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I need to vent /biz/. My family owns a rice farm here in the US. We're a small business that harvests rice for retail and emergency relief. The relief business is a good one, as it is through government contracting.

Government bids are straight forward, lowest price wins the bid or portion of the bid they solicit for.

Did I mention the part where we're a for profit small business? Over the last 4 years though, non-profits have been crowd funding their way into buying rice farms and competing against us for government contracts. Rice isn't expensive, the overhead can be pricey at times though.

I got some info that my one non-profit competitor offsets their overhead by using donations. Couple that fact with not having to figure taxes into their price, they can lower the bid price lower than a for profit like me can do.

The fuck can I do about that? Our company is not greedy. We have other for profit competitors that helped ensure bid prices remained low. These non-profits though just put a grower out of business because she was specialized in offering relief items like rice and grain.

And people keep giving them free money to do this. Fucking people. They don't see that by helping these non-profits win a federal contract, they're paying for it doubly in donations and taxes.

And America wants to stimulate the economy for "Muh jobs" and taxes. Don't cater to the non-proifts and you'll get the taxes. Don't? My family can sell our business to one of these non-profits with bloated CEO salaries. Less tax income for the gubberment. Awesome.

That's my rant. Fuck em all.
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>>1052140
>bloated CEO salaries
generate a lot of income taxes. Personal tax rates are much higher than the corporate tax rate.

As an American, I'd rather see your marginally surviving company driven out of business so that a highly-paid successful executive can run it better. It's win-win.
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>>1052140
Why can't you sell to rice-a-roni, or to India, or something? There's turmoil on the foreseeable forecast and the yuppies have the momentum. TPP may open something up. Sorry, if you already exhausted these avenues.
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The government should really factor how much tax you'll pay in the bid prices. It's like a cash back offer when you buy a tv, you just take the money you'll get back off the price.
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>>1052140
Capitalism Failing Against Socialism: The Post
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I do construction and we have lost government bids to people that bid prices lower than even cost.

I always hear that these jobs fall through because the contractor gives 50% upfront and the guys just bail because the contractor didn't even check to see if they had licensure.

It's funny because it happens month after month, but then it makes me mad because these are tax dollars
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>>1052144
>so that a highly-paid successful executive can run it better.

That's what the core of my rant is though. The main non-profit I compete against is the wife of a hedge fund guy. This is her pet project he helped her get off the ground. They're literally holding fundraisers with other wealthy elites to offset their bid offers substantially. It's predatory pricing. Their main goal is to drive the for profits out of this arena. Then when we're all gone, they'll return the bid prices back up to levels that for profit companies had them at. Any profit generated will go into paychecks since they cannot store an egregious amount of funds in the bank without a spending plan.

Is that the successful executive you want? The one that contributes nothing to the infrastructure of the country?
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>>1052140
I totally agree with you man, I don't know what to say to help. I've been in the same situation, being undercut by government itself not even non profits.

I'd recommend just buying ethereum and be done with it.
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>>1052206
>Is that the successful executive you want? The one that contributes nothing to the infrastructure of the country?
Meh. The rice gets grown either way.

You're not occupying any moral high ground here.
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>>1052205
>the contractor gives 50% upfront and the guys just bail because the contractor didn't even check to see if they had licensure.

And I thought I was raging hard with these bids. Are contract officers born stupid or are they made that way? The contracting officer we have to deal with just issued a BPA with an RFQ clause on it that allows him to forgo the entire BPA. It's like asking, what the whole of us offering an FFP was all about, if he plans to put these orders up for bid each time using the RFQ.
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>>1052153
>Why can't you sell to rice-a-roni, or to India, or something?

You're a good soul, first thanks for offering a tip. To answer your question, relief products are best sold to parties that have the infrastructure to deliver them. Otherwise, you're at the mercy of country's corruption, especially during emergency relief. Best example I can offer is a hipster charity that raised 30K in basic supplies to send to India after the earthquake. Nothing got to the quake victims as the supplies were "lost in transit" after being unloaded at the docks.

>There's turmoil on the foreseeable forecast and the yuppies have the momentum.
Oh our company isn't out of the game, it' just been ungodly rough to even call this side of it a business atm. There's an omnibus on the house floor. If that gets signed, there will be more funding and more bids, possibly enough for all of us. So you're not wrong, the yuppies did promote this one.

>TPP may open something up. Sorry, if you already exhausted these avenues.
This I had not thought of. Thanks for the tip anon! Going to look into this tomorrow.
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