Old one is in autosage
>how to order from Vograce
Do post suggestions on what the next thread image should be.
Is Corky-Lunn's guide in the right place here, or should it be placed in one of the other sheets? I get the feeling people might not find it then.
Yeah, sorry, that was worded a bit vague. Should the link be in the OP, or should it instead be inside one of the spreadsheets, is what I meant. It could be in the Taobao/Alibaba spreadsheet, but I guess it's OK like this, because it's the easiest way to find it. It'll prevent most of the basic questions.
I went to a-kon last year and sales wise it went really well for me. Tables sold out in like 10 seconds so it was a hard grab. I would definitely recommend it. I just had an awful experience because my money pouch was stolen there, but that's hardly the con's fault.
>Oh and apparently some girl got assaulted?
>Sent a cop over to me so I could describe my stolen money bag
>Start talking about what it looked like
>"Hold up, what money? I'm here for the girl that was sexually assaulted" and leaves
Haven't had to deal with any sort of theft yet, but I added a little camera (those dashcam camera types that use a microSD - records the whole day with audio).
Although nothing happened, it was actually very educational re-watching what happens at your table, seeing people that you were out or distracted how they react to certain prints and such. The funniest was when this former friend a-hole/rival happen to sneak by a neighbors table just to spy on our table (and talk some crap-lol caught him) HILARIOUS! made the purchase worthwhile in the end, wouldn't have seen it if the camera was there.
Speaking of A-kon, I applied for the first time last year with a friend and we were waitlisted. Before the con they talked about on-site AA reg and mentioned that there was "Little movement from the waitlist." Are Waitlisters supposed to contact the con on the reg to see if there are open spots or what? How does this work?
Also, if I'm from out of town, how worth it is it to bring stuff in the hopes of getting a spot because of a last second drop?
Can't speak for A-kon, but San Japan in the same state sold them on site if people didn't arrive at a certain time. Only a couple tables got sold, and they weren't to people on the waiting list, just fcfs. However, I didn't see this happening at all at A-kon and as far as I know, every table showed up. So I'd say your chases are pretty low.
In any case, it'd only be worth it if you were attending otherwise or you lived in the area. If spots did open up, they'd be gone quickly. The odds aren't in your favor.
San Japan did onsite? If I'd known I might have gone! I wasn't fast enough to get a table there and had read that the only other way to get a table at SJ was to participate in their art contest.
I saw people in A-kon's AA on Thursday waiting in line at a chance for a last minute AA table, but I usually come from Austin. Thanks for the info.
I'd table at more local cons, but I have trouble finding out when their tables open up for sale.
Omg, that's great, I need to do that for my next table. Might make it extremely visible just to deter grabby assholes who enjoy smearing body paint and fermented sweat all over my displays.
I know this is incredibly general and of course it varies on your own popularity, the con, etc, but for those of you who sell acrylic charms, how many do you bring of each design per con, roughly? I have 3 cons confirmed this year and I was thinking of 20 of each design to cover me for all three cons but i'm not sure.
I'm curious how many of you have had people snag things from your table? Do you have a friend or two that helps you watch out to prevent these types of happenings?
I want to sell at an AA but thieving turns me off and makes me wary because making a product is time and money and that could be profit goes down the drain when people with sticky fingers come along.
I've considered having glass displays, showing one of each product (charms/pins etc) inside and just having a draw on my side with the mass of things, I've seen people who just have everything spread about their tables and I wonder how they can do it so blatantly.
Same things for plushies that people sell just have one out and the rest stored. I've heard people complain about how they have all their plush out and some random con-goer cuts the black cord and steals it off the display.
it's not common in my country but I can see it happening. I have separate 'display' copies of everything i'm selling so I don't really count them as stock... there's little things you can do to deter theft (small weights on prints on your table, keychains securely fastened with pins, display stickers beneath a laminated cover...etc ) and to be honest that's usually enough. If it's not super easy most of the scumbags who would steal from an artist alley won't bother.
I have a con coming up and I'm stumped on how to display things, especially buttons.
Does anyone have pictures of AA tables for some inspiration on how to set up my displays? Much appreciated!
I can count the amount of times i've had theft happen (that i noticed i guess) on one hand in doing cons for 3-4 years. It sucks when it happens but it's honestly rare? I always go solo and don't have people watch my table when i have to step away. Actually all the thefts happened when i was at the table and didn't see lol. MOST people are good people.
This. In three years I've never had a theft, and my friend has only had it happen once. I typically don't leave my table much and when I do I always have a friend or staff member keep an eye on it for me. Most of my stuff is bigger plush, one of a kind things that I would notice if they went missing and the theif would have to hide them after stealing so it's probably a bit of a hassle to steal from me. Most people are generally good, and the ones who aren't are cowards who wait for the easiest safest opportunity, so I'm not overly worried about that kind of thing.
Hey, I'm located in Austin too. Apply for Ikkicon in the fall, and Anime Austin is this summer, it's a first year con but if you're local it might be worth it, applications are open. Oni-con in Galveston has applications open too. And keep an eye out of A-fest applications, I always miss those. Delta H-con has applications open as well, it's in Houston but it has a small attendance. Anime Overload is Austin as well, not open yet but keep an eye out, that one is also small. Oh, and RealmsCon in Galveston has applications open as well. Just sort of keep an eye out on upcomingcons.com and animecons.con you can search by state, and it'll link you to conventions sites and then you can stalk their twitter and facebook for application dates. Good luck on A-kon, I'm hoping I can get in on that one this year too, as well as San Japan.
What do you guys think when a convention suddenly posts this in an Artist Alley info:
>Artists may only sell their own original artwork and creations.
I just get the feelz of a gestapo crackdown comming - that or possible abuse of power by staffers on certain artist. I can only think to say is:
1) They (the staffers) don't represent any of the industry.
2) They posted this first so they can say it's on the rules.
I know nearly 70-80% what has been sold in this AA is based off a copyrighted character.
>tfw when I know that some of these "orginal local wannabe art/manga artist" types have been marginalized the past few years by awesome farnart illustrations and prints
The only mention of fan art itself was somewhat open to interpretation - artist can only sell it if it is considered “fan art.” So I am assuming this "considered by" is going to be staffers again.
This is going to be a fun year.
How do you guys go about getting through cons on your own, as in no helpful neighbors or helpers? I'm always worried about managing food and bathroom time since I have a few medical issues, and I'm also a bit paranoid about theft. I usually try to buy food for the day before the alley opens and get other business sorted by then, but by the middle of the day I always have one reason or another that I need to leave my table for longer than a minute.
At SacAnime I saw a guy just cover his table with a sheet and leave a 'be right back' sort of note, but I wasn't sure if that was the best way to go about it...
still a rarity but happens. I do think to deter is to always acknowledge someone that approaches your table, so it tells them you know they are there, the ones that ignore them may just encourage them.
I don't even bother covering my shit, i just put a sign that says brb. If you have more valuable items i would grab them under the table but i've never had anything stolen while i've been gone, only while i've been sitting there not paying attention. (I'm >>8828302 , i do about 8-10 of the biggest cons a year)
i'm imagining a customer casually mentioning that garnet necklaces are really nice, aren't they, and the vendor pulls a brown string-tied envelope of steven universe fanart from underneath the table
Just popping in to say thanks some gull who's store I bought some Gravity Falls merchandise and a /cgl/ button from for including an extra lanyard in my order. The Gravity Falls stuff was a Christmas gift for my sister and she loved it.
I can't remember the name of your store, sorry! But I think you post in these threads.
topic is ongoing for years... not unless there is going to be a major disney affair at your con and you have not sold hundreds of a single copyrighted character, the most you would have to fear is a cease and desist order.
As for the staffers, that is just another cesspool of epeen that wants to feel stroked once a year, and if you are on their cliques shitlist you can expect to be harassed in some manner.
Thanks for letting me know, anon! I'm actually from 20 miles out, but I usually go into Austin and carpool with friends to cons. I might try Overload since I've heard it's pretty small. Good luck to you for A-kon, too!
Anyone else having poor sales this month? It's not the end of the month yet but still, I haven't had a single sale which has never happened even when I first started out. Hopefully I'll get something before the end of the month. It's just weird because I've put a ton of new stuff up and I'm getting plenty of likes and views just no bites.
I'm thinking it's because everyone's broke after Christmas but my anxiety is telling me it's because all my stuff is awful.
Last year I was wait listed and I ended up getting in on dropouts.
Chin up, think positive thoughts!
Yeah, same thing happened to me! But I think there were a ton more dropouts because they released acceptances so late so a lot of out of state artists had to drop out. They're releasing them a lot earlier this year, so I feel like there won't be as many but we'll see!
A lot of really solid artists are making it in this year. From what I've seen on twitter it looks print-heavy, but I know a number of crafters got in too so hopefully the overall alley will be a little more diverse this year
Have you guys ever experienced artist alley drama/ shit talking and general rudeness from other artists?
If so how do you cope?
I can't be the only one this shit happens to.
I try to be generally nice to everyone and helpful and a good neighbor but ever since I started doing better in terms of sales at cons (I average at around 3 to 5k as a print/apparel artist) I've had a bad falling out with my old artist alley friend group becouse I "stole their sales" and "it's not possible I did better than them becouse I'm not popular online" (I don't have a tumblr and I don't pander) and more recently I've been getting glares/shit talked by aa neighbors.
Sometimes I have lines at my booth and I try to keep my customers from blocking other booths/process people as fast as possible and my neighbors just sit there staring daggers at me anyway.
My best experiences were when I sat next to artists that do better than me, my worst were when I sit next to kids fresh out of collage with inflated egos that think just becouse their Steven universe genderfluid trans ocs get lots of notes on tumblr that people will be willing to pay $15 for an 8x11 at home print out.
Ugh sorry I just need to vent.
Wow, those "friends" are jerks. Sure, I can understand if they're a bit jealous, because who doesn't want to make money? But they don't have to be so mean about it. If my friend was doing well, I'd be jelly but also feel really proud of them because they are my friend. Don't let people like that stress you out, anon.
Was kinda with you until you trashed rando kids on tumblr. Sounds like you humblr brag and slip into insulting people instead of taking your success in stride so idk you'd probably annoy me too.
Thank you anon. That makes me feel better, I thought I was a bitch or something but I even offered to treat them to coffee becouse I did well and they were just rude to me until they straight up stopped talking to me. What's worse is they're local so I keep getting placed next to them at cons and its like I can't just forget they exist.
sorry I didn't realize I sounded like that I should have worded things better.
Ignore it. You're there to make money, so if you're making money, you're doing it right.
They can bitch and moan about the money you're making, but it's not gonna get them any more cheddar than if they don't, so just keep doing you.
Yup, San Japan did on site, but it wasn't until second day at noon. It cost less than the full weekend, but you'd be missing a good chunk of sales. I actually didn't get my prints until day two, but I still made a record amount, so I definitely suggest it! Almost everyone pays with card so you don't run into many people being broke by Sunday.
(Also the seagulls at San Japan are the absolute sweetest, best I've met in the country)
i dun goof'd and didn't get anything new made in time for a con that's in a week.
i have old stock, but i need some new shit to spice things up.
how much have you guys seen original pencil drawings sell for in AA?
how about fully painted aceos?
they would be a mix of original concepts and fanart
pic related would be an example of the effort i'd be putting into the sketches, though they'd be halfbody to fullbody
I really hope you feel better! It really sucks that they're local...ignoring the ppl you see consistently can be hard. Maybe they'll grow up soon enough and realize that you're not "stealing" their sales. Good luck!!
I've noticed that smaller artists are the first to ask how much someone else made, either to inflate their own ego or to make sure they are doing okay compared to others. If you tell them the truth, they get butthurt. If you politely decline to say, they get butthurt. It's a lose lose situation, unless you go out if your way to avoid conversation, which is just as bad.
why would it get you on a shit list to ignore people who don't like you? am i mis-reading something here?
anyway yea like >>8828766 said if you aren't just humble bragging about this "problem", stop telling people how much you make unless you know they're mature enough to deal with it / make about the same as you do or more. There's a good reason why most artists are vague about how well they are doing when they are not anonymous.
Just tell them you don't share numbers and keep it vague. I tell people i do well enough to justify coming to X amount of cons and only do Y amount of work on the side in addition to cons. They can decide how well they are doing compared to that.
If they ask about a specific con and how well i do I tell them how well i do in terms of other cons, like i did XXX% as well as another con we've been to together. People do not need to know more unless you're going to invest in something together.
That really sucks to hear, anon. While I agree that you shouldn't try to let it get to you, if a lot of other artists are treating you badly at different cons maybe it's something you're doing wrong?
There's an artist (recently turned vendor) I know in my con circuit who is pretty much universally hated by all the other artists I know because she specifically goes around asking everyone how much they made. She'll even ask strangers their profit margins and gloat/humble brag if someone says they're not doing well. I think she's oblivious to how rude she's being becuase you shouldn't be discussing profit with strangers and you definitely shouldn't be going around during a slow con and telling all the other artists you feel bad for them.
I'm not saying you do any of these things anon but if it's a common enough reoccurence, maybe take a look at your interactions because you might be unwittingly offending the other artists.
Yeah I guess I never realized that sharing numbers wasn't something anyone was comfortable with but I've only told my numbers to close friends when they ask, I'll definately be more vague next time.
I never realized there was so much aa drama, I guess it's becouse were all there to make money so it's pretty competitive.
Any advice on how to not get on people's bad side?
Befriend people who DON'T do any of the following:
- give unsolicited advice
- ask you for your sources
- ask how much you made
- badmouth other artists
- believe that their art major entitles them
Honestly, I know where you're coming from so I have a feeling the people you're aggravating are just bitter. They won't help you progress as an artist/seller/ person, so let them be on your bad side. Sooner or later, they'll be left behind anyway. Keep good company, forget the rest.
anon is more pointing out things that could be a liability. like, imagine you give someone a resource that was fine for you and it messes something of theirs up, they'd baww to you about your recommendation.
I'm with the other anon here. If I see a seller that seems cool and that has well-made pins or something, I might ask, "You art looks great, and these are well-put together. Where'd you get them done?" If they're super crabby and won't share, then it just means they're insecure and shitty.
i don't think it's paranoid especially since the OP was talking about people actually giving her shit. stuff like this is a judgement call so it makes to tell her not even to do that. i also notice some people whine at me about what my resources are.
Yeah, I only share with close friends who will also share with me. Generally I don't mind disclosing to other friends who ask me for numbers if they open with something like "I hope I'm not being rude..." and they seem like they genuinely want to trade con tips instead of treating me like competition.
I definitely know where you're coming from though because one of my friends who introduced me to cons kind of got salty after I started doing well and told other people that I'm making up stories about my financial situation because she saw me going to so many cons. (I spend like 80% of my con profits helping out my parents - she was just an acquaintance and therefore didn't know this but still chose to tell other people that she suspected I was lying and stuffing my pockets with profits.)
If you can't think of anything you've done to make other artists mad, it's possible that your former friends are going around spreading stories about you. It really sucks but gossip travels so fast in the AA scene. Honestly AAs should be more like a community where we share resources and advice but since there's money involved and people get catty, I always end up being kind of guarded. Again, I'm sorry that happened to you. Hopefully you can make new con buddies who won't be as petty.
Me neither. I'm not too upset, I kind of forgot to apply and had to slap something together minutes before the deadline. On the other hand, one of my favourite artists who is leagues above me didn't get in either so even if I put the effort in I don't think I would have made it.
Some of us run this as a business and spend A LOT of time looking for where to get things made. Calling us "selfish" "immature" "crabby"? Seriously, get up and go look for your own shit and stop bothering other artists for their information. Those of us with private sources will only share with friends we can trust.
Most people I've talked to at cons accept Ali as a source and go away happy. Even if you're more specific people probably won't remember the company name anyway.
I know this mostly applies to customers rather than artists, but let's face it, there's a relatively small pool of sources we all use and most artists who bother to do their research will know about them. If half the AA sells acrylic charms, there's a good chance half the AA already knows about Vograce, and so on. It's not a trade secret, it's common knowledge.
And yes, I would call it immature. You don't have private sources, unless you have a friend who does work solely for you and your friends. There's no need to hold someone's hand and walk them through ordering from China, and it won't harm your sales.
Sorry for the blog post, but a friend of mine recently got mega buttmad because she recently realized that people did in fact know that it's possible to buy good quality charms from China, and got pissed because she honestly thought she was the only one who knew this.
telling someone where you got your 1 inch buttons made isn't going to suddenly decrease your own sales.
a lot of stuff is found pretty easily through google, thanks in part to a lot of generous artists sharing their methods and resources.
not to mention, it isn't like you're hand making your one-of-a-kind work with ancient methods passed down through your family. you're using a service run by another business person to make your shit.
if some aspiring merch maker would also find that service useful, what is your motivation for withholding the info? what do you gain, expect some salty peers?
>tf trying to find a decent maker for scarves
>Thinking about art cow for bags
>some other place for shirts
Has anyone ever used this site before? I wanted to make my own hand made plushies but I have really bad shaky hands.
I think I might try them one day when I can think of a cute design for a stuffed animal. The samples do look nice though.
Also do any of you get stationaries made along with stickers or perhaps sell notebooks with 'insert copy righted character or OC here'? I've been seeing some inspiration lately.
meant to add I'm looking at the showroom and the quality for some of the plush seems really good for some and really bad for others, but non the less pretty alright. I'm kind of hoping they have new and old mixed.
Which of those cons is profitable enough to warrant a bit of a drive? I went to a pile of Texas cons back in the day, but not so much in the last five years. I'm driving over from Louisiana and the time and expense to participate in a shitty AA with a low attendee turnout would be disappointing.
I'll say this as an artist, loose pencil art like this is the stuff I want to buy. I prefer to see the strokes an artist makes over really smooth cel-shaded stuff. It'd definitely garner some attention. If you can make good prints off of it, do that as well. I've seen people sell prints of pencil work before.
Hey, we've met. anyways
I think your pieces/ commissions an go up for $80-200 a piece if it's something more then a bust. I know you have a pretty good fan base already so I don't think that's an issue. Just make sure you presented well, get heavy stock paper. maybe have a frame around it. if someone like it, they will buy it.
as for commissions. my prices are 80/person inked and I get about 10 commissions a weekend.
I don't do them anymore because it's too much work and My posters sell well enough .
Hope that helps.
Would you say an online presence and store is a MUST to be successful at AA? A coworker just discovered my embarrassing trashy blog, so I deleted everything I have under that username. I was getting tired of keeping a blog anyway so no harm there. And not having an online presence sounds like a great idea to escape from being discovered by your dayjob peeps. Iirc, someone was talking about how they have a zero presence online but still do great at AA. Is it possible to pull this off even if my art is mediocre?
Not to sound salty (since I didn't get in either) but I think that to a degree some of the selection is arbitrary. There is a rubric, but some things like "personal appeal" are just random or impossible to "explain." Also kind of explains instances like and the discrepancy in quality
Ngl I sometimes feel like cons pick out the super popular artists who get like 2 tables and then assign numbers to each person and then use a number generator to pick people out. Like you said, the discrepancy in quality can be huge. I've seen people who have a table with a couple pieces of lumpy clay jewelry or only 10 different prints at the same con as people like Yuumei. I know this sounds really salty but I feel like cons don't always take a good look at people's portfolios before accepting them.
Online presence is surprisingly not linked to how well you do at AAs. Some people barely make a tenner all month in online sales and make bank at a con.
If your art is mediocre, improve it. If you post an example here we can give you concrit, but if you're not comfortable with that then go through your art and make a list of the stuff that you feel isn't working. Shading, colour theory and anatomy are three things almost everyone needs to work on, so start with those.
If you have mediocre yet cute art, it'll sell. Weebs snatch up anything that catches their eye, but don't feel that you need to sell a ton of prints. Prints need more detail than, say, a button or a small sticker, and backgrounds are a pain in the ass, so if you're insecure about your art consider making smaller things like charms or buttons. They sell just as well.
I have never not made an insane profit at A-Kon. It's such a busy con that you'd honestly have to be shit to do poorly. You can have insane prices and still have someone buy something. $200 of my profit came just from doll stuff.
You will be pleased to know that all the shitheads got fired after last year's fiasco and have been replaced. I'm excited for the programming this year, mainly because you can't get any worse than what happened last year.
Anon was just giving an example. No one was talking about anything in particular, just 'sources' in general. I can't take the AA very seriously since selling fanart is borderline illegal anyway. Since I see it more as a community, I think it's rather sad that some people so hush-hush about their sources. Even a vague answer would be better than keeping completely mum.
Thanks. I don't think I can go back to Ikki... I possibly hate it even more than A-kon just from the old days when I attended like 5 Texas cons a year. The first years of Ikki were shit and they don't sound much better these days based on threads in /cgl/.
SJ has the nicest AA for an anime con imo. The size and variety of artists is always nice.
Dare I ask if any of you have tackled Dragoncon? It's mostly comic art but there's a mix of stuff, or you could have sold in the art show...
Wow. Well, the conheads themselves were pretty shitty in the past, but good to hear that some things are changing. My last A-kon was like 8-9 years ago. We left the con three years in a row saying "Fuck A-kon" for a variety of reasons and then finally just stopped going entirely.
That said, may try for a table despite the odds stacked against me.
Clay items are nice actually. I like tables that have something other than just the normal prints/keychains/stickers (even though that's what my table is). I meant that i saw tables that were almost bare like a table cloth and 5 rings and a couple small figurines. If you have enough items to fill your table, then by all means feel free to apply. I've seen lolita crafters have full
tables with clay phone charms, charms/charm bracelets, and other clay jewelry.
People get weird about money anon. I always go with something vague if other artists ask me how I'm doing. Most just want to get a feel for how everyone around them is selling but when you get too detailed and share numbers it can rub people the wrong way. And some people are just petty or get crabby when they're not doing well. In my experience it's usually new artists who don't realize AAs aren't some kind of "get rich quick" thing.
I remember one con, I had been doing it for a while and just started getting my table and my stuff together to the point where I was starting to profit. I ended up doing fairly well by the middle of the event and one of my neighbors who was new (and not terribly artistic, just sort of selling easy crafts like suuuper simple deco stuff and candles she melted and reformed inside seashells) who had been very sweet for most of the con asked me for specific numbers. She was nice about it. Gave the whole "I hope this isn't rude but-" speal. So I decide to tell her casually that I had hit over 1k the day before and I hadn't tallied things up from the past few hours yet. I swear her jaw dropped and maybe she didn't mean it the way I took it but she acted really dumbfounded, kind of scoffed, and said "what!? A thousand dollars?! But you just sell *stuffed animals*." Umm. How much do you think I'm selling them for, $1 each? She was kind of salty after that but she had been asking me and my friend for a lot of advice and stuff throughout the con so I figured it would be okay. Honestly I know that's not even an impressive amount compared to a lot of artists but she had not been doing well. It's best to keep it vague, and of someone really wants to know and THEN acts bitchy then yeah it's not you.
Most likely they weren't trying to insult you but were naive on the subject and were genuinely shocked. Some people aren't aware of the profits that can be made especially if they're new or not creating anything of interest. You just never know if they're going to react in distaste since they're not making the same as you or amazement that you're capable of doing so. If someone's pestering you for the answer then they're probably the exact person who shouldn't know.
I have not, I haven't done any Atlanta shows, unfortunately. But I have done some comic cons in texas and I have done pretty well. I tend to cater mostly to western fandoms and that's probably why, trying to put more anime in my inventory this year.
How's it feel to be a member of weenie hut jr'?
Example: This is being made by shinedown, and I think they're doing a fine job but the character just looks ugly as shit to me. And that's not the manufacturers fault. Honestly it reminds me of those goofyass designs for some of the "as seen on TV" stuffed animal products.
I do agree, but really it feels like people who want it have no design for concept.
There's also the fact with the same old tired kawaii uguu plush with the black dot eyes, and small mouthes that are close together in the middle of the face that keep being used over and over and no one trying to be slightly different, I know in this biz you can be only so original but there's hardly any effort.
It feels a lot better knowing that you actually spent the time to track down this specific post from months ago just to bring it back again.
Be real, anon, how many hours a day do you devote to thinking about me?
I don't.... actually.... care? I remember making that post, but I'm also not gonna bitch and moan about not getting into Fanime. Literally nothing prompted their post other than a petty vendetta.
There are a bunch of online places to get them done. Another option is to look for a local screenprinter's-- not necessarily the ones that advertise themselves as "custom shirts" but the ones that do screenprinting for prints and stuff too. One of my first jobs was at a custom t-shirt printing company that offered a variety of cuts/sizes and they basically just made friends with a bunch of custom printers across the US and paid them to do it. If your designs are simple, single-color, a screenprinter could probably do it pretty easy since they already have all the equipment.
Dunno about pricing. I would assume it'd be cheaper since you'd be taking out the middleman, but again, find a local screenprinter's first and get a quote from them before going online (I used to work at ooshirts. I dunno if people still use customink but they do them too)
-Buttons (1"-2", usually) $2 each or bundled (like 5-6 for $10 or something like that)
-Polymer charms/keychains (I'm assuming handmade, clay) Upwards of $10+ depending on complexity. I have a friend who does really detailed ones that she sells for like $30+ and she usually still sells out (esp of popular characters)
-Earrings- I think like $10-$15ish? Again, depending on complexity.
It's not wrong to ask your neighbors to just keep an eye on your shit. I usually just put up a sign saying I'll be right back or I'll ask con friends to cover for me for a bit
If you have consistent sales throughout the year and they're just now dipping a bit, it's more likely a seasonal thing and not an appeal thing.
It's just awful and reflective of ugly american design.. but i'm too scared to tell her myself even though we're FB friends for fear she'll get mad at me. I hope she see's this and takes the advice to drop this design and work on making things more ....appealing...
Would she really drop it though? She's already had to send back a lot of revisions and spent so much time on it, right? And she seems very fond of it or obviously she wouldn't be willing to take such an expensive plunge. But I understand you wanting to tell her to rethink the design and being worried about her reaction.
I like the concept but it really does look like a fairground toy.
almost everyone used to use them but they frequently missed deadlines, dropped communication or punted off excess shipping fees on their customers and stuff? Idk personally, all i know was like half a year or a year ago literally all the gann memorial people told them to fuck off and moved to shinedown
I knew it would end like that. When they dropped communication I got scared they would run off with the money in a similar fashion.
And how is Shinedown? No problems so far? Worth a try?
Didn't Gann show up on AANI and try to make excuses for their shitty actions and it ended up turning back against them by what they had said? I think the post was deleted twice, so I have no idea. The plush artists are the ones that were mainly paying attention to the drama.
as far as i can tell from AANI no one has had any problems with shine down. working direct with factory will always be cheaper but they seem to be your best bet for a small company that doesn't want to deal with finding a reliable factory and the paper work etc. it's worth a shot to search aani for gann and shinedown to do your own research, i'm just going off the top of my head.
The eyes turned inwards and up like that makes me think of those 'fucked-silly' faces, which is not an image I would associate with cute or for kids. It makes the face look kinda lecherous...
How does one usually submit a design to a manufacturer?
If you want them to print something in silicone or whatnot, would they need a 3D render with dimensions done first, or do you just send them something hand/computer drawn and have them figure it out?
I haven't done it, but I think you send them multiple sketched out angles and views of what you want and they would have someone to make the render for you. It seems silly to have to do your own 3D modeling when you're outsourcing.
Depends on the manufacturer; some can do both, but the latter would cost a significant amount more, since you're paying for two services: both the manufacturing and the designing. It looks like a lot of people in AANI sketch it up and then the manufacturer works on the patterns, since they talk about asking them to alter the pattern, or changing things here and there, and having them remake it over and over again until they are satisfied with the product.
What exactly is it comparing, is it the same manufacturer on both sides or a different ones?
Also this is ugly as hell. This thing supposed to have hair or is it ice cream melting on it's head? Because it's done lazily.
Have you guys ever had someone admire your stuff so much they try to mimic what you do or at least how you look?
>Last year around this time I was posting to the FB group. Someone comments saying their website and my website look very similar.
>I check it out and notice they copied my very generic looking background.
>Decide to change background to something more custom
>Person says I should just leave it the way it is
>Decide to change whole website so it looks nothing like theirs
>Keep tabs on their website to check if they try to copy me again
>Go back last night because I haven't gone in awhile and the whole layout has changed to mimic mine (the only difference is the graphics, but placement and text are the same)
>Calm down enough to message the person and politely tell them their site is starting to look too much like mine and it's making me feel uncomfortable.
>Get reply right away. Person is just as shocked as I am, actually sorta sad. Has no idea why it's so similar and only took advice from a friend.
I asked that they rearrange their site and they haven't replied since. Some of my friends said I should change my site again, but I really liked this layout and I don't want to keep changing it and having this person just mimic me again and again. So what would you guys do?
It's the same manufacturer. They probably got an earlier prototype they didn't like, and asked them to make changes on the pattern, resulting in the new version on the right. They then make notes on what other changes still need to be made.
Could you post some screenshots or share the actual sites? You might be able to tell by coding if she's stealing things but it sounds like she's obviously taking ideas from you at least. Since they brought up the site to you they probably wanted to make it look like they had it first but they're making themselves look stupid by constantly copying and pretending they're doing nothing wrong.
You won't be able to stop them from changing their site if you change yours again so just stick with something that you really like. If you can tell they're active then maybe just tell them you put in the effort to change your whole website when they originally mentioned the similarities and you don't like the fact you're being ignored. It just makes them look more guilty. Maybe in the future you'll no longer like the design and you can then change it. hopefully she won't be lurking.
Yeah I know what you mean. I'm using Storenvy so I know every SE will have some similarities, but I went in a literally stripped most of the premade storenvy stuff (the shop logo and location and changed how many items you see on my main page) and added my own graphics. I noticed they added a sliding banner after I did mine etc and I let it go because it wasn't so shady, but now I can't let this go.
I want to post, but I was trying to stay anon for the both of us involved because I didn't want people running to them. I can't even post their shop on my fb page because we have mutual friends and I didn't want them running to this person before I did.
It's mostly idea copying. The graphics are what's different and instead of this graphic being on the left it's now in the center but the graphic has the same text as mine and the same size and shape. If that makes sense?
I wanted to tell them everything you just said but I was trying to keep it as nice as possible in the first e-mail.
I know this person will still be lurking because we go to the same conventions. They even introduced themselves to me at our last one.
You probably shouldn't be nice to them but I understand why you would as the situation could get worse depending on their reaction. Did they introduce themselves as a fan? They must have seen your original setup so they're being kind of creepy about it.
It's kind of hard to comment without seeing the comparison but only change your graphics if it becomes too much to handle or if you think of some alterations to change it up a bit. By text do you mean font or wording? I'd save some screenshots of both sites so you can have some proof in the future if you need it. You could always change your site and change it back if they copy again.
Yeah they came over and told me they were a big fan. That's why I'm trying not be a dick.
I was trying to remain anon because while they are similar to me they aren't 100% direct copies in terms of graphics. I didn't want people looking down on me for jumping the gun because they made enough difference to make it their own, but yeah you really can't know until you see it.
Mine is at the top and theirs is at the bottom. I covered up things that might identify them, but I post in the group a lot so it might be obvious to some who I am.
I may change my "What's new" and "What's popular" graphics.
They even made a cheap text copy of one of my buttons last year, but I ignored that too. I ignored a lot to be nice and now this happened.
The right side is the artist's revisions using Photoshop/whatever editing software to show the manufacturer the changes they want made. When you're outsourcing plush usual the company will do test runs and keep sending them to you so you can ask them to refine it until you are satisfied, then they move on to mass production. Also yes it's ice cream. This is "Unicone : Cherry Cordial Flavor" or something like that. It's super trendy to mash animals with foodstuffs/sweets whether it looks good or not.
I'm not familiar with Storenvy's layout and how customisable it is but from the outside it looks like you both used the same template but there's obvious inspiration taken from the graphics. In saying that their graphics are pretty basic and the fonts look pretty nasty. Try not to worry too much over it as they're not even competition. The cat is very cute.
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Thank you! If he had just said "yeah sorry I am a big fan I didn't mean to offend you" and changed it I wouldn't be so upset. I'm actually a really understanding person.
Instead he acted like he was just as surprised as me about the similarities and told me a friend of his told him to change it to this and they might have seen my shop and got ideas from it.
I'm not seeing a problem here. It's obvious you're different stores and there's only so much you can do with storenvy. It sucks that she decided to put banners/buttons in the same place as you I guess but seriously how does this affect you at all? I'm sure it's possible she took inspiration from you but if she were truly copycatting she would have similar products, mascots, etc. It's just a layout.
That's the issue. The SE template is the same for everyone, but you have the option of how many items you can post on your main page. I only have 3 posted based on that. The "Most Popular" was added to the code. They link to storenvy, but the images themselves are being hosted somewhere else.
I will probably just change the graphics or maybe remove what's popular and replace it with something.
Thanks guys for helping me see I'm not tripping!
Also thank you!. I like collecting maneki nekos when I find them.
I knew someone wouldn't see the difference.
So I'm really suppose to wait around until it's too late and products are made? I know what you're saying, but this keeps happening. They actually did make a copy of one of my products, but theirs is text only,smaller and cheaper I ignored it because I can't own text and moved on and now this is happening. I just wanted opinions on what others would do in this situation to nip it in the bud before it gets to your point.
Layout copying is nothing new really, eventually they will figure it out and come out with their own shit and admit it, for new people its just inspiration and to others somewhat annoying, nothing can really do about it. And the chinese saying that imitation is sincerest form of flattery.
>So I'm really suppose to wait around until it's too late and products are made?
Yes. That's not what you want to hear, I know, but until this person legitimately copies something you have rights to you can't do squat. You can contact them but based on what you did before they probably won't respond to it positively or make any real changes. Just keep doing what you like. If they're copying you you're still the one with superior products so try not to let them bother you unless they actually steal something you can pin them for.
yours looks much nicer than theirs, regardless. but i will say that the baby pink clashes pretty hard with the peach on your gift card banner. i'd swap it out with more orange-y or even aqua.
My friend got a table at otakon and it'll be our first time doing cons in murrica.
How bs is their 50/50 rules? Are there any tricks around it?
Are there people who do "they seem like original prints but only fandom people will get it" kind of works?
We also have lots of small buttons and stickers and I'm wondering how anal the staffs are at checking them...
i haven't been to a con since last summer but has there been a decent surge of Rick and Morty in the AA? or if you make some does it sell well for you? im deciding between doing buttons or a print design
I don't know from personal experience, but a lot of people get excited when they find merch from western animation in an Artist Alley. It tends to stand out. Rick and Morty has a rabid fanbase too.
Where are you coming from anon?
it's going to be my fifth year at otakon and all I can say is don't fuck with the aa staff, seriously. They do take that rule seriously, It's not a con you want to risk getting banned from with becouse you do make good money. if you want to sell mostly fan art you should opt for the $1000 tables, that's what they're for.
Just try to pad out your table with as many originals as possible and make sure you label originals from Fan art as well as you can. Also fandom references count imho but if you're unsure you can always email the otakon staff, they respond fairly quickly!
Best of luck anon!
See things like this are why I can't see AANI as a decent place to discuss sources and products. While the craftsmanship looks fine, that thing is ugly as sin and half the users wouldn't care if it was well made or glued together in the dark.
Isn't this what most AA tablers do..?
Acrylic charms, buttons, stickers, prints.. Very few people make these themselves.
>And I have no idea why, because if you invest in high quality equipment to make your own, it's a shit-tonne cheaper long term.
I had a friend tell me that they usually table with someone who does mostly original art while they do mostly fanart. The rule is that the table is 50/50 but each artists didn't need to do 50/50 on their part.
But like >>8832011 said try to pad it out if you're tabling alone, you can do repeats (1-2) to help layout the 50/50 if I remember right.
I do plush, buttons, and watercolor prints, all by hand and all at home. Buying a button maker and pressing them yourself is one of the best ways to save money on production expenses. As long as your work isn't /complete/ garbage, a button maker will pay for itself several times over the first year you have it. As for plushies, most AA tablers make them themselves. As in designing the concept art, drafting the pattern, sewing, stitching, and stuffing the plush. The watercolor prints, well those are all on watercolor board/paper and one of a kind and I wouldn't compare them to prints. Very few people have affordable access to a good print shop and attendees want to all buy the same item ( same print ). The same thing can be applied to charms. Plush are a very different medium than charms, buttons, stickers and prints.
See, I personally think that's much different because while they didn't construct those items themselves by doing the art work they contributed to a very large percentage of the work in creating them. Whereas with manufactured plush all you need to do is draw an ugly sketch and someone else drafts a pattern, tests it, makes revisions, sews a billion individual pieces and viola you have a huge product with no effort. I don't think it's the same as paying someone to print your image on paper or between plastic, because you likely poured a lot of time into creating that artwork.
I have seen singe really nice manufactured plush with good designs though (I love those fruit dragons from Peach Seas and Jungle Sorbet has some cute stuff albeit her designs are kind of a Mooglegurl copycat), and I understand people like the anon from earlier in the thread who said she had shaky hands and couldn't sew. But overall I agree with >>8832151 in that i think anyone who does it should transition to vendor and doesn't belong in the artist alley. I think most people when they get to that level do opt for a vendor space.
I assume they mean chick. They probably buy plush which aren't genuine from other series to have a wider range. So they have things they've had manufactured and things they've bought to make profit off.
i think the main problem here is that (assuming these are being made for anime/comic cons, rather than for craft fairs or more normie stuff) is that she's hugely misinterpreted what's seen as 'cute'. The concept isn't bad (at least no worse than any of the other billion food x animal hybrids ) but there's just...a bunch of really poor design choices. Weird, strawberry short-cake esque eyes, the colour palette making it look more like a pig than a horse/unicorn, legs sticking awkwardly out from its body, weird proportions of cone to body... for lack of a better way to describe it, it kind of reminds me of when middle aged cartoonists try and draw in an anime style without having ever watched or seen an anime more recent than 1995.
I think a palomino type coloring (french vanilla!) would be a.) cuter, and b.) more identifiable as a horse. also i agree with >>8832173 , simple eyes really are best for this kind of thing..
Seconding this-- the flatter shape is just a lot nicer.
The round bulging belly with the pink, squinty eyes, big dark chunky marks that read as bad skin, red oozy hair, and the redder cheeks and mouth just look kinda grotesque... like it's a weird sloppy pig bursting or something.
Oh hone0y, she 'purchases' designs from unknowing teens on Deviant Art and straight up rips ideas from Japanese image boards.
I went with the Tecre 125 model for one and a quarter inch buttons. 1" seemed to small and 2" seemed too bulky and obtrusive. 1.25" was the standard size at the time for buttons in the artist alley as well. AA buttons have slowly gotten bigger over time, so if I were to purchase one today it would be a 1.5" or 1.75".
The size of the cone makes me think of the had on a garden gnome.
>Oh hone0y, she 'purchases' designs from unknowing teens on Deviant Art and straight up rips ideas from Japanese image boards
Mooglegurl or Sorbet Jungle? Either way I did not know that and now I'm morbidly curious.
They can be anal and arbitrary as fuck or they won't bat an eye. If it's your first otakon, they might not be super strict on you and might just pass over some smaller items. In past years, they've asked artists to either section off their table with an original side and fanart side or use color-coded stickers so they can quickly eyeball booths for the 50/50 ratio.
If you're new, I don't think they'll breath down your neck like they've done to some veteran artists. If they see something fishy, they'll ask you to take things down and if you comply, they'll back off. If for whatever reason you end up on their shitlist, though, they'll come back over and over and over and you'll be in for a pretty tedious con. That's pretty unlikely to happen though.
thanks! it's fairly generic kawaii though... and I don't have the cash to invest in mass production, haha.
yeah... I was kind of thinking about a scoop that had fallen on the ground you know? cause it's not like you'd display it cone down, haha.
HEH. I think it has to be large though, to communicate that the horse is meant to be a scoop of icecream.
Has anyone done proxy-selling before? I know a lot of anime cons expressly forbid it in the rules but a lot of comic book/western cons don't care as long as they get their money. In fact, I think using "agents" is kind of standard for the comic book industry so I've seen comic cons be more accepting of proxies.
If you've done it before, how did you go about doing it? I have a trusted friend willing to proxy for me. (I'll be compensating them and paying for their badge.) Do you need to give your proxy seller anything else other than an inventory sheet and a price list?
A very eye-opening facebook group where people insist their crap will sell because their parents always said they were talented.
It's got good info, but a lot of it is bad anatomy and a laughable idea of what 'good quality and craftsmanship' means. The cherry pig cream abomination is a good example of what you can find.
Do people really prefer clear acrylic charms over black/white/colored charms?
I normally do black acrylic, but I was thinking of upgrading to larger and clear acrylic charms. The price jump is a little hard to swallow, especially since I'm considering a bunch of new designs I'm not 100% sure will sell.
As is they sell out but I want to improve my game.
I think clear acrylic flatters a lot of designs and styles, as well as having a bit of the 'ooh shiny' factor going for it. I personally only really like opaque color acrylic if the art style is crisp/bold and the border of acrylic is not large... but to each their own.
so the eyes were also not like this before but they actively "corrected" them to be agehao...
Sort of a random question but does anyone know what happened to cartoongirl7/myrollingstar?
She and her friend group used to be at every major con but now I don't see any of them around and it seems like she's stopped drawing.
Thanks. Interesting that they're scaling up. I haven't bought pins at a con in a few years, I'll need to see if on average they are growing... I def have a bunch at the 1.25 size that I've bought over the years.
From her social media, it seems like she's gotten a job and all that.
and I don't think she drew that much to begin with. just dabbing a little here and there. probably just grew out of it
Is doing a lot of cons doable when you have a full-time job? Feels like I only see professional artists or college kids at aa. I'm running out of excuses to miss work and I definitely don't want to say I have to attend aa. Anybody else work full time?
Omg anon stop. She is 100% original and all those other artists are just trying to ride her success and steal her ideas.
I used to work pretty long hours and I would just say I was going to art shows/craft fairs. Sometimes if they wanted extra information I would say it was a comic book show like "A comic con" since my manager was sort of familiar with that, but I was not about to try explaining anime cons to him.
I stick to doing three or four big cons a year, since I only need to take a day off for each and that's built into floating holidays/vacation anyway. Some places also let you make up the hours throughout the week or otherwise which is another option.
No one gives a shit if I'm telling them that I'm off selling shit, but I think that's because everyone freelances to some degree in games/entertainment.
Probably depends on the job/managers. I've worked an office job and a supervisor retail job and both times my managers were cool with it? The office job I just used a couple vacation days as well as staying really late to make up the hours I would miss. The retail job I just told my boss I have a crafting side business, and had an event coming up. I guess it also helps that I never call out sick/request off often.
If you have good managers and they know you're good at your job most of the time they'll work with you.
I used to work in an office full time and did all my cons. It helps that cons are on the weekends and I had a 5-day work week. It probably is a lot harder to schedule if you're working full time retail.
That's really cool! People have told me I will get busted sooner or later if hr decides to look into my credit report, but I'm trying to keep making money at aa a secret. I really should stick to three cons a year, but I have no online store so it feels like I'm missing out on the sales if I don't table.
All the office jobs I've had so far weren't so forgiving on having a personal side business. I've managed to keep it a secret so far and hopefully I can continue doing that. Most cons I go to start on Thursday, so constantly missing two days in a row is getting difficult for me.
The Nomwhal was purchased from a girl on DA. I also had no idea about her ripping from Japanese image boards.
I work full time and my job knows I go to conventions to sell stuff. I have a lot of personal/sick and vacation time and I don't use any of it because I don't do family vacations or call out sick for small stuff like a headache/stomachache etc so I use those paid hours to do con stuff.
>"cherry cordial" is female and has girl eyes"
>nose higher, more horse
That pig makes me so mad. This is a cute pig. That is an abomination.
The person who designed it has to be a furry. Only furry artists make weird shit that ugly.
Man, does it make anyone else sad when artists you follow end up being in it as a hobby, meaning they will inevitably just stop updating one day to focus on their actual life goals?
I think it depends. There's also some things to be taken into consideration, like making sure the colours of the art go with the acrylic background and don't blend in too much, while clear backgrounds obviously match everything. There are really good pieces in both styles, and people have their personal preferences. If you're not sure they'll sell just do a few of your best sellers on clear and the new ones on black and see how that goes.
I'm UK based too, and I honestly never thought about this. The HM Revebue site is pretty shit, but from what I can work out, you might be able to. You'll have to contact them though.
For those of you who share tables, is there anything you do to clearly separate yourself as a distinct entity from your partner? Or do you just gently correct customers when they assume you guys are splitting profits.
For example, if you have certain deals your table partner isn't offering (buy one get one, bundle deals, etc, etc) and a customer thinks that they can mix and match from your stock and your partner's stock - do you just eat the costs and split the profit or do you explain that you're two separate artists. Would making a sign that says "two artists at this table" deter mishaps like that?
People are always going to mix things up in the same way there will always be that one person who asks how much the item costs when the price tag is blasted in neon on every square inch of the table. Still, having a sign or having two banners or using two different tablecloths might help distinguish between two artists.
I used to be a full time teacher. There was NO WAY that I had time for Artist Alley. Even with the summer off, totally lacked the time to get enough art done.
Just quit my job to live the (impoverished) dream.
I shared a table with a friend once and we didn't have any problems doing our own thing until I was at a con without her and people were asking for an item she carried.
I like the sign about the two different artist because most people will think one of you is the helper. You will still have to remind people that you can check them out separately if they want items from both.
You were a teacher. You were already impoverished. Now you can at least be happy.
I think you're overthinking it. You just take two seconds to let the customer know that's someone else's stock. Don't be a sperg and lose money (or make your partner lose money) by not speaking up obviously.
What? Your credit report has nothing to do with how much you make, how much tax you're paying for what, etc. And I'm not sure why HR would look into your tax records. It's not illegal or even against the rules of most workplaces to do something like sell small crafts on the side.
I'm a full-time teacher, but I stick to small/local cons during the school year. I'll plan for larger/out of state cons only if they coincide with any of my breaks, which of course means I can do more in the summer. Fortunately, I live in an area with a shit ton of cons all the time, so it's been pretty easy for me to do both.
Is right, though, I ain't drawn shit in the last couple of years. Nothing I can say I'm super duper proud of anyway. I've been coasting on older merch for like two years.
Usually it's fine if you have two distinct styles/wares. If you don't want to be mixed up, you can set up an overhead display so it has an arm in the middle that splits your two sections into two separate "tables" that way people for sure won't mix the two of you up.
I've only ever split costs (esp. with the buy two get one free deal) when I tabled with a partner, just because it guarantees more sales overall, and for the most part, both of you benefit. I would just try to plan out deals that can be split evenly between the two of you because I think the variety can be attractive to a lot of buyers.
Haha, yeah but I was impoverished with a wage that actually paid my mortgage and bills each month before. I actually ordered a Glowforge a few months back and am considering cancelling the order now just because 2.5k back in my account would be a big deal right now.
Hey, fellow teacher! What do you teach? I did 8 years teaching high school and college English. Grading essays is so damn time consuming... and I spent 4 of those years also in graduate school. It's amazing to finally sketch again, and not feel drained 24/7.
Also high school English! Heyyy~
Yeah, the essays are soul-crushing. I'm also thinking about grad school, but I don't know if I'd be able to juggle FT teaching AND taking my own classes at the same time. You're a beast for being able to pull that off.
Too low a resolution will make your print look blurry/fuzzy. Too high a resolution will make your print file heavy. 300dpi is pretty standard. I faintly remember 500dpi being mentioned for doujin printing, but not sure. I just go with whatever my printing place asks of me.
Oh, forgot to mention: ppi vs dpi. The computer will have a setting for ppi most of the time so you need to be careful and set your file to the correct proportions. If you have a certain file at 300ppi but then you decided to enlarge it, the dpi will go down. I find it better to start out at a higher ppi if I'm unsure about the print size I want to go with since it's easier to have your dpi go up vs go down.
Not sure why HR would suddenly look into anon's tax records, but I've heard that all your business info shows up when an employee does a background check on you. And I've heard that some companies with a strict policy on "no employment or business activity outside of work" will make you shut down your online store, etc. Not sure how much of it is true though.
It was rough... I got my Masters in English, which is way more work than a Masters in Education, but at least it's fulfilling. There were always a few teachers in night classes, grading homework while in class. It would have been less overwhelming, but I did a graduate thesis and an extra five classes to earn a certification. And then I burnt out from lack of free time, student disinterest, and bullshit educational bureacracy that has run amuck in my state. But yeah, it's doable, just hope you don't have a massive sponsorship obligation where you teach. That part made the situation way worse during grad school.
Could someone please give me some concrit on this? I haven't drawn properly in years but want to start making charms, so I want to make sure I'm on the right track... the only thing I'm certain of is that I should make the eyes rounder, but I'm completely lost on shading. Any advice is greatly appreciated!
Cute! His right arm is wonky due to the folds versus the angle his wrist is coming at. The perspective seems a bit off for the legs too; currently, they don't seem to unfold to the same length... Also, I find it a little awkward to change the direction of text halfway through. Either make it all horizontal or all vertical imo.
Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't really notice! And yeah, I need to work out a way to write the words in a way that can also be read easily... but yeah, much appreciated!
Also just realised I forgot to say >>8834395 is a rough draft (I think it's quite obvious but I just feel like I have to state that...)
Honestly you shouldn't be making charms if you're not at a comfortable place yet with your art. I find it crazy that people are wanting to make profit when they're just starting off or don't understand what they're doing. Not saying you're in that exact situation but you like you said you haven't drawn for years so I think you should focus on stuff like anatomy, colouring and lineart first to get in the swing of things.
Most of your lines seem to be about 1px which makes the piece look flat so thickening and thinning lines can really help with that. It can help create depth but it also makes things more interesting to look at. His head is also quite disconnected from his body so remember to align them to the neck. There's a lot of cheek going to the left compared to the right which creates imbalance.
I made an edit which was more aesthetically pleasing to me, doesn't mean you should desert the big hands look. Edited lines a bit, perspective on the body and made the colours warmer. Just try to find a style that you think is unique or just something that you're really happy with. It's a good start but jumping into things too quickly can get a bit messy.
Honestly I thought I was pretty ok, but I guess not haha. Just goes to show how much I still have to learn! Your advice and edit is super helpful too, thank you so much for taking the time to do this.
how does everyone package/sell their larger than a4 prints? Most of the time I just hand it to the customer, or I'll roll it if they ask for it. I dislike rolling because I usually print on thicker paper stock that doesn't roll well, and rubber bands can cause creases. I've tried looking for affordable, bulk tubes but have been pretty much out of luck.
I remember there was something I heard about HR looking into a "potential" hiring of an employees credit report. I forgot the article but you can probably find some reference about it.
I thought it was something to the effect if it will reflect on the employee's background possibly a "honesty" issue in dealing with high-priced retail merchandise, but idk something like that.
yeah I'm in that situation too, management "say they don't mind" but seriously they know what can they do? lol, for example, our graphic/web artist does websites on the side - who can tell if she's being paid during hours working on someone else's website, I've seen it - she's getting away with it, but karma's a bitch as the company is slowly failing because of high salaries to employees not doing actual work for the bottom line.
ouch glowforge - still pricey I think for a fancy die-cutter/engraver unless of course you had a plan to utilize it for alot of stuff, I'm on the fence wanting to do those things, but since I only need some here and there I'll keep outsourcing till I have an increase demand and the machine price drops.
I want to improve my artwork for artist alley prints by studying anatomy and doing life drawings and improving my composition, can anyone give me some advice on where to start?
I would ask /ic/ but I want tips that would help me specifically for artist alley prints.
Thank you in advance.
i....you list where to start in your own post? do life drawings/studies and study compositions....look at what successful artists are doing and study them (and I mean study, not just ripping off their compositions and designs). Don't just settle on one sketch because it turned out okay. Do lots of thumbnails to work out what composition and style is most visually appealing. That's really all there is to it... the more you do it, the better you'll get, as with all things.
If you want to start learning figure drawing - start hitting up the local figure drawing sessions if you have in your area. Check local colleges/universities/art museums/ ask around and try to get in twice a week. Life drawing is hard, you will have to change your mindset because it's a timed session usually, don't get discouraged if you only have a few drawings cuz that's where it starts.
Are ACEO still popular? Would it be best to offer strictly the originals or make copies of the originals and sell the copies at a cheaper price? I haven't attempted to sell them in years and honestly I don't recall seeing many anymore.
Isn't the whole point of ACEO that they're originals? Making them prints feels like it kind of kills the concept to me. And yes, they're still popular, but that depends on your skill and the subject.
Not sure how tips for studying anatomy and composition can be specific for artist alley. Just browse /ic/ and read all their starting things, you're not going to be welcomed if you're asking for help with prints but you don't have your anatomy down. Also just Google whatever questions you have and find tutorials for what you need.
Thanks anon. Yeah that's my feeling on it too but the past few conventions I've attended I've seen people selling laminated copies of them so I wasn't sure it that was a common thing or not. I think I'll stick with just the ooak approach.
Do those of you who browse AANI ever wish you could give people advice without having to sugar coat it? I think sometimes artists need to hear that something is not a good idea, even if you have nothing else positive to say to pad the blow. Pic related. How do you say "the fuck is this shit why would you do this" in a more polite and constructive way when there's literally nothing good you can mention about it. I honestly just want to help so they don't waste their time and they learn how to get better. I wish the community was more about real support than it was about patting each other on the back.
Might be cheaper to look for tube bags. You can just roll up the print and slide them in. Most I've seen are about 4" diameter so you don't have to roll up your prints super tightly.
Anyone know if people are doing group orders for those printed knitted scarfs? I know many don't like sharing sources, and I don't blame them, but wondering if anyone would want to start one? or maybe talk about the process of drawing the scarf, and working with companies? It is like Arts*C? or like plush makers?
we don't know what skill level you're starting from. like, do you want book recs or something?
How well do little hair bows and zipper bags do at cons?
I was thinking about custom printing some fabric and making a few, but I'm not sure how well they'd go?
Thinking about making a few larger shoulder bags too.
I often want to red line and scream at the same time. What the fuck.
There are a few gems in all this muck
I'm starting to realize if you try to be helpful and show people another way of doing something people will band together and tell you how wrong you are. You'd think an art group would be able to act like adults and take peer criticism and advice.
This year I may table at Anime North with a friend if I manage to get a table, but I'm kinda nervous. It's gonna be our first time, and on top of that, I don't keep up with recent anime and games, AND she's better than me. I'm wondering if I should go full sellout for those bucks since if I only drew what I liked I'm sure I wouldn't make much. I think it'd be good to make more money off commissions since I'm a fast artist, but I'm also a little confused on how to price traditional drawings. How much would something like this be worth? [spoiler]Also, is Hetalia in right now? I recently got back into it and if possible, I'd like to sell things I like.[/spoiler]
oh, that's cute
$20 a character
and no hetalia isn't in, but like every fandom there are always some fans. not being up to date with anime is not an excuse. just google new popular animes and you will see a pretty good list.
good luck getting a table.
Hetalia has died down considerably but there are still fans. Big things right now are Love Live, Neko Atsume (a phone app), One Punch Man, Madoka Magica is still holding on, Steven Universe is ridiculous but not anime, and of course you can always count on good old Sailor Moon and anything Ghibli to get attention. Of course the fan art will be your main staple but you know, you should still draw what you like of course and have a mix of original in there too.
I like your style and hetalia is pretty nostalgic for me so if this was sold as a sticker I'd buy it in a heart beat.
At my cons the good artists have unisteresting stuff, and the crappy ones have things i'd buy if their skills were better.
I'd say have a good mix of popular (50%-70%), plus what you like, plus original (if you have original).
Yeah, that sounds like a good price for a half body, I think I'll go with that. That really is a shame, but I guess it's my fault for usually checking out things over 3 years old haha.
I guess it's pretty dead then, but you're yeah, there are probably enough fans for me to sell a few buttons or stickers, I'll consider that! Thankfully I've seen both OPM and Madoka and like them both, so that should be ok. Thanks for the quick rundown, I greatly appreciate it! Gotta do my research on them now haha.
Oh, thank you anon! It's always nice to know that people like my style. Hmm, that gives me a bit of hope, maybe I'll make a few small hetalia things to sell in case it hits any nostalgia points. That sounds like a good ratio, I'll go with that. I'm really looking forward to it now!
I sold out of my Hetalia print when I tabled at Otakuthon, so there is still some desire for it on the East Coast (granted I didn't print a lot of it in the first place, but in general, it still managed to hold its ground). I wouldn't say it's 'in', since it has passed its prime, but it's still has a fanbase.
I am crying right now laughing so hard. It looks like shit is just flowing out of this things ass now.
It's just not a good concept. The horse-pig is too large to make it look like a scoop of ice cream, it just looks like a rubber ball with a waffle hat.
they're so fucking ugly. Like. The design is bad (why is the face so anatomical/detailed when the body is literally a sack??) and the colors are just. poor and do not remind me of icecream at all.
why does there need to be masculine and feminine ones. why
CA seller's permits are super easy to get. Pretty much processed within the same business day. Just go through the Board of Equalization Website.
Sales are definitely worth it for me. I do have a couple of friends who don't do as well at AX because there is just SO much competition that it's easy to get lost in the crowds. I think I generally make anything from between $3500~$5000 at AX.
As long as you don't include the convention's email on the application. You will clog up their inbox and make it harder for other people to get their legitimate emails looked at in a reasonable time frame.
Only need to bring a copy of the approved permit to con with you, it's that easy. Print multiple copies in case you lose one
I love your style, and hetalia isn't in but I'm sure you'll still get buyers. Hell, I'm still a hetaweeb at heart and I snatch up anything I can find with the Nordics even though I'm not really 'into' it anymore. Hetalia was big enough that there's plenty of people who would shell out cash for it, kinda like how naruto's dead but there's still always people cosplaying/into it.
Yeah, I think I'll do that. Drawing only things that are popular would probably wear on me eventually.
Thank you, I'm really happy to hear that! Hmm, that's very true. Although it might not be the most popular, I'm sure I could at least manage a few sales so I'll just print a little less. Thanks for the advice!
Hey guys. I just started trying to make my own repeating patterns, and so far it's going okay, but this one doesn't seem to line up?
I made it by centering the Snoop boy in the document, and then adding the vault symbol in the middle as well, then offsetting. I set my file size to 800x800 so I offset it 400x400 and it doesn't line up for some reason.
Also, sorry for weird as shit pattern. Actually making it for a buddy for his birthday.
No one is really commenting anything about the design, they're all mostly talking about experiences working with manufacturers and telling her not to get discouraged about all the revisions she needs because the process takes a long time. Nothing interesting enough to cap.
It seems she might know about the thread, almost sounds like she was going to give up her shitty design to the other person who drew the cute "unicone". I hope some others choose to do ice cream unicorns. It's hardly original.
also. I still can't get over that the mint one looks like it's shitting.
I don't think the girl has anyone giving her serious critique. This is just another one of those instances where people create godawful shit because everyone around her is telling her it looks fine.
*same anon you replied to.
I feel AANI isn't the best place for critique, if you give someone honest critique listing the pros and cons, you can be seen as starting drama. It also seems she's not 100% open to critique on her art, more of asking others for help with working with the plush company.ugh.
I really feel the mint one's face was pretty cute before her edits.
I don't, actually.
I didn't even think that anyone would want this haha. I'll definitely look in to making them into stickers or something.
Here's the square.
I'm not sure how to adjust it, to be honest. I kinda of just followed a basic tutorial on how to use the offset filter in photoshop to make a repeating pattern. So I have absolutely no idea why it's not lining up.
Aw the design is shitty but I don't really understand why some people think it's arrogant to put signatures on everything (i'm not saying that you're saying this! No offense, hopefully). No matter how bad something is, I think it's best to put signatures or small watermarks on everything. Am I being weird?
Whats weird is that it was working perfectly fine yesterday when I made pic related. I'm so confused. I've aligned layers, cropped the canvas to make sure there are no hidden pixels on the edges, etc.
But no matter how I adjust it now, it won't line up correctly.
i just did this for my twitter's background so i'm just repeating wht i did. idk what steps you did but you didn't say you offset before you put the vault symbol so something there was probably wrong
Thank you so much for your help!
I actually just figured out that it was because I was adjusting the sizes of the vault symbol and pip boy before offsetting them which for some reason won't work? but when I adjust the sizes in their respective files, then copy/paste them over, it works perfectly.
I really appreciate the help though!!
if they were on seperate layers and you didn't offset every layer every time you used offset one of them probably got mis aligned because offset only affects one single layer, there was probably a mistake some where while you were messing with the sizes.
I think it's more about the mentality of the people who do this shit. If you want to prevent your art being stolen, you add a watermark and hope they don't know how to shoop it out. The people who keep sticking their watermarks all over their terrible work tend to be the ones who have 'Original character do not steal' plastered all over their work, too. They're the ones who can't take concrit and who get butthurt about mangakas stealing their ideas for a manga that came out years before they were old enough to pick up a pencil.
Therefore, watermarks have become associated with special snowflake weeaboos. When someone watermarks something as ugly as unicone, they are more likely to be delusional lolcows in the making than artists who have just started drawing and legitimately want to improve.
AniMinneapolis just sent out an email stating that dealer/artist are available. Would the con be worth flying to from the other side of the country? I can't find any attendance numbers online.
Some possibly dumb questions.
If trying to move into selling at cons regularly, would it be a smarter move to try at smaller local conventions, or save up for a well-known large convention, even if it's on the opposite side of the US?
Also, are there any big negatives besides shipping times when outsourcing charms vs. ordering something local?
A mix of both really. Doing small local cons is a great way to earn money for larger ones. Might not bring as much money but if you're good you can usually afford to purchase flight/transportation, table and hotel to a larger con.
For my first con, I'll be mainly selling buttons. I'm going to bring about 400 buttons along with small prints. Should I get these made from cheapestbuttons or would it be better to get a button press? I'm worried that I won't sell much and justify getting a button press. Would it be smarter to order buttons for now and use the money earned from the con to get a button press?