So I am 100% sure that the "shrinking middle class"

>>1051900
>>1051900
Probably

>>1051900
No its not. There are simply not many jobs that make "middle" income anymore. There are alot of good jobs for college grads in decent feilds that make 70k after a couple years experience and there are ALOT of jobs that make 25k or less that have no chance of advancement.

So essentially we get more upperclass and more lower class with less middle class.


This is what you get when you lower taxes and break up unions.

>>1051900
So what is your economic recommendation knowing this?

>>1051905
This is also true, but it's gotta be both, because the insanity of our inflation is a fact.

I'm 30. When I was growing up rent was $500 a month. Now we're paying $3000.

>>1051911
Stop printing fuckin money.

>>1051900
>shrinking middle class
also, why does this fucking matter is living standards are becoming higher anyways?

>>1051917
Lol. I got granite countertops but my food is trash and my healthcare and social security are half my wages.

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>>1051916
Dont tell me what to do fagit


if we print more money, then everyone has more

>>1051917
I hardly count the addition of a fancy cell phone and data plan as "higher standards of living" , its not like we use the fact that all of humanities knowledge is at our fingertips for anything but shitposting

and medical advances? awesome! I can go bankrupt when I'm least able to re enter the workforce, thanks for 10+ years of semi coma living in a nursing home!

>>1051924
>>1051924
blame that on socialism

>>1051928
How is that automatically the cost of socialism? We're getting bilked by private insurance and pharmaceutical companies out the ass.

>>1051930
holy shit you're retarded


why are you here?

>private insurance companies
>what is the Affordable Care Act

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>>1051925
>dat gif
That's Vagina Jew's job now, lad.

>>1051905
Lol more to your point but correcting something, I believe middle class is defined as between $150,000 to $300,000 a year.

So both of those wages are lower class. lol

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>>1051934

>>1051931
Isn't that about medicaid?

>>1051931
How does this apply to private insurance?

>>1051938
no

it socializes healthcare and sends the price of health care skyrocket

>>1051936
Assuming your talking about america both those incomes are in the top 10% so your retarded.

And there is only 1% of the country between 150k and 300k which is not enough to be its own social class.

>>1051939
i will make it simple for you


socialism = bad

In addition, I've been trying to figure out for awhile why we pay so much more in taxes for essentially 0 social programs aside from disability, unemployment, and food stamps.

It's still only 33% of our budget. Military expenditures are only 17%.

Where the fuck is all our money going??

>>1051944
Whoops a daisy you're right. I'm from a wealthy suburb so my perceptions are skewed.

>>1051962
No your just playing a fool so you can brag about your parents accomplishments(I know I did the same once). Ignorance is inexcusable in the age of the internet.

I live in a bay area suburb and incomes are very high here, but clearly that is not the case for the majority of the country.

I spent some time with people whose combined family income is >50k and it has inspired me to stop being a asshat.

It is the responsibility of the upper class to ensure the comfort of the lower classes for no other reason than to prevent civil unrest.

>>1051970
I'm not actually, my parents are broke. But we still live in a wealthy area.

If I was gonna brag I'd brag about my brother who makes $30m a year as a managing director at JP Morgan.

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>le higher wages are for ebil liberals and unions face

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>>1051977

>>1051975
Who also doesn't give me shit. Asshole.

The middle class isn't shrinking, they just keep redefining it, kind of like the UN's international poverty line.

>>1051905
B... But... All my union friends make 100k plus...

>>1052017
And you could be too if unions hadn't been demonized in labor force.

>>1051900
good job obviousman

>>1051977
We need a new one where the second picture is >2016 and he's screaming "I NEED A LIVING WAGE!!"

>>1051905

Nailed it.

>>1052023
> you could be unemployed too!
FTFY

>>1051905
It isn't a good sign when there is a ruling class above a lower class.

>>1052080
That's not how collective bargaining works you retard.

>>1052092
As a Union rep I'm sure you think so but as someone who got to see first hand the blight infecting Australian factories & superannuation from a workers & advisers POV, I can safely say the unintended consequences of giving Unions too much authority is quite destructive.

I dont mind the concept but the implementation has cost many people. It isn't simply "collective bargaining" either, its a gravy train full of shady deals that can hardly be proven in the interests of workers.

> inb4 we got you a 2 day weekend and penalty rates!

Fuck outta here fat cat

>>1052105
>unions are sometimes bad so let's get rid of all of them
>great, let's apply that to corporations or gun ownership
b-b-but that's diffrent!1

>>1052137
This.

>>1052105
Not only are you retarded, but you're also a cuck for arguing against your own interests.
>hurr durr abuse me like you mean it Mr. big strong boss man

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>>1051928
>>1051931
>Hurr, tax a bad! Muh insure!
>Meanwhile, US literally spends more tax money on 'private' healthcare than Britain spends on their public health system
>Americans forcibly made to buy health insurance when they could just pay less taxes if they had a universal healthcare system

>>1052257

>Wait 10 Days to see an ER doctor

There are some people that shouldn't have access to healthcare. There's a reason insurance companies have deductibles.

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>>1052267
>Wait 10 Days to see an ER doctor
Having 8% of people, those in the least urgent/non life-threatening conditions, wait more than 4 hours is considered bad in Britain. Is that really so bad, considering if your life is in danger you will be treated immediately?

>>1051905
This so much this.

I love how libertarian shills like Sowell always side track when the topic comes to Whether middle class is shrinking or not.

In the future you are either upper or lower, there is no middle ground. I'm just glad I'm in top 10% in my country.

>>1052105
>Australian union rep
Australian workers are paid shitloads anyway, it's no wonder you got yourselves rekt; you probably bargained for way too much.

>>1052105
>union rep
mind if I call you Cuckleberry Finn?

>>1052267

>average US time spent in ER - 135 minutes
>average UK time spent in A&E - 130 minutes

Muh socialised medicine, so evil, poor performance. You know that America spends as much as a proportion of GDP on Medicare and Medicaid as the UK spends on the NHS?

>>1051953
Well for one thing military is far more than 17%. Google it and check multiple sources

>>1052087
That's literally always been the case in any nation

>>1051936
Are you seriously this fucking dumb

>>1051936
Are you a Jewish highschool student or what

>>1051900
Middle class is shrinking. This is true. But did you know more than half, more than 60% of the people leaving the middle class are going to the upper class?

So whenever Beanie Sanders talks about reversing the disappearance of the middle class he literally wants people to stop improving their lives.

>>1051975

> mah dad is better than your dad

>>1051953
>military
>only 17%
Nigger try over 50%. Look it up.

>>1052653
Meh, world is running down somewhat, too many monkeys now, not enough bananas, combined with money makes money through the ancient swindle of usury, what is happening was completely predictable. Resource wars, totalitarian despotic states incoming. Intredasting times, a Chinese curse.

>>1051912

Market rent is fucking high because real estate is fucking high. Real estate is fucking high because rich people can buy properties and flip them.

people spending their life savings on a house they cant afford to get into a "good school district"

people buying $100/month data plans for their $100/month phones with their netflix, hulu (ad free, of course), and audible, so they have something to do while they sip their $100/month coffee and see what arrived in their $50/month novelty box. then it's off to whole foods to spend $1,000/month on groceries before paying the mininum on their 15% apr credit card and skipping their student loan payment.

>tough being an intellectual

>>1052722

Maybe you should look it up

Fun fact, in 10 years of fighting 2 wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US spent less money than on social security in a single year!

>>1052792

I'm going to need some source on this, because otherwise, we can just bin it as JIDF jargon.

What bothers me the most about anti-sanders people is that they haven't looked at any of his policies he wants to enact. To date, he's had 2:

- Stock transfer fee
- Taxing the ultra rich

Both would only affect the upper class and hedge funds that manipulate the market (Therefore making the poor investor even poorer because computers are clipping their earnings)

Universal health care would also save the country money.

Literally everything he wants to enact will fix the economy and make you richer, and yet people have this weird psychological aversion to his policies because they're socialist. Social security is socialist and virtually everyone collects that.

Do some research jesus christ.

>>1052789
This

Too many people are like this, and they refuse to believe that they would be okay otherwise.

>>1052804
Try telling this to /pol/ who wants to all vote for trump

>>1052441
That's time in the ER, what's the total wait time? Waiting room times sometimes aren't counted. Plus sometimes it's time to be seen by a doctor that's measured, not necessarily out the door and discharged which is contingent on alot of staff and rules.

In addition the argument is likely waiting for a specialist or complicated treatment. Young neckbeards love socialized medicine because they get their broken arm fixed for free and don't care whether they wait 3 hours or 6 hours for it.

The real metrics that should be studied are on the care of people who utilize the system the most - chronically ill and elderly.

Not saying you're wrong, just everyone is completely retarded on this subject.

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>>1052836

It doesn't matter because the average voter wouldn't even research these policies. They either hear "Socialism" and that raises a red flag or they automatically think taxes are bad (Even though taxes are some of the best stimulants for the overall economy and will make you richer overall)

Conservatives are just borderline fucking retarded desu.

>>1051936

t. Jonathan Rosenberg

>>1052845

How is time actually spent in hospital not the more significant statistic? Anyway, it's hard to find the average wait time in UK hospitals, but the target is for over 90% of patients to be seen within 4 hours. That's been breached a couple of times recently, over weekends during the winter when GPs are closed and old people are getting colds. That caused a major shitstorm. As far as A&E goes, though, nothing seems to suggest that you get any faster service in the US than you do in the UK.

There just aren't enough things for dipshits who can't do some advanced math or abstract thinking or aren't socially adept to do.

That's it.

>>1052792
We know the cost of them wars is over 1 trillion so either you're saying social security costs 1 or 2 trillion or you're full of shit

>>1051970
>Responsibility of the upper class to ensure the comfort of the lower class

This sounds so socialist but it's so true. The internet has created an imaginary divide between communities, we forget sometimes that the key to a successful society is everyone working together.