Can we get some inspiration for super casual lolita coords - ones that would make normies think you're simply dressed kind of quirky, but not quirky enough that they would feel the need to ask you if you were wearing a costume? Some that normies might even - dare I say - like? Outfits that aren't actually lolita but use lolita main pieces are okay too, anything so long as it's a way to wear your lolita without standing out a whole lot!
But a lot of it is tacky and not everyone wants that, it's nice to wear something a little off the cuff to work without being a blinding beacon of attention.
I'm scaling back a lot, things never fit me properly cause I'm not short and asian. I'm tailoring my baby doll jsks into skirts to get more wear out of them. When I took it in the lady said, "this looks like something a baby would wear." Yep.
I generally go for the original vintage pieces and pretty much buy everything second hand locally or on etsy. Stuff that doesn't fit just right I get tailored, it makes such a big difference. I don't have many lolita pieces to begin with, maybe 15, but I don't see myself going much further because nothing ever fits properly, the bodices are always too small, or its so fancy that it just sits in the closet taking up space, nice to look at but kind of a waste?
OP here - the reason I made this thread is because I love lolita fashion, but I'm moving to a new place soon and I don't want to wear something that could make me feel like even more of an outsider, or make it any harder to meet people. I still want to wear all my cute lolita clothes, I just want to seem more approachable and "normal" so that I can make friends more easily than if I wore real lolita.
I think that sounds lovely!
I'd take a look at fannie rosies blog for some inspo to make lolita work in a more mature way. Even though she uses a lot of lolita pieces in her coords, her style is very polished and I'm sure even normies would appreciate it.
OK, casual lolita with the maximum possibility of getting "normie approved".
Many lolita prints will look tacky and overdone to the regular person who's used to seeing minimalism within individual pieces of clothing (yet also maximalism in accessories and embellishments). So:
Stick to solids, or generic patterns (stripes, polka dots, some florals).
Avoid JSKs and OPs, and instead pair skirts with a nice long-sleeve shirt, t-shirt, or cutsew. (Remember when we used to make cutsews from t-shirts?)
Add boleros, cardigans, shawls, scarves, blazers, and other pieces of "normal" clothing for layers.
You probably won't need jewelry. If you must, try to wear just one piece. Some pieces of Givenchy costume jewelry have simple, timeless designs and can be purchased cheaply on ebay.
For legwear, solid opaque tights are safest. Lolita brand OTK socks will look odd to Westerners in both length and design (especially lace-up patterns, which will remind some of BDSM). If opaque is boring, select textures like crochet knits, or subtle patterns that are trendy (dip-dyed ombre clothing, including tights, were a fad some years ago).
Shoes: You want everyday designs that fit the aesthetic. No teaparties. Mary Janes, low heels, and flats from brands like Clarks and Hush Puppies will have both comfort and quality. If you want go up to a medium-to-high heel, try to keep the toe box round. Brands like Fluevog and Westwood occasionally produce cute, round-toe heels that at first glance look generic enough for a lawyer's office, but some tiny detail in their design makes them intriguing.
Finally: don't skip the petticoat, makeup, or hair. Just because it's called casual lolita doesn't mean it's lazy. If you own only one petticoat and it's a giant cupcake that cannot be tamed, get a thinner one (you can get the $20 Leg Avenue tulle one and pin the outer layer as needed). Wear a headband, or a single tiny bow in your hair. Do natural-looking makeup so that your skin looks healthy.
No. Otome is its own fashion, and while it doesn't necessarily have the costume-y feel that some OTT lolita looks do, it still looks extremely quirky to the normie western eye. Don't confuse things. OP is asking for toned down casual lolita, which is nothing at all like Otome.
1. Dear god please don't wear a petti in day to day life. As much as I love maximum floof at meets and cons, worn casually they are the woman's fedora. It's cringy as all hell.
2. To everyone suggesting custome accessories, Jesus Christ, stop! Op is asking how to make it LESS tacky.
3. Lolita is by definition not at all casual. Even casual lolita isn't really wearable. If you take lolita and make it wearable, it will break enough rules so as to not actually be lolita anymore.
4. I think what you are looking for is called himekaji.
Are you sure? Because after switching to a himekaji wardrobe 9/10 nerds still think that what I'm wearing is called lolita, and normies just admire how coordinated I am. Seems like what op is trying to say.
It's not typical (I don't know of any prominent bloggers who wear mostly black) but I know that most major Liz Lisa releases will have some kind of dark colourway. You might have a hard time finding straight black but dark navy and browns are abundant. It can definitely be done.
>Lolitas not casual or wearable
You sound like a noon who started lolita at the height of costumey wanna be princess OTT classic. Lolita is a fashionable and is therefore wearable. Casual lolita is even more wearable for every day. I don't know what you consider casual.
this girl has a blog, Alice in Gyaruland, from what I can see Himekaji is just one of several jfashions she wears
I don't wear lolita myself, but even the prettiest and most fashionable lolita becomes cringey when worn casually just like how even high fashion "streetwear" couldn't really be worn off the catwalk.
she means can himekaji clothes be dark colors like black. holy shit i spat juice out from laughing at the fact that you thought someone referred to white people as pastels.
Left looks more himegyaru than himekaji desu
And the right is only walking the line between "could be justifiably posted in an ita thread" and "what the hell are you doing wearing this to a supermarket"
Fuck this thread. Sweet Cream House is never going to look normie. If it's appropriate to wear lolita: wear it. If it's not: don't. Just suck it up and wear a cute tshirt and jeans instead.
If you like super casual coords or non-lolita outits using lolita items, awesome, anyone can appreciate a good, wearable outfit. But if you're doing it just to be "normie approved," grow a fucking backbone. You still look like a weirdo, and now you're an ita weirdo.
>don't wear a petti in day to day life
Holy shit you do not know anything, see pic related
>I don't wear lolita myself
Then you wouldn't know. You do look/get treated a bit like a special snowflake, but it's worth it to be able to express yourself.
that looks like pic related how?
I don't have to wear lolita to know that it looks either ridiculous or not lolita when people try to wear it casually...
I don't wear underwear on my head either, but that doesn't make me unqualified to criticize people if they did that.
It seems somewhat similar to me in the sense that I think it could coexist in the same wardrobe... Though I have no idea what your pic is meant to showcase whatever fashion it belongs to, I think it's a pretty generic example.
himegyaru and himekaji are not the same.
the former is about looking like a polished tacky princess who can afford all her expensive shit, conspicuous consumption at it's finest, the latter is about looking like a prim, feminine girl next door. himekaji is more on point and casual, something normies are drawn to because it looks effortless, while himegyaru makes women cringe due to it's egregious show of femininity to the point of sickeningly sweet overabundance.
This is exactly the point I was making (saying that if they thought himekaji is tacky, it is probably actually himegyaru that they were confusing it with). I don't totally see why you are arguing with me over this.
because i'm the one saying that himegyaru looks like casual rich girl anime clothes. which it does. pic related is love live, but still. the only thing himegyaru looks like is that girl from keklakek
And I'm the one who originally replied to the Anon who called himekaji generic anime rich bitch clothes saying that this description sounds a lot more like himegyaru... So from the very beginning it really sounds like we agree.
also -i- don't think it looks tacky, just actually like it's from anime. (the fact that i'm using more than one love live character is pretty funny)
Fair enough. People in my area seem to enjoy my fashion sense but it's a college town so it's way more open by default. In all honesty outside of work I'm sure I'd still wear himekaji on a daily basis even if everyone thought i looked like a clown since it makes me really happy.
>implying millenial normies think non-jfash feminine fashions aren't "oppressive" or other retarded tomboy/ghetto comments
The only normies you're going to get approval from are old people and people like us who are only pretending to be normal. Dresses are only for weddings and prom night, according to some normies.
This is the shitty world we live in.
Ok first of all that "coord" is terrible.
>caring about what normies will think
Lolita is about not giving two shits.
OTT lolita looks like a tacky costume to me even though i am lolita. But back in my time it was much more casual and wearable in general.
Anyway who cares if normalfags don't like it? You dress for yourself. You like it. That's it. The end.
If you want something cute but toned down there is otome or himekaji. Or even "casual lolita" like minimal poof,lolita skirt,cutsew or cardigan and there.
Agree with this. You also are not required to wear lolita every second of every day. I'm not really sure why you see it as a conflict of interest to be involved with lolita and to make friends.
Make friends who wear lolita.
Wear normal clothes when meeting non-lolita friends.
Wear otome, larme or other jfashion around more eccentric but non-lolita friends.
I guess it depends on the sort of friends you want to attract. Personally, I wouldn't be friends with someone who made fun of me for indulging in a fashion style. They don't have to like it or understand it but they have to tolerate it for us to be friends.
You know I kinda get where the OP is coming from, as much as I applaud the 'dress for yourself, not the approval of others' sentiment the reality of such an outlook has its drawbacks.
Going on general errands and shopping etc, sometimes you want to wear the things that feel like 'you' and make you feel good without being stared at every five seconds, asked questions and have people whisper shit about you 'just doing it for attention' etc. Sometimes it's nice to have things slip kinda under the radar you know? Sometimes we don't want that noise. The reality is we don't live in some Japanese rpg land where people flit about wearing all sorts of weird and conventionally outlandish shit and it's just considered normal.
There are also practicalities to consider, I actually think it's pretty rude to wear a massive petti on public transport or anything that takes up unnecessary room for instance - I get why some people might think this gives off a vibe of 'my life and needs are more important than yours'.
I think a lot of the more old school looks are good for enjoying lolita fashion without drawing too much attention. The babydolls are great for this and don't require much in the way of petticoat poof. I kinda think it's a shame too that there seems to be this idea of late that something can't be lolita unless you have a big petticoat; in my opinion as long as it doesn't look completely sad and flat or distorted by the lack of poof, something relatively minimal for daily wear is absolutely fine, it's not like everyone is off to an angelic pretty style photo shoot each time they leave the house.
I think pic related is a good example of something that is not too attention grabbing but not really casual (or otome) either.
>> calling Givenchy tacky
>> equating all costume jewelry
It's clear you know nothing of either lolita fashion or western high fashion.
Costume jewelry is by definition jewelry that is not made of precious stones or precious metals. Anything made with sterling silver and semi-precious stones is included.
God sometimes I wish cgl could do regular western fashion too.
Maybe you'd talk less shit if you weren't such a basic bitch playing dressup for your photo session meetups.
i thought of something to call many of the coords ITT: Corporate Lolita. like corporate goth; lolita for a professional workplace.
There are normie a who can appreciate good taste and then there are normie a who think you're fucking weird if you wear anything other than jeans and uggs.
>tfw the latter are my bf's friends from college
There are some main pieces and noteworthy coords that are prevalent in lolita that look very strange unless you understand the fashion and its unique rules and norms. There are other pieces, admittedly on the plainer side of things, which look good to most people regardless of fashion knowledge. I personally think it's good to keep this in mind when planning outfits for particular occasions.
True, but what do you think alt fashion is? It's different from the norm so it naturally stands out and attracts attention (whether intentionally or not is irrelevant). That's not necessarily a bad thing, it just means you'll stand out no matter how much you tone down your coords because lolita, no matter how simple, just isn't common.
Last family wedding I went to in a nice estate property every one of my cousins was in a wrinkly cotton casual sundress and flat casual sandals. Even the bridal party. My family is across the board not a leggings and Uggs group but they've also never been super dressy. But wearing a tealength dress with a cardigan, small heels and a barrette even made me feel overdressed.
I partially agree, but I think it's less about 'girly' and more about 'childish'. I think feminine is a better description to angle for when trying for corporate lolita. No illustrative prints, accessories to a minimum, natural hair styled neatly, tights over any type of socks and absolute minimum poof I think are the most important aspects.
Reminds me that collageanon did some nice workplace lolita collages some time ago. If I find them I'll try to repost ones I think work well for this thread.
I'm not disagreeing with you but I'm pointing out that normalfags who are turned off by anything but the most bland and mainstream fashion also exist. There's normalfag, and then there's basic bitch. And it's just freaking useless to try to please those people. I would guarantee most of the pics in this thread would turn them off. So it's useless trying to placate them.
Diff anon but it really depends on the industry and their dress codes. I work in a business casual environment, so I can wear a lot. However if you have business wear you are going to have less to work with.
I did my interviews for the job I got atm with lolita blouses and pencil skirts.
Not the op but I tried to tone down the lolita in this outfit and im not sure how I did
I get a punk vibe from this, not a lolita one. Also something about the color blocking feels off, like you need something red on your head and something solid black (like a wide belt) to demarcate between the plaid and the solid red.
Thanks for the crit! I think I should have changed my shoes to heels to remove the punk vibe(but its hard to kill my love for rhs) any suggestions to push it more into casual lolita territory or can I just jokingly call this "casual punk rorita"
Is this girl still around? I always thought she was too cute.
I think your reasons to wear casuallolita/toned down coords is silly but I love this style so here is a small picture dump
obviously if you want to please normies it's better to go with solid colours, natural make-up and without a giant fake looking wig
And Misako made up a style called soft lolita for people who want normies approval
Misako didn't "make a style." She just made up a term to cover casual lolita and otome and further her fucking efame agenda.
You don't need to justify. To get a proper Lolita outfit you need a lot of work and special accesories. Just starting with a plain skirt and common fashion sense is not that hard. Maybe try Larme? go for plain dresses and natural colors.
Also, beginners tend to feel observed, but once you get more practice wearing Lolita, you will feel more comfortable to wear more and more frills around normies and notice nobody gives a shit
Lol, no it's not. I own SCH, too, and it looks weird without a petticoat. There's too much fabric in the skirt (i.e. it's too full, like the other anon said) to wear without anything, so it gathers/bunches awkwardly. Also, otome prints are usually far less busy/have less going on. Even in this, a relatively busy ETC biscuit print, there is still only one overall pattern being repeated. SCH has at least 4-5 things going on.
Please don't act like you know what otome is when you clearly don't.
Tfw none of these coords would be approved of where I live.
I'd be fucking beat up or something. If I was going to wear a lolita or a j-fashion coordinate out I'd might as well just go full out. Wearing a cutesy frilly dress and a beret with cute socks is seen as overdressed and odd here I fucking hate it.
>Wearing a cutesy frilly dress and a beret with cute socks is seen as overdressed and odd here
That's sadly extremely common in many many places. Lolita is alt fashion, it's going to attract attention regardless of how toned down it is, and some people do think that anything beyond t-shirts and jeans is "odd". That's just how the world is.
I don't know what people are like where you live so maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like you're just very insecure. Yes, people are going to stare at you, some of them might even be rude but unless your safety really is at stake, you should just wear what you want... unless getting any sort of attention makes you uncomfortable, in which case I doubt this fashion style is for you.
Normies can tell buts it's considered socially unacceptable to talk to lolitas about their weeb clothes unless you want to be considered a daddy's girl with dress up issues. Story related:
>see girl with fugly Lolita outfit
>forced to talk to her because friends thought her outfit was cool
>she mumbles about her clothing, cannot talk to people in public.
>"I-I sew and create all of my clothes."
>"Yeah I can tell"
>mfw next semester she finally drops 90% of her Lolita wardrobe
>"Anon did you know her? I saw you talk to her a few times. Why did she dress like that?"
>"idk probably one of those girls who had daddy issues or got touched when they were 7, idk her personally."
>"why doesn't she talk to people, what a weirdo."
>"like I said earlier, probably daddy issues."
Feels good to get rid of her shit Lolita off of my campus.
Not OP, but you can "be a lolita" without wanting to go full OTT and want to blend in to Western society. Western clothes are bland and ugly. What's the issue with wanting something that's wearable and cute without having others gawk at you while you run errands? Full-on lolita has its time and place, like at meets or photoshoots. Those who want to to all out every day, more power to them, but don't shit on those that don't feel that way.
Basically the moral of this story and my post is that no Lolita fashion is considered normie so either go full out Lolita (by buying quality clothing) or just dress normie styled because trying to make a normie styles Lolita coord is just impossible because Normies will still notice and you will stick out like a sore thumb. Depending on your outfit, you might be seen as the following
>a girl going to an anime expo after class
>one of those Mormons going to church
>a "quirky" girl (and not in a good way)
>somebody going to a tea party
>somebody who role plays
None of those options are normie tier.
Anon, cheer up! Get a job, save money, and just move to a safer neighborhood. I know a lot of my poor friends moved out kind of in wasteland neighborhoods in the country to save cash. They're a bit desolate, but cows and tumbleweeds aren't going to beat you up because you wore something cute.
Man up or bitch out, if you're going to completely change the fashion, then it isn't that fashion anymore.
>caring about what people think of fabric
I know high school is hard, but it doesn't last forever, anon.
>normies will think you're "a daddy's girl with dress up issues", socially unacceptable to talk about it
>people ask about it
>you quickly remind them they should be assuming she has daddy issues and shut down convo like a sperg
I hope you get the hug you need today, anon.
Most of these are totally unsuitable for most office environments. I think >>8813378 is thinking of the financial/business sectors, where, yes, standing out as particularly 'feminine' is not a good thing. I'd wear some of these coords to a job in the arts, or teaching - any occupation where you're required to look approachable as well as professional.
Yeah people asked about it but not in a good way.
"What is she wearing?" with a sort of concerned/disgusted look, not like a "OMG what is she wearing that looks so cool.."
Also my friends asked about it because they wanted to start a collection of new clothes for her because her homemade clothes/coord were ATROCIOUS. Perhaps I should have emphasized that part in my original post. My friends thought this girl was homeless/really poor since her outfit was so sloppy.
Pic related, though it's not her it's just some random pic from google but it's the closest I could find. Imagine some quiet girl wearing this ratty Lolita-ish dress everyday to college while barely speaking a word to anyone.
I have been never asked about fetishes or whatever either. Not every normie sees it like above. And guess what: I don't give a fuck if they do. I have friends and people around me who thinks it's fine or even cool so I don't have to worry what someone else thinks about clothes I want to wear. I feel most confident in lolita and life is too short to worry about what every random will think.
Probably a bait but yeah.
Oh man. 10/10 anon, you totally made my day.
Now whenever I see any anons yelling "lolita looks like a costume you will never not stand out like a sore thumb!11!" I'm going to remember you, and this horrible pic you posted of a weeb wearing ill-fitting replicas. I'm going to remember that you still legit thought this is even lolita at all despite half the board being filled with actual lolita content, including permanent ita and nitpick threads devoted to picking apart outfits that look even better than your pic.
I used to write off all the "all lolita r costumes" comments as just trolling, but now knowing that some of them are being posted by clueless idiots like you makes it so much easier to laugh at it.
polite sage for OC.
Normies in my town don't know anime expo or roleplay. I never get rude comments about my lolita coords, just one time someone asked if I'm going to a wedding. I don't wear AP tough.
Somebody didn't read the "Lolita-esque" part of sentence. Never said that the hideous dress was official Lolita clothing at all. Reading comprehension is an important skill to have :^)
Nah, that's something else probably. If you got something from F21 that means it's most likely near you which means plenty of people shop there cause that's a normie store. I mean unless you got more than a look and someone showed actual disgust at what you were wearing and said something.
You can't base this off looks alone. What if they didn't like your hair or bag or something?