New year, new thread! Old one has been dead for a while
I've been waiting for someone to make it! All the registrations are probably my favorite part of the new year. I'd post tables, but that folder is on a drive I left at home.
>Voluntarily go on the wait list (was accepted) for Momocon's 2015 alley since I was finishing school around the time of the con.
>Am currently on the wait list for 2016 because they forgot about me until after registration.
I really like this girl's setup, it's clean and makes her art stand out.
Europeans, how do you price your acrylic charms? 8-10 dollars seems to be the US standard, but it seems like they're a way bigger thing over there so they might be able to ask more. I want to keep my prices nice and round but 5 euros seems way low.
(I'm getting double sided clears from vograce, for reference)
Maybe a bit of a stupid question, but how did the shipping go from Vograce to europe for you? I've been wanting to get charms made for quite a while now.
Also I decided to not go to an upcoming con in my country to table, and rather start working on starting up an online store for merchandise.
The main reason being that I didn't have enough time to prepare since the organization is slow as fuck and I've never tabled before, and that it's a small con and I'm afraid I'll over-invest into it and I already don't have too many funds.
Momo-con put me on their wait list for an artist alley table :/
I've been put on a wait list, and later accepted before, so i guess there is a chance.
I hope I can at least get accepted to AWA.
This might be a dumb question that doesn't have much to do with AA (except ordering stuff from overseas), so forgive me, but how exactly does customs work? I've never been hit by it (knock on wood) but do you just get your package with some kind of fee attached to it? And how do you pay it? I live at school too so I'm wondering how the mailing center handles it (it'd be nice if they paid for it lmao hA)
I recently got 100+ charms from Vograce last week if anyone would like me to do a quick review. I'm super happy with the service and Coco managed to get me everything within two weeks from doing a price quote, sending designs, seeing samples, and then getting the package. I was a little nervous because it was my first time ordering but I am extremely pleased!
Yes please! May I ask which size you chose and how much they were?
I got a question, is there a place to print posters like these ones?
What is something you use for storage or display you can't live without?
I really lucked out with amazon cards and I'm hoping to use it to beef up my table. I'm really hoping for something good to store and transport packaged acrylic charms.
Sure, no problem! Excuse the crappy kitchen pic, it was what I had on my phone before I packed the charms up for cons and online store orders.
So I reached out to Coco for a price quote for about 150 on the Dec. 15th. I got 2” non-transparent double acrylic board charms with single sided printing, and she gave me a final quote of $0.52/charm in USD by Dec. 16th. She responds very quickly if you catch her during work hours, so my final quote was delayed because I was out with friends and didn’t respond until she was already out.
I sent her 10 different files via email and she got me a sample picture of the charms at the end of the night on Dec. 17th. I was happy with how they came out! They provide strap accessories if you’re interested, so I got keychains with a key ring for mine and then I chose SF shipping because I heard on previous AA threads here they’re the least likely to get messed with/go through customs! Coco gave me a final price quote of about $108 and that sum comes from the price per charm, the shipping ($24.26 USD) and paypal fees (~$5). I paid for the charms on Dec. 18th and I got a tracking number on Dec. 21st. I actually got my charms on Dec. 28th so it was just about the two-week mark!! (cont.)
My package came and all the charms looked super great. They separate your designs into bags and mark the quantities of each and if you have any extras of a design. I think out of 10 designs, 7 or 8 has 1-3 extras which was super rad. Each of the charms were in their own little plastic bag and most if not all of them have a protective seal on both sides of the charm (some only have the seal on the side with the design if you do a one-sided charm I’m assuming). The colors were practically spot on to my CMYK files and felt sturdy!! I haven’t done a stress test yet because I forgot to order one for that and I’m giving my extras to my friends.
All in all I’m supeeeer pleased. I like that the charms come with protective layers because I noticed on some of my Zap charms that don’t have the any protective sheet have scratches and scuffs and I’m super anal about that hahaha. If anything a few charms had small scratches, a small dent inside the acrylic, or a random dot but those weird charms were super rare and the scratches aren’t noticeable. I just like selling really neat products so I’m gonna use these for displays/trading with friends. I’m also super happy colors are vibrant since I see horror stories with AP or other charm vendors. I’m gonna be ordering some double-sided, non-transparent charms very soon and I’m really excited to do business with them!!
Here's a pic of one of my charms I attached to a phone strap. I found and added the other little acrylic accessories myself!!
with application results coming in. Is anyone else peeved at how unorganized so many AA heads are with (not) replying to emails and notifying people who don't get in. you'd hear your friends being accepted and weeks of stress later finally receiving an email about you getting wait listed/declined. Shouldn't they just email everything at once?
also, to everyone who's bummed about not getting into Momocon. Don't worry about it, it was so bad last year. Many artists didn't break even and just left early.
oh those are so cute
I didn't sell last year, but there was an entire row of tables that was basically blocked to foot traffic for hours at a time due to the autograph lines being right across the aisle. But was the whole thing really -that- bad? Yikes. I was hoping it could be my first.
no, it's not DashCon bad. I just don't think people need to be that bummed out about it, many artists were wandering around because there's nothing happening. It might be better this year because it was experiencing growing pains, but who knows.
A lot of aa's are volunteer run so aa heads aren't held to a very high standard. I'm making the move to more comic conventions because they tend to be more organized and professional about things. Worth the extra money, imo
I've been messaging with her for the last little while, because i keep having questions and keep wanting info on other things, and her english is actually pretty good. Not perfect, but not broken either
Would it be seen as scary or untrustworthy to be next to an extra friendly table neighbor?
When I table here I always have extra food, snacks, and drinks, extra supplies and a first aid kit free to use for any of my neighbors and being like this is part of my culture. I want to try tabling in the mainland though and am unsure if this would be acceptable, or seen as odd?
Her English is pretty good. Sometimes with the way she responded it made me worry whether or not she understood me (I was being super picky and anal about some dumb stuff) but almost all of the time she gets it. She's patient too so if there are any miscommunications it gets figured out pretty easily, because she usually asks to clarify things.
Thank you so much! And I thing SF shipping stands for San Franciso International airport shipping? I could be wrong but the other option she offered me was UPS and it was a few dollars more expensive!
No problem! I sent a price quote inquiry for 3" in double sided so if I hear back soon I'll be sure to share it with the thread. I'm estimating somewhere near $1 since its a large charm as well. I also agree with the other anons that Coco's english is good enough to communicate easily and get great results!
Haha thank you Tim!! I do have a Kanji/Naoto charm I'm working on along with the rest of the group + Kanamin Kitchen. If youre selling at AX I'll have them around and we can trade if you have any Kanji acrylic stands left!
Ahhh, thanks so much! The backs are white! I'm also thinking for my next charm order I'll do double sided and have my artist handle on the back or some cute pattern to match with the front...
Those are adorable! I'm also thinking of making charms and I'm glad Vograce/Coco are a great resource since I heard a lot of horror stories with Zap.
Do you mind posting again if you find any problems with the durability? I've had two charms break on me so far..
You have to pay to get your package. Some countries have really, really terrible markups- Euro anons sometimes pay nearly half the price of the item just to get it. It's insane, and it's coupled with handling fees, which drives the price up even more.
SF shipping means that the package is handled by SF Express until it hits your country. It's like the Chinese version of FedEx, and they're the least likely to lose/damage your shit as far as the Chinese companies go.
Oh man that is good to hear! Thank you. Some of the artists that come down here from the mainland have been so unfriendly, but others so sweet. I was getting a lot of mixed signals on if this would fly up there. It never costs too much more to bring extra things of what I'm already bringing myself so it's not a big deal either way.
Nope, not at all. The first aid kit is a really good idea and I used to bring one of those big $15 coffee boxes in from Dunkin Donuts to my AA table just to get friendly with my neighbors. I'd rather have a super helpful and friendly neighbor than spend an awkward weekend beside someone who doesn't even talk or make an effort to say hi.
I finally got a button maker of my own! What weight and type of paper should I be printing my designs on for use in that thing?
I keep imagining too thin would tear and too thick would... do something bad, too.
thank you so much for the review, i am planning on using vograce and I really appreciate you going through the steps you took! I might be being blind or stupid, but is there a special way you have to prepare your files for vograce?
I keep seeing artists use cork board for their buttons, but if you pin a button to it, doesn't it bend it out of shape too much for selling? Do you just keep it there for display purpose?
Depends on the button maker I think. Thinner paper is easier to work with because of the mylar layer, but I've seen semigloss photo paper go through a tecre and it does tend to look better if it doesn't fuck up.
Don't think there's anything that's too thin since the mylar adds extra thickness no matter what you use.
No problem, I hope it helps people when they try ordering with Vograce!
And yea you're right - they prefer CMYK! I just worked on my charms and then I made a copy file where I merged all the layers onto one and had a transparent bg! I also included my own outline and ring hole but I hear Vograce does that for you if you don't do that yourself! I also just sent them via email attachments and as .psd files! I know some people use file sharing hosting sites but I hear GoogleDrive and Dropbox is unreachable by them!
Huh really? how odd - I got a response from her the same night I asked for a quote back in November for another project... She might be out for holiday because I still haven't heard from her about the price quote I made the other night... I contacted her through alibaba the first time and then the rest of our communication was via email. I also haven't seen her on Skype since before the Christmas holiday!
Display only, and I don't only use it for buttons. I hang charms and things on them sometimes, if I'm sharing a table and don't have much space. I keep my stuff in containers under the table and only have display pieces or really big pieces on the table, just in case.
Has anyone found a supplier for prism/holographic die cut/kiss cut stickers yet?
It seems like holo/prism printing has spread out beyond jimi but I still haven't seen it being used for stickers (with the exception of people that have access to local suppliers).
I won't be at AX, but I'll be at a couple NorCal cons between then-- AOD next month then Silicon Valley Comic Con in March-ish, and hopefully Fanime. If you see me at any of them, flag me down! I'll save one for you!
Do you have a tumblr or website I can follow (or do I already follow you?)
I got some pushpins from daiso and use them to hang the charms from. Here's the display I had for the buttons too.
Ah, I'm hoping to get into Fanime too, but I'm not too optimistic since it was my first time applying lmao
I have tumblr but I don't use it too much... I use twitter a lot more/to talk to aa friends so I can just link that or I can give a link to my store, whatever you prefer!!
Fingers crossed! I'm also pretty active on twitter, so that would be perfect!
If you're getting them done professionally, something like 20 lb or w/e is fine. I think thin paper+laser printing yields the best look. If you're printing at home, same deal on the paper, but the actual printing might be a little fuzzy just because of the nature of inkjet and because buttons are usually small so even minor details are pretty visible (unless you have a color laser printer)
How do you gulls feel about printing prints on glossy photo paper? I recently bought a print and it was printed on a photo paper, probably printed from some place like walgreens, and it looked nice. I had a notion that peeps prefer matte prints though. Do you prefer matte or glossy?
Newbie here. I've been gathering resources and information for a couple of years now, but have yet to even apply to an artist alley.
Is anxiety over your first con as a seller natural? How do you overcome it? Having to talk to all sorts of people all day seems exhausting, and I'm so not confident in my work that I don't even have a website.
How was your first time, /cgl/?
>Is anxiety over your first con as a seller natural? How do you overcome it? How was your first time, /cgl/?
When I first started selling I was always super uneasy around new people. But when you have fandom merch it helps that a potential customer can talk to you about x or y series that you have a print of.
Once that happened to me at my first con (I had some KH merch so customers would talk with me a lot about the games) it seemed to calm me down quite a bit. I also had a trusted friend as a table buddy who had experience with AAs which helped too.
I know what you mean. I'm a total newbie too. I'll be tabling for the first time (and I'll be selling by myself!) in april and I'm so nervous. I won't have that many merch and talking to strangers all day sounds scary. Hope you do fine anon!
Yes, I would say it's natural. I wasn't particularly nervous, but my friend was. I'm the kind of person who doesn't like getting on stage, but I have a lot of stage experience since my parents put me in a lot of piano concerts. I process that kind of nervousness well.
> how do you overcome it
Having someone with you helps a lot. Try not to dwell on how nervous you are and keep your hands busy; then you'll realize that the day went by and nothing bad happened.
Otherwise, time and experience.
first time me and a friend got a table together, we took turns watching over the table. She let someone she didn't even know behind the table, and they stole around $60.
So that was great.
I've done plenty of conventions since then and never had any problems after that. The only way you won't be nervous is after you do it a few times. You probably won't even be doing that much talking. It is really only super busy for the first 4 hours the AA is open, so its not like it will be non-stop interaction all day.
My first time I was a cocky little shit.
I had gone to the local con before to scope out the competition to see how I would fare and didn't feel especially threatened, so when I got a table, I was feeling pretty confident. That all dissipated pretty quickly when I saw other people making sales while I didn't hahahahaa. Then my mom came to visit to support and fiddled with my display a little. Suddenly people started buying my shit.
I made like $20 in profit, but that's kind of exciting when you're in high school. Took it as a learning experience and did better from then on out.
A little anxiety is definitely natural, as usually there's no "guarantee" that you'll actually make money, but the more you do it, the better you can gauge crowds and figure out what people will almost always buy. You get over the anxiety with experience, mostly. At-con, it's important to stay focused on the positives. For example, one con you might not make a lot, but maybe you'll meet cool people or find a new artist buddy. Focus on that rather than the negatives and it gets easier to power through poor sales and learn/grow from the experience.
My first convention didn't really count as far as I'm concerned, because it was 50+ people at a dying University event. The anime club was on its last leg, they had fucked up royally with the vendors and had none that year because of an issue with paperwork/ the school's policies, my friend and I shared a table and were teenagers with shitty handmade hats and plushies. I was more nervous about my 5th-6th convention because by then we finally went to one that wasn't local and only like $20 for a table. Threw down a couple hundred to go to our first "real" convention, ended up learning so much and making a few thousand. As soon as the convention started and we had to mingle with customers and had made a few sales the nervousness melted away. Honestly, even if you're anxious it will be great once you get going. If you don't sell a lot don't get discouraged. Always introduce yourself to your neighbors right away so you know if they're friendly or not. Bring snacks (most places don't allow outside food but I always smuggle in a tote bag with the rest of my merchandise and once the event gets started no one actually cares if you have a bag of cheetohs or whatever.) bring lots of water, wear comfy clothes, smile but try not to be overbearing to customers, and just relax man.
>sophomore in high school
>upperclassmen invite me to help at their table
>they wind up bailing to wander around the convention
>get stuck at their table and wind up selling more than them
>chatted with the guy sitting next to our table that was a very experienced convention/commission artist
It's really not that scary, especially because you're in a place where everyone has the same interests. I didn't make a lot of money but I was able to learn about selling (and to find better roommates/people willing to work).
I have a handful of questions. I did alleys back in college, but it's been a long time... finally going to quit my 9-to-5 to live the artist/writer life. It's been a while though, so yeah.
>Anyone tried selling 3d printing stuff? Success? I'm getting an etcher/laser cutter in a few months and know people have success with making jewelry and other stuff to sell with that. Unsure on the printer though.
>How many of you have done this hardcore, as in, taking a plane to go multiple states away to sell? Do you make enough profit for it to be worthwhile?
>Success with selling non-anime stuff?... I bought a Wes Anderson fanzine from one girl's table a couple of years ago and have been musing bringing a lot of not-typical fandom and whatnot to sell. Honestly, I've not had much interest in recent anime so I'd probably suck at pandering to young fangirl types anyhow.
>Commissions? Worth it or not? I used to do them and prints, nothing else. Seems like lots of people offer commissions now, so no idea if you even get enough customers to bother.
My first time selling at an Artist Alley was at a tiny convention where the AA room was so small there were only about maybe 10 artists or so.
I actually had no knowledge of what I was doing and just went because my other friends were artists and were doing it too. I had no prints prepared, so I just put up examples of my work and did commissions that were totally underpriced. (Think $5-$10) It was still pretty fun though.
I somehow made a $60 profit and to this day I'm not even sure how.
I don't even think I started selling prints until my 3rd time doing AA.
You've been gathering information for such a long time that I think you'd do fine. Perhaps just setting up a tumblr or an instagram where you can put up your work can help with feedback?
How are artists judged for AA's? I've sent in my first application for an AA but I'm a little afraid of not getting in. Do they base their decisions solely on the skill of an artist? The con I've applied for is a small con and I know that there are a handful of really good artists applying that are sure to get in if it is based on skill level.
Wondering the same thing. Of course skills should matter, but if artists are judged solely on skills, it's kind of not fair to artists that are just starting out. Maybe I feel this way because I'm mediocre haha. How do less experienced people get into jury based AA?
Are art contests that claim all rights to all entries worth it? I was tempted to enter the yaoicon contest but thought against it after reading that they will claim all rights. Well, maybe it's just the ARTWORK and not the actual characters depicted in the artwork, but I'm not sure. Are contests like these even worth your time?
Try contacting Vograce ASAP with your files and see what they can do. When I spoke to Coco today and sent her files, she said delivery time to the US would be 4-7 days with SF shipping. They're in the office at the moment so good luck with contacting them!
PS to anyone who plans on making Vograce orders anytime soon, they are taking a long holiday from the office from Jan. 30th to Feb. 17th for a Spring festival. I would suggest getting orders in if you have any upcoming cons!
I was lucky that at my first con I was with friends that had done artist alley for a few years before, so I kind of knew what to expect. I shared a table with a much more popular artist and only had a few things to sell (plus I was pretty new to digital art), so I was still really nervous. But I ended up having a lot of fun since I met a lot of people who had the same interests.
Don't get discouraged right off the bat, with more experience at cons you start to figure out what works and what doesn't for you.
With non-anime stuff, there's a lot of artists that solely draw art for western fandoms and video games. I've had no problem selling stuff that wasn't anime, though it does depend on what the thing is. For commissions it depends, I don't personally do them since I don't like how my work turns out when I'm rushing to finish, so I stick to doing them online only.
>How many of you have done this hardcore, as in, taking a plane to go multiple states away to sell? Do you make enough profit for it to be worthwhile?
Every time I've flown out of state, I've made my costs back and then some. Furthest I've flown and invested in a con was probably Otakon a couple years back. I think flight was like 800 and I had like 400ish more in other costs and made all of it back+2kish? I'd say it's worth it. Otakon not so much because it's a corrupt shithole of an AA, but most other larger out-of-state cons I've been to have been profitable.
>Success with selling non-anime stuff?... I bought a Wes Anderson fanzine from one girl's table a couple of years ago and have been musing bringing a lot of not-typical fandom and whatnot to sell. Honestly, I've not had much interest in recent anime so I'd probably suck at pandering to young fangirl types anyhow.
I do way better with Western fandoms than I do with anime. Most of my stuff is like Marvel/DC capeshit and recent shows/movies that I'm into. I think comics especially are on the upswing because of all the movies.
>Commissions? Worth it or not? I used to do them and prints, nothing else. Seems like lots of people offer commissions now, so no idea if you even get enough customers to bother.
Depends on how bored I am, how desperate for money, and if I feel like drawing. Just make sure you're charging a fair amount. I feel like you shouldn't spend more than an hour on a single commission at-con, and if you are, you better get paid reasonably for that hour (i.e $10 for a fullbody color is bullshit, don't do it when you can make that same amount slinging caffeine at a starbucks)
Any mostly print artists with possibly buttons/charms/keychain as well willing to post their figures they make per con? I just started and I want to know if what I'm making is the average or if I should try harder? I've done four cons so far I want to sign up for more cons but I might need to hold off and work on more products. I'd ask around but I do understand not everyone likes to share this information, i just want about an average. The thing is I think I definitely overstocked the first con I did and now I'm stuck with so much old merch but I know what sells and doesn't now so I want to replace it with new merch but I don't know if I'm even doing good enough to do that yet.
I do mostly prints (posters and postcards) and charms/keychains. I average around $2000~$2500 at cons like ALA & Sac. Smaller cons are probably a little bit less $1500-ish? At bigger cons like WonderCon and AX I do $4500~$5000
Thanks!! Yeah, I'm into doing comic stuff, which I know sells well at cons that aren't mostly focused on anime, like DC. My shtick is literature and humanities related stuff... Similar to Kate Beaton I guess. Seems like the general crowd at an anime con is too young for that though.
just got some vograces!! shipping was even fast to australia :o i did a stress test, and i managed to snap one (with force) and separate the two pieces of acrylic, the paper inside is actually a vinyl sticker! also submerged in water for a few hours with barely any visible damage! their double sided clears can be scratched like zaps, but are much nicer in general and dont have that damn white line (ill take a nicer photo some other time lmao)
Yep, pushpins. I prefer displaying them like this, actually, I just got another cork board that I'm going to cover with black paper to make them stand out more. If it looks like shit, well, it's easy to remove.
Thinking of getting standees to stand by them instead of plain price stickers.
Is it worth bringing stuff from less popular animes to cons or should I stick to selling it online? I'm getting designs ready for a charm order and I'm on the fence about making more than two or three charms for the less popular ones, so it's not like they'd take up much space, but I don't know if it'd be worth rearranging my display for something that might not sell at all.
It's nothing super old or unpopular, just stuff that's not particularly in at the moment.
It's your call, really. Merchandise from a less popular series will probably have a smaller volume demand compared to something currently in season.
On the other hand, you'll really stand out to fans of the series in question. It's possible to sell on that alone. For example, I really wanted to get a Cromartie Highschool sticker set some artist had last year, but they had sold out before Friday evening!
I have access to a 3D printer, but it doesn't really seem fiscally practical to produce merch with it. I think it'd be good as a starting point; print out one object then use it to create a mold to mass produce for cheaper.
>How many of you have done this hardcore, as in, taking a plane to go multiple states away to sell? Do you make enough profit for it to be worthwhile?
I've made back profit at all my out of state cons, because all of the best opportunities lie out of state for me. It's definitely something you shouldnt do unless you're secure in your instate sales, though.
>Success with selling non-anime stuff?
I personally dont, but I know a lot of people who do that turn up a good profit. These things tend to have a fan base overlap with weebs though, like League and general vidya, mainstream fantasy and superhero movies, whatevers big on tumblr atm, etc.
>Commissions? Worth it or not?
I take small sketches only so I have something to do other than stare at passerbys. It barely makes up any of my profit, but it's a good way to seem preoccupied but not so busy that people feel uncomfortable approaching you. There's definitely a huge amount of attendees wanting commissions, though.
They don't have an MOQ and each piece is pretty cheap, shipping might be quite high though depending on where you are and how much you ordered. It's worth doing a couple of each, or making more designs, if the shipping's on the high side.
It'll probably be about the same price/cheaper than getting charms from Etsy or Storenvy after shipping, and if you need to pad out your order you could ask for samples of double white or epoxy or something. I'd say it's worth it, but if you want to make like 3 charms you should really pad out your order.
My first con is coming up quick. I feel confident in my products and ablity to sell. Im just so lost about money, like till stuff and card readers.
Can anyone offer advice? Anyone have a favourite card reader system? Can you pass down card fees to customers?
Also, around how much should I keep in my till?
How does everyone handle payments?
Thanks for the info! Thinking of asking for samples first then since I really don't want to deal with extra copies, especially since it's for a lesser known idol fandom.
Sometimes I get a little sad that I can't order a huge shipment of charms or other merch because I'll probably never get rid of them.
Anon, I'm from Australia too and I've been wanting to get charms made, but worried that Vograce was going to be crazy expensive.
How many charms did you get done, and what was the shipping like?
Idk if it'll be super helpful, or if you've already thought of this, but record your sales. It's helpful for keeping inventory, figuring out sales patterns, and counting money. I'm absolute rubbish at doing it, but a lot of my friends are fucking awesome at it and it helps them stay organized and on top of business. A system like this works well-
>Steven Universe Print 15 15 10 15
Where 15 is a purchase of a print at full price (if you're selling prints for $15 each) and 10 is a purchase of this print in a bundle or sale (in this case, buy 2 $15 prints, get 1 free, making each print worth $10 in this particular bundle)
So in this case, you've sold 3 SU prints at full price, and 1 at a discounted price. You can also do it symbolically
>Steven Universe Print x x o x
Where the X's are full-priced prints, O is discounted, etc.
I've only ever used Square and it's never fucked me over. Yes, you can pass down card fees to customers. Most customers expect or at least don't have a problem with a $1 surcharge per purchase. It rarely goes over that.
Depends on the con. I'd say $100-$150 in change for smaller cons, and about $300 for larger ones
What do you mean by this?
Any good places that do reasonably-priced A3 prints? My local printer where I used to get all of them done closed down, and I'm in Australia so most places charge an arm and a leg.
Also, on the topic of prints, what do people use to store their prints in at cons? I used to have them in an A3 file with plastic slips until the volume I sold increased heaps. Any ideas like shelves or something?
THIS THIS THIS THIS
I have a ton of prints and I broke my file so I stuck them in a cardboard box with dividers and it made my life at the con HELL. If anybody has ideas on storing prints for easy access, please let me know!
One of my friends recommended I just roll up prints ready to go with stickers on them to recognise each one, but that'd be so space-consuming and damage them!
i managed to buy an a3 folio bag thing like in the pic pretty cheap, its got little dividers like a filing box with name tabs so you can see what print is in which pocket! they lay flat, and its easy to carry
Anyone do stickers? Want to share how you do them?
The way I've been doing them is a bit tedious and takes a load of time and the other option is to get expensive kiss cut sheets from printing places. Though I don't mind labor or prices all too much, what bugs me most is that I want stickers with a layer on it that doesn't cause it to scratch off or be water damaged so easily.
Any advice? Maybe I'm using the wrong paper.
dumb question and I know the name Vograce is in the title, but is this actually Vograce before I start contacting them about samples?
>I have access to a 3D printer, but it doesn't really seem fiscally practical to produce merch with it. I think it'd be good as a starting point; print out one object then use it to create a mold to mass produce for cheaper.
Meh. See, the one thing I really sucked at in art school was making decent molds. I wanted to make figures,.. but I'm better just making the originals with armature wire and paperclay than doing it completely modeled on the computer. Hmm I may hold off then. I figured for something tiny the expense to make something with a 3D printer would be cheap.
anyone have any experience with traditional printmaking ? i have done linocuts personally for a while although i've never made fandom stuff. i can't do 2-colour ones for shit yet though.
I know it's kinda off topic, but does anyone else feel kinda sad when they see artist friends say "I'm trying to loose the anime in my style" or "I've grown out of anime style" etc etc?
I don't know, I just feel like I'm the only person left that's deliberately trying to look even more anime (so to say, you get what I mean) and it's a bit disheartening to see so many people talk about it like it's a bad thing.
Even worse when in their attempts to not look too anime, their style just turns into this messy mixture of western comic and anime style.
I don't think it's a bad thing anon. Sure there are some horrendous aspects to the weeb community (like those that think Naruto is real life and don't have good hygiene, etc.) and I personally have grown out of watching anime. I watch like an animated movie or two and series a year. That being said, I don't think it's bad to like anime. There are bad fandoms everywhere and as long as you're not a cringefest autismo about liking anime and make a decent profit off selling prints and merch, what's the harm?
I feel like the anime art style is also something respectable. There's a certain balance to it that's difficult to achieve and can rarely be copied by non-Japanese people. (Inb4 Nippon gr8est, I mean you can clearly tell if a Japanese person drew something versus a non-Jap.) Like what you say about trying to deviate from it ends up as a "messy mixture."
So yeah it can kind of suck 'cause you still may be into it and a lot of people seem like they're trying to make it a thing of the past bit so what? If they wanna "get over" anime, let them. You enjoy what you wanna enjoy and you can always find new friends in fandoms who share your interests. And that's coming from someone who has lost a lot of interest in anime in general. (Sorry for the wall of text.)
It's always a good idea to draw in various styles and be flexible. For personal projects, I don't like to draw anime too much, there's maybe a smidge of anime influence still left in my work. But I can switch over to anime because it sells at anime cons or go western style for comic shows.
>Inb4 Nippon gr8est, I mean you can clearly tell if a Japanese person drew something versus a non-Jap
>tfw this is what I'm trying to achieve
Is that a weird goal?
And I get what you mean, it's just sad to sometimes see it treated like it's a childish style that you should grow out of, even if you're just a hobbyist.
I'm kind of curious to see you're work, there's not many people who can switch between a solid anime and cartoon style. I don't mean this in a "I don't believe you" way, it actually sounds really great!
I understand what you mean by the kind of art style that screams 'desperately trying not to be too anime'. Basically, the generic tumblr style.
I still love anime style art, especially when done by artists that are very skilled. I think the anime style gets a bad rap because that's how everyone drew when they were just starting out and knowing nothing about art, leading to comically dorito-shaped heads and huge overwrought eyes without any skill to it.
>pic related to the well done anime side
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean, that awkward style where they scream how they don't draw anime anymore when still obviously having those traits in their art.
Pic related would also be a good example of a good 'anime' style
all rights means they own the image, not the character.
but I won't do it, because this means they COULD print posters, make merchandise with your art. they could even re-sell your image to another company without compensating you anything because they OWN your image.
doesn't mean they will tho. but just the idea of it is a turn off.
I honestly feel like conventions just do all rights or work for hire because they have no idea how to make a proper contract that benefits BOTH parties and just go for the thing that makes their own life easier.
Honestly, what really irks me is all the kids drawing in Steven Universe style. It just annoys me for some reason, probably because a lot of them have this condescending "oh I've grown out of anime" attitude.
When I went to art school, all of my teachers started the year by saying NO ANIME, which within a year actually turned into NO TUMBLR ART since the classes were flooded with noodle arms and tumblr noses. It was funny because all the kids with anime influence seemed to improve leeps and bounds by their senior year over the tumblr art kids, I'm not sure why exactly.
Everyone was essentially forced to go away from their anime influence, and there was this year where everyone's art was so boring. By senior year though a lot of kids were like "fuck it" and had obvious anime influence but it came out in different ways.
>which within a year actually turned into NO TUMBLR ART since the classes were flooded with noodle arms and tumblr noses
I've heard some stories of a friend who told me her school was so into the whole 'anime is evil" thing that her good drawing in anime style was bashed, while her shitty 5 minute cartoon doodle was praised, purely because of the style.
The image >>8800067 is a pic of well done anime art. Tumblr art is more like pic related. Basically anything that tries to be as diversified but their attempts to avoid pretty sameface turns into ugly sameface. Tumblr nose is usually referring to big red noses that you see in a lot of anime styles. There's also that one Love Live image that likes to get posted; maybe another anon has it.
What kind of sticker paper are you using? My friends and I use LD products' glossy sticker paper, and it doesn't scratch off too easily or get faded by a little bit of water. If you just want a quick solution to your current paper problems, putting a layer of transparent contact paper makes it really hardy. I bought a roll from Target for less than $10, and it comes with quite a lot.
The last part makes me worry about my art a little since I feel like I'm stuck somewhere in between, and I'm not sure which direction to go. It's a weird limbo.
Haha, I feel like this happened when I was in school as well. I know a lot of my classmates had some anime influence in their lives and I feel like it's definitely impacted their post-school art a lot. It's almost kind of refreshing to see amongst all the noodle arms.
that drawing is cute, though. outfit is shit and banner is eeehhh but the style isn't eyebleedingly offensive. i've seen far worse.
the big red nose thing is popular in a lot of art, disney is doing it a lot recently, just check out the concept art for wreck it ralph.
a lot of the stuff people call 'tumblr style' is just popular and contemporary art trends but badly done because it is largely a community of amateurs. /ic/ fails to understand this and whines about 'hipster styles' every ten minutes or so
'be inspired by more dead artists than live ones' is solid advice for anyone
about pic related, it's an anime thing. Undertale and SU are more heavily influenced by anime than anything. I mean it's a super tumblr drawing thing now but this exaggerated expression predates tumblr by a longshot.
I feel like there are better examples than pic related in Dragon Ball but google image search is not helping me out here.
Generic 'trying-so-hard-not-to-be-anime' tumblr art style courtesy of the supernatural fanart tag.
Eh my art style has evolved out of anime mostly. Honestly I had influences back in school, but I always had my own weird take on it. My real talent is in realism, so I think I just resist that less now.
Do what makes you happy, yo.
Oh man. I'm probably older than most of you guys. Went to college pre-tumblr. I got so much shit for anime style and wanting to illustrate in general. In short, going to university for an art degree sucks... the scope of what qualifies as "Art" is limited. I could only pull off illustration if it was part of a graphic design. My art is barely anime influenced too.
It's weird because before I started college I heard people going through the same thing: not allowed to draw anime. Now, as a college student myself, I never hear anyone tell others to stop drawing anime but just draw as an individual. Teachers and students alike are seeing so many ripoffs and copies on tumblr that they don't care what style you draw as long as you develop it on your own rather than trying to become what everyone else is. I'm glad though because anime doesn't get nearly as much credit as it should.
I've been using label paper which is probably why. I'll look up the LD sticker paper. Does it print well with black? Can it be kiss cut?
As for the contact paper, do you just apply it directly on top? I'm seeing the sheets but I can't seem to find rolls of it by googling.
>I feel like the anime art style is also something respectable. There's a certain balance to it that's difficult to achieve and can rarely be copied by non-Japanese people.
Definitely agree. It's really easy to tell if the drawing was done by someone of Asian descent or European descent. I usually prefer any series' Asian fandom more than the Western fandom because they produce a lot more art of better quality and there's also less shitty drama within the fan community.
>It's really easy to tell if the drawing was done by someone of Asian descent or European descent.
Because I"m trying to achieve that sense that my art can't be distinguished from your average japanese artist, I've really been trying to pin point exactly what gives off that vibe and what doesn't.
Yet even then it's pretty difficult, I can see it's made by a japanese (though I'm getting good at figuring out if an artist is Korean too) but I can't say exactly WHY.
does anyone know how to take nice photos of clay charms for online stores?? ive tried but since they arent flat on the back or anything (people shaped)they tend to roll around a bit an look unflattering? and if anyone knows how to advertise online stores well, im not really sure how to go about that either :o
i always use a lightbox and tape them down in a cute 'pose' with a bit of masking tape. as for advertising, i'm lost myself, but i do know that taking your audience into consideration is important
So I've lurked in a few AA threads, but I still want to ask what kind of advice you'd give a newbie?
So far I've been at a few conventions, I checked out other artists and stuff, but I'm still unsure. So far I am a completly unknown artist. I wanna work on more internet presence, but still I'm not famous or well known. I also don't really know any of the artists even though I wish I had friends who are into art. But I don't want to spaghetti all over them at a busy con, or come off as need/creepy stalker
>tfw no art friends...
I think I can kinda talk to people and have smalltalk/not sperge out completly, but first I'd have to get customers interested. How do you achieve a "personal" AA table, style (not talking about art style) products etc? Any tips on that?
>basically how 2 find your niche, etc
Also how fucked am I if my digital art skills are terrible? I plan to work on that but since I'm not very fond of digital art I don't want to pour in more energy than I need to. Is traditional media fucked and should I just into PS/SAI, or are basic skills with digital art enough?
Also ANY kind of advice is welcome, I'll continue lurking the thread and try not to be too obnoxious.
My major is some awkward mix of Digital Media/Animation/Print, which is under the scope of Engineering at my university, and anime is HUGE in it for some damn reason. Even the professors watch it and talk about it. But to be fair, nothing in the degree teaches you how to draw or design (it mostly focuses on marketing, industry, and the process to create a final product), so if 85% of the students can't draw for shit because they symbol draw anime, it's not their problem.
all the questions you have is just based on your inexperience. honestly if you want friends at cons, you need to go to more, print trade and just say hi. Finding your niche is something you will learn the more cons you do.
if your skill is good. it doesn't matter what medium you use, digital or traditional because it will show through. good art is good art. it's a pet peeve of mine whenever some people have a preference to one or feel like the two is different. ti's just using different tools.
from the sounds of it, you just haven't gotten used to photoshop, just keep on practising or make sure your traditional pieces when scanned in retains it's quality. and since you don't like doing digital art just don't do it, there's no point in doing something you don't like
I'm not, but I'm glad I'm not the only one with these problems! We can be artless friends together if you want, A-anon
>if your skill is good. it doesn't matter what medium you use, digital or traditional because it will show through. good art is good art. it's a pet peeve of mine whenever some people have a preference to one or feel like the two is different. ti's just using different tools.
Thank you for your honest opinion! I've often heard that traditional art might be shit for prints, or how digital art is soooo much better because x, so I got the impression that there might be a tendency to prefer digital art. I still wanna learn some basic stuff, but I know I'll never be amazing at digital art, so I'll focus on traditional art.
I plan to go to more conventions this year, and I'm planning to do an art tumblr so that I have a portfolio and some potential followers. I really want to focus on getting an online presence this year, going to cons and improving my art skills, and maaayyyybe I'll try to apply for a small con AA in 2017.
Anything I should look out for on cons especially? Next time I'll try to get more pics of set ups and buy more prints. I also thought about getting more commissions, just to see how other artists handle these, what they charge, and maybe get the chance to talk to someone.
I think it's really based on influences growing up and the aesthetics you're introduced to early on. I can't quite explain, it's just one of those things that's just... A thing, you know? I guess the best way I can think of at the moment is the difference between Asian "cute" and Westernized "cute". Asian "cute" is summed up of things like rilakkuma, hello kitty, neko atsume. Westernized "cute" is summed up of things like shopkins, my little pony, and beanie boos. Hell, just take a look and compare the attractions/souvenirs/foods of America's Disney parks and Tokyo Disney. The aesthetics are just plain different because the audience grew up to find said aesthetic more appealing and charming.
There's really no use in trying too hard to draw more like someone of Asian descent. More than likely you'll just have that "tumblr" style everyone is talking about. Just draw how you normally do and you'll improve and grow your own way.
I'm assuming people say that because traditional art doesn't print well if not scanned and corrected right?
I do a mix of both traditional and digital and I always filter and clean my traditional pieces so it's ready for print. I've noticed that many people don't do that with their traditional pieces and it looks dirty/messy.
sorry, but i'm not going to spoon feed you which cons to go to ( if that's what you meant?) but everything you've mentioned you should just do it. get a art tumblr right now and start updating. stop waiting, open your commissions up. and look for local cons to apply to right now.
>I'm assuming people say that because traditional art doesn't print well if not scanned and corrected right?
>I do a mix of both traditional and digital and I always filter and clean my traditional pieces so it's ready for print. I've noticed that many people don't do that with their traditional pieces and it looks dirty/messy.
Thanks anon! I've been fine with a scanner and I usually try to edit my pics so they look good on screen. If I ever do prints I would do a few test runs for the best print editing method.
>sorry, but i'm not going to spoon feed you which cons to go to ( if that's what you meant?)
No need to do that (we are probabyl not rom the same country anyway, Eurofag here)!
>but everything you've mentioned you should just do it. get a art tumblr right now and start updating. stop waiting, open your commissions up. and look for local cons to apply to right now.
I'll do so! I actually already have a side blog but I was too lazy to set up a theme and stuff. But I shall do it now. If you mind, do you have any tips on how to get exposure on tumblr? Besides drawing for popular fandoms I have no idea.
Like any other social media, you just need to tag properly. Post at high traffic times. Submit to blogs who will promote your shit. If you follow people or like a lot of their works, they will probably take a look at your stuff and reblog it if they like it.
Sorry, I can't help you with tumblr :(, I honestly have no idea. I only have a few k followers and desu, it makes no difference with sales. My friend who have no online presence makes more then all my friends who have millions+ views on deviantart. I'm sure if you keep at it consistently, make great work and show off a great personality you will eventually get the following you desire :).
>Oh , she's actually a really good artist wtf
Are we looking at the same artist? All she does is genereric tumblr art, and not even good one. Most content is just a character from a popular fandom in an uninspired pose, no background, nothing interesting. I've seen far better even from generic tumblr artists.
Sage for OT
Yeah, though I'd never do it for a con considering material and labor cost. You also have to realize that 99% of the people at a convention won't know the difference between an actual silkscreen/linocut/etc. and a digital print, nor will they give a fuck.
Hell, most people can't fucking tell the difference between weight of paper shit's printed on.
Well you could try, no one is stopping you. It just sounds like a wasted attempt. These non-western artists are just doing what feels natural to them. Doing it out of force is always obvious.
I don't really know what you want me to do. Make a folder of your favorite anime art and just study why you like it so much. Figure it out and apply it to your own art. No promises on the results.
Nah, not at all. I also didn't mean to imply that anything not anime-style is horrible in my last post. I think there are plenty of people/artists that find their own, non-anime style that's really cute/good/works in their own unique way. Sorry if I came off salty lol.
>it's just sad to sometimes see it treated like it's a childish style
I think that's why a lot of people past their twenties are trying to move away from anime because they associate it with their weeb, younger past. But nah man, sure some people can see it and associate with Naruto and be like "that's so immature/weebish" and yeah Naruto is overrated and stupid but the art's pretty well-balanced and nice. If you're working towards an "anime" style aesthetic, I say fucking go for it and good on you for trying. It's not easy, especially with pressure from others you may be facing on how it's "childish" but some people can't separate the talent it takes to achieve the anime style from the retarded fandoms and stereotypes that stem from the "anime culture." So pretty much what I'm trying to say is if you like and wanna keep getting better at it, more power to ya mate.
Ayy, I know what you mean. And it's not to say Western artists don't produce good stuff, it's just that I personally prefer Asian/Eastern styles more. Pic related, it's Chinese and sure the faces/anatomy can be a bit wonky sometimes, but the artists' humor is 10/10.
Again, sorry for the essay lol.
square is great, my friends love paypal for larger business stuff
I don't pass down card fees to customers becuase its 3% but some people do and add a dollar surcharge to milk more money outta people but whatever.
keep 40 of change in your till at the beginning, mostly in 5s and ones. everyone on friday pays with 20s and god DAMN
It prints fine with black for me, but many of my friends had an issue with the black ink coming off for some reason. I've used this paper with three different printers, Canon and Brother, and never had any problems with it. Maybe I'm just lucky? I don't believe you can use it for kiss cutting (I just cut out each sticker by hand), but I don't have a machine for that so I don't know for sure.
As for contact paper, I just peel it off, stick it onto the sticker paper, and remove any bubbles. There's a lot of different kinds of contact paper, and you want to make sure that the kind you get REALLY sticks to the sticker paper. Mine is actually shelf liner from the kitchen department of Target, but it's transparent, not too thick, sticks like hell, and pretty cheap.
how do people feel about original art?
if someone has a decent level of skill, would you say it's viable to sell more original than fan art?
Also, what kinds of original work have you seen in AA before?
sorry if dumb question, I've never tabled before, and was just curious about the idea
generally, original art will not sell more than fanart. it's the way of the beast, unfortunately.
I sell fanart alongside original art, and generally people will buy stuff that fits their own personal aesthetic (ie: I sell a bunch of deer and everyones gay for deer right now, or skeletons are big with others, or sushi and stuff like that).
For original art I'd definitely keep that stuff on like stickers and bookmarks when you're starting, because the fanart will be what draws people towards your table, but people with higher standards will be drawn to look at your table and be more likely to buy something that isn't fandom specific.
Just don't sell your ocs unless you want to live in a box (unless you sell comics)
I like original art of monster girls, I would buy stuff like that that was original & I see a lot of people doing that at least online.
I think if you appeal to a certain aesthetic it will sell like appealing to a certain fandom. But I would definitely find out what people actually like before putting a lot of resources into selling original stuff. Meh fandom stuff will still sell but there's not a chance in selling meh originals.
I did a bunch of original art with cute animals and so far my original posters have been one of the most popular items at my table these past few cons. They just as much as the popular fanart posters I have and more than the less popular/obscure fanart posters.
Like other anons have said having a certain theme or aesthetic, it'd be best.
>It hurts because if they were original characters I would probably like them just fine.
Fucking this. Is your OC a genderqueer polyamorous asexual aromantic black Muslim-Bhuddist autistic womyn with at least three disabilities? OK. Just don't shoehorn all your escapist victim fantasies into a series about goddamn idols whose looks and ability to function under stress are important to the story.
I swear, you can almost taste the desperation in the art tag sometimes.
Could it be the colour palette and softer lines? I've noticed that a lot of Western anime art uses very strong, bright colours, and usually harsher lines, like a reverse JJBA. It might be useful if you copied generic cutesy art from something like a notepad to see if the end result looks more like what you want, figure out what you did differently, and redraw some pieces you weren't happy with to see if it makes a difference.
This. My animation professors all told us the same thing. "Don't draw anime. Animation studios HATE anime and they won't hire you if you draw it!" This was while stuff like "Totally Spies!" and "Teen Titans" was airing, but they had mostly worked for Nickelodeon or doing animation for network websites. Back then, I tried to push myself to draw more like the Scott Pilgrim guy. It wasn't very good or distinct, but my professors loved it.
Nowadays, I just kind of go with what I like. It's still sort of in that weird "Well, Yeah, this is anime, but it's kinda weird anime" area, but it's a lot better than when I was forcing myself to draw more like Western TV stuff.
I sell some original art alongside my fanart, and surprisingly it's gotten the same if not more attention than my fanart. I draw a lot of monsters so I guess it attracts people who like creepy stuff.
From what I've seen it's mostly cute stuff on buttons or stickers. Some trends I've seen lately are corgis, cats, and sushi. There was an artist that did really nice drawings of food.
Not necessarily, I don't think. Plenty of Asian artists use bright, strong color palettes and plenty also use harsh lines. Pigeon666 uses color really boldly and vividly but their art still maintains that non-westernized style.
It doesn't stop at just anime. I've seen Steven Universe fanart done by Asian artists and though they draw in a more cartoon style, it's still obviously drawn by an Asian person.
God yeah. People who make these types of try-hard diverse "versions" of anime characters just don't seem to... Understand the original appeal? The Love Live girls are appealing and charming because of their moe girl personalities and styles. They're generic moe fanservice girls who's purpose is to just be that: moe fanservice girls. I'm not complaining, that's just what they are and Tumblr fanartists don't accept that. They can't accept that this media isn't actually a social step forward and it's just another media that appeals to the masses of sweaty nerds.They're not meant to be some social statement on the diversity and flexibility of idol girls.
Keeping it artist alley related: What are some new products people have been experimenting with? I've been meaning to try out eye masks but unsure if it's really worth it for the price and hassle.
I do think that's a rather big component, they just draw what they find appealing rather then trying to stand out by making their art more diverse or unique and THAT's why it stands out.
Ugh, seriously. If you want the Love Live girls to be black, just draw them as slim, fit black girls who can sing and dance. Because they're idols. That's what the point of idols is.
As for new products, I've been contemplating hats and headdresses, but I don't know if it would be worth selling them at an AA. I'll probably sell a few online though, they take quite a bit of time to make and it'd be easier to make them MTOs instead of lugging a bunch around. I'm still fiddling about with proportions and materials, but it's pretty good fun.
Yeah. Instead of making interesting fanart they make the characters "more interesting" to their liking. AKA making the character something entirely different from who they originally are.
Yup. Idols are so specific in Japanese culture. They behave and look a certain way to fit idol standards. Like, okay, if you want them tanner or a little chubbier sure, but changing them so much to fit your own ideals just takes away that 'idol'-ness from them. Have they never seen the seiyuu who do the performances? That's what idols are.
Oh cool, headdresses. Would you make them as original creations or for a series? I've rarely seen any hats done in the AA except the anime trash ones.
When I applied for my current college, one of my previous profs from my previous college explained to me why exactly anime is not taken seriously as an art form, and while I was at my first college I understood this because there was a girl in my program who was one of the people who make people not want to take anime art seriously.
He told me: "Anime style art isn't taken so seriously and is really usually frowned upon because they can never tell what's copied or not. There are a lot of people out there who take screenshots from anime and just copy that directly and call it their own when really that's just plagarism. There are so many people who apply to colleges with portfolios that include this kind of "anime art" that it's just gotten to the point where it left a bitter taste in the art world. Now though, it seems that anime is starting to pick up in popular culture it's a lot more accepted but a lot of schools don't want it in their portfolios because they want to see what else the artist can do since so many applicants in illustration based programs can do anime art."
My portfolio for my current school, I was told not to include anime art but once I actually started at the school, they really didn't care. My program coordinator who told me "no anime in portfolios" was actually one of my profs and our final in that class was to replicate the Mona Lisa in an art style of an established living artist. I went for Takashi Murakami's anime style to see what would happen and she fucking loved my art piece.
So it's not really a matter of them not exactly liking it, it's more like they don't want people to submit copy work because that so often happens.
Also sorry for the long post haha.
I don't want to make my post longer, else I'd go on with the story of how a girl in my program managed to copy the design and name of a character from an anime and played him off as her own.
All this talk of displays, but what's the best way to store your non-display merch at your table? What's the best way to keep your 20+ prints ready to go, and how do you organize those dozens of buttons?
This image just baffles me. Nozomi clearly isn't fat in the series, and IIRC, Nico is one of the paler characters. If it wasn't for the hair styles, I wouldn't recognize some of them.
>What's the best way to keep your 20+ prints ready to go
There are so many ways to do it, but I prefer an art portfolio (the black thin ones that come with shoulder straps). I don't have a lot of prints so that works for me, and then I place a sticky note on the first of every design with a description of the print so it's quick to pick out.
>and how do you organize those dozens of buttons?
see pic. I got something similar from Dollarama here in Canada that has removable walls inside so if I have more of a certain series I can change the inner layout. And then I just place small labels on the outside with the series/character names
I keep buttons and the printed circles in boxes with dividers, you can get them at most craft stores. For prints I keep them in a flat box and just use a post it note to mark where different designs are.
Sorry. I was kind of rambling when I asked "payments".
Good to know about square, it seems to be the most commonly used. How do you (or anyone else) feel about the PayPal reader? I looked into it and like the inventory feature.
When I said "handing payments" I guess I was rambling about the whole subject in general. Sorry if I was a little unclear.
Regarding till money DESU those were numbers I was kind of guessing since I work in retail. Wanted feedback just incase. Thank you again anon!
Sure, but she's a hell of a lot better than that one pic would lead you to believe. Pic related, I'd go so far as to call it cute.
Would the hassle of carrying around and watching over your button maker be worth being able to sell a custom/make your own button kind of thing? The novelty sounds nice, but the drawing in a one or two inch diameter surface sounds like hell.
If I didn't know it was Love Live, I'd think it was just some white girl in cosplay lolita. Her Rin is not cute.
Also attached, more examples of Tumblr style art. Again, if I didn't know it was Love Live I wouldn't know who these characters were.
I've purchased make-your-own buttons before and I loved them. You got to draw your own face on Blanca from Animal Crossing and then they punched it for you. I thought it was pretty cool.
On the whole subject of style and anime between western and asian artists, even in this sketch you can clearly see it was done by someone in Asia (Korean in this case, not Japanese).
I feel like it's because they just try to draw what is pretty rather then always focusing on what technically works (as in anatomy and such) which is not to say that most of these artists still have way better anatomy then your average tumblr artist.
Comparing it to this >>8801793 even if that's not really trying to be anime, you can see how their drawing uses way more rounded shapes, something you don't see the same way in art by Asians.
Sorry for all the rambling, I just think it's interesting how even if it's the same style you can still tell what region the artists live in.
I've done custom buttons before, it's actually not too bad to draw (I have a 1.25" maker) as long as you stick to something simple. I've done goofy ones too that are just black and white and pretty fun to draw. Just make sure you charge a good amount of you're doing them alongside regular commissions.
Tbh pandering seem to be the only way to make money anymore from my personal experience.
Steven Universe is what sold last year at my cons. Undertale and OPM are most likely what are gonna sell this year.
I dont think im gonna do one this year.
Undertale fans will rip your shit apart if you try selling anything based off that. The creator isn't okay with it and it's like homestuck, you'll get dirty looks and lectures I'm sure.
lol speaking of which, did anyone ever find out who that one scumbag artist selling undertale at sacanime was? Saw some attendees toting around the print for a good portion of the con. I heard that the artist was chewed out by staff but the artist was pretty stubborn about it. Anyone who went to sacanime this past weekend know the full story?
Ah,didn't know this.
Well I guess its just OPM and SU again. Im sure SU art will sell again since this censorship thing.
Someone was selling undertale at a con a month or two ago and I didnt see any drama there. It was like Lolita Sans and full on scenes of battles though, not just straight up drawing characters like >>8802184 is asking
I think westerners focus too much on coloring/shading and I don't know exactly how to say this but I kind of want to call it "shape blocking." Like you know how every how-to-draw book advises making figures with basic shapes like cylinders and circles? It's like most of them draw a bunch of lumps and then draw the character over them. I know a lot of cartoons have shape-based characters also but it makes their drawings lack the decent structure most other artists have in comparison.
No I get what you mean, they focus too much on shapes and often seem to pay less attention on what looks nice vs what is more technically correct.
Also you see way less Asian artist using muddy shading while even with some otherwise great Western artist who still have this weird grey and muddy shading..
I made a chart using love live fanart since that seems to be where it started. Sorry, but I lost some sources for the drawings on the right.
The drawings on the left are simply more appealing and cute in a way the drawings on the right cannot compare. The right is so bland and lacks charm the way the drawings on the left do. The artists' sensibilities are very clear and obvious when shown side by side. There is a huge gap that is just not reachable by the artists shown on the right.
It's really interesting that you can tell. I can't say completely why either, just that it looks nice when Asian people draw anime.
I dunno. I think there's such a thing as east Asian aesthetic, but I don't buy that a certain ethnicity will draw a certain way. Pic related, three works by three different people. One of them is non Asian while the other two are. Can you really say for sure which ones are Asian just from the kind of style they lean towards?
Self bias, but I definitely think it's more a matter of where you were raised than what ethnicity you are. I'm asian and I definitely think I draw like a westerner, no matter how much I try to emulate asian styles.
I won't argue that there are certain artistic qualities and stylistic choices that a person who identifies as Asian, might be more exposed to (watching more anime as a kid, for example). However, I don't see any reason why a non-Asian couldn't match these qualities/stylistic choices if they had the skill and similar influences. Art is a learned skill, you know.
Also, comparing more professional, well-established artists (who do art for a living) with amateur/hobbyist artists (with barely 60 followers) isn't very indicative of what type of art appeals.
>huge gap that is not reachable by western artists
lol nice try
pic related are all non-asian artists
skill and style =/= ethnicity specific
>Art is a learned skill
This is key.
I think one reason why it seems like more Asian artists draw "better" than Western artist isn't inherently their ethnicity but their training. At least in Korea, lots of art schools and art training schools have a very heavy emphasis on draftsmanship, fluidity, composition, anatomy, and just general artistic discipline. As a result, your average Korean who's gone to a cram school for art or art school is probably very competent at general drawing, drafting, etc. and has a skill set that translates pretty easily into pretty anime drawings. I imagine it's the same for a bunch of other Asian countries.
Compare that to your average Western artist and your "average" Western art school. In general, there's more of an emphasis on expression and creativity than there is on discipline or any "hard skills" that help tremendously when creating an appealing drawing.
But, again, these are just very rough generalizations. When you get more specific and start looking at very specific types of training programs, you get variations in style. For example, someone who's done a program like Concept Design Academy in SoCal or gone to an atelier art program will probably come out with excellent painting, lighting, and compositional skills- less "anime" shit, but probably way better at concept art, illustrations, backgrounds, etc. They'll also be leagues better than an artist who just went to a place like Institute of the Arts or even more general art schools like SCAD/SVA/Academy of Art/etc and went for a more general degree like illustration or comicking.
I've noticed it is a weird blend of anatomy and line quality. I can just tell because asian artists have this slightly off way of drawing anatomy where I can tell they primarily learned from manga and those tutorials that float around pixiv. Western artists tend to be more diverse in inspiration since it's pushed to draw from life and DON'T DRAW ANIME! The digital brushes westerners prefer are different (stumpy pencil, for example) than the smoother brushes asians prefer. Like that other anon said, you can just tell what influences an artist grew up with from their art. Asian art is going to look more distinctly anime because that is what they grew up around, and aren't actively pushed to not draw it like westerners are.
Now you HAVE to tell the story of anime plagerism girl.
I had a character design class where a girl would have a different OC everyweek that was always a direct rip off of different anime or game characters. My friends and I would see who could figure out which character it was first and point it out during critique.
>way to be ignorantly be racist while trying to disprove racism
How many cons are you planning on going to this year? Will you be selling at them, as well?
I won't be leaving the Atlanta area, myself. AWA AA registration is usually in March, but there's no info on this year so far.
Oh my god she's done stuff like this on multiple occasions. The instance I'm talking about right now, it was Mephisto from Blue Exorcist. We had an assignment where we had to design a super hero or a super villain, and it's not like this prof wouldn't allow anime art because I submitted a magical girl and got a 95 on it. It was a matter of how much detail we put into the story with concept to go along with it. So this one her, I'll call her C. C drew a hero and a villain. Pretty sure her "hero" was a girl who could time travel and her design was a copy from some dress up game she played online. Her villain, as I mentioned earlier was pretty much Mephisto. Same EXACT design, but she just changed his colours. She even kept his exact name. A lot of people in my class, specifically the people in my friend group, could tell who it was. One friend actually also pointed out that a little demon creature thing she drew was a digimon. It was embarrassing to watch. To top it off, she COULD NOT take criticism at all. She would have temper tantrums because people tried to give her constructive criticism or inform her of her plagarism. She's stormed out of the classroom in the middle of other people's presentations too before because she'd be trying to rush to finish one of her art projects and it wouldn't be going well for her.
There was no way she seriously wanted to be an artist, it was obvious she was in the program for weeby reasons, like wanting to be a manga artist to go and make are in great Nippon~ We kind felt bad for her because she was not cut out to be an artist at all.
Oh yeah forgot to mention, a lot of her art was of Vocaloids too, and pretty sure they were all based off of using bases and designs from dress up games if they weren't plagiarized characters and designs.
>How many cons are you planning on going to this year?
I try to go to all of the cons I can in the area, there are maybe like 8 or 9
>Will you be selling at them, as well?
I may only sell at like half of them this year since I'm just getting started and want to stay away from the bigger cons (more expensive + more people)
Where do you guys go to find table partners or people selling their artist alley tables? I really want to try Anime Matsuri this year because it's local for me and I figured with all the drama some people might be selling their tables but maybe not.
>I think one reason why it seems like more Asian artists draw "better" than Western artist isn't inherently their ethnicity but their training.
anon, you don't see shit and mediocre art by asians because you don't live in asia. you're the weeb equivilent of the 'born in the wrong era' guy whining about how literally everyone in the past was better at art while cradling a book of rembrandt etchings.
I have a question about using the actual titles of shows/mangas to advertise your merch at cons (putting up signs saying something like "OPM stickers!"). I'm kind of confused becuase I heard that Funimation doesn't allow artists to use logos of their licensed shows, but is it just logos or are titles off limits as well?
Going to 8, maybe 9 cons this year! Two of them being out of state so I'm pretty excited about that.
I usually sell at most of the cons I attend, but if I don't get into fanime I still plan on attending just to experience a norcal con.
Is it weird if you table by yourself at your first con? My first con is coming up pretty soon and I'll be tabling by myself with a friend as a helper. Would it seem too idk arrogant for a beginner to do this?
I did a solo table since my very first alley... I just don't have artist friends. My one other artist friend needs a full table to accommodate all her stuff to sell and I'm the same way.
I don't know about your school, but mine takes plagiarism pretty seriously in the art department, and if you and your classmates are continually pointing out the things she's copying your professor should have had a talk with this weeb a long time ago because she's jeopardizing her degree.
I recently found a supplier for rolls of holographic lamination film. The maximum width isn't very wide (a little over 6 inches) but it's perfect for smaller items like buttons/bookmarks/miniprints.
I've been playing around with it all day and it looks like it bubbles a lot more on glossy paper (the mini print) and sticks perfectly on matte (the button)!
I've been to cons where they asked all the artists to take down any signage with show titles on them even if they weren't Funimation properties. Even western stuff like Steven Universe and Dragon Age were affected so I think more and more cons are trying to steer artists away from labeling their merch with the official titles.
My first time I sold in AA I went on the con forum and looked for someone willing to split a table with me and a friend. I had very little since I was trying to be over zealous. It was a mistake. The girl we tabled with was batshit and screamed at me because I refused to be her taxi. Her art was printed photos she took with a camera of art that apparently wasn't drawn by her but her friends. And some of it was lined paper too. All of it was awful. She flipped shit cause my friend and I were doing really well and she hadn't sold a thing. Just be cautious.
You should either avoid putting a title altogether, or do like other anons have suggested and somehow change the title. Not sure if abbreviations contentious with Funimation or not, but I do know that their lawyer attends some of the bigger cons and will ask you to take down items with logos or show titles. If a show has a well known abbreviation like FMA, I would avoid that, too.
Show logos are the most explicitly forbidden, but I don't know whether items like the stylized flamel or transmutation circle (to use FMA as another example) would be something that they'd take issue with as well. I've never had any of my works that included the flamel taken down, but it's always better to be safe than sorry, though.
Eugh, sorry anon. Some people are so delusional about their art. Who would want to buy something made on lined paper??? At my last con my friend and I had a girl approach us for an at trade, talking about how excited she was to try selling at that same convention next year. She showed us examples of her art on her cellphone because she only brought pens with her to I guess do her half of the trade on the spot (?), and they were all God awful. Like really bad examples from a "how to draw manga" book. And they were drawn in glitter gel pen and she said she usually charged 10c each. She wanted to trade my friend for a $10 item and didn't seem to grasp that she would have to draw 100 terrible glitter doodles to match it's value if she was selling her "art" for 10c. And she wanted to buy a $125+ artist space. That's a lot of glitter.
I didn't want to laugh in her face so I had to just walk away while my friend struggled to politely get her to move on.
Basically weird red noses, race bending, adding leg/armpit hair and various stretch marks, and just dressing them in shitty fashion.
I think Nonon Jakuzure? It looks nothing like her, but I think she was the only pink haired character in KLK. I wouldn't recognize her if not for the other characters.
This is a pretty extreme example of "tumblr art" but it hits the nail on the head. A lot of people also like to make the characters look as awkward as possible: hunched over, inward facing knees etc. all while trying really hard to be "not anime."
I'm looking at a few short events in my area, not set in stone but my likely options:
- Anime Revolution: winter (it's a month away and they haven't put out any info, already subscribed to get some notification...)
- Summer Fest
I don't think I have the energy this year to do any of the larger and pricier cons around here, plus the conditions I've seen artists been put through at AE, NWFF, and AR makes me very wary about tabling.
Good point, I never thought of it that way! Guess I'm still a bit bummed about not seeing some of my fave artists get a spot and not focusing on some of the positives of lottery systems.
I'm working on some charm designs and I would love feedback! Do you think these designs like these sell at a con?
Really cute anon! But I agree with what's been said. Not sure how big these will be, but Nozomi might look too messy as a smaller charm. Maybe go with a light red brown for the boarder. I'd also say revisit the bird's face area because it feels a bit wonky to me, but that's pretty nit-picky. It's just a silly cute bird so no big deal.
>Some trends I've seen lately are corgis, cats, and sushi.
Is it just me or are birds - specifically parrots and doves - picking up as well?
I'm a bird nerd by nature so I've always ended up hovering around booths selling anything parrot-related, but it seems like after Hatoful Boyfriend came out, becausebirds took off on tumblr, and people started getting cockatoo videos to hundreds of thousands of notes, my friends suddenly seemed to care way more about birbs than they used to. I certainly don't remember seeing stuff like cockatiel and budgie plushies at cons before a year or two ago, but there were at least two or three booths with them at Ikkicon this year.
I think Hatoful Boyfriend might have helped the bird trend, but I honestly haven't seen too much at the cons I've been at? Though I've definitely seen a lot of birds on my tumblr dash, I guess they're the next cute animal trend- not that I'm complaining! Cocktails and budgies are definitely the most popular of birds.
They're a cute style and I really like the flowers but like others have mentioned they're quite busy. It's easy to lose detail depending on the size you're working with so some things might get lost or blend. First thing I noticed was your lines are quite jagged at certain areas. Not sure if you've been erasing them or your pen is doing something but the lines for example at the birds wings are strange. Since the eyes are so bright on the left I suggest you add more detail or darken the base colour a bit so the details you already have stand out more. They give off a flat appearance the way they are now whereas the one's on the right have a bit more life in them.
I played around with some palettes and added some depth to the left's eyes. I tried lots of different colours for the frame but looking at the green now I'm not so sure if it's good or not. There's quite a few colours so it's hard to find one that matches but doesn't clash. Right charm is good but maybe a tad bit washed out.
i want to draw things as kitschy vintage japanese pose dolls but i'm not sure if it translates lol this is a test drawing
The idea is very cute, but the colours don't work well. They are too bright, and the pink was used too often at the bottom making it hard to distinguish the details.
Also, if you want to go for characters such as Chibiusa (I assume you do from the drawing+filename) you might wanna stick to her "typical" and wlel known colour scheme (white, several shades of pink, etc) to make her more recognizable. What exactly are those things on her hair, too? And dat cat needs... Work.
All in all I love the idea and the concept; her face and pose is adorable! Just change the colours and think about what concept exactly you are going for.
First look for reference pics of the character, and see what colours are used. Since Chibiusa has various outfits, decide for one; you could take her regular school uniform or her sailor scout outfit as well as her fancy white neo Queen Serenity-like dress. It is up to you what you choose.
For the bottom/ground part, use darker colours that stand more visible against her general lighter colour scheme. Dark green, dark blue, maybe change the roses to a white colour so they stand out in the water and against chibiusa and match the cat.
(Btw, Chibiusa is usually associated with Diana, the grey cat, But that is just my nerd speaking.)
I hope this was somewhat helpful for a first step!
I actually really like the cat. I think it's cute in a quick colored pencil doodle kind of way. I'd prefer if Chibiusa's face was actually a little less realistic and more quick doodle-ish as well but I get that her current look is the aesthetic you're going for.
Seconding all the anons with the colors and outfit stuff.
Well, what are you good at? Prints don't do great online, and people might be put off by small things with relatively high shipping (as in, the item costs almost as much as the shipping, so even if it's still a reasonably low price they'll feel it's too high). I don't know what kind of charms you mean either- are you talking about Fimo charms or acrylic charms? They both have different price points, and require vastly different skills. If you're going for clay try to keep it clean, wipe your product with rubbing alcohol to get rid of fingerprints and make sure that you don't have any sort of unintentional unevenness or smudging. If you're making something like food charms it's super easy to accidentally mix layers, like the cake and its filling, and while it wouldn't make the charm unsellable at a con people are a lot less forgiving when buying online.
If you're making small charms, put them on something. Seriously. One charm= £1.50. Same charm on a chain=£5.00.
If you're going for the other charms, draw lots of things from popular series. If you make stuff that's just come out- Garnet's first fusion comes to mind- you have more chance of getting people to buy your shit, because chances are there aren't many other people with those options. Keep things clean, use a simple but eye-catching colour palette, and experiment with saturation and line thickness to see which combination looks best. Aim for something that looks uncluttered and professional.
There are lots of things you can sell, such as jewellery, clothes/accessories, bags, and phone cases. The more unusual the product the more people will want to buy it. As long as you advertise your shop well and photograph everything nicely (and please, please learn to shoop the pics, even if you take a good picture tweaking the saturation and light can make it brilliant) and have some 3-4 pictures.
Post here when you're ready, too, you'll get advice and traffic.
Comicons on average will always be larger because they cater to not just comics, but vidya, anime, movies, etc. They attract everyone, casuals included, so they'll be larger than an equivalent niche con like anime.
I sell well at Comicons because a lot of anime fans attend, and then can't find any anime merch so I have very little direct competition.
General question: What is the worst AA-table you have ever seen? Bad exampley of AA, etc? If possible, post pics!
At the last con there was one artist who sold prints and art clearly catering to lolicon. He had huge posters and prints with - even by anime standars - seriously young looking anime characters in all kinds of vaguely to directly sexual positions and situation, and while his artwork was pretty decent, it was so uncofortable to look at since it was heavy lolicon-baiting that I never saw a single customer there when I passed by. Seems like almost no one wanted to be seen purchasing loli art, especially since the table was at a crowded area and there was zero privacy.
Charms are good, I'd say buttons and stickers might be as well. It helps if you have nice accessories that come with it, I always like when I see that an artist has nice charm loops and little accessories included. Phone jacks are also a nice extra to include as an option! Also taking good pictures of your items and having a nice display thumbnail definitely helps sales.
I've seen some that obviously belonged to first-timers, with small prints unevenly taped up onto pipes and sloppy hand-written signs, some with really bad quality scans of artwork. At last Fanime, there was an artist who sat directly behind me who was a bit awkward and quiet, it didn't seem like he had any friends around, my friend and I felt bad and tried to talk to him a bit. His art wasn't the worst, the technical stuff was passable but it was mostly anthromorphized ponies and poorly-drawn pinup anime girls on a small display, with the rest of the prints in a pile. I don't know if he made any sales. There was another guy the first time I tabled at Sacanime who just had 5 paintings with him of weird psychedelic imagery and pot leaves, I don't think he made any sales either.
Will probably never get over a booth I saw at YaoiCon my first year there. The guy had almost an entire wall to himself full of heavily-rendered, graphite drawings of every imaginable male fictional character from a very wide range of fandoms just standing their in various poses with their exaggeratedly large schlongs out.
I mean, if I saw the table now, I'd probably think it's pretty funny, but when I was younger, and despite being at YaoiCon, it was a bit much to take in. I noticed a lot of people awkwardly trying to avoid his booth, which was hard because it was right next to the entrance/exit.
oh thank you, anon, I really appreciate it! I have them listed as coming soon on my store because I'll be selling the stock I have at ALA at the end of this month. After the 31st they'll be up again with available stock and potentially preorders for charms that might be out of stock. Thanks for expressing some interest!
Do any of you guys have recommendations on where to get inspo for notebook designs? I've checked etsy and storenvy but all I get is mostly text based covers rather than design oriented ones
And if you don't mind, what sorts of designs do you like? Maybe share your current/past favorite notebooks.
Don't do it. They're getting away with it NOW, but they're not going to get away with it once Disney catches on. Two things I don't fuck with: Homestuck and Disney. I'll draw anything else. ANYTHING. But I'm not touching those two.
Plenty of people sell big hero 6 and frozen prints / merch since the movies came out fine. I feel like the over zealous disney stuff is only for the mickey mouse crew (mickey, minnie, donald, etc etc). Idk.
i tried to apply everyone's critique to my initial drawing (forgive the sloppy linework, this is just kind of a sketch/concept drawing, nothing serious). Am I going in the right direction with this? lol
oh thank you! I actually don't really have any social media with my artwork right now. For the past few years art has been a very on-and-off thing for me but I really want to try to pursue it full time again. thank you sincerely for the motivation though, i'll post here when i have something!
hmm.. I would think those that could get in trouble are those that literally draw the characters from disney literally - meaning no "parody" in the print itself. I've only seen a tiny few that did some sort of mash-up with some parody-theme, those I think are at least efforting the parody-aspect to circumvent a c&d order.
Anime EDs. It sounds weird, but they tend to have more space for credits, so it's easier to see how the images would work in a notebook. They give me ideas for the cover, too, but mainly the pages.
I wanted to say thanks to the handful of you guys that gave me critique/encouragement, it actually really motivated to clean this drawing up and play with different ideas. i ordinarily would just get frustrated and stop at the "sketch" phase and not ever finish it. Can anyone recommend me like, a place to start up a small online store for just simple prints and stuff?
Your style is so precious! I would personally start working on a social media presence first, I think your style would do really well on instagram it's easier to build up a follower base then start using tumblr/facebook/twitter etc. As for a small store I'd recommend storeenvy or tictail.
Artists have been so gung-ho about not doing Star Wars fanart since the new movie came out but I honestly agree with the other anons. You're just as likely to get in trouble for doing Marvel stuff or Gravity Falls as they're both Disney. There's a shitton of Frozen stuff at cons too.
Imo, jump on the bandwagon & make cash while you can. It's not very likely you'll be slapped with a C&D unless you're actively promoting the hell out of it online. Be smart and just sell your Disney merch at cons. If you do sell it online, don't put it in the marketplace or tag it - just redirect people from your own social media presence.
The only thing I'd worry about is the Mickey stuff like >>8805791 said.
Completely new to this stuff, and only vaguely heard something about Homestuck not being allowed before, but now I see I should look out for Disney. Are there any others I should be aware of?
I'm from Aus, so I'm also wondering if there are different attitudes/regulations- I've seen stalls based primarily on selling art of Disney princesses and/or Star Wars, without any (known) problems.
Would it be appropriate for me to post something like this here? I found it and with all the hype about the new donut dress I thought it was pretty neat. www dot etsy dot com slash listing slash 259590605 slash donut-bow-tie-magnet
Also: how ita would I be if I wore a perler bead thing in my hair as part of a coord?
Where can I get stuff like notepads/notebooks and card wallets made? Getmeds and jimi agency are pricey and their slots fill up fast, so I searched around alibaba but couldn't find any good suppliers. Can someone please point me in the right direction?
Seller's permit or in other words a temporary ge tax license to sell eg. conventions.
Go to your local small business government website, it should be on there - or go in person and hopefully someone will be helpful to explain it to you, hit or miss.
I think you can classify yourself under "crafts" or something to the effect you make stuff to sell, not in volume etc (shhh) I just remember seeing it pop up and I believe that was the closest thing resembling what I sell locally under.
So I've seen a lot of artist with a little bigger than 8x11 prints at cons, instead of the usual 11x17, does anyone have any experience with these? They're usually priced around $10 and they would be easier to carry around and print, opinions/experiences?
i've been thinking about selling some bit more uncommon items like hand/beach towels, umbrellas etc "useable" things with fitting anime related prints. but i don't know if it's worth the time and money, since i don't see those types of items for sale (i've seen some towels before but other than that)?