There are 3 distinct US crashes, the 2000-2002 Dotcom Crash,

>>1056636
Not even a bear market yet.
Chill.

>>1056636
The crash will happen around the fall of 2016 - early 2017

>>1056636
Just valuations. Just a natural recession. MAYBE. I went 100% long this week.

>>1056647
it is if you russell2000 bro...like me

>>1056661
Might dip a toe into some TQQQ next week...

>>1056652
i went 100% long in your mom this week

1 Low oil prices because opec tries to fuck over the fracking industry in US which grew because of high prices.
2 decreasing growth in China which drives a lot of growth world wide
3 suspects of higher rates from the fed which leads to sleculative deflation
4 political turmoil on international levels
5 increasing terrorist threads

That's about it i guess. First three are probably most of influence.

>>1056726

You're leaving out quite a bit, EU credit being the biggest risk (although unlikely). If a country like greece or spain defaults it'll take the EU down with it, if not the global economy.

>>1056742
Dude are you a time traveler from 2012
or haven't you seen the news in 3 years time? Grease, the only country which was at risk of defaulting, made their deals a long time ago. They follow up on promises, there is absolutely no sign of a worsening situation. That's why stock markets exploded briefly in 2014.

trying to fundamentally analyse the market is pure nightmare imo especially for normies and theres always the business market cycle

>>1056636
>What caused our current crash though?

We were overdue for a recession historically. Oil was way overvalued and things are slowing down in China. Stocks will correct and we will see the DOW at 20,000 come 2020.

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>>1056652
The world cant handle a natural recession.

Any shrinkage in european GDP is going to cause the eurozone to crumble.

The dollar will subsequently rise, causing deflation in the US, and there is a strong possibility of contagion in US banks from a Euro collapse.

This recession is the recession of sovereign debt crises.

You heard it here first.

>>1056636
Just watched this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT1suJ9cYI8

Explained it pretty well.

We never actually recovered from the last crash, it's just a completely artificially inflated stock market by quantitative easing.

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>>1056835

How can this all be fed with QE when companies are actually profitable, making stuff, exporting stuff, and hauling in cash?

You're saying those are all contrived metrics and their books are being doctored?

I'm wondering what class of people is stupider: doomers or Buttcoiners.

>>1056841
I think the 3rd kind of people are stupidest.

The ones who think everything is going to be fine, and automatically dismisses everything.

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You left out the 1987 crash, and quite a few others.

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>>1056842

Here's a fact for you. Markets are growing. Populations are expanding. More and more people are being elevated from poverty.

Stay impoverished doomers. Might as well head back to /r9k/.

>>1056842

I think (based on his comments, not the video which I didn’t watch) that >>1056835 is close to correct than incorrect.

What we're seeing now is a reaction to the solution to the 2008 crash.

To solve the 2008 crash, the fed dropped interest rates to zero and injected buckets of cash into the economy (which, among other things, increased our debt).

We've had a general recovery, but WS in the back of their mind is worried (especially when we have down days) because they know that the fed has used up its ammo and have no solution if it happens again.

When interest rates are zero, they can't drop them anymore, unless they go negative rates which would be a disaster, and if throwing more money didn't solve it once, it won't solve it again.

As always, we put off our problems instead of solving them. I remember clearly people in the 1970's trying to warn about what would happen when the baby boomers started to retire, but people chose instead to put off thinking about it and hoping that the problem would solve itself.

>>1056846
Those things were all true in 2000 and 2008 as well.

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>>1056853

Yes, precisely.

And every time there was a stock sell-off it was followed by growth and more growth. Rinse and repeat for the last 70 years.

People forget that a stock market "crash" is just a SALE. Everything is on SALE and DISCOUNTED.

It's fucking great and the sign of a healthy economy.

I've been waiting for a correction since mid-2015 because the stock values were simply too high relative to actual corporate incomes.

And here it is. Now is a great opportunity to buy.

Anyway, good luck with poverty.

>>1056862
Yes, and I'd like to sell my stocks before the SALE.

I have $1m in stocks, and i'd love to turn that into $4m.

Enjoy being content with your 20k investment.

>>1056862
>I've been waiting for a correction since mid-2015

yes, after the market had been going sideways for 6 months, you realized there wasnt much growth left.

You must be such a wiz.

>>1056862
Also, that a very naive viewpoint of the situation.

The economy is in a really shitty place at the moment.

>>1056852
What about the EU? They did basically the opposite of what the FED did, going for austerity and the economy has hardly gotten stronger since 2008

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>>1056726
Pretty sure it was a delayed reaction to $130 oil. Demand destruction, took a year of it or so to kick in.

It's the great oscillation theory, and the new dark ages eventually. Now that oil is as cheap as bottled water, it will start to rise again and probably shoot up over 200 at some point, then maybe back down if there isn't some huge world war for resources.

All financial shenanigans, inflation of paper currencies before the oil age were pure manipulation, since the oil age, it is recognized that energy is life and oil is the largest energy source. This adds a new dimension on top of the regular currency manipulations Europe, South America, India and other places are famous for.

>>1056864

I refuse to believe someone with such dim opinions has an account balance like that.

And if you did by some miracle, it's most likely inherited.

>>1056870

Umm, I implied it was a very simple thing to observe.

Stay petty.

>>1056874
>Also, that a very naive viewpoint of the situation.

>Small potato with less than 1 billion net worth thinks he has a grasp of markets

kek, never change /biz/.

>>1056879
I make video games as a hobby, one went viral. Made about 3m in the past 18 months.

Also, the only dim witted opinion here is your opinion that there's some kind of correlation between economic knowledge and being successful.

>>1056883
>Small potato with less than 1 billion net worth thinks he has a grasp of markets

I don't have a grasp of the markets at all.

All i'm saying is that its a little more complex than "ITS ALWAYS GOING TO GO UP FOREVER"

>>1056883
>Small potato with less than 1 billion net worth

someone worth a billion dollars browses 4chan.

ok

>>1056862
>business cycle happening means that theres something right with the economy

lamo

>>1056636
The oil crash, OP.