Can someone please explain to me why it's in your own best interest to earn money through "honest work" rather than through stealing or mooching?
Is it at all?
I'm looking for something a little better than name-calling, ad-homos, what your dad used to tell you and all that usual horse shit.
Looking for valid logical arguments.
Feel free to refer me to books/URLs if you don't feel like taking the time to explain it all (as long as they actually answer my question, not just to shut me up)
If you try to persuade me with insults I promise you the same in return.
I was trying to answer the question on my own.
Best I could muster is:
- to avoid jail-time
- to gain approval of your peers, which can be a valuable strategic asset, nothing to do with how you view yourself privately
Human kind evolved in a tribal society. Honest work means work, that is useful for the tribe. Someone, who is not useful for the tribe will be punished. Male cotribalists wont trust him and stand by his site in war or conflict. Female cotribalists wont mate mith him. He is an outcast. Thats why.
Stealing is against my morals and you can't live your entire life living off of stolen goods.
I'm all for mooching right now but I'd rather make something of myself in the long run. If your goal in life is to shitpost on 4chan until age 45 where you die of heart failure from too much microwave mac n cheese, then sure, do credit card fraud/mooch off your parents.
Stealing and fucking over people is best way to make money and you will need to do it when you want to run a business.
If you're not able to fuck over your competition lives with lawsuits you're not made to be a businessman and should just wageslave because there will be people willing to fuck you over
>Someone, who is not useful for the tribe will be punished.
>He is an outcast. Thats why.
So it's simply about following the rules of a society.
If you want what a society has to offer for compliance --> follow the rules. If you don't don't.
What it offers may be in your interest, or may not be.
>Stealing is against my morals
In my country it's rude not to eat ur own shit after you're done defecating. Save it.
>and you can't live your entire life living off of stolen goods
It's difficult. May not be what you want. May be exactly what you want.
>I'm all for mooching right now but I'd rather make something of myself in the long run.
Holy fuck I'm inspired. I bet your mom is proud of you. Wanna suck on my fat cock? Heard it makes something out of a man. Seriously please kill yourself.
>If your goal in life is to shitpost on 4chan until age 45
My goal is to shitpost till I'm 80, you got a problem with that?
>then sure, do credit card fraud/mooch off your parents.
You sir changed my mind. Me do no baddie cause I feel shame now. I wanna please and be good. I do goody. Fuck off.
>Stealing and fucking over people is best way to make money
Short-term maybe. Until it's out.
>If you're not able to fuck over your competition lives with lawsuits you're not made to be a businessman and should just wageslave because there will be people willing to fuck you over
Fighting doesn't make you a cheater. Lawsuits aren't illegal. They're by the book. Some people are abusing the system, I agree with that.
I'm accusing you of being jealous of people doing better than you. To not feel like an absolute piece of lowlife trash you call them thieves to feel better about yourself.
>To not feel like an absolute piece of lowlife trash you call them thieves to feel better about yourself.
this is the wagecuck mindset in general
do good but keep in mind you can bend the rules at times without hurting anyone. it should be your goal to be good nonetheless, but from the "absolute logical" standpoint of doing business,
has the right idea. it's hard to get away with something without someone knowing
>this is the wagecuck mindset in general
>do good but keep in mind you can bend the rules at times without hurting anyone.
>it should be your goal to be good nonetheless
Who are you to give me advice? Wasn't asking for any. Even if you're right.
I'm more interested to know how you arrived at your conclusions.
Do you know the difference between giving advice and proposing an argument?
If I wanted a set of instructions to follow I'd just look for someone to dominate me and become their follower.
>because it feels good to do good things and bad to do bad things
As long as "good" and "bad" isn't simply vested interest. Your parents most likely tell you to fend for yourself to get you off their neck, not because it's somehow morally beautiful.
>seriously how is this not answer #1
You confuse good/bad with interest. Being "good" isn't about simply about following orders blindly.
Nice way of putting it.
The simple and honest answer is that theft and leeching is unsustainable. You will eventually get caught/thrown-out, and it will likely come at a time you are unprepared.
Further, there is very little room for growth and you will endanger your situation by trying to. A flashy new car might attract police attention or the person you're mooching off of to renege.
>stealing and leeching is unsustainable
>little room for growth which endangers your situation
Sounds good to me.
This especially makes sense when you DO have the skills and opportunity to do things legit.
These are good, convincing reasons.
Why stir the pot when there's ways to do things smoothly?
I wonder why all the bullshit about being good/bad coming from so many people, as if it actually meant something. As if Lawful-Evil and Chaotic-Good didn't exist. What sort of a tool do you have to be to think if you follow the rules you always end up being the good guy? Life isn't like that at all.
Look at the wording of your op again.
>Can someone please explain to me why it's in your own best interest to earn money through "honest work" rather than through stealing or mooching?
If stealing and mooching are the only alternatives to "honest work", then it is morally imperative to work honestly. Starving artist is a different category.
Big thanks to you sir!!
>If stealing and mooching are the only alternatives to "honest work", then it is morally imperative to work honestly.
Why should I give two dicks about your two-faced self-serving morality? (except to avoid conflict) Take it and shove it up your ass.
This has been way too over complicated.
Living off theft and fucking people over pissing people off won't work for more than 3 years. You'll either go to jail or get killed quickly. Relatively high reward but literally certain risk of suffering soon.
This is why all career criminals are dumb. There is not a single overall smart one which ever existed.
Sustainability. Very few people are capable of screwing others over long term. You get caught or burn too many bridges or simply gain a negative reputation.
If you fuck people it's always short term, so you have to go big. And the bigger the money, the faster you burn yourself.
If you don't feel good after doing a job, you're doing the wrong job. Humans are wired to take pride in accomplishing things. Call it wageslave if you want, it applies to everything. I feel good after cleaning out the garage, building a play set for my kid, or working on my car. You would too if you took your eyes off that goal of being rich. Money is awesome and of course we all want it but shortcuts will only make you broke.
If you step outside of the law, you need to rely on yourself or your team to stop "competitors" from walking over you.
What you will have to do in terms of violence before you can afford to stop violence (i.e made enough $ to retire) will change you as a person, and there's no coming back. Money does not buy peace of mind. Unless you're clinically impervious to guilt and empathy (a psychopath), it'll eat your mind.