sephora's Bishojo Basics
$50.00
***Sephora's Bishojo Basic Party***
Join us and our friends at Sephora Powell as we learn the basics of the lolita look.
Learn how to create that innocent doe eye, or perfect your lash application.
This is your chance to ask a make up specialist the question you always wanted to ask!
You will also enjoy the luxury of private shopping time at Sephora and Angelic Pretty Shop.
And wrap it up in our shop with your own photoshoot with photographer Sakiko Hill!


*Event will take place on February 21st 2016 (Sunday) from 9AM~12PM.
*Hands on make-up Tutorial will be done inside Sephora located on Powell
(walking distance from Angelic Pretty San Francisco store.)
*Each attendee will receive Sephora $25 gift certificate!!
*Light food and beverage will be served.
*Purchase of $25 or more is required for eligibility to purchase ticket.
*Qualifying purchases must be made starting from January 21st 2016 from the Angelic Pretty San Francisco website or physical store location in San Francisco.
*Purchase of gift certificate is not eligible for the $25 requirement. Purchases made using gift certificates as a form of payment is eligible.
*Tickets are bound to the purchaser and are not transferable.
*Physical tickets will not be mailed out.
*Will receive confirmation email a week prior to event.
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>>8838432
>>8838367

You guys got me really excited that there'd be an AP-themed makeup collection coming out in Sephora like the Hello Kitty x Sephora collection.
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Is AP USA doing another Holy Lantern preorder on their page right now or am I imagining things?
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>>8838432
so spend $25 at AP in order to buy $50 ticket that includes $25 gift card, so you're not saving any money at this point... It's decent since it also includes a photoshoot with a pro and makeup application tips.

I would personally rather do one of those LUSH parties instead...
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>>8838442
Jesus, I think they are? Holy shit not again
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>>8838442
>>8838446
http://angelicpretty-usa.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=279

Huh?
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>>8838446
H O L Y H E L L
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>>8838452
lol at this point I'm considering getting one just for the hell of it
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>>8838457
I half want to, but its so oversaturated - every lolita and their mother is going to have a full Holy Lantern set at this point
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>>8838448
this has to be some sort of malfunction, like someone hit the wrong button and put up the old page by accident or some shit i don't wanna believe they're doing another one

also they never announced anything either idk
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>>8838448
>Estimated to ship out from Angelic Pretty San Francisco Branch early April 2016.
idek, i'm part of the MTO batch that's already coming March-April 2016, so this is kinda surprising, "holy shit not again" aside
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>>8838448
http://angelicpretty-usa.com/shopping/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=279&products_id=11095
>mfw
that's... that's not the black x white but the black x black... AP please.....
>mfw i'm actually fucking crossing my fingers
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>>8838439
...I was hoping for something like that too.
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Question, if i successfully manage to snag a dress from the Magic Princess release tonight, could I go back an get a head bow in a separate order? Or would that cancel my first order?
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So what are the chances of finding the high waist HL jsk in wine for below retail price after this madness is over?
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>>8838442
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>>8838457
Same. I usually wear gothic lolita and sort of liked it, even if it's a bit sweet, but passed all these times. It's practically throwing itself at us leftover people who have sat on the fence this long. I think I should just buy a skirt for casual wear (since a unique print this is no longer) and give into Unholy Bandwagon.
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Anyone else not being able to check out with Magic Princess?
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>>8838501
I had zero issues with this release and the last few. I was able to go back and grab a pair of socks. To be honest, I had a slow internet speed last year and it caused problems with buying items during releases. I upgraded my connection since I needed it to work from home and it loads completely normal.
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>>8838501
I was fine. This was not a bloodbath at all, way less popular than I thought it would be.
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>>8838506
No I mean nothing will let me check anything out at all, the internet is fine.
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>>8838501
Nope I had no issues getting the dress. >>8838506
By going back, do you mean you can order accessories in a separate order? Or will that cancel your first order?
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>>8838511
Yeah I thought for sure it'd be a hell of a lot worse. Really surprised, but rather relieved too.
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>>8838511
I agree. The only thing that sold out is the ivory headbow so far.

>>8838514
Yes, you can go back and add accessories to a new order so long as you follow their point rule. It's usually 1 dress, 1 headbow, and 1 accessory (socks). I always check out with a main piece then go back and add accessories. I haven't had any orders canceled on me and I've done it at least 10 times.
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So I guess Magic Princess is kind of a flop? No one is flooding the site and none of the items in the series has sold out yet (except for a headbow).
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>>8838513
Really strange. How many times have you tried? Also don't worry anon-chan nothing is selling out, you have lots of time!
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>>8837834
Same. Next December I'm popping moitié.
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>>8838523
I don't think it's flop, I think it will sell out by the end of the week.

Honestly I'm happy it wasn't in such high demand, I feel like I bought it because I liked it, not because other people would.
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What Magic Princess cuts and colourways did people get?
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when exactly are closetchild updates?
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>>8838538
Sax round JSK. I thought about getting the yellow but its too similar to the Milky Planet I have
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>>8838541
I got the exact same anon!
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>>8838506
>>8838511
>>8838514
>>8838516
>>8838519
>>8838525
Ok anons, after 20 minutes of trying it went through, not sure what the issue was to begin with but I saw that error page more times than I've ever wanted to. I ended up getting the lav op and accessories. I'm honestly glad it wasnt as bloodbath, I would have been fucked
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God dammit. I was only able to file my tax return today, I can't buy an HL right now...
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HL Thread so we don't clutter up the Lolita General Thread.
>>8838465
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>>8838523
Because everyone is probably broke from the holidays/lp season/ap releasing stuff every week.
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>>8838538
Sax round JSK, OTKs, Headbow, cuffs and matching blouse.
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>>8838534
That's a good point. It's best to own a dress you genuinely love, not because it's the flavor of the month.
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>>8838552
This. I wish there was a pattern to AP's constant releases madness.
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>luster after AP's tiara bag after Marine Kingdom release
>actively search, miss listings on the rare occasion someone sells
>await throwing money at AP with every regal release hoping the bag would be rereleased
>never happens
>give in and buy replica last week
>fucking AP decided to release it NOW with new release that's so fucking print unrelated

Holy fuck, is this some cosmic joke?
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>>8838580
AP is punishing you for buying a replica.
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>>8838580
Proof of karma right here.
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>>8838540
wednesday and saturday 4 AM eastern standard time (USA) for me
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>>8838589
thursday and sunday, anon
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>>8838582
>>8838585
Clever, ladies, clever.
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>>8838580
Bag rerelease? LOL no. Four more unholy hell lightbox MTOs for you anon :^)
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>>8838580
sell your replica later and buy the real thing right fucking now
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>>8838618
I'm torn. I already bought another bag from them today. Don't have enough for a second, and I probably shouldn't do an SS request with my credit card :/

Guess I'll kill myself later if the replica is shite.

>>8838605
Kek
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>>8838545
I'm so happy!! I honestly went back to bed after the release hoping everything had gone okay for you...
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>>8838105
Not her but frequent mover anon. Thinking of putting up some black sweet stuff. I was trying to sell some pastel sweet stuff but it didn't sell and I just got two more dresses in the mail. I don't have any active listings because I'm trying to figure out when to sell things (like when do people start buying summer stuff? When do people buy more one pieces? I really want to sell a few things)
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>>8838545

That's great anon! I'm so glad you didn't miss out!
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>>8838560
>>8838542
Congrats. I really like this print, it's so cute
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Secrets
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>>8838908

The replies at the bottom are so cringey ugh.
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New pics of AP's fashion show releases are being posted in Lolita Updates.
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>>8838908
anyone managed to get caps of the deleted ones? im curious
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>>8839011
Antoinette Princess. Feels like they're imitating Baby's OTT pieces with this one.
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>>8839018
they were just valentines
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>>8839024
I thought the model's legs were skeletal for a sec, but no it's just the harsh shadow
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>>8839024
those cheap-looking dress-up shoes with that dress. I know it's all AP but seriously.... ick
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>>8839026
The tend for Valentines to be in teh Secrets has been really annoying.
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>>8839024
So which shopping service has a vague hope of acquiring this? I don't care about the price, I just need this dress.
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>>8839024
Oh shit I thought that was baby when I saw it on updates
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>>8838482
maybe in 2 or 3 years lol
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>>8839123
it may end up being expensive enough that itll be not too hard to get desu. Does AP do MTO pre-pay with extra expensive dresses ever?
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Sorry for the dumb question but how are we supposed to open the pins on AP's brooches? Pic related is a mystery to me..
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>>8839330
See where the pointy bit of the pin is? There's a notch above it that you hook you nail in and rotate it down. That lets you get the pin out of the clasp like normal. It's to stop the brooch from undoing itself.
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>>8839343
Oh I'm so stupid, I tried to but stopped half way..
Thank you a lot anon !
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>>8839225
Lel, the tssb $1000+ MTO dresses sometimes sell out in less than an hour, so I'm not taking any chances here. If the dress will even be so easy to order! I have no idea about Aps online shop to be honest, and I'm not familiar with tenso and don't want to risk anything. Which is why I need a reliable SS.
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>>8837951
I own pic related in white (released 2010), and like the other anon I tripped and scraped my knee under the sock, while the sock itself was unharmed. The elastic ribbons are still stretchy and look new, and I haven't once made a hole in the toes while I usually can't wear a pair of socks for more than a few hours without somehow walking holes into them.
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>>8839024
Reminds me a lot of the pompadour OP they've put out before. I don't usually follow AP but I liked how historically inspired that one was. Maybe this one will be similar in price/ popularity?
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>>8839429
You mean the OP Kate always would wear?
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>>8839463
Not sure, didn't really follow her, but I mean pic related. Apparently it sold for ¥61,560
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>>8839463
No, Kate always wore Primavera Waltz.
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I wish there was an active online comm specifically for trading, without direct selling.
I could post an ad in the various sales groups but they're so active with DS posts pushing everyone else down with bumps that I worry my WTTs will go mostly unseen, even if I also bump my posts.
and i can't post my wishlist on cgl out of fear of someone identifying me and outing that i go on cgl.
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Do anyone have the compilation pic from when that Mark hubba hubba guy posted on cof? I can't find it in the archives.
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>>8839656
If you do a search for hubba hubba on RBT it will definitely come up, I've found it that way before
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Is there such thing as guys lolita fashion and how exactly does it work?
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What's a good english book that gives a decent portrayal of lolita fashion with accurate information? My mother and grandmother think it looks cute and want to learn about the fashion I'm into, but they're more readers and don't go online much. All I keep finding are street snap type books and I don't really want to buy a general "harajuku fashion" book with dated decora and random goths in it.
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>>8839664
the guy version of lolita is called Ouji, which means prince. They wear long caps, top hats, and pants. See pic attached.

Alternatively a lot of guys choice to just wear the fashion any way a girl would, with dresses and all, this is called brolita.
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>>8839679
*long capes
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>>8839679
Who is this ouji? Does he have a tumblr or something?
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>>8839679
I'd say that this guy is closer to a more casual male aristocrat look than ouji. It overall feels like it's a more mature lok than your typical 'ouji' one, which is very youthful.
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>>8839695
I have no clue, but he's some guy from Australia iirc. Don't think he's in the fashion regularly.
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>>8839708
>>8839679
Here is a better one then, this is technotropism.
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>>8839679
I wish my boyfriend would dress up like this!
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>>8839708
it is ouji. aristocrat is not just ouji with long pants. it is like lolita in that respect; everything from Misako's kawaii uguu coords to Fanny Rose's understated Mary Magdalene coords are lolita.

pic related is part of a GLB feature for ouji styles to wear through the week, for example.

meanwhile, aristocrat has a level of decadence and a particular drape to it.
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>>8839727
How is >>8839679 strictly ouji and not aristocratic? With that roland and jabot blouse? There's really nothing boyish about the whole thing. If anything it's a bit weirdly mismatched with military boots and a rough workwear looking belt. It's also lacking any of the ott or silliness of ouji.

And in Japan people tend to refer to aristocrat as ouji too, hence maybe your confusion.
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>>8839743
>And in Japan people tend to refer to aristocrat as ouji too, hence maybe your confusion.
you got me, i am using Japanese terms to refer to a Japanese fashion.

where do you get that ouji needs to be silly or OTT? or that a jabot blouse and Roland would not be ouji?

Mana considers pic related EGA; if anything is casual aristocrat, it would be something like this, not a waistcoat and frilly blouse (two ouji staples).
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>>8839727
I know what aristocrat is, I wear it. There's a reason why I described it as being 'closer to a more casual male aristocrat' look. I like the look as a great example of how to tone the style down for a more everyday look, while retaining key aspects of the more mature, aristocrat style.

Even the long trousers looks in what I consider to be ouji retain a sense of playful youthfulness to them. See Buttcape's Lolita-Aristocrat-Ouji family triangle diagram.
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>>8839759
A jaboted blouse and a Roland can be used in ouji and aristocrat alike. It's the way that they are used in an outfit is what marks the difference to me.

Both your picture of Mana and the guy in >>8839679 can both be classed as casual aristo in my eyes. The first guy clearly has elements from aristocrat in his style, but it's still fairly relaxed as an overall look, it's not as full-on as aristocrat can go, even in the male variant.
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>>8839784
i wear it also. on the lolita family triangle (it pleases me to see this term in use) i think that guy's coord is in the middle space between ouji and aristo, but if i had to put it in one category i would call it ouji, based on my research.

i know the Western comm uses "aristocrat" in a different way than Japan does, and that most of what people know comes from Western tradition. i am confident that Japanese oujis would consider the coord in question to be ouji. the omage may even have been used in a certain article on ouji overseas but i am having a difficult time locating said article.
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>>8839673
Misako wrote a book relatively recently didn't she? Can't remember if it got a translation.
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>>8839806
The maturity of the look overall is what puts the look into aristocrat for me rather than the more childish look of ouji, which to me has more accessories most of the time. There's a simple, restrained feel to this outfit. Technotropism's pictured outfit however, is definitely ouji. There's the key difference, even though both outfits have long trousers and long boots in them. Technotropism's outfit is closer to the halfway point in my opinion.
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>>8839791
Boz considers pic related to be ouji-kei; what do you think of that?

http://bozosaka.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-1022.html

i think there is a bias toward seeing men/masculinity in ouji as "aristocrat" because they do not tend to wear the same cutesy, girly ouji that women do. but this is like saying Fannie Rosie and Princess Peachie wear different fashions. because FR's coords are not as silly or OTT as PP's.
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>>8839817
for me, the main difference between ouji and aristo is not the youthful/maturity scale but the fanciful/decadent one. ouji has elements of fantasy to it while aristocrat is more grounded in gothic fashion tropes. ouji also regularly pulls from Rococo fashion, while aristocrat lingers around Victorian and modern styles without going all Rose of Versailles.

i think the unwillingness to follow Japanese terms for a Japanese fashion is a bit weird 2bh.
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>>8839843
Not an unwillingness to follow the Japanese terms for me. More that I'm using terminology as I see it used in the West for ease of communication combined with my own views on the differences based on several years of wearing what we refef to as 'aristocrat'. I dont call aristocrat EGA though, that's for Moitie's take on it.
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>>8839714
He always looks so costumey and awkward
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>>8839714
Those slim fit pants are normie as fuck. Terrible outfit.

Also stop spoonfeeding newfags, she can Google ouji or male lolita as easy as anyone else can
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>>8839873
i can see that. i think that is the most common view, and i can respect that you are making an educated choice.

for me, i used to tell people not to use "kodona" as a term, but then realized i was being a hypocrite by saying "kodona" wasn't okay but "aristocrat" outside of EGA was. both are Western categories based on Western aesthetic interpretations of ouji and Japanese goth. maybe i am inclined to this view because i wear it alone and spend too much time researching Japanese sources, where the terms (kodona and aristocrat) aren't relevant. if i was more involved in the Western community i might see it differently.

>>8839880
no more than lolitas like Lovely Lor imo (which is to say, not at all)
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>>8839880
>implying lolita doesn't look like a costume
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>>8839896
>every part of this outfits is frilly and highly detailed
>pants are simple
>REEEEEEE FUCKING NORMIE SO TERRIBLE!
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>>8839896
Hate to break it to you but normie pants in outfits is done pretty often. Especially since the focal point is the jacket.
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>>8839024
Can't wait to see how shit AP's stock photos are for this.
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>>8839823
Like a teen bishounen type price sure
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>>8839985
>teen

ageplayers pls go
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>>8839896
>Also stop spoonfeeding newfags
Fuck off and die board culture scum
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Sorry if this isn't allowed, but are there any seagulls in Tokyo who'd like to hang out?
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>>8840166
>It's almost as if we're on a board!
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>>8840248
There is a FB group called Tokyo International Lolitas, maybe try messaging a mod and see if they could organise a mini meet?
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>>8840316
Okay repetitive faggot.
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>>8839024
I love everything about this dress!
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>>8839679
10/10 would husbando
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>>8840361
http://dreades.tumblr.com/tagged/dreades
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>>8839843
If you were to follow Japanese terms you'd call all of it ouji and you wouldn't make this sort of distinction between ouji and aristocrat.
You can't use pictures of swans labeled "bird" and tell someone that swans aren't actually swans but birds.
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>>8840414
yes, that is the general way i lean unless an outfit is more clearly Moitie-inspired.
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>>8840417
pic related: crappily-assembled aristocrat collage. these would never be mistaken for ouji; it seems to be a separate fashion with little in common. dreade's coord is much closer to the ouji silhouette for me. even the GLB has used "ouji" in its desceiption of certain of Mana's looks (see >>8837877; to me, it is an example of EGA that could just as well be ouji, like how some lolita coords would not look out of place in a strictly vintage, gothic, or steampunk scene).

to me, it is not so much about swan vs bird as it is dessert vs breakfast. some dishes are distinctly one or the other, and some could be either depending on the context.

but i understand that in the Western community, aristocrat is used to mean a "more serious, with a lower hemline" version of both lolita and ouji, rather than a separate but overlapping style. if dreades (who tagged his outfit as both, cause why not) called it just aristo, i would not debate it in casual conversation. i know this level of pedantry is more academic than practical.
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>>8840439
All of your 'aristocrat' examples are Moitie, who are only one brand that caters to this style. Atelier Boz, and others also produce clothes that we refer to as 'homme/male/masc aristocrat'. Moitie's stuff is EGA.
If you look at what Boz produce, and at Buttcape's family triangle diagram, you can see that one of the guystyle examples has long, narrow trousers. But if you look at the 'halfway' point between aristocrat and ouji, you can see that the overlapping pieces have long trousers mainly, but they have an edge of the more playful aspect of ouji, including the headwear accessories. I tell the difference by how something is accessorised, and how the overall outfit looks. There's a reason why I said that I think that dreade's outfit to me looks more like 'aristocrat' (as we've come to see it in the West), but more toned down, and isn't as full on as a lot of aristocrat outfits. The choice of footwear also helps add to that feel, combined with the lack of headwear.
It's interesting to compare how these styles are perceived and referred to in he West verses in Japan. I think if this discussion is going to continue, it might be worth moving it to the Ouji/Boystyle thread rather than keeping it here in the Lolita General.
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>>8840473
>I think if this discussion is going to continue, it might be worth moving it to the Ouji/Boystyle thread rather than keeping it here in the Lolita General.
happily! i am enjoying the discussion since this is something i have wrestled with and been conflicted about. i am currently samefagging the hell out of /ouG/ (and about to sleep) but i can dump a few examples of boystyle coords and how i would categorize them to kickstart discussion.
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What do you do when there's something you want on y!auctions but there's no proof picture? And I'm looking for a new shopping service that has different payment options other than PayPal because the one I'm normally use it's on hiatus.
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>>8840490
Once you find a SS, ask them to ask the seller for proof photos
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someone mentioned Nameless Poem being re-released in another thread, can someone confirm/add info? I've kinda started liking it a lot after staring at so many coords of it
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>>8840543
i saw it was on lolita updates, but i am not sure if it was a whole rerelease or just in the new green colorway.

if this rerelease trend keeps up, comms could have entire "Holy Lantern, Nameless Poem" meets.
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>>8840557
shame, I've taken a liking to black and grey.
extra question, what's the difference between embroidered and non-embroidered? lolibrary doesn't really say anything about it as far as I can see...
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>>8840566
I actually went to investigate (I'm still not accepted to Lolita Updates so I need to go to the group page if I want to see anything) and people are saying there's unlimited black and limited grey available.
any SS recommendations? preferably one that is ok with marking packages down a bit. sorry for the new questions, I've never ordered from taobao before
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>>8840566
embroidered is with the crosses on the bottom and the other is without
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>>8839362
I snagged a black pair ages ago but they disappeared when I moved. Still sad about it and haven't been able to find a pair, or anything as comfortable and pretty, since.
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>>8840166
Or you could find another board to fag up, since this one apparently isn't to your liking?
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The AP's laforet shop will be closed? Or just change the decoration and stuff?
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>>8841041
I doubt it'll close down. I can imagine that a lot of their in store customers are actually from the laforet shop. It's a huge tourist trap and a hotspot for alt. fash.
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Can anyone recommend a US shopping service? The ones I was able to find don't look very trustworthy.
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>>8841116
i have a private ss whos pretty good, i don't want to post her on cgl though. email?
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>>8841231
Thanks! Throwaway is in the field.
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>>8839809
Was that the one where she said that Lolita was her favourite book/film? Nice one Misako
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>>8840675
Why do people like you always think that telling someone or suggesting to someone that they should leave will actually work?
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>>8841254
Except that's not what she wrote lmfao.
She only mentions it because Dolores's nickname is Lolita, and that's it.
If you're going to try to take jabs at Misako you could at least do 2 seconds of research.
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>>8841041
They're remodeling
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>>8840566
200 grey ones will be available, and there will be no limit to the black and green ones.
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>>8841359
Someone should take pics when they're done (though I know there's probably a policy against photography). I wonder if AP is going to change their image soon since a lot of their upcoming releases lean towards a sweet-classic hybrid style. Plus all that MTO cash has to be going to something big.
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>>8841285
Why do people like you think that everyone should change what they've been doing forever, just to cater to your special snowflake ass?
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Has anyone bought from "SWLolita"? Someone posted a cute dress from them on Lacemarket, but they want double of what they went for (minus shipping) but it's super cute so I was thinking of getting it if the quality was good.

>Pic related
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>>8840557
Is it just my screen or is that green so incredibly dark it's more like black with green undertones?

Kind of excited for grey but will it be dark grey from a recent release or light grey from the early release?
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Question about nameless poem

I'm currently losing weight (I've got about 20lbs left to go) and I'm not sure which size to get. Currently my waist is 73cm, but my bust is 100cm. Should I just go for the Large and get it taken in? Or get a medium and hope that by the time I get to my gw my tits are small enough?
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>>8841502
Have you ever lost that much weight before as an adult and so far have you lost any from your boobs? Some people don't lose any off their boobs for like... 10kg, and even then it's only like 2-3cm, others lose it from the boobs first then their waist. If you haven't lost much from your chest chances are you are not going to get that much smaller.
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>>8841502
I'm just going to say that from experience, size up. I have a 90cm bust and 68cm waist, so I thought the size S would fit me because I didn't want my waist to be swimming, even if I was on the edge of the bust size, and when I got it it was TINY on me; in bust and sleeve length, to the point where I couldn't wear it at all. I sized up and got a large, which was too big on me, but it made the lengths really great and the fact that it was too large on me gave it a really billowy look that was really flattering. It's a babydoll OP, even if it doesn't appear like that in the stock photos, so take that into account as well.

If someone has a 90-95cm bust, I'd recommend the large for them. You may need a size larger than L, but for sure do not get a medium.
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>>8841537
Oh bummer. So far I've lost about 12cm from my bust (over the course of 62lbs lost) so perhaps they won't get much smaller. I've never been thin before so I have no idea what I'll look like.

>>8841539
This is really helpful thank you! I think it might be best to go with a large since I will probably lose another 4cm in the bust once I get this last 20lbs off
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>>8841448
its ok anon, /cgl/ has had a massive influx of newfags lately. I'm not sure where we got linked but the aggressive newfaggotry has been quite impressive recently.

In other news does anyone have any recent AP releases? How does the quality match up to old AP? I want a certain dress but I'm not sure how new quality is, most of my dresses are from 2006-2010.
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>>8841559
Yeah, if you lose another 4-5cm then the large would fit really great! With that dress it's really better to go a few cm under the max bust, so you should be good, even if you just use a really good bra with it at your current size.
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What do gulls think about AP and it's new "lavender label" items?
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>>8841645
iirc the lavender label isn't even new?
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>>8841657
It's not. We've just never known how they distinguish between pink and lavender, and they've never openly advertised them this way before.
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>>8841657
They're asking your opinion of the collection, not the label itself.

>>8841645
I think it's interesting that AP is trying to compete with Baby's more elaborate pieces. I wonder if it's just because of the rise of classic and if it'll make a lasting change in their style.
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>Browse AP US site
"Oh, I should pre-order some OTKs here. It would be nice to just buy shit simply without an SS."
>put two OTKs in the cart
>calculate shipping
>18 dollars from San Fran to NYC
>for two little OTKs

WHAT the fuck, I hate AP USA.
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>>8841657
I just meant these new pieces they just showed, not that lavender label is new.
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>>8841670
speaking as a seller who is frequently having to use priority mail, blame USPS's priority mail shipping prices, not them
>I hate USPS shipping prices
>HATE
>but especially hate priority mail shipping prices
I'm sure AP hates them too
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>>8841657
>>8841665

Maybe we can do a compilation of known lavender label vs pink label items. It'd be interesting to see what dresses AP decided to put in which category, give us a clue about what the lavender label is all about. I can start going through my AP collection and listing which ones are lavender and which ones are pink after I get home (I think it's mostly pink. I pretty much gravitate towards sweet)


>>8841645
What else is in the lavender label aside from Antoinette Decoration? I want the Antoinette Decoration print, but I'm pretty surprised a ruffly, poofy dress with cakes on it is going into the lavender label. I'd have thought lavender is for stuff that's more borderline goth/classic like Holy Lantern.
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>>8841687
I think it's stuff that's not completely sweet? Eternal Rose Bouquet has a lavender label too.
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>>8841686
I use priority for most of my packages just to have all my bases covered and it's never this much, it seems odd to me.
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>>8841697
Then how do you explain Dream Marine? It was a lavender label.
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I bought an item on lacemarket, it came in no problem, now the seller is asking me for more money for shipping. I'm not sure what to do.
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>>8841715
say if they charge you more outside of their listing you'll be forced to leave them negative or neutral feedback
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>>8841715
If you already paid and have the item, what can they really do? The transaction has ended. It isnt your fault they miscalculated the shipping costs.
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>>8841715
wait, they charged you more AFTER it came in? definitely threaten to leave negative feedback and possibly reporting them to the lacemarket mods for not being more clear and see what they do. if the lm mods take forever to respond then take it to the heads of the sales groups.
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>>8841721
>>8841727
>>8841729
Thanks guys, I wasn't sure what the etiquette was on this.
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>>8841710
Misty Sky (1st and 3rd release) has a lavender label too. Royal Chocolate has pink. Both of these prints are pretty sweet to me
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>>8841670
Baby is just as bad. I paid $11 for a tiny little hair clip. It arrived in a giant flat rate shipping box. No wrapping, postcards or anything included.
A small padded envelope would have been easier on everyone.
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>>8841715
Tell them to go fuck themselves, its not your fault or responsibility.
I've undercalculated shipping before and I just ate the cost and didn't even mention it to my buyer.
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>>8841670
I feel like AP USA hikes up it's prices whenever it can get a small profit margin. Priority Shipping really is more than normal, but it feels like it's extremely expensive even for that.
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Anons, is it better to sell something from the US while I'm here or wait until I move within this month to France and sell it. I have space in my stuff to bring it. It's not a very popular item so do i try to push it selling before I go or should I just list it and change the listing location when I move? I know Europeans like to stick to buying within the EU but I also know French buyers can be a pain or flaky.
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>>8841768
IW did the same thing for me which is weird since I've bought a headbow from them before and it arrived in an envelop that time.
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>>8841875
If you can realistically mail it out before you leave then put it up now, and the day before you move, take it down if it hasn't sold and re-list from France.
But the one problem I see is if there is an issue and it has to be returned to sender. It'll be going to an address you're no longer at.
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No price check thread so I figured I'd ask here. Is this worth listing? It's from heart E. The only sort of similar skirt I can find is a egl listing from over 8 years ago
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Does anyone else here still wait for their Chocolate Rosette dress from APUSA? My shipping label was created on the 20th but no updates ever since.
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>>8841875
>>8841880
> there is an issue and it has to be returned to sender. It'll be going to an address you're no longer at.

could always put down a parent's address, or a friends address.
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>>8841875
UK sellers like to buy within the EU as well, so you should be fine.
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>>8840377
>http://dreades.tumblr.com/tagged/dreades
>manbun
now that's depressing
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Anyone else popcorning at Wonderfinch's trying to gold medal at Oppression Olympics on Rufflechat?
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>>8842070
deets
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>>8842070
Caps now go go go
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>>8842080
Top post, about PoC in lolita
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>>8842070
Not related but I haven't been to that group in months and lol'd hard at the pinned "no trolling" post

>>8842080
>>8842085
My print screen button doesn't want to cooperate right now so here's a copypaste of her bullshit:

"I think the lack of women in color in lolita is really sad.

I think it's more tragic that so many lolitas bend over backwards to justify the racism and colorism rampant in the fashion. It's not okay because it's a Japanese fashion (there are dark-skinned natives in Japan who face horrible oppression). It's not okay because white girls face "oppression" too (you're a literal fool if you think a few critical comments on your coord are the same as people calling you a nigger who doesn't belong in the fashion because your ancestors were slaves). It's not okay because there are WoC blogging on Tumblr (especially because we STILL get shit on no matter what we do). And it's especially not okay just because a few Uncle Toms pop up in every discussion of racism to say that they personally have never felt oppressed, so everyone else is wrong.

Lolita is an awesome fashion, and I think it's really pathetic that some people try to play gatekeepers by excluding people from full participation in the fashion, or by discouraging people from participating in the fashion through harassment and insults, based on the color of their skin."
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>>8842080
TL;DR:

>Why aren't there more POCs in the lolita industry?
>You mean Japanese people don't count?
>Well, I mean African American people specifically.
>What about [indie brands], which are American and run by POC?
>Well, I mean in Japan/Kera/the GLB
>Japan is mostly Japanese, why would they do that?
>THEY USE WHITE GIRLS! COLONIALISM! OPPRESSION! JAPAN IS RACIST!
>etc. etc. etc.

Basically the same damned circular discussion that happens when someone brings up a wish for more non-white lolitas in Japanese lolita ads.
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>>8842105
>Basically the same damned circular discussion that happens when someone brings up a wish for more black lolitas in Japanese lolita ads

ftfy.
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>>8842080
>I don't live in my ~*own safe space*~, but thanks for playing! My life experiences include gems like being beaten up by police for my skin color and being brutally raped for being a "nigger bitch"

r/thathappened
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>>8842134
Even it did happen....why post it on a fb group about dressing in frilly girly clothes. This isn't your therapy hour. Go write in your journal or call a friend if you need to talk about it.....
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>>8842134
If this actually happened to her, this would explain why she's such a psycho bitch and so comfortable with broadcasting her hated of white people. She needs therapy.
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I wish Getoffegl was still a thing. To cap all wonderfucks bullshit. She honestly deserves a place on the farm.
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>>8842160
Well she's known for greatly exaggerating the truth (i.e. how long she's be in lolita, the Maikodolly situation) so it's probably more like a police officer brushed against her and a man cat called her on the street >>8842219
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>>8841927

Heart E doesn't really have a fanbase to pull buyers in with. You could probably still move it if you list it at like USD30, tops USD50. Take good photos, including preferably a cute coord photo so girls can see how cute it can be. I don't know if that's "worth listing" for you.
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>>8842219
farm, do it
or post more secrets
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>>8842101
>>8842105
I don't see anything wrong with this speech, you must be rampant racists to find this so "Omg I'm so opressed"
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>>8842070
She has done this before if anyone else remembers.. Same, "I need to see "poc" in lolita because i don't know if my skin will go with the clothes." crap. undertones are where it's at, seeing someone with dark skin looking good in a dress doesn't mean it will look good on you. The people complaining about foundation are right, there isn't only one dark skin tone and it's kind of inappropriate of her to imply that therr is only one like this...
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My friend and I swapped dresses, but for some reason, my deodorant failed to work and now her dress smells bad in the underarm areas. I feel so terrible! I haven't had this problem before. I have two weeks to give it back and I want to know if there's a way to spot clean it or just clean it in general. It's an unprinted bodyline dress. Do I handwash it in cold water? Would that be safe?
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>>8842417
It's Bodyline and unprinted you will be fine to machine wash. if you are still worried, machine wash on a cold, delicate cycle inside a lingerie bag and you will be fine. Honestly I wash all my brand solids like this (MM,VM,IW) have never had a problem.
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>>8842070
This makes me want to vomit t b h.
Acting like Japanese brands have to cater to you as a black women (because clearly lighter skinned Asians aren't real "POC") when their country and probably over 90% over their market is white or East-Asian, is fucking ridiculous. Brands have no real incentive and no obligation to use darker skinned people; race politics are a totally different game in places like Japan, Korea, and China; and you acting like everything should cater to your Western idea of racism and oppression is only pointing out how ignorant and ego/Western-centric you are.
The shitty thing is some of these people are the same people who will scream about cultural appropriation.
Honestly lolita has made me dislike a lot of people for discussions like this.
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>>8842232
posted it on farm in snow rn
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>>8841715
Tell her sorry but the item shipped already. I mean, I've miscalculated shipping enough times to know that it's my fault and not the buyer
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>>8842101
>your ancestors were slaves
This is such a tired argument. Most racist idiots are definitely NOT thinking of that when being racist.
When are people gonna realize that it's just hatred.
I've had to deal with racism my whole life. It's not because a long time ago some people came into my home country and oppressed my people. It's because people see my face, notice I'm not white, and they don't like that.
That's literally what racism is every single fucking time.

I wish people would get their head out the past god damn
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>>8842581
A little bit of offtopic

As POC do ypu think that Oscar is racist because there are no POC in their list of actors or do you think that POC should play better?
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>>8842588

As another "PoC", the oscars are a goddamn sham where famous actors go and jerk each other off.

The fact we're giving this any lip service only gives credence to them as having any credibility when really it's all about whatever the fuck goes on in their head that year.

I mean, fuck, most of the time the people nominating best animated awards haven't even watched 80-90% of them.

It's an arbitrary awards ceremony set up by an arbitrary committee and should never be used as a measuring stick of how any one diverse group perform, especially 'PoC' who if I recall are much more diverse in their skillsets than you imply.

Also, stop using that term. I'm Asian, but I don't think you meant me when you meant 'PoC.' I'm sick of simultaneously getting lumped in and then having my issues disregarded in the sea of black issues. I don't want your bullshit.
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>>8842581
my ancestors were slaves too and I'm white as fucking snow white
the slavery arguments have always been retarded, no matter who it's applied to

>>8842588
there are even less Asians nominated and I don't see any Asians circlejerking about it
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Can we stop talking about race and get back on fucking topic? This thread is going to get deleted if you don't shut the fuck up.
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>>8842628
it's a fucking general, like hell it's going to be deleted

anyone else struggle with pacing themselves to buy accessories/things other than main pieces? I still need to get a fuckin A-line petti but I'm looking at like two dresses at the same time
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>>8842661
same, Antoinette)
I have enough petties but I can't buy fucking shoes and headwear
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>>8842661
I need blouses and hair accessories, but I only like buying shoes, bags and main pieces.
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>>8842670
go to thrift stores. I bought three blouses there for 7,5 bucks (well, it was not SO cheap, 'cause ruble/dollar exchange rate sucks)
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>>8842670
Try aliexpress, I have about 5 Chiffon blouses that were about 10 bucks each.
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>>8842661
Not really. I handmake my pettis and hair accessories so I don't have to force myself to buy them and I'm pretty much a bolero/blouse maniac. The only issue is that I'd rather buy myself a fifth solid black dress than I buy a second black handbag. I've already got one why more?
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>>8842661
I just want all the dresses, and my bell petti just deflated, and I want to spend the money on another dress, but I need another petti and accessories and shoes. But then a dress of CC came up an I needed it. Can't wear it without a bell petti.
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>>8842682
where did you buy it? There is usually a big difference between in the picture and irl speaking of Ali
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>>8842685
Excuse me, what is 'solid black dress'?
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>>8842070
I'm thinking about blocking her racist ass. So tired of her fucking bullshit.

>>8842219
DO it please, and also time to make us some secrets.
I just made one which I'll be submitting soon.
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>>8842689
I don't remember every blouse I bought, but These two were pretty recent and I even bought them in 2 colorways:
http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Blue-Wine-Red-Black-Chiffon-Blouse-2015-Autumn-New-Fashion-Womens-Tops-Long-Sleeve-Peter-Pan/32541430983.html
http://de.aliexpress.com/item/Plus-Size-S-3XL-2014-Fashion-Spring-Summer-Women-s-Elegant-Temperament-Chiffon-Shirt-Blouse-Women/1745111715.html
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>>8842693
It's a solid color dress, just black, nothing else, no print, no accent colors, just one solid color.
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>>8842704
like this one?

http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bodyline/cabinet/p/p267-1.jpg
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>>8842706
Lurk more, anon, that's not lolita.
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>>8842706
>>8842693
Are you a troll or really just dumb? What is even happening to this thread.
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>>8842706
>http://image.rakuten.co.jp/bodyline/cabinet/p/p267-1.jpg
Yeah it is, but it looks tacky.
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>>8842713
Easy, anon. English is not my first language. I think it's OK to ask if you don't know the meaning of a word
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>>8842713
Calm down, maybe English is not her first language.
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>>8842712
of course not ;)
But I really like it. It'll work with goth outfits
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>>8842718
but suggesting such an ita-dress is either troll-like or dumb.
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>>8842722
Sure, goth's love poor quality lace.
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>>8842714
It was really hard to find any information about this dress. I saw it in a video of a goth girl, and it looked quite nice. Also there is one review that saus it's actually not a bad dress.

You know, don't judge bodyline's apparel by it's official photo)
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>>8842727
DIY, learn it.
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>>8842730
I've owned and sold enough bodyline Dresses and blouses to know how the quality will turn out. Not milanoo-tier but lacemonster-y enough to never consider it lolita. But lolita Fashion is so quality driven, it's completely okay for goth. My in-laws wear goth and they'd be all over this.
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>>8842723
maybe you'd like this one better
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>>8842734
yeah, i have never said it IS lolita.
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>>8842732
You don't need to be a cook to know when a dish is salty. This "yeah well do it yourself before you judge" mentality is so over-done.
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>>8842738
I mean, that dress is just base for me to do self-expression
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>>8842737
but you implied it by posting it on the lolita general. but like I said, other fashions don't mind lower quality and it will work for them.
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>>8842741
I'm really sorry for this. It was the first solid black dress i've seen after your post)

Also, bodyline's quality is awful for lolita but not so bad comparing with clothes from usual shops. It has 50% of cotton. lace is better, than usual and it's much cheaper. Goth shops sell even more crappy goods and it's really dear
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http://bodyline.jp/en/acc832.html
what do u think? it's sooo cheap! And looks normal.

http://bodyline.jp/en/hat192.html
B/w looks so cute, but other versions are sad. I mean, they look untidy
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>>8842761
Please stop. I agree with anon. What is even happening in this thread.
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>>8842766
Ok, I'm sorry
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>>8842750
please stop doing your russian smileys, this is an imageboard. if you want to convey an emotion use a picture.

I feel validated about my main piece thirst now, thanks gulls (though I guess I can't wear any of my dresses yet anyway because winter and northern hemisphere)
anyone else prefer OPs to JSKs? I find that I love the OPs a lot more than the JSK cuts on new releases usually.
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>>8842428
>>8842417
I wash my brand print dresses in the washing machine, trust me when I say unprinted bodyline is fine in the wash.
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>>8842850
>I wash my brand print dresses in the washing machine
Please tell me more
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>>8842617
Asians are POC, and you're right, they aren't making as big a fuss as black people, but doesn't mean they're not ticked off as well.
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>>8842853

Easy step-by-step guide to washing brand in the washing machine

> 1) Take off waist ties
> 2) Put it in washing machine
> 3) Add soap powder
> 4) Wash

I only ever wash my clothes on 40 degrees (Celcius), lolita or not, and I never put my dresses in the dryer, I'm not that brave.
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>>8842842
I will. I am new to imageboards
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>>8842894
lurk more, stop posting for a good few months. I spent 3-4 months lurking when I first started on 4chan, there's a lot of unwritten rules and culture to pick up on
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>>8842900
Thanks for the help
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>>8842853
Can you wash velvet pieces in the washing machine? Or hand wash them? I usually bring them to the dry cleaners but they are fucking expensive in my country and if there is a way to save money, I'm all up for it.
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>>8842894
Jesus, you are embarrassing, comrade. Please fuck off to the JSF 2ch
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>>8842868
>40c
Good lord, wash in cold water please!!
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>>8842993
agreed, I don't dare wash most of my t-shirts in 40 because they pick up holes instantly. 20/30 or just the cold water setting
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>>8842628
Only posts will get deleted.

>>8842588
Like the other anon said- it's all bullshit. I feel this way about every award ceremony. And political events. It's just a show. Who gives a shit what it is.
I assume you bring this up bc I mentioned /tv/ - I used to love that hobby. But everything is shit now.

>>8842617
>my ancestors were slaves too and I'm white as fucking snow white
Where you from? Just curious
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>>8842904
Do not wash velvet pieces in the machine, it'll ruin them. When I was 18, I put my favourite vintage velvet coat into my washing machine at 30 and it was ruined. Never again, just don't risk it.
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>>8842904
Not sure what the circumstances are, but it's generally unnecessary to wash the entire dress and instead addressing spots like the under arms with a soak mixed with woolite should do you just fine. Velvet is usually cotton based, just handle it with care, don't wring it out, place it between towels and press.
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>>8843051
Estonia - we were bitches for Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Russia and Poland. the commonly used term is serfdom but same shit, until the 1800s we were literally owned by our landlords and every girl's virginity was claimed by them

I know this question gets repeated all the time, but it never gets much of a satisfactory answer - is MLT legit or not for pettis? she gets recommended all the time but the fact that literally all of her feedback on her page is 5/5 and her prices are so low makes me kinda nervous
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>>8842101
Why do people like this act like there needs to be a bare minimum of a race? Why do we have to convert black people to liking lolita if they like some other fashion? There's plenty of good black lolitas and other races in lolita fashion, so Wonderfinch can shove it up her ass.

If you wanted to get technical about it, whites and blacks are both minorities in lolita fashion compared to asians. What does being a minority in lolita even mean? It affects literally nothing, other than you don't see as many photos of your race. I've literally never seen racism in lolita as it's a pretty global fashion now.

I used to have a shred of respect for Wonderfinch, but it looks like she drinks plentifully from SJW kool-aid, using amusing terms like "WoC" and "Uncle Toms" unironically in her sperging. Her projection gives a lot of milk, though.
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i know there are better places to ask, but i want to get some input from fellow lolitas.. how do you guys deal with with your salty feelings in the fashion?

the fashion used to make me happy, but recently a good lolita friend has gone super efame hungry and it's starting to make me bitter towards the fashion.

advice is appreciated, thanks gulls.
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>>8843109
Why would your friend's actions change how you feel about the fashion? Not questioning you or your feelings, just trying to understand.
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>>8843118
not to blog, but i guess the fashion was always fun and we had fun together participating. but now she's so focused on efame and being popular, it feels like the fashion changed her for the worse?

i almost want to say this is something that happens often, but maybe i'm biased because of my own situation.
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So Vierge Vampur is selling a new colorway of Meal Time OP on the 27th at la majie de parfum duox. I know they were selling the green and black colorways at another event last november so is there a chance they'll be releasing it again on their webshop any time soon?

source: https://twitter.com/ViergeVampur/status/694172494438109185
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What kind of features should I be looking for in a lolita appropriate blazer?
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>>8843055
The dress has to be cleaned properly. It smells like it was drained in sweat, like it was worn on a hot summer day and the person moved a lot and didn't use deodorant or something. If it were just the armpits, I'd try to spot clean it. But I'd still feel disgusted wearing it.
I guess there is no way around the dry cleaners then.
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>>8843174
Eww okay no, I would get that shit dry cleaned asap.
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I bought a dress that turned out to be missing some parts (wasn't mentioned in the listing) and when I brought it up with the seller, I was met with a "it's not my fault attitude". I've asked for a very small partial refund and haven't heard anything back. What do?
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>>8843169
You're looking for a smart tailored fit that comes up high on the waist, between your natural waist and hip that doesn't dampen the poof of your petti. If you find something a little loose you can anyways have it tailored but something like shoulder width is much more tricky and costly.
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>>8843185
Was this listing on LM or LSE? And did the photos show said missing parts? I know you said it "wasn't mentioned", but what about the "proof" photos?

If the photos showed the missing pieces, and they weren't sent, they're at fault. If the photos didn't show the missing pieces, you're sadly probably SOL for not having asked/noticed at the time I'm afraid.

LSE mods seem more sympathetic to these things than LM though, which is why I asked where the listing was.
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>>8843060
All of those reviews on FB are legit. I bought a petti from her too and I absolutely love it. I recommend hard tulle for maximum poof.
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Is Moi-meme-Moitie a meme?
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I'm making caps of the shitstorm on RC.
Gosh I hate wonderfuck so much.
She just goes on and on and on. Plays the victim while attacking others, kek.
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>>8843189
LSE, and the pieces and the corset lacing weren't shown in the proof picture. Maybe I'll just forget about it, I'm annoyed by the principle of it, mostly. Especially since there was no markdown.
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>>8843214
They should have mentioned it, really.
I'd still contact a mod about it, especially because of their stinky attitude.
Or file a claim with paypal even.
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>>8843128
her actions are a symptom of social media culture, not lolita. it is not the fashion that changed her. she has changed, for reasons of her own. lolita is not stealing her from you; she herself is choosing online attention over you.
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>>8843206
Mana worship is one of the oldest lolita memes.
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>>8843211
Post them on the farm when you're done?
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>>8843242
I usually don't go to the farm so where do you want me to post them?
Let me know and I'll go make some posts.
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>>8843258
go to snow. there's a thread about it
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>>8843275
Thanks, posting now.
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>>8842842
I love OPs with long sleeves. Especially long chiffon sleeves. I have big shoulders and arms, and I find that sleeves down to the elbow or 3/4 sleeves are very flattering to me. Too bad OPs are always the most expensive cut.

>>8843214
I got fucked over by a seller once. The dress was missing the corset lacing and had cat hair all over (like, really noticeable cat hair.) I'd leave a note in their feedback section, if I were you.
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>>8843206
Your plebness is
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>>8843294
Hey how big are your shoulders? I have pretty big shoulders and kind of settled for not being able to wear OP'S but I want to so badly. If someone else with larger shoulders can then I definitely can.
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>>8843206
no
>are you a joke?
meta might be a meme though
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>>8841927
I NEED IT
Dropped email: [email protected]
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