Here are the real degree tiers. Pro-tip: anything that isn't actively stigmatized will still get you a non-specialized job that calls for a degree, making all bachelor's degrees effectively low-tier at worst on this scale save the ones with bad reputations.
The rest is based on a combination of salaries, employability, and social prestige.
International relations is one of 9 degrees most likely to put you at a six figure income. It also requires you to be multi-lingual and coursework typically nets you international contacts.
Mathematics has niche options available to it, plus it has intellectual credibility. It's the automatic in that any degree has plus extra credibility with some specialized routes.
Also, I should add that a degree from a prestigious university, particularly an Ivy League, bumps your degree tier up one, maybe two categories. An average state university keeps all tiers the same. Podunk university knocks down a level. I should probably post an edit with that tacked on.
Do none of you grasp reality? How is a hospitality major from the University of Las Vegas going to be "shit" compared to a JD from fucking Whittier Law School.
Stop using degrees as labels. Go to college, major in what you love doing, network yourself, get a decent job. That's all there is to it. There's no 'get-rich-quick' degree.
What would I have to do to get some kind of job as an analyst's assistant or something?
I've submitted for around 200 internships but only got 3 interviews lined up responses so far.
Tier list is pretty true. At least for the UK.
>Now I work internationally for good money
>At this point, I'll do anything to get an internship (except those sites that charge around $8000 to buy one). What can I do?
The way I got internships was meeting people at graduate events then adding them on LinkedIn. Appeal to their egos as much as you can and suck up to get an internship.
>So I just need to go find connections.
Yup. I only have maybe an hour free a day but still find time to make connections. It is a very important skill to have.
Think of it this way. Who would you rather hire for an internship?
>Autist who applied the exact same way as 1000 other people did and sounds like a robot
>Guy with initiative who says he met you before at a random networking event, says he remembers you and really wants to work with you.
I see, but I just don't know where to go at this point for this internship. I hope I'm not already too late. I just don't see any more career fairs or anything on my school's website. It's all OCR interviewing right now and I'm trying to prepare for the only 3 interviews I could get.
>I just don't see any more career fairs or anything on my school's website.
There are always business networking events going on.
The bigger ones in England are maybe >£150 to get a ticket and there are always going to be contacts there you can get infront of and make yourself memorable.
I'd definitely suggest going to one of those is there are no career fairs at your school.
What makes Business information systems top tier?
I study engineering in Germany. I speak german, english, russian and a bit french.
What language should I learn? I thought about farsi because of the lifted sanctions from iran and germany had always good connections to iran. So they gonna need a lot german engineers there in the next years. Iran also has good relations with russia so this would be a good job field for me i thought...
Other languages i am interested in are:
turkish, spanish and arabic....
Why are soft sciences like sociology and other bullshit mid tier and physics and chem low tier?
It's not like the career prospects are hugely different between the two and soft sciences are a huge joke.
I teach maths at a private school in the UK, long 8 week summer holidays, 4 weeks at christmas, school trips to new york etc. quite nice, pay is like 45k for me
But comprehensive school is just shit. 25k starting and it's basically just being a zookeeper
Go and do Engineering or something else you hate but it's "money maker". you'll be mediocre at it. Of course, you'll make money, but you won't enjoy your life. As soon as you'll realize that you'll be 50, maybe divorced (you'll put your stress on your wife and/or kids) and hated by tons of people, including close friends. Stress and mediocrity will make your life shit
>Business (Information Systems)
I assume that's 45k GBP, right? Not USD?
I'm currently a Maths zoo-keeper at an FE college for 23.2k, but I'm only on 4-day/week (full time would be 29k). I get plenty of time to tutor on my 3-day weekends and work on personal projects.
My original plan to get qualified and work in Dubai backfired by the way, although I'm getting a PGCE at the end of this year, most of those positions require a Native English Speaker, which I am not.
I'm currently applying to Finance MSc courses for a career switch, but I'm kinda fucked as I have no intern-ships. Basically what >>1072027 said, but I willingly walked my self into the graveyard for the unambitious, and I hate it. It is not how I imagined it....
How old are you/how long have you been teaching?
You have plenty of opportunities in China, but I recommend the Middle East:
>Enjoy swimming and walking on the beach at 5PM.
>Paid round flights.
>Paid transport to school.
>2k-4k GBP (depends on accommodation)
>Paid medical care.
Anyway, how do you think your experience would be viewed by a financial firms? (asking for myself)
That is definitely school dependent!
I'm an Economics and IR double major, and a bunch of people in my IR were fucking retards who barely knew about important events that were currently occurring.
I would definitely say I was one of the better students in my classes, so I guess this means I have a good chance of making 6 figs?
IS major here its actually pretty legit if your schools IS curriculum isn't shit (most are). It teaches you IT and CS courses and apply those skills to an actual business or corporation. And not banking on some bullshit start up that most likely that will fail within the usual 3 to 5 years.
Plus it's usually in the business school, so yiu have to interact with other people and do group projects which makes you more if an extrovert with actual school compared to some idiot football player that takes business mgt who will most likely be an account exec or HR rep.
Tldr, be social, do personal projects, and don't be edgy/sperg out and you should at least snag a decent job
>implying that arts degrees won't be the most valuable degrees in the establishing entertainment based digital society/economy
>implying medical degrees won't be rendered useless in 10 years due to advanced computer science and biology
I guarantee that by 2025 we will need more people creating entertainment than doctors.
Arabic or an Asian language, Mandarin most likely. Both can be widely used in their respective regions, and you could probably get further with general Arabic than with Farsi, unless you *know* work with Iran will be very likely
"Hey, my name is kek. I am a graduate/student at xxxx university and was wondering if you could tell me what your company looks for in potential employees or interns?"
Then you get the ball rolling and then they may offer you a way to apply for internships or whatever or if not, u ask them how can you apply to get in to their business.
I'll agree with God and Top tier of you switch (info systems) with admin
Midtier made me lol
Going for that gov retirement plan, eh?
Where the fuck do you think you are?
Every single L.A. Graduate I know wishes they'd have specialized because they are not only not great at anything specific, they aren't really good at anything else otherwise
You should specify graduate/undergraduate better
MBA in Econ has the highest salary ceiling of any degree
Physics is über respectable with a masters because you gotta be able to do fluid mechanics and otherwise be brilliant
Math at BA+ is like resume porn for a lot of jobs
A 2 year Hospitality degree has one of the highest salary ceilings of any 2 year degree making it have the lowest P/E ratio of anything ever
Higher Education has a lot of prestige because you build bonds with students and can influence the rest of their lives
You gotta be more specific and scientific with your approach because this is just pitiful meanderings
I'm going into Information Systems this year, and GIS is one of the specializations they offer. It looks like one of the cooler things you can do within the field (so in my books at least good tier, maybe top tier if you end up in a position doing it, maybe even managing large projects) but I've searched for jobs that use it and it seems more niche than say business analysis, which seems to have more job openings but looks less interesting and less tangible. This is just based on my cursory investigations though.
Which degree is the best compromise between easy and profitable? I suck at sciences and math and I like economics, writing, and art. I also have shit work ethic and a bad memory, but I know I'll have to compromise eventually.
I've heard people say these were meme degrees, though? As in "the other business majors"
But thanks, man. I was also considering some sort of graphic design thing so I could sit in a cubicle and make signs until I have enough experience and cash to start my own business.
>I suck at sciences and math and I like economics, writing, and art. I also have shit work ethic and a bad memory
It could be a "meme degree", depending on which university you study at (where I am the management/marketing people are housed in the Economics department so they're taken at least somewhat seriously) but in any case if you're being honest about your lack of work ethic, mathematics and bad memory it's not like going into the sciences or engineering would be the wisest decision in the world. There's plenty of people who get management degrees and do well, but the "meme" aspect of it is that you'll have to rely on experience in the workforce and working your way up PLUS the degree to leverage your employability, not solely the degree like some engineering/tech students can (in some cases)
So my situation is I want to Major in History but I think it wouldn't have too many good jobs I also maybe want to learn Japanese too to become a translator. Money isn't a issue because I have a rich gf that just want's me to get some type of degree. she might be moving a little often for her career though.
If I were you I would go for Neuroscioences; but it is possible that Math Biology could be more like a way of making money.
I want to finish my Biology degree and go for Neurosiences, Molecular Biology or Microbiology. It is harder to choose among them that you think.
I have a Master's in math and am currently a university lecturer. Great hours, slightly below median but very liveable pay. I really enjoy teaching, don't really give a shit about the money (because UBS account lmao)
Are PhD's in Economics worth it? I've gotten the impression that they're very very good for opportunities (academic and relaxed - so I have time for other things, but very good for employment / flexibility). Am I wrong?
I did my master's in GIS, but instead of working for the government (most jobs are there or in large utilities companies) I went back and am finishing a 1 year cert in project management. So no big boy job using it yet.
It's advertised as having a lot of demand, but I'm not sure how much of that is shilling or memeing
My undergrad is in Finance / Commerce
>mfw people go to university and college to get mediocre grades
they could have went into trades and had a higher salary after one year of work
depends on the country, for USA youre probably right
im a math major and i went to a career fair at my uni recently... seems to be quite a bit of interest
>Finance and Statistics
>International Business (provided you have connections)
>Management and Accounting (provided you have connections)
>people don't realize a JD is entirely dependent on the other education and experience you have with it
Option 1: get an engineering degree and masters, then a JD. Write patents, do patent litigation, get flown around the country to be an expert witness on other cases.
Option 2: Get that political science degree and a JD and then work for $30k/year for low income bankruptcies.
Law school is being grossly overrated here. "God tier"? Hell no.
The legal job market in the US is utterly saturated, and will remain that way for the foreseeable future. The only context in which a JD is "God tier" is if it comes from an Ivy League school, or if you graduate at the top of your class from a school in the next tier down.
I believe a Bachelor's in Engineering is now more valuable than a JD from the same institution, assuming the same class ranking. The harsh reality is that anyone of normal intelligence can get through law school, but the math and science required for an engineering degree will weed out anyone who is not above average in intelligence and work ethic.
Honestly god tier is being an entrepreneur. Don't like your job? Don't be in the workforce, make you're own damn job. Countries like Morocco and Algeria and shit have a shit ton of young people and literally no jobs for them so they're just like "fuck it, we're not employing you. Not because we don't want to, because we can't. You've got to do your own shit." Can you honestly say it's that different here?
This is what I've been told.
I have family in investment banking and they said that all the older guys have law degrees, but, it is being replaced by engineering degrees and it is now becoming easier to get hired as an engineering in finance than it is for a lbachelor of law to get hired in finance
Sweet, J.D. is God-tier? A few months ago everyone seemed to be shitting on it and it made me worried.
Time to lawyer up
Not from the US
Can it compete with Ivy league?
As in, can someone from that school with good marks get the same job as someone from Winconsin-Madison with good marks?
If the answer is yes, then sure, if the answer is no then you are wasting your time
Even a law degree from a shit school gives you the potential to make more than an engineer on average.
You could live in your fucking house taking cases from the court and make at least 100k a year (if you wanted to be on your own and do a lot of work).
Doing family law cases alone would give you a large enough client list to make a lot of money.
Law = business. What you make is dependent on what you bring in unless you get an associate job at a large firm.
Then your set on salary with benefits until you make partner.
I'm terrified considering my skills either fall into shit tier arts, which I really am not even good at.
And then only mid tier linguistics.
Guess I'm a total idiot in regards to hard logic, math or overall scientific things.
The furthest I can go is a joke of philosohpy or maybe psychology and mentioned linguistics.
Should I just kill myself /biz/ ?
Sales guy here.
This guy is 85% right. You need to also be ready to put in some serious time weiting resumes. Just make sure you can pay attention to the needs of each potential employer.
If you can get accepted to grad school they don't give a fuck about GPA, they know you're not retarded
A 3.5+ generally means you're intelligent enough to get in, assuming you do well on all the exams/tests relevant to your field, a 3.8+ is probably more likely to get you accepted if you're in a specialized field (like psychology or something)
What you really need is experience in the field
Depends on the company you work for.
I have a business IS degree. My last job, I watched the fifa world cup at my desk. My current job, I'm getting clients constantly asking me for updates and never really feeling accomplished in what I do because there's just no time to get all the colossal work finished.
It's ridiculously varied, but that also means if you don't like it, it's not hard to hop over to something else, is what he means
Never find my degree on these charts
Currently a 4th achieving a degree in cognitive science with a focus on human computer interaction.
I play with occluses all day in the lab I'm working at.
This is true. Three years into work - 90k a year, 12% annual bonus, mac probook that I take home for work ( can't browse 4chan on it), discounts through the company, free food.
Being an SDE is lucrative.
>how did you know what to apply for?
I didn't. I was just willing to work for anyone that would have me.
It's the same as getting a normal job.
toss out hundreds of applications for anything remotely computer related and after 60% rejections, 30% failed interviews, and 9% beat out by competition, you get hired.
Lying is not OK on a resume, but bend the truth as much as humanly possible. You're a salesman trying to get the recruiter to "buy" your skills for that paycheck.
>Have none of these
>Am self employed, making homemade cola and selling at stalls
>make 200 bucks per market day
Feels good man
so im getting a degree in business administration (information systems concentration). what should i do while finishing up graduating to help ensure i get a good job? and whats a good job to aim for after school to enter the field?
>Guess I'm a total idiot in regards to hard logic, math or overall scientific things.
The furthest I can go is a joke of philosohpy
If you're not rational enough to process hard logic, then philosophy is certainly not for you.
I studied PPE and philosophy is one of the hardest subjects overall (not just about memorizing 100 things in a row, but about applying the knowledge you have) but one with the least direct employment applications.
So, if you're shit with science or arguing causation then philosophy is the antithesis of what you're looking for. I'd compare to to English Lit but rather than repeating what you've read, it's analyzing the authors ideas in reference to the others. Lots of reading, lots of subjectivity and unless you're already consumed by it, then it's not worth it.