Do you think skirts are falling out of favor in lolita fashion? Lately been seeing brand releases sans skirts.
Skirts just aren't as versitile as Jsks. I know I only have one skirt in a wardrobe of over twenty pieces because I find them hard to work with and prefer the look of Jsks.
It's also worth noting that while Brands have begun offering Ops and Jsks with more plus size friendly measurements skirts throughout all major brands don't go much beyond a 61-70cm waist measurement that many skinny western lolitas would have trouble fitting properly.
Skirts have never really been popular, and there are a few good reasons.
It is far easier to fit into jsk and ops. Max for skirts are the smallest out of the 3 for releases. Most people in the fashion likely cannot fit into a lot of skirts or dont look good in them. The max being so small also makes it so that you have to keep being that skinny to fit into, where as you have a range for a dress before you get too fat for brand.
>blouses are dumb
A lot of blouses are made for jsks, in the sense that they are cut short, are not fitted a lot of the times, and dont have a lot of details as it would be hidden under a jsk. For skirts you either need a fitted top that gives a good shape, or you are doing that a bit baggy look which does not flatter everyone as that can make you look bigger than you are. Fitted blouses exist but arent as common, I started buying vests to make it easier.
> more effort to coord
Just like how an op is easier than a jsk because it doesnt need a blouse, jsks are easier than skirts because there is already detail on the upper half. Good skirt coords require the person to put more effort into the top half to balance out.
I love skirt coords. They are so cute when done well. Also they are cheaper than jsks, and some prints are better as skirts than full dresses. I would love to have a 50% skirt wardrobe but sadly my bust is over 100cm which means there are hardly any good blouses that look good on me...
My theory is that they are unpopular because they look much more casual than jsk/op coords, and can't compete, or look too casual/out of place at meetups.
I have a certain love for apron skirts. They are super versatile and I have several. However I think jumperskirts are miles more popular because they are typically more free-size than skirts and look more formally "lolita".
Skirts are awesome though, they're so comfy and great for warm weather. I hope they make a comeback.
I love skirts to death and am glad they aren't as popular in general so I can get my hands on them more easily. I didn't realize they typically run smaller than JSKs, though. I'm tall and not particularly thin and fit them fine. Never realized there were so many fatties in the fashion.
Personally I find skirts more versatile to wear casually myself. A lot of normalfag fashion has fairly ornate skirts compared to more subdued dresses, so it's easier to wear a colorful skirt out casually than a colorful skirt+colorful bodice.
I'm short and lack waist definition despite being slim, so skirts look horrible on me. I love them in coords and am jealous of the people who can wear them, though.
A lot of Meta's skirts have full shirring that stretch up to 105 cms or so. I had a BTSSB skirt that stretched up to 90 cms. There are skirts that can fit fatties, they're just more rare in general.
Anyways let's make this a skirt thread because why not
Personally I think this is a great way of dressing skirts down for winter.
Maybe I'm just ridiculously partial to knits.
I love skirts because they tend to be cheaper than OPs and JSKs and they're also good when worn outside of lolita styles so I get more wear out of them for my money. I agree they're not popular, but the fact that they're not popular means they go down in price easily and that works in my favor.
I've recently fallen in love with skirts. I find them easier (and a tad less stuffier) to throw on--particularly for class.
JSKs are actually my least favorite of the three, though I still like them regardless. I've always preferred OPs over everything, but now I find that skirts are becoming a large part of my lolita wardrobe.
This. It's a lot easier to wear lolita to work at the office with a skirt+blouse combo than with a JSK or OP. (Depends on the workplace, of course.) If there is any truth to skirts falling "out of favor" in lolita fashion, I won't complain as long as brands keep making them. The lower demand will just make it easier for me to purchase them.
I'm not really sure if this is a skirt or a jsk
Thank you anon! The blouse really is stunning. I've never seen anything like it before, it looks so elegant and delicate, almost as though it was designed for a doll.
>sage for sap and ot
I have 10 skirts, including 2 bodyline ones, and I have to say I hardly wear them. I love the simple design of skirts and the fact I don't have to worry about the bust being too small. But then I never buy blouses because they are too small and just constantly wear cutsews.
Might be worth the time and money for the two of you to get your blouses custom made. You don't even need a lolita seamstress, any local tailor in your area should be able to tailor make a blouse that fits you. If you're worried about the design/material, take in a photo of a blouse that you like and have the tailor replicate that, and buy the lace, fabric and trim yourself form taobao or wherever.
After that you can freely wear any of the skirts with your blouse. Seems worth it to be able to get some decent use out of your skirts, and not have to trawl through online shops/secondhand shops trying to guess which blouses will fit you.
Skirts just dont suit me as well but they do look really cute when coorded correctly. Picture related my absolute favorite skirt coord ever
>probably a little biased since wonder cookie is my favorite print
>70cm + isn't skinny, it's chubby. A 80+ waist is already really unhealthy
>because everyone everywhere has exactly the same height and body type as me, no exceptions whatsoever
Oh, kiddo, I'm so sorry, but I have news for you...
For the average person it is. If you're talking like that you can't make any statements about persons ever.
>>8815739 or maybe you aren't 'skinny' but rather normal, skinny is a good chunk less than a normal person. Also, chubby =/= fat. I've been told by many doctors that an 80+ waist on an average person (not super tall or super fit) increases many risk factors for fat-related diseases. It doesn't mean you're a landwhale and should feel about about yourself and it doesn't mean AP shouldn't do bigger skirts. But just because you're not chubby or fat you're not skinny either, you're just normal.
So while there are so many cute skirt coords out there, I notice a trend, in most coords I see online as well as my own tendencies, towards more daily-wear casual skirt coords. Obviously there are a couple exceptions here but it makes me wonder, can OTT brand tea party worthy coords even be based around skirts?
I feel like pic related is maybe approaching it if she had a nice parasol or bag or something, but it just always feels like skirt coords fall slightly short of what can be accomplished with a jsk/op...
No, you just suck at understanding how big these measurements are. The difference between size s to xl is not going to be 10cm. Maybe 10 inches though.What a size 's' and 'm' havent been standarized, so it isnt an american only thing but a fashion thing. Plus your bad math skills. I can easily see someone who has a 70cm waist be a s/m because of it. I would though say 62 cm fits in the xs/s range though.
In lolita, there are not these different sizes for most things but shirring which helps a bit with size range. Skirts get shafted as you get stuff like MMM with dont do shirring on their skirts or the partial shirring isnt forgiving. Full shirred stuff looks bad and you need to have a blouse that hides it.
You're exaggerating a little or from a nation where people are generally smaller in height.
Also waists are a fickle measurement of weight. Some people just aren't build with a big waist ratio regardless of weight. This is coming from someone who has to buy S for the waist but L for the shoulders and arms.
Is it just me or has the number of regular waistband skirts released (not high waisted, not low waisted, and not fully shirred) dropped significantly? That's one of the big problems I'm finding with buying skirts. I unfortunately look terrible in both high and low waists, and finding ways to wear fully shirred skirts and hide the ugly waistband is tough.
I also echo the sizing issues, but that might be just that my favorite brand is IW and their skirts are notorious for having absurdly restrictive elastic in the waistbands so they rarely fit comfortably over ~63 cm.
Does anyone else think this look weird? I used to own this exact skirt, but it looked kinda like this on me. Maybe I'm just not used to high waisted skirts. I can't even describe why it looks weird and how I should avoid this in the future. Sorry for the vagueness.
This is the blouse:
I forgot to mention it was fitted. With all of that detailing it seems weird to wear it under a jsk to me.
Wear a pretty camisole, especially something nude that won't show? Or depending on how sheer it is, wear a matching long-sleeved top of the blouse is long sleeved and has a high or Peter pan collar. I do this a lot so I can wear blouses with skirts - it works well if the item in question has slightly thicker, less sheer collar and cuffs due to the extra fabric used to stiffen them, that will then hide the line where your undershirt ends.
It doesn't seem to be a study purely on obesity, skimming through it, it just seems to say "if you're normal weight and still carry a lot of your fat around your waist, you're at risk of heart disease". That's all fine and dandy, but there are fit women, and women who are generally broad that have a 30" waist.
Anon, I know this is hard for you to hear, but you CAN have a large waist measurement without being fat. The article you linked talks purely about people who store fat in their stomachs with a low waist-to-hip ratio (Women: > 0.85, Men: > 0.9), and clearly state that if you store weight in your hips and thighs that you are not at the same risk.
i love skirts for their versatility- you can dress them up or down! but my biggest issue with them is how uncomfortable they can get after long periods of wear if you're sitting. I'm probably fat or something, but most of my skirts are not comfy after 8+ hours of sitting (due to class/work). based meta is my only savior, their shirring is amazing.
i think skirts can work in an OTT outfit, but like another anon mentioned- it's usually a bit more challenging to balance the top well.
That's funny because I was just planning one. I've just seen a movie set at the Victorian era and this girl was wearing a skirt with an untucked blouse and, on top of the blouse, a waist belt. It looked lovely but I've never seen a coord like that, though I think is fine as long as you don't cover up important detail of the skirt ad the blouse has a nice end.
AP's skirt always look like they would look so flattery but I rarely see them in coords, I love how they're like low waist. Anyone has coords of them (doesn't matter which just that they're like this cut)?
Seconding this. I just bought my first one, not sure how it will work out since I'm tall but idgaf they're cute.
If skirts are out of favor I hope they stay that way so I can keep scooping them up for cheap!
I also have 10 skirts, 6 of them Bodyline. I have few blouses, most of them offbrand, but am picky about them with my skirts AND jsks in mind before buying. Desperate to get my hands on a particular Dear Celine vest to extend the wear of my skirts as they do wonders. (So do nice boleros) Making do with a full length corset right now but it can look awkward over a blouse and under a skirt.
I had a 50 cm waist when I was bulimic/alternating between starving and purging, but I wasn't even underweight! All my ribs were showing, my periods stopped and I was showing signs of psychosis, but my BMI was 18.9 and considered 'normal'. Now I eat normally and cardio binge (up to 8 hours at a time a week, max 24 hours solid in a week) yet my BMI is 27 and waist is between 59 and 63 cm depending on my IBS. I have a very short torso, some skirt waists go over my tits or my ribcage actually takes up all the space, but most of my 'normal' waist skirts are fully shirred which is convenient, but often looks a bit scruffy...
I had a 28 inch waist when I was about 16x lbs. And a size 12-14 American. The average waist for women was like 25-26 until the 80s. Sorry, you'really fat-not obese, just fat. The world getting fatter is deluding the relative comparison of what normal should look like
The legal cutoff size for Asian men is ~30 inches, if you exceed that they fine you/put you on a exercise program. You can't keep 2+ inches below what an entire country expects its men to keep their waists? You part of the haes movement?
>I'm not even fat
Coming from someone who was fat until about 19 years old, one should be ashamed. It takes a toll on the public health system, a majority of patients are coming in for fatty related issues - and lord knows they're not paying all their own bills. That's medical professionals being worn out, wasting time money and resources on something 100% in your own control. It is my business, we are a society of social creatures by nature, and when a majority decides to de-evolve, it brings the rest of us down.
>not wanting to transform, evolve, grow, mature into a better, healtheir, more efficient, and aesthetic person
why do you even want to live?
If you're "underweight" and have a 72 cm waist, you likely have an unhealthy high body fat%. Your weight isn't as accurate as your actual body measurements/Bf for health. You're probably like 30+% Bf with zero muscle (aka look awful naked) . This just means you don't move enough to build any decent muscle on you. Your body type is just fat, literally >>8816198
Science can change over time tho. To act like this subject is set in stone because of scientific fact, well. Shows how much you know.
Not saying you're wrong. But don't act like there's only one correct way.
Lately when I've purchasing new things, my mind has been on skirts. I really love that people are selling skirt versions of prints for so cheap. Especially some prints that are way more expensive as a op or jsk, but cheap as a skirt. Plus, it's fun to test how creative i can get when trying to coord it. I currently have six skirts, i think. I want more. :)
No. I wasn't trying to brag at all. That wasn't my intention. I was just simply commenting my thoughts about what we are discussing. There's no reason to get all huffy and puffy. If you don't like what I say, then just scroll on. ._.
It's your namefagging that's annoying people, not really the comment itself (though emoticons aren't liked either, this is an image board so just post a picture that expresses whatever the emoticon would).
Anon are you really short or something? Because 28" in US sizing is a size 8/10. I'm not arguing with you that fat is getting more normal now, but I'm having a really hard time picturing someone with a 28" waist being 160 and a size 14. Hell, I'm 5'11", weigh 189, and am wearing all size 14 right now.