When did you guys realize that everyone is an asshole only looking out for their own interests and would screw anyone over for their own gain?
I used to think that most people had morals and honesty and that it was only a minority of people who were heartless and didn't care about anyone but themselves, but I think I've realized now that it's the opposite.
It's a strange realization that most people would screw anyone over behind closed doors and that fear of punishment is the only thing stopping them from doing so.
>pretty sad outlook on life. I know a lot of people who do the right thing.
I don't know man. I'm really starting to doubt whether people truly do this out of good faith/morality or just because of the social/legal stigmatization.
There is so many examples of people who "appear to do the right thing" and yet not, so I think your statment of
>I know a lot of people who do the right thing
is false. It's quite likely they only act that way outwardly because of obvious reasons.
Examples of this are numerous which include:
>Tow truck drivers abusing people in car accidents to scam them
>Police officers embezzling confiscated goods/drugs/money
>Priests gaining trust of the community then fiddling children/embezzling funds
>Companies doing things like replacing materials in products they sell with more shady/greymarket/down right toxic things because it lowers the cost
The common factor in all those examples is that on the outside they appear to be "caring" and yet do very horrible things behind closed doors where no one can see them. And that's only the ones that get caught. God knows how many things happen we just never hear about.
>Yes and you're the knight in shining armor yourself op
Didn't say I was and I'm not claiming to be.
I'm just bringing up the idea that no one is innocent and that the vast majority of people only act a certain way because of societal/legal repercussions.
It kind of does though... Obviously not everyone is doing it but like I said it's because they're afraid of the punishment versus just not doing it because it's wrong.
There's numerous more examples if you think about it. It's just a strange thing to think about for me for some reason, as a kid you kind of think "Oh most people are nice and will try to help you and the bad ones always get punished sooner or later!"
>Just because you're a rudderless sociopath doesn't make it true for everyone. Stop projecting your insecurities like a little faggot.
But it's the case anywhere you look. I already brought up numerous examples.
How does it feel to live with rose-tinted glasses where everyone is friendly and nice and all problems in the world just solve themselves?
>There is probably a lot of good things around you. You probably just fail to notice them
Yeah but it's probably done for their own benefit once again.
That guy volunteering to help the homeless/children in Africa? He's doing it to put it on his resume so it helps him get into a good school/better job/better fraternity, etc.
That "generous millionaire" donating $10 million to a hospital? He's just doing it because of taxes AND for the social recognition of having a wing built after him(again, social/monetary benefit).
That "selfless" company that is donating 10% of all earnings this month to Nigeria and re-did their product design to use less materials? They're doing it because that 10% is a small price to pay for people looking at the company much better, same with the reduced packaging materials - cheaper costs and better company reputation.
it just feels like most things are incredibly fake and everyone is out for themselves, idk senpai.
When I was younger, I'm 29 now. Not that much older, but for the chan, I'm probably consider old, anyway. My friends would go through this stage of trying to determine everyone's motives in life. Try to determine if everyone is altruistic of not. Honestly, to me, It doesn't matter. You can't control it. The only thing you can do is control your own actions.
So, if you feel that people are assholes, then be the change you want to see. Be the guy that isn't a asshole, that does things not for yourself, but for others.
I've always known it, but I got a harsh reminder the other day. Client denied payment for a change order for work necessary for the completion of the job, one I made them aware of, on the basis of "you didn't get it in writing". It's only $1500 but I was pretty pissed. Not like I'm gonna balk when I have several active jobs with them.
>So, if you feel that people are assholes, then be the change you want to see. Be the guy that isn't a asshole, that does things not for yourself, but for others.
I'm just like them though. I'm just as much of an asshole.
It's just weird to realize everyone(with a few exceptions) is fundamentally evil/greedy/self-serving.
And the ones who ARE generous and altruistic quickly get changed when they realize that the people around them for what they truly are.
Kinda gay, but I try to remind myself of "win-win or walk away" every business deal. I think it shows. Most businesses seem to enjoy working with me. They can sense wether you care or not, usually.
I know there is a philosophy that prescribes by this thinking. I think Hobbes is the philosopher. Anyway, I obviously don't agree with you, but we all experience life differently. Maybe one day, I'll say "damn, anon was right"
No I am not a "Berniefag".
I am socially centrist and economically Libertarian(not quite but close to it).
Well of course you don't "burn bridges", this would yield very little return.
I just mean more that people will morally-corrupt things if there is no repercussions or if the law is slightly iffy on that thing.
I guess it's nothing new I just had some thoughts about it recently, just kind of feels bad there is no one you can "trust", everyone out for themselves, ya know?
>Anyway, I obviously don't agree with you, but we all experience life differently. Maybe one day, I'll say "damn, anon was right"
It's just everywhere I turn it seems to be there. Watched a few documentaries on YouTube about scams mostly involving people taking advantage of others in hard times.
I've screwed over a lot of people and have worked for companies that screwed over people. At the time I was just happy about the money and didn't think how it affected other people. I guess it's just human nature to think you're the center of the world when really everyone is the center of their own world.
Just feels weird thinking that while I was enjoying the money, someone was struggling and possibly considering suicide because they signed a contract they couldn't honor and could more or less pressured into signing.
The last paragraph of this makes it pretty clear. It's because we compartmentalize everything. If we still lived in tribes it would feel worse than "weird", it would be and would feel like a betrayal of your peers. Ironically this is a consequence of " civilization "--inherent injustice
When I learned that most adults died at the hands of someone else before states existed. Obviously this was mostly due to intergroup conflict, but your tribe would only be not trying to kill you to avoid the ire/distrust of other members of the tribe. If you made yourself a problem to someone or had something they wanted you'd best bet they were plotting your death.
We didn't become super-apex preditors by being nice friendly placid peaceful animals. Humans are fucking ruthless killers and the only reason peace prevails for now is that the guys with the big sticks say it is so.
nah man, humans are the top, because we work together. Any achievement in history is done at the hands of the multitudes. Yea, maybe some guy gets credit, maybe someone organized it all, but working together is what makes humanity achieve such great things.
I always try to make it a win-win situation in everything I do. If someone asks me for help and I have time, as long as it does not affect me negatively then no problem.
If I value that person and must compromise to ensure a win-win situation, then I'll do it no problem.
Life is like a chess game, you have to look 3 steps ahead. If I have to lose a pawn to get a rook, then I'll do so
>We didn't become super-apex preditors by being nice friendly placid peaceful animals. Humans are fucking ruthless killers and the only reason peace prevails for now is that the guys with the big sticks say it is so.
True shit man. It's a sad realization.
>100 good things happen every day. And you focus on the 2 or 3 things you don't like.
For each of those 100 good things there's several hundred or more of people getting taken advantage of to varying degrees.
Ye we have the capability to cooperate, very much so. But it's not because we're all moral and upstanding. We just understand the notion of strength in numbers and punish people severely if they don't go along.
> We just understand the notion of strength in numbers and punish people severely if they don't go along.
But we don't understand strength in numbers. We expect someone else to take action and not ourselves.
President is a great example of such. Instead of people gathering to make change, it's expected of one person.
You can see this in the election present now. Bernie Sanders is being supported due to the negative outlook on corporations, but in numbers simple civilians can make such a huge change in resolving these common problems; just much to lazy or afraid to take action. Want more pay, less taxes? Gather your fellow human and make it happen, but we're caught up in next month's rent, even though we live this life and no one else does.
The people built this, the people can take it down.
The term "humane" amuses me, considering him as have the capacity to do some really horrible shit if they need to. Look at third world countries. We're lucky we live in a society with a good amount of comfort so we can afford to become more docile. I feel like serial killers are just people who never lost their primal instincts.
The fact that there's no such thing as altruism effected me for quite a while, but I've realised I just need to engage in hedonism to forget about it while I'm alive.
Yeh but in reality. Over here in real world land. The land where nurses walk through the snow for patients and strangers pull over to fix other peoples flats?
Its the same reality where your best friend fucks your girlfriend and your brother dicks you out of the inheritance.
Im not a cynic im a stoic.