Only four days away. Who here is going?
Do you think there will be less people after the price bump for the tickets?
Anime is cancer. Literally every other convention in Las Vegas does well like CES, AVN, that Final Fantasy one, and Wizard World but the anime ones are just the cringiest shit possible
It was Anime Vegas but right now its Sabakon. I'm low-tier staff for Sabakon and the Vegas anime community is full of shitty people. People take personal drama to cons and it turns into a shitfest.
because omg its vegas. which is cool and all if you rarely go there but if you live there or have gone before it's just a place.
definitely community because there are a lot of options for conventions across the US so good people don't come. why go to otakon vegas? people come from all over the globe for CES, SEMA, SHOT, etc because those are more unique or held less often. you have much better options when it comes to anime conventions.
I actually enjoy the 1st and 2nd year. Reminded me of the pre-2000 anime convention scene. Less people and crowd and more intimate. But man, not going this year cuz:
1. no good guests (at least the previous years had Japanese guests)
2. the ticket cost is like 20 more than less time
3. need better panels and events.
Probably going to see the cosplay on the outside portion but this was the absolute worst con I've ever been too. I was so bored and everyone had cliques. I'm from cali and just happened to be in town so I went. I've gone to even smaller cons that were more entertaining.
To Vegas? Not much going on in Vegas to justify it. But yeah, they figure out ways, like when they send people who arent even Guest or Programming staff for weeks to Japan on con funding
If you're local you're already there and not losing much. If you're from out of town I hope you're going to Vegas for vacation already. If you're not, skip the con and just enjoy Vegas.
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They also misunderestimated the kind of attendees they would get and tried to apply the logic that works for a big east coast con to a tiny west coast one and, well, it didn't work.
>It's the only anime con in the Top 10 attended in North American whose attendance has DROPPED between 2014 and 2015
Gee, I wondrer why that is...
Most of my friends who go to Otakon every year, didn't go because it just isn't fun anymore. Even though the riot may have played a small part, it was not the main reason why. Most people I knew cited the rise in cost long before the riots even happened for not going. I am not paying 100 dollars and be bored to death. Make that 100 worth it. It will probably rise again this year because it's the last time in Baltimore (contract up.)
because the programming has been the exact same for years with no improvements, there's still hours long lines to get in, they keep raising prices..... ota has been coasting on its name for years from when it was the only big kid name in town, now there's better cons all over the country
this anon knows what's up
Interesting, so theoretically speaking, Otakon Vegas can probably double in size, but 4k seems to be the hard limit.
I think it would be possible to make money, but as a small business owner, I think it would be hard to make money in the strip. Rental for Convention Spacd in the strip are expensive.
That's why they are moving to D.C. which... Isnt a lot better but hey they are at least trying to fix thr probelm. They cant afford to move too far from their origin city because you'll lose their local base attendees.
Maybe im just a Midwestern townie but to keep it 100, ota was the best con i attended all year and waited in that reg line twice with different friends. I honestly didnt see the massive staffing problems everyone talks about. I wish had programming like that in the Midwest (the easts 18+ game is weak tho). Again maybe im just a kid with big eyes but i honestly don't understand these comments.
It's probably more like why the fuck would you be at a convention when you're in Vegas for the people coming in and for the people who live there there aren't enough to populate a con (plus the con sucks)
Jesus Christ the ones on the right are the only decent looking girls.
I was there last year and in dealer's room for a good section. Vendors looked like they were pulled in a decent amount of money save for like...Two booths. One was a magazine one and the other was some leather gimmick one.
Rumor mill has it that Kim D. bought the other half of Sabakon around Nrw Years. She already owned half of it by last year but now the rest of the staff are going to make their own con of some sort and start fresh. Kim is probably going to make Sabakon some shitty maid cafe convention or something else equally unrealistic like her Sabanetiks project.
If someone gives me a text about an Umineko I'll let you know , otherwise I'll just be at home with my awful Rise cosplay relaxing the fuck out of a free weekend for a change.
That's assuming they don't have an attendance loss. $65 at door is way to high for this size. Even the online price of $60 is steep for this. You can go to Anime Boston, AWA, etc. for that price.
It feels like there's a ton of people still coming in. Either that or their registration line sucks at taking people's money. It's almost 3pm on a Saturday and usually you can just walk in and grab a badge. But here there's still a line of at least 10-20 people any time I've walked by.
This con is not worth it. Period.
As a local, I've seen a lot of conventions come and go, with AnimeVegas being the only one I was really attached to. There's several issues with Otakon Vegas:
Promotion: They're literally promoting this convention in places like Ramencon, which is in Indiana... This is not a convention to promote across the US, but in the local area. How many people are really coming from California, Arizona, Utah, or even Nevada? These should be your prime markets, why are you advertising to people on the other side of the US?
Location: I get it, Alexis Park sucks & Cashman isn't in a prime spot, but Planet Hollywood is like the one location on the Strip without a true lobby. It's difficult to drop someone off unless you know the backstreets. Oh, and it takes 15/20 minutes to get through the mall to even get to the con. It's only convenient for people who are staying AT the hotel. It makes it feel like they don't even want locals there.
Focus: Otakon obviously is directed at anime fans, and it seems they do their best to get companies to give them announcements (such as Aniplex and Funimation). Why isn't this advertised more? The companies involved feel like an afterthought and not the core your convention.
Honestly, it feels like most vendors and companies support the show only because it's connected to the much bigger Otakon, but the show isn't fun. Artist Alley is out in the open for drunk people to grab their stuff, dealers are all losing money, etc. It's really sad.
There's a Vegas community, but no one seems to actually understand Vegas as a location and the possibilities. It feels like there's a huge disconnect as to what makes a good con in the area. You can't just use Vegas as the appeal because it's slowly losing that as a tourist destination (just look at MGM Resorts adding parking fees / Caesars' losing shit tons of cash). You still need to make the effort to make an interesting and engaging convention.
It's really not that bad of a con. I agree with >>8817153 . it's also a con that's only in its 3rd year and is trying to find its footing. But really it's not meant to be a big con. If they could fix some of the issues with panels, get the same quality of guests that they have been and switch to a better venue (the Rivera comes to mind) this could be a great con. Say anything you want as a con-goer but being a local I really don't want the anime con scene go die (especially with Anime Vegas, and Animega con dead and sabakon being on the rocks.) I really plan on voicing my concerns at the feedback panel after the closing ceremony to help improve this con.
Seriously, this is the only con really even to go to and it just feels sad. I feel like one of the things they have going for it is being able to book good guests. (Apparently that didn't go well this year.)
I suppose I'm looking at it as more of a business perspective, so I apologize if I seem overly negative. I'm just baffled by some of Otakon Vegas' choices.
I talked with a lot of vendors today and quite a few seemed unhappy all things considered. Some have yet to break even. One person told me they hadn't been to a Vegas show in ten years, and after this one they wouldn't be coming back.
In addition, their lack of growth is really startling. Going from 2000 to 2100 in a year... er, that's scary. Even as a small convention the aim should be 500 to a 1,000 in growth per year until they hit their stride.
As a local I'd hate for the con scene here to die. The only thing I think we have going so far is Lvl Up Expo (last year was surprisingly good, but I'm still somewhat cautious about them keeping up the pace for future years). I mean, most Asian musical acts skip us despite having one of the largest growth in terms of Asian population in the 90s and instead go to Cali twice and call it a day.
So yeah, I'd also like to see improvement, but I'm not sure this convention cares enough to do it. I wish them all the best.
Your 500-1000k growth estimate is pretty spot on if you look into the average growth of cons. Whoever you are anon, you have some great insights. Otakon would pitch this at shows on east coast and maybe like ACEN? But nothing in CA or bordering states. But it's not like their table at other shows seems interested in being outgoing either. I guess they feel the otakon name sells itself? Except not so much anymore. Also, that 2100 is a warm body count, not paid attendance count. Warm body means that includes staff, vendors, guests, etc, not just paying attendees. I'd say the paid attendee count is actually lower, but cons usually only report warm body. So they might have not actually even had 100 in growth.
I kinda wonder if this was an excuse on their staffs part to hang out in vegas for s weekend on the cons $$. Because it sounds like there's some phoning in on running the damn thing that's happening.
I tend to go to a lot of conventions as does my business, I've been on every side (volunteer, press, guest, vendor) in the past ten years. So really it's just seeing a lot of the behind the scenes through the years.
It's fairly obvious Otakon Vegas is made to spend money. Otakon is a non-for-profit so if they can't justify paying for anything else (including work space, employees, etc) then they have to get rid of the money in some way. Non-for-profits are weird in that if you have too much money at the end of a tax year, you can be looking at some hefty fines or other various problems (this changes on a state by state basis, I believe so I don't wanna comment on this too much without the right info).
But I question the move to not still make Otakon Vegas a successful show for locals. It would enable Otakon to strengthen their brand and expand even more if they decided to. Even encourage this side of the US to go to Otakon.
>game room has no Sm4sh WiiU or Street Fighter
>PS4 has PlayStation All Stars running
Parking in the mall parking lot and then taking the elevator to the first floor. and walking to the hotel lobby check-in is 10x faster than going through the mall itself to get to it. But you still have a reasonable point about the inconvenience to get to the event in general.
My friend and I used the far end elevators instead of the middle ones that connected to the mall. Though then again we arrived and left the con when there was minimal people on both spectrum's.
Did you mean the Riviera? Cause that closed a long time ago. Animegacon was there for its 2nd year & it fuckin' sucked. But that was probably mostly animegacon's fault not the venue's. As sumone who tabled there, I felt their setup was weird. Otakon Vegas setup was weird too tho w/ AA BEING OUTSIDE.
Lived in Vegas for a decade, which makes me prehistoric by my neighborhood's low standards.
I've never been to a con here. If I did, I'd probably do Wizard Word or some other comics related con. Anime cons especially seem not worth it because the guests are just whatever voice actors want to be drunk in Vegas and the panels are all shit. In addition, before Ota most of them were held at Cashman which is in a slum and hard to reach by public transit. I went to Cashman just once to see the most powerful man on Earth speak for an hour; I'm not braving that again just to see a bunch of weebs.
I'd probably have done Ota this year if it wasn't so expensive as to make it off limits to everyone who isn't a tourist.
OH man, the Cashman center.
I was a vendor at an anime con there. I was going to take a taxi to the airport, but ended up riding with some staff members because they warned me that taxi drivers don't like to go to the Cashman center since they prefer sticking to the strip and airport area. If I hadn't rode with them, I'd have missed my flight home.
What irks me is that we have all these legitimately amazing venues for cons (Sands, LVCC) yet we can't have a single decent con. The last time we ever had a good con here in Vegas as far as I can remember was Animegacon back in 2013. The Riviera was an amazing venue. And yes I know the Riviera is gone.
So fun fact, for LVCC to actually hold a con there (even if you had the cash), you need to prove to them you can bring in tourist. So a certain percentage of your guests need to be from out of town and you have to prove that. I was thoroughly surprised when I found this out.
Did you reach out to the Otakon Vegas staff and offer to join the staff and be their local sherpa and guide to Las Vegas culture?
If the answer is "no" then shut the fuck up, you are just a whining ninny who doesn't give a shit.
>There's a Vegas community, but no one seems to actually understand Vegas as a location and the possibilities. It feels like there's a huge disconnect as to what makes a good con in the area.
So start your own convention since you already seem to know everything
>The fujoshi panel got cancelled
Literally the only panel I wanted to see.
>tfw no disgusting unwashed fujoshi FWB
For all the complaining in here, the convention was well run. The panels generally stuck to the schedule, and the staffers have been helpful when I got lost.
It's easy being a backseat driver.
I would love to start my own con, in fact, I probably will if OV goes the way of Animwgacon and Anime Vegas.
Sweet at least one bro understood the reference!
>That feeling when all my friends left on the second day and you had to solo the rest of the con.
A little sad, but I realized cons are the most fun with your friends.
>Get an anime con in Vegas run by locals
>they eventually die from lack of resources
>lather, rinse, repeat
>Outside group with the resources tries this time
>locals hate on it and don't offer support
Gratz you ungrateful fucks, you're well on your way to killing another anime convention in Las Vegas
There's a number of decent mid-range hotels to have a con. Ballys/Paris, NYNY (where the meeting rooms are immediately adjacent to an arcade), and Trop stand out in my mind.
Bally's has a really huge room in addition to smaller conference rooms, which is part of why EVO keeps going there.
I fully fucking agree.
Either Support your local cons and the ones that come in. AND DONT SHIT ON THEM. Or shut the fuck up about not being able to afford to go out of state.
You can't piss in your own drinking water, then be mad when there are no more cons in this town.
Honestly, this con could be pretty awesome. Maybe a change in venue, so they can have a dealer hall twice the size. (Although they did kick out the Russians with their shitty solar chargers this year) With the extra money they can save being off-strip somewhere they could make a good amount of money.
But really, it's the community here that blows. You have really cliquey groups that kiss each others asses, and if you aren't part of those small groups, or god forbid you do something to piss off one person, then you are completely invisible. Which is probably better in the long run, but doesn't do anything to build an actual viable community.
and then no one from out of state wants to go to vegas for a sub-par anime convention when they could be doing, you know, vegas shit (which in itself wears off after you've been there a while)
The majority of the anime groups here in Vegas have this big hugbox mentality much worse than any other hugboxes I've seen. The moment you talk shit, as in criticize, everyone jumps in on you or straight up removes you from the group. Not to mention all the witch-hunting and forced drama I've heard from the cosplay community. (Mind you, these are baseless accusations I'm making since I dare forbid to get near these groups based on what I've heard from friends.)
All of what you said is true. Plus a few extra layers of ostracizing such as shit talking you for no reason besides you continue to exist. Or force others who still converse with the outsider to choose sides.
How old are these people and do you have any stories? I'm curious.
Oh there won't be any backlash, I'm not in any circle. My friends just do a last minute cosplay for these things. Even if it's by email? It's rare to know that something other than car crashes happen here.
Backlash from posting it publicly. There are a few that are on CGL. And at one point I got in 'trouble' for something someone else posted because a specific word was used. One that everyone thought I made up, that's just a CGL standard comment.
That's the level of pettiness and bullshit here.
I only have one. There was a Vegas FB group called the Vegas Gundam Club. I was a member because occasionally some guy does try to sell his kits or anything extra and that is the main reason why I joined the group. Suddenly some autistic fuck got mod status somehow and was all "if u don't circlejerk in this hugbox im going to kick u out of the group so like post something weekly ok" and not failing to realize this hobby is niche as all shit and most people do have lives other than plamo. I left that shit in a heartbeat.
Yea, hit the nail on the head. Lots of competition. Back when animeland had a con here, I got to talking with the staff. Apparently, Tokyo discount was going to have a booth one year and they were advertising the con in store, but staff from Anime Vegas told them they could come back if they stopped promoting other cons.
Las Vegas Comic Con was the same weekend as the last Animegacon and most people left once they found out. Honestly, I loved Animecon's 1st year, but 2nd year was meh. I think they promised too much by advertising as the" universe's best con."
only if they figured out the right timing for it. right now everyone is probably going to ALA. April is Sakuracon. Maybe February or March although AOD is February. Summer is Fanime/AX. Too late in the year and you run into people going back to school or Dragoncon. J-pop Summit is usually in the August time period
But I think Otakon Vegas could be better if the venue changes and if the price doesn't keep jumping. Also if they advertised more in west coast states, I've seen fliers for lvl up in SF Japantown but not Otakon Vegas. (Unless I missed them.)
Yeah, I remember AnimeVegas had a picnic same time as the first Animeland. Then a staffer from Animeland bragged at the event when they stole AnimeVegas' dates.
Not only that Vegas fans have been screwed over by both Anime For Cancer (with MTV crews and everything) and that pony con (Los Pegasus?).
It's just too much bullshit.
Honestly, I do believe it cause Tokyo Discount did indeed come back to Anime Vegas that year. But I wasn't trying to make it seem like animeland was a better con. Just adding to the competition discussion. Even if it's not true, I don't think having Tokyo Discount there would have made much a difference for animeland anyways. It was bound to die. I think anime Vegas and animeland were the only cons to be known to actually be on bad terms with each other. (Though I don't doubt if there's some private stuff I don't know. If anyone knows deets pls.)
I saw Otakon Vegas promotional material in Anime Los Angeles, Anime Expo, Anime California, and Pacific Media Expo.
There are no shortage of stuff to find when you go to anime conventions in California. I think this convention is just too close to Anime Los Angeles for most Californians to care.
what? The DC convention center is like 4 years old and is one of the top 10 convention centers in terms of size in the US. They have the room to potentially approach AX numbers if they plan right (since walter reed is bigger than AX, and DC because it has a good public transit system means you can viably commuter con it from a vast array of places, fuck you can take that super heavy train thing, so DC is a very logical place).
No fight sticks either. Not a great thought for an Otakon funded event :/
Also does anyone here know why they don't grant artist alley attendees access to the con without purchasing a day badge? Apparently this is the second year now they did this and it's CRAZY in my mind.
Ah! This is me and my friends! Thanks for posting! If anyone else got our pic, please post!
We had artist alley tables, and sadly this was one of the worst conventions we've done - sales wise and organization wise. We love Vegas and were hoping for so much more, I think we will go back to doing ALA next year instead. BUT, thank you to everyone who stopped at our tables and took our photos! We worked really hard on our costumes. <3
Their reasoning must be because it's in a public area so none of the artists need one. But that seems kinda unfair because what if They wanted to attend the con? That's $160 if an artists wants to go inside. Also AA being in a public space is a bit weird. Some people decided to take their stuff with them every day because they felt it wasn't safe. Some did just cover it up, & I didn't hear about anything getting stolen. Being outside of the main con also feels like a disconnect and may b part of the reason why a lot of artists kept feeling like it was slow.
Ah, ok. I'm not in Southern California so I didn't know. That makes sense though, I would've picked ALA over a con in Vegas. Only reason I went was because I was in Vegas for winter break.
They always had it that AA badge =/= Con Access, they just made it more obvious this year. Also what >>8822676 said the reasoning is probably because it is a public space. As much as I like to have the AA inside the actual event area, but I honesty don't know where it would go with how tiny it is inside. Just look at the dealer's room for example.
Planet Hollywood mezzanine and convention center is 88,000 square feet. Paris next door is 140,000 square feet.
Why can't they move to Paris and just combine artists alley and exhibit hall like all convention centers? They can also expand the exhibit hall in Paris and fit bigger booths.
I kinda prefer less exhibitors and more artist alley for small cons, but do agree that together is better. If anyone here has been to kraken con spring 2015, I think that set up was one of the best. It was one whole floor with a bigger artist alley than exhibitors. They also had like 4 other things going on around it, but it was so spacious that it worked. There was rock band in the corner near artist alley and it kept us all entertained, especially when a deadpool decided to sing. It was the best small con I've been to.
This only works if done well though. My sister went to level up and she said it was like this, but she didn't enjoy it so much. Said their Pokemon center was really sad. But I heard a lot of people enjoyed it too, maybe she just has high expectations?
Artist Alley felt quiet at Otakon Vegas and less energized... So having fun stuff to do around booths might make people gravitate towards the area.
Pretty much this. It would've been nice for there to be something going on by the tables other than the registration. It's like everyone got their badges and went into the main area without even glancing over at AA.
>Otakon Silicon Valley or Otakon San Diego would have made more money and have less local hostility.
Agreed, especially with Anime Conji on "hiatus" Otakon San Diego would work out well, Hanadoki is a new con and not too good
Can't go into details, but I can say a number of things have happened, mostly for the best.
So.. I heard from a couple of people I may have been mentioned on here, so before I start off with my bit, I'd like to say I AM in the middle of putting together a convention - we're planning right now to host either the 1st or 2nd weekend of November. I have yet to make any large announcements due to the website still being under development. As I'm going to get into, there are a LOT of details as to running a successful convention - which, a number of them have been brought up here. We plan for the convention this year, but if I don't feel we can provide a satisfying convention as time gets closer, I'll push the dates no later than February of 2017 - however, that's not looking to be necessary so far.
Now, I've noticed the mention of a number of conventions in Vegas. Because I don't want to start any trouble with anyone, I won't specify any names, and only point out issues with Las Vegas conventions overall (at least, from my perspective). These are my conclusions after multiple experiences at/working with each of these conventions.
First - There is usually a bad balance between a business mindset and understanding of the audience. That's not to say that the directors themselves need to all balance between the two. There are tactics that work in a standard business model, but you still need to take into account whether or not it will work with your target audience - I've seen cases where this was ignored entirely. Thankfully, we haven't had too many cases where that balance is flipped, and they sympathize too much with their target audience and flop in managing the business and budgets themselves - BUT, that's still an issue.
Second - Venue/Usage of space for the convention. Choosing a location for the venue IS one of the most difficult parts of the convention, that's without question. You have to take into consideration your Dealer's Hall, Main Events room/concert halls, panel rooms, green rooms for staff/guests, game room if you'll be having one, and general lounge area for the guests to sit and relax. This is without even getting into whether or not you'll be hosting at a hotel venue or a regular convention center, as well. Then there's convenience of access, safety of the area, cost, food options in regards to either catering or being allowed to arrange for outside food... needless to say, there is a lot. And unfortunately, proper utilization of a given space, or even just choosing a poor venue - have both been consistent problems in the past.
I lied, 3/4
Third - Volunteer staff. Yeah, that's without a doubt on this list. In some cases, this isn't entirely the convention's fault - there ARE circumstances or events that can occur which aren't too easy to predict. What CAN be attributed to convention organization, is being understaffed, untrained, and misbehaved. There aren't many conventions that I've seen that take much time in their volunteer recruitment/training processes to get a good understanding of their staff. That's not to say there AREN'T many, but when I know I've staffed for Anime Expo a few years ago and have seen the effort they put in to get to know their teams, it's a clear cut difference.
Fourth - Entertainment/Incentive. What I mean by this is what sets a convention apart from another in it's itinerary - what it has to offer. Every anime convention has a dealer's hall, panel rooms, typically a game room, and in most cases a masquerade.Slacking on these will make your convention usually suffer as a whole. HOWEVER - There is the possibility of managing all of these perfectly, and still failing to draw a crowd. A convention is an experience - so when you're inviting someone out to your con, you want to be able to provide an experience that someone can't get as simply somewhere else. There was even a case where two conventions were held on the same dates, one had a particularly big headline guest, and the attendance to the other convention was fairly low the day he signed autographs. Though, this also applies in cases of entertainment like concerts, DJ's for raves, etc.
tl;dr on this one - If one convention has cool events and the other doesn't, which is more interesting?
Fifth - Public Relations/Internal Relations. This one has been a particular problem recently I've noticed. This is both the treatment of outside parties and attendees of the convention, AND the internal staff members themselves. There has been quite a lot of improper treatment of convention staff - be it disrespect, sexual harassment, abuse of power... I mean, there ARE obviously cases where staffers are at fault, or there are clear cases of insubordination, but those at the higher ends of the totem pole set a very poor image for their own conventions, ESPECIALLY when doing so in public, or publicly on social media.
There is still a lot more, but I figure this list is at least decent unless anyone ever feels like hearing more. I want to also once more point out that these are NOT directed towards one convention, but are summaries of general issues.
I feel like I know a lot of people on this board today... At least I know a lot of people from the images/comments. Weird times.
She looks terrified. Did you blindside her or something?
Man, this con was a let down two years in a row. Guess it's just one more con off the list.
So who else hated the selection in the game room? I was so bored first day I brought project m the next day and ran it for a while. Nobody wanted to join though
Thanks for not putting in my image even when it said it did.
I know this chick, she is usually judging the Filthy Normies Probably why she made that face
Yeaaaaah... Kinda done with how ridiculous some of that community has gotten. I rather not bash any smash community, but with how toxic the melee/pm community can be... Kinda done with it. Not to say that's for everyone.
Smash community -
Smash 64: Casual BROS usually, even when competetively.
Melee/Project M (exclusively): Try-hards who shit often on other of the smash scene. Alternatively, people who didn't like Brawl, tried Smash 4 and hated it, so reverted back here.
Brawl: More often enough are now Smash 4 players. Friendly scene, there are very few exclusive Brawl players remaining.
Smash 4: Surprisingly friendly and welcoming scene. Accepting of all games for the most part, a few toxic players and unfortunately stress inducers for high level players, but the general community is really good.
I'm a former Brawl player now Smash 4 -
Brawl was good, but I can't deny that with Smash 4 there's not much reason to play it outside of characters I miss. Smash 4 is just a generally healthy mix of the games. In my opinion, at least.
I just never noticed how floaty brawl was until I went back from Sm4sh. I would forgive it but I main Mario for FLUDD like a faggot, and it's 100% useless in brawl. Not that PM has it either, which is a shame.
They should've got BearUNLV to run a sm4sh tournament at this Con. WTFox at Anime Blues Con helps with numbers and theres a good amount of overlap between communities. I agree with your statements I thought the relationship between sm4sh and melee communities improved over the last year but Genesis proved that almost nothing has changed
I know the feeling, it's a REALLY strange reverse transition. I'm a Lucario main, from brawl to S4, and when I went back... Well, my combos were AMAZING going back, but recovering was awful, and it was like the reverse of what my normal problems are.
I love Bear! He's definitely been putting a lot of effort in, but with Otakon and Genesis being the same weekend, couldn't have happened.
And Genesis... yeah, I was there. It's kind of a mutual agreement that watching melee top 8 IS hype, but the general community... well, at the very least, the disagreements seem to be a little less vocal, though the problems are still there.