how accurate is this?
>tfw dont know what to major in, heard finance is a good all round degree
>getting cold feet, dont know what is a good degree and what is bad
>just want to become a ATC
Is finance a good universal degree? Or should I shoot for something like Statistics or Math
The only point of the degree is to show employers that you can take orders well, and work hard.
So just pick the degree with the most taking orders and work (Quantum Nuetrino Physics in a cyber kinetic vacumm) and that degree will have the most value
The easier the degree, the less it is worth
here is the real ranking
>god-tier (fresh, high paying jobs wherever you go, shit is p hard too)
mechanical/electrical/chemical engineering, computer science
>would be god-tier if there were related jobs for bachelors degrees -tier (better go to graduate school)
>above average-tier (connections preferred/prepare to get a boring or hard job for barely middle class salary)
accounting, finance, the other engineering majors, nursing
>average tier (better have some passion for this shit and be really good to get a job at all)
economics, language translation if you plan on moving straight to the country with native speakers for the rest of your life, rest of the business majors, IT
>shit-tier (100% waste of your time and money)
most other things
he is right thou.
the main problem with the chart, is a lot of that stuff doesn't matter unless you are going for a masters in it. Such as mathematics/astrophysics/ any science/ Not saying you can't get lab work with just a B.S. but you won't get paid a lot.
Like Veterinary studies. You don't do shit with a b.s. in that. you go to fet school after. and it is on the same tier as accouting, which is a 5 year degree
It's obviously been created by STEMfags who, to be fair, did have the most desirable degrees 5-10 years ago.
It's all regional variation about what's in demand though. I live in the biggest UK FinTech hotspot outside of Londok for example, so the only worthwhile degrees are those which will get you into either development or FSI.
Unless you're at an Ivy League school, Oxford, Cambridge, or similar, it doesn't matter where you studied as long as it's in the top 10% for your field of study.
You can study at a top university and still be a fucking pleb that no bank will want to hire.
No he isn't? He literally isn't right at all.
I had to do a skills assessment of my Consulting practice within my Big 4 firm, I could tell you the breakdown of degrees and can tell you right now, you're talking about of your ass.
Highly quantitative roles, a lot of maths/statistics based degrees. Otherwise degree makes no fucking difference, it's the person you hire not the degree. Degrees are just a tick in a box to get to second stage.
The best market data analyst I know studied History of Fine Art. Stop forcing your bullshit engineering meme friend.
If we're going for overall quality of the degree, then probably.
Utility in gaining employment with an FS firm? Finance is more useful, solely because of the domain knowledge involved.
They might have a better degree, but I'm not going to hire a maths PhD over a BA French grad to teach a French class.
I know so many plebs who studied supposed top engineering disciplines though, typically haven't seen the same from Finance grads. Also I'm 100% not a Finance grad. My Business Technology degree is much more memey, but as a Business Technology Consultant, it's kinda useful.
Why would you listen to unsourced images on 4chan?
I remember years ago people would always respond to everything "lol who would ever listen to 4chan? It's a satirical website!". Now people actually believe and argue the dumbest shit...
>electrical engineer friend
>straight out of uni purchased low level manufacturing equipment (few years ago)
>got a contract today for $600,000 for 3-4months work.
>didnt even give a shit, happens all the time
??? Guaranteed your talking out of your ass. NYC BB have pretty good presence within NE schools. Ivy leagues and whatever prestigious groups are shit compared to better geographically located Uni's and schools with better career centrers.
Honestly the best major to go for in my honest humble opinion is MechE.
>work isn't fucking boring (just have to get into R&D to do more interesting things rather than CAD)
>versatile and broad
>challenging, not a lot of people can get an engineering degree
>always in demand
I would've chosen CS but you just mostly code for a job. I guess it doesn't matter if you enjoy coding.
no they're not. That's why they are target schools. To keep it simple: if you're at a target school let's say you have to be top 20% to get into banking while if you aren't at a target school you have to be top 10% or even top 5% if the uni is a shitty uni.
engineering is better than finance if you want to work as an engineer. If you want to wort in the finance industry then you're wrong.
But don't worry, all the engineering students are arrogant af thinking they are superior to other just because the others don't study engineering.
>doing shit others tell you to do
hahaha You have no idea what we do in the finance industry.
So tell me anon, do engineers what they want or do they have to follow orders from their clients or bosses?
>What would a legitimate chart look like? What would move up and what would move down?
Fucking nothing because nobody in the world let alone 4chan's business board(with 50% NEETs) can make such a chart. It's so subjective and based on different parts of the country let alone world.
In Eastern Europe studying Engineering is fucking retarded and you'll barely be making shit whereas if you freelanced/did projects on the internet you'd make 3x as much as average engineer., just as an example.
In some parts of the world and at certain times(not now) Petroleum Engineering is toppest of top-tier.
Stop looking at 4chan for advice and think critically, fuck man it's really weird to see people actually falling for and believing 4chan memes. It can't only be me but back in the day it (at least seemed) like everyone understood 4chan was not a source of quality information and just a place to pass the time.
They can give advice based on some info obviously but how are they suppose to make a fucking comprehensive chart about majors?
a) Doesn't take into account location
b) Le current year, soemthing are more in demand at different times
d) Talents and skills
e) Country and more specifically part of country
f) What school was attended
I live in Australia, I'm socially retarded and I just want to make enough money to feed my family and purchase gym equipment. I also want to do something that isn't ridiculously oversaturated or about to be offshored to Uzbekistan.
It is if you go major on that, but if you´re already bilingual and have studied anything else you can get a very decent amount of money there. Many doctors move to SE Asia and translate specialized documents for more money than they´d get by working as doctors, and come back after a few years drowning in money.
I got a degree in Classic Philology, I´m barely even trying and I´m getting 1200€ a week.
It´s true that you need passion, though. I´ve been translating as a hobby since I was 12, and still I have to put a huge amount of time in getting new clients.
I don´t see me doing this for life, but it´s a quite nice way to sustain myself while I work on something else.
You can do accounting
You can do nearly any kind of engineering
You can do psychology (if u can handle the people and their issues)
You can get a trade such as plumbing or electrician
You can become a cook
My advice to you OP: don't get a general degree. If you aren't studying something you'd do for a low wage, it's not worth the investment because you'll find something you'd rather be doing.
I will be called a faggot for shilling this path, but if you're looking for a general degree, work some random jobs first until you discover something you're passionate about, then do that.
>B-but you won't want to go back to school once you start earning money!
So what's the problem with that?
>B-but muh Scholarships!
If you're getting a free ride that's a consideration, but there are scholarships for mature students too, and after enough time has passed, your parents' money won't be a factor any more. So it could actually help in that regard
>B-but Anon, do you even know what ATC is?
Google says air traffic control, so probably not. If you want to go into something where any degree will do, why are you stressing about it anyway?
>above average-tier (connections preferred/prepare to get a boring or hard job for barely middle class salary)
accounting, finance, the other engineering majors, nursing
you're a complete retard. those fields pay $45-55k/yr starting. since when is that a 'barely middle class' salary?
>Not shit tier
I love chemistry, I'm a sci fag too but you've got guys with Masters and PHDs competing for entry level bachelor degree jobs.
Also Nuke Eng should be higher, switch with computer Eng. Switch Aerospace Eng with Mech Eng.
If I may ask. Is there ANY way to get into UCL, study civil/mechanical engineering without straight A's? I didn't completely fuck up in HS. But you know. Could have done better. Am from Sweden if that holds any specific importance.
I´m not really interested in that region. I did want to learn some other ancient language, but Greek and Latin were enough trouble at the moment and I decided to get German and Chinese instead. Failed miserably with Chinese, but at least I did learn German.
Greek isn´t THAT bad, actually. The vocabulary´s a bitch, and it´s so close to modern Greek that you can learn that too for a huge boost.
Anyways, Latin´s where its at. At first Greek is harder, but after you reach an intermediate-advanced level you find out that Latin is several times more horrible than everything Greek might throw at you.
I´ve had exams with only one question: translate one single fucking sentence, not much longer than this one. You can use dictionary and a grammar book.
Almost everyone failed.
Still, it´s the teachers who really shit it up sometimes. Like that one guy obsessed with the theater of a specific era, location and style, and requires you to become as proficient as he is after his +40 years of specialization. Also to have the same opinions.
Or that other fucker in a Linguistics class. Linguists say there´s between 3.000 and 7.000 languages in the world. This guy agreed with the 7.000 folk. He made us learn ALL of them by name, and their relationships to each other. It showed up in the exam - we got three groups of languages and had to recognize which didn´t belong there. Out of a class of 200, only <20 didn´t immediately hand in a white paper and leave. Of those, only half of us passed, and no one with more than a 6 (0 bad, 10 perfect). I did it because he´d handed every topic (15) for the students to develop and present to the class. My group got the languages of the world. Worst semester ever. Teacher also wanted a bunch of other shit about every language family, most of it not even documented for half of them. And maps. Oh god the maps.
But to be fair, you only had to know about Romanian being a romance language to pass that exam question.
Looking at a bachelor which focuses on all things entrepreneur related: marketing, communication, some law aspects, financing etc.
I'm on /biz/ because I want to become a business owner in the future. Will this education be of any value? Or would it be valued as high as women's studies?
The bit about performing arts needs expanding, because musicians can actually do shit, like also produce, do session styles, and a lot of other shit that acts as a reliable income, unlike 'actor/drama' trash
What does /biz/ think the world will hold for me?
I've narrowed it down to three roads
>Live a like king doing jack shit sitting on my ass while I "manage" a park
>Smoke dank weed with my harem of holistic bitches, orgies, lifestyle a la manson
>Die a broke tree hugger
Either way I think I'll be happy
as a horticulture graduate, plant science is an alright tier.
I am currently trying to get into the cannabis field. literally.
The world is going to need people to grow the food in concrete bunkers when the nukes come down.
plant breeding is done by and for people. Robots can only do so much.
most colleges will fund the shit out of your education if you start going for plant science. mostly because everyone thinks that farming is boring and dumb.
most of my education has come from scholarships.
I will graduate without taking out a loan.
U of MN btw
you can hit $90-95k salary in 5 years of public accounting in a large city at the big 4 firms (PwC, Deloitte, EY, KPMG, probably a lot of the national firms, too) with just a CPA. that may or may not require a masters degree depending on your state.
t. 18 year old STEMlord shitposter
talk to people in the real world and you'll see how useless a pure mathematics phd is. the only people getting those highly coveted quant jobs are the ones who went to target or top ranking schools for their phd.
>talk to people in the real world and you'll see how useless a pure mathematics phd is.
1) Who said it was a 'pure mathematics' PhD? That's different from a math PhD.
2) Even if it was pure mathematics, there's still jobs in that. Even if we take the purest of the pure math degree and ignore the applied or statistical jobs, you can still take up the jobs that will recruit from people from any degree background (for example, retail) or any numerate degree background (finance, accountancy, etc), and that's even ignoring the doors a PhD opens (research, post-doc work, etc).
The only bad thing about having a math PhD, or in general a PhD in any subject that doesn't do much to boost your employability is that it can overqualify you for some things, but if you wanted any of the jobs that a PhD would overqualify you for, you probably wouldn't have got the PhD in the first place.
read the chart, retard. applied math has its own category under 'superb tier phd.' that means the bad tier phd will be applied.
literally no company is going to hire someone with a doctorate in math to do accounting. they have no experience, no understanding of GAAP, no fucking chance of being productive without at least a year of intense study and mentorship. the same applies to finance.
but go ahead and devote 7 years of your life to studying autistic logical constructs. then let me know how your $300k/yr any job you want meme degree works out in the real world.
>read the chart, retard. applied math has its own category under 'superb tier phd.' that means the bad tier phd will be applied.
Did I say applied? There's a difference between mathematics, pure mathematics and applied mathematics.
>literally no company is going to hire someone with a doctorate in math to do accounting. they have no experience, no understanding of GAAP, no fucking chance of being productive without at least a year of intense study and mentorship. the same applies to finance.
You're acting as if only accounting or finance grads get jobs in those areas.
Most low level accounting is getting outsourced to software.
Psychology graduate programs are actually really competitive (too many people signing up because they don't know what else to do) and the bachelors is pretty much useless alone.
CompE sorta combines CS and EE. You still learn the basics of electronics and pretty much anything you'd need to be an electrical engineer, it just focuses more on the digital side of things, and therefore more programming shit.
CS is literally what it sounds like. Read the first paragraph on wikipedia if you have to.
The two below aren't totally off with IT.
Steve Jobs did fuck all that could be considered computer engineering.
A Masters in accounting only takes 1 year and all you do is
2. study the CPA exam,
3. Learn how to Audit/research tax law
This makes it amazing for someone who has no idea what he's doing, and you have over a 90% chance of finding a job from these programs. Totally worth it.
That being said, when I was in my Masters program, undergrads varied from absolute shit journalism degrees to MIS graduates.
Depends on what you want. Accounting isn't for everyone. Here is a breakdown of the industry through my experience (very biased):
-a deep understanding about how businesses/taxes work (depending on which path you choose),
-Many different areas to go into (Audit financials, do taxes - business and individual, Audit IT systems, and hospital compliance like HIPAA just to name a few)
-High employment rate,
in Public Accounting you get:
- lots of connections with individuals who work in big businesses,
-If you make it 5 years in public you make a pretty penny
-Per diem and mileage reimbursements that are like micro bonuses (if you are cheap)
in private Accounting you get:
-a standard, 40 hour a week job
-Everyone considers you "boring" or thinks you do taxes (Even if you have never touched taxes in your life besides the CPA Exam)
-You'll never be famous unless you do something really bad
-The CPA Exam is a bitch of a time waster that needs to be done
In Public Accounting you get:
-Shit ton of hours. Big 4 will work you like a dog during busy season to the point where some people quit in tears.
-Travel a lot (may also be a perk)
-Have to be very social and it's very Cliquey
-Mediocre pay for your work the first few years (started at 55K) cause they're training you
In Private Accounting:
-Mediocre pay, especially if you start out, unless you make it to C level or Controller
-You will always be "that guy in accounting"
I'be been thinking about transfering to OU and switching to Geophysics. (Civil Engineer at a school that doesn't offer it)
I'm legitimately interested in the subject but im unsure on what the job outlook is right now due to the drop in oil. Are there a lot of jobs in non-oil fields?
is this accurate for actuarial science? I can't decide between that and chemical engineering. Top job rankings seem to always rate actuaries really high, and job prospects/salaries for actuaries (at least in Canada) seem to be better than chemical engineers.
i'm enrolling into a masters in accounting program with a bachelors in math. my school's program is 2 years, although i was accepted to a program that could have pushed me through in just 1 year.
>is this accurate for actuarial science? I can't decide between that and chemical engineering. Top job rankings seem to always rate actuaries really high, and job prospects/salaries for actuaries (at least in Canada) seem to be better than chemical engineers.
I can't speak for Canada, but I think actuarial work is so fucking good that I'm planning to do it even as a maths student. As far as I'm aware Chem Eng is oversaturated although I'd be wary of that claim without any proof - people always claim shit is oversaturated.
If you're interested, pic related is what I've wrote down as the pros/cons of actuarial work in the UK.
>Why the fuck doesn't anyone want to become a highschool teacher? No one ever considered it.
1) Minimal chance of promotion, and hence bad pay. Why do you think teachers strike all the time?
2) You have to spend even more years at college/uni getting qualified to teach, which is time you could’ve spent working and therefore potentially getting promoted.
3) Teachers get blamed when the kids do anything bad.
4) Even if teaching is your passion, I’ve heard that a lot of a teacher’s job turns out to be paperwork/admin.
5) The only time you have off is the peak holidays, it’d be a nightmare to even schedule a doctor’s appointment.
Wait, did your friend graduate from some prestigious college/university? How far in his education did he go? How well did he do?
I'm genuinely curious, since I have been looking at electrical engineering for a while.
Computer Engineer: Builds and keeps computers, from PCs to large servers, running without error. Good at software and Hardware.
Computer Science: Excels on Software. Makes computers do fancy shit.
IT: Makes Computers communicate data efficiently and quietly.
>be a 2nd psych Bsc student
>enjoy it but worried about prospects
>friend on an economics course tells me about banking
>read some introductory books on banking, seems cool
Obviously that's not the full story but is this a totally retarded aspiration considering I'm currently in a degree that supposedly doesn't get "decent" until PhD level
>where's the pic from
It's my own creation, I've got a document that I regularly update whenever I find out new shit about my potential careers as a maths undergrad. Why? Do you think I've done a good job?
I suppose I could screenshot the whole thing or something, if you want.
The love/hate relationship /biz/ has with Econ is interesting to me. For what it's worth I got hired from an okay state school 6+ months before I graduated to work for Bloomberg in London. Econ is good as long as you are willing to take the hard, stats based electives IMO
it depends what you want to do in finance
if you don't need to know the arcane specifications of tax codes and other boring nonsense shit taught in finance, then an engineer or research field is more useful (for backroom stuff). Front room is all just networking, then the middle end stuff can go to anyone who can understand the back room people and also understands technical finance stuff
Depends on the institution. Research universities with a larger grad than undergrad body don't inflate their grades and the expected GPA is lowered as long as the recruiter is even semi-aware of the schools rep.
My mom's boyfriend is the head of HR for one of Chicago's big firms. This is his opinion on the matter, not mine. We were discussing the topic over the holidays and its still fresh on my mind. I can pass questions along to him pretty easy if you want straight no nonsense answers.
this image is even worse than the original
you can tell whoever made this has a major in the "good tier" because it makes it sound like that tier is better than "great tier" and calls them all betas
there's no such thing as a $250k starting salary
no one is going to pay you that much if you've been in school for eight years and have zero experience, those with higher education also have to be compensated more because of the cost of their education
$150k is also a stretch even in the highest CoL areas
ME's and AE's do not make more money than EE
>Criminal justice anything other than a terrible terrible major that's mostly just offered at for profit universities
>Accounting in the same tier as vet tech, microbiology, and criminal justice and law
Don't through your life away. You can set up and manage a business with no entrepreneur degree or diploma. No business owners had to, what business owners did is that they did a degree which interested them and is actually useful (and safe) in getting a job. For example, engineering and then setting up your own engineering firm, accounting and making your way up the corporate ladder to make connections and convince people to become a partner.
Your degree is worth less and teaches you less than most other degrees, don't do it. Get a business degree instead if u are set on doing that.
>those shitty verbal SAT
Fuck, are all those engineers really that shitty? I got a 640 and considered that mediocre. Fuck. Why couldn't have i've been naturally better at math. I got a fucking 550. Fuck. I wish i was autistically good a math. fuck. reading and english are such shit tier and useless skills.
im the exact say way anon. and i felt the same way for a long time before i realized i can use those skills to network and socialize with people, which lands me way more opportunities than some aspie.
>Tfw going against the opinions of lots of people I know to study marketing instead of finance
I want the constant change of scenery marketing provides. I love bettering my own personal finances but I would probably kill myself if I had to do it for someone else all day every day.
2bh i don't even have good social skills. i'm just toughing it out and trying my best in Econ. I took calc 1 which is all thats required, and i barely survived. (after having to start at college algebra and then taking pre-calculus). Thankfully at least statistics is a bit easier, although even that has been a challenge. I find Economics really interesting at least, because if i didn't i would have commited sodoku by now. Without Econ I really would be fucked. Honestly can't think of another major i'd even be able to even do that would have at least solid future job prospects. Math truly is the most important skill in regards to getting ahead in life and getting a valuable degree.
I just want to work in that comfy loft with a bunch of hipsters where I can work on my computer and make copy or design fonts on Illustrator, ride on a scooter, have meetings with 'creative' in a spacious conference room with comfy chairs, talking to Google and spending nights with thirtysomething professionals getting crazy drunk and going home with a 7/10 ugly model. Something like that.
IT isn't that bad if you live near or in major cities, to be honest.
That guy who said that it has a salary cap of 50k is completely wrong (unless you're a helpdesk monkey).
Currently making 80k as a network consultant. Based off of some recent interviews, I could easily pull 110k+ if I wanted to work in the city as opposed to the suburbs.
As Geophysicist with just my bachelors I would say that there are better options out there. I'm working in an analyst type role right now but all of my buddies literally don't have jobs. Now everybody is going back for masters and PhD so the market is going to be absolutely saturated with over qualified new grads applying for entry level positions
WHAT BRANCH OF ACCOUNTING DO I GO INTO FOR MONEY
TAX - Been told to avoid
MANAGERIAL/COST - Been told not a lot of career progression
FINANCIAL - All I hear is how I'll be overloaded with work
AUDIT - Leaning this way atm
SYSTEMS - Wtf even is this
I live in a major tech hub, it's that bad. There's so much competition you often see seasoned IT people fighting over entry level positions and consequently employers are forced to up their minimum requirements on positions.
tell me about all your fabulous opportunities
Don't think like that for Accounting. Think Public or Private accounting. The answer is to go for Public Accounting and concentrate in an area you want to specialize in. The key is to specialize in a certain field of accounting, making you an expert. Once you're in the workforce, try and steer yourself towards jobs that will make you a specialist in an area, making you invaluable and worth a shit ton to keep.
Most Public Accounting firms will not care what you specialize in at school. They'll just use it as a talking point in your interview to understand what you want to do and where they should put you.
Choose audit if you like traveling. This side of accounting attracts more alphas since it is more client based.
Choose tax if you really like researching tax code and sitting at your desk, although sometimes you will travel. Since most people use software to do taxes, you research the more complex areas of tax.
Consulting is a lot more broad and requires a little more experience than tax or audit. For the most part, clients pay your firm to use you as a temp staff for their special projects. IT Audit and Compliance also falls into this category. IT Audit is "systems". In IT audit, you just use your knowledge of IT and controls to make sure no one can hack in or maliciously alter data. It pays slightly more than regular audit, mainly because people who know IT go into industry since IT audit is something know one knows about.
Going to be graduating as a geologist into the worst commodity market in years.
Luckily, I have a minor in GIS and geo-statistical work so hopefully I can find work in resource analysis or environmental monitoring for consulting type work.
Live in a small area where public is out of the question (you need to be mad connected). I can do any of those privately then move to public in the future. I'd say 2-3 years whilst I pass my countries exams (1/2 way through). What would you recommend?
Seriously can someone answer my question please?
What can I do with a math degree? Why is it so high on the chart?
It's always on top and I have absolutely no idea how I'm supposed to make any money at all doing this. Please explain, anyone.
High school math teacher.
If masters, community college instructor.
If PhD, university professor.
If you have groundbreaking theories, are a genius, etc. Military/government (NSA code shit,etc).
It depends on where you're at and what you are good at. I'd still try to get into Public because once you are out of College, you hurt your chances of getting into it. Also, try to avoid government at all cost. The running joke in Public is that 10 years in government = 1 year in the real world.
Here is a salary guide if you want to plan (Amerifat guide): https://www.roberthalf.com/sites/default/files/Media_Root/images/at-pdfs/robert_half_2016_salary_guide.pdf
If I had to rate the concentrations, I'd say the following:
Financial: a solid, generic choice. Don't expect to stand out too much
Audit: Less numbers, more critical thinking. Great for learning how to audit. Between audit and tax, audit will pay more, but is more demanding. First few years you're counting money/inventory which is boring, but it picks up once you're manager.
Tax: I personally don't like tax, but that's just me. All older people in Tax i've seen have been well off. Depending on the area you could do fairly well.
Managerial/Cost: Lol, no. This is the easy choice (at least where i'm at) made for those people who will be in private accounting for the rest of your life.
Systems: Unless you are doing IT Audit or have a school that teaches ERP systems, not very helpful. You mainly take IT classes with the IT management students. It's harder to get into this field for internal because it's a lot smaller. Most small businesses don't have a complex IT system to require an IT internal Auditor and most the time they hire Public Accounting firms to do that part of it. That being said, it pays more and a good way to get into Public and differentiate yourself from the crowd.
I chose it because I loved doing math and I wanted to become a professor one day. I loved teaching and thought I would love to research.
I've since then, a few years later now and about to graduate, taken up other interests, including actuarial science, and no longer have any desire to go to graduate school for math and such.
And so I want to know what my prospects are for getting a job, any job, that will pay the bills while I keep on studying actuarial science. An analyst or consultant are also both highly appealing to me, but I need more work and more than likely more education before I have any shot at breaking into those careers.
>I've since then, a few years later now and about to graduate, taken up other interests, including actuarial science, and no longer have any desire to go to graduate school for math and such.
Then just get a job as an actuary and do the exams while you work, failing that, do 2 or 3 exams asap and then get work as an actuary.
Also, mathematics is rarely listed as God tier, it's usually good/great tier.
this, one person telling me im smart for my choice and the next telling me i fucked myself.
yolo i guess? I like econ anyway so if it turns out useless i can just pretend i did it as a passion.
always had an interest in it. Been working in insurance for loss adjusters, insurer claims dept, brokers and now managing claims for an insurance brokerage.
Even through the above list i've had pretty good pay increases, but it's still 1/5th of a successful insurance broker or actuary.
I've got like three majors i can pick for my masters (I live in South Korea). Should I go for International Business, International Trade, or International Finance?
I speak Korean and English so I'd be able to work at a company using both languages; but I'd like to know what major would give me the most opportunity.
>CompE is literally the get my PC to work low wage cucks
What are VLSI, embedded systems, FPGAs, DSP, Comp Architecture, Communications Systems, Automation, Robotics, Signal Processing, Control Theory, and the multitude of other fields that are a natural progression of CompE.
DESU you can make a CS degree very CompE oriented or vice versa. But the core difference is that CompE gets more rigorous math, physics, and electrical groundwork.
If I'm taking the harder econometrics courses and helping professors with some research at a meh tier school, will I have a chance at being employable at a decent company as an econ major? Also I live in New York City if that make a major like this better than if I was in the middle of Nebraska.
having lots of money from your parents is the only way to avoid being a wage cuck at a young age. After like 5 years of working, then you could cover your living expenses then not HAVE to be a wage cuck although must become vacuous consumerists who turn themselves into wagecucks by wasting their lives working 80% of the time and enjoying 20% at best. The only way to avoid wage cuckery is to become stoic and be happy with the loaf of bread and library and free time that you can enjoy for the entirety of your life.
>The only way to avoid wage cuckery is to become stoic and be happy with the loaf of bread and library and free time that you can enjoy for the entirety of your life.
And how do you get this bread?
Does anyone else feel like the oversaturation of university has ruined it?
I really wanted to be a just lawyer, and eventually a judge. Not for pay, or for pride or privilege, but to distribute justice.
Seems the only choices now are between CS, Math or Engineering.
You can do law, move out of the big cities where it's a bloodbath just to be a coffee collecting dry cleaning organizing intern and go into general practice.
Family Law (with post grad) will financially set you bruh. Money wise you'll be /comfy/ but you may be alone for a while because you can't wrap your head around what people will do to one another.
Is getting a master degree in math-economics a good idea?
I'm a huge math whore and I love money.
Is going for a Quantitative Social Science degree worth it? My other choice is Economics.
do aero if you 100% want a job in aero and love it.
do mech if you have a affinity to aerospace but want job prospect in other industries. (take Aero classes)
I am a systems engineer (lot of aeros end up with systems jobs these days to start out with).
I would do mech/ee under grad, aero MS.
but if you are truly passionate about AEROSPACE, do it. it is unbelievable about how awesome it is to feel that you know about some of the coolest "rocket science" mechanics
Graduating with a ba of economics with the math courses required to get my masters since my uni offered no bs of economics
I am also bilingual (having refined it by taking multiple courses in spanish)
Is there anyway i can pull a decent job 50k+ that is out of state without doing my masters first? Even willing to go to a comfy country.
I can't speak for America, but in the UK, I'd rate law pretty low. To get a law job, you've got to go through uni, then an extra course lasting something like 2 years, and then get a training contract, and at any stage in this process, you can fail, wasting time and money... and then there's the stress of actually being a lawyer if you do succeed.
Psychology is deceptive. If you stop at the undergrad level you're looking at a lifetime working retail or fast food. Being a professional baby sitter for special needs kids and criminals at best. If you go on the PhD level (which is doable if you're patient and intelligent) and there is a good amount of money in the research field right now. I'm in a PhD program in clinical psychology right now studying mechanisms of reinforcement in ADHD, and in nicotine addiction. The handful of people in my lab who have finished internship all had starting salaries of 70-80+ thousand per year (though granted this required an extra 5-7 years of making a shit stipend, which is what I'm on now). A friend of mine from undergrad did his BA in psychology and now manages retail. Another friend got his BS in psychology and now makes 50k as a research technician at a place that studies addiction. It's such a mixed bag of a major because it's an intersection of STEM and the soft sciences.
Biopsychology programs have their place within psych. departments, neuroscience graduate students are often psych undergrads, and research in psychology follows all of the requirements of what constitutes good science, up to and including objectively falsifiable hypotheses. That said, there's plenty of pseudoscience in the field as well. Like I said, an intersection.
What's the replicability rate of neuroscience? Something like less than 50%? Stop trying to put yourself on a pedestal by telling yourself you're STEM. All the ones doing actual science in neuroscience come from pure physics, chemistry or biology backgrounds anyway, not fucking feelchology.
Take a look at this retard. There are quite a few neuroscience and neuropharm programs housed within university psychology departments. Psychology is very much at the conflux of soft sociology type work and legitimate STEM research.
[spoiler] I'm a microbiologist so I don't give two shits about psych people. It's true though. [/spoiler]
>There are quite a few neuroscience and neuropharm programs housed within university psychology departments
Whoopdeefuckingdoo. Some administrators put the bulls and the sheep in the same yard. That means all sheep are bulls guys!
I seriously doubt that you're a microbiologist if you're this incapable of elementary critical thinking.
Psychology is the study of the mind which means that it inherently encompasses a wide range of topics ranging from cognition and emotional processing to ways in which cardiovascular health intersects with neurodegenerative disorders. It's a huge field that has many potential sub-disciplines some of which are hard and some of which are soft. Just because you've chosen to arbitrarily delineate it as just the fields you dislike doesn't mean that is how everyone views it nor does it mean that your view is an accurate reflection of reality.
And wow man, I've had my academic credentials called into question by a shitposter on /biz/. Guess I'll just stop doing research now.
> mathematics is god tier
> Computer Engineer is Unbelievable tier
> Transportation is shit tier
This list is so silly it makes Bugs Bunny cringe. I worked in a college and know mathematics doctorate graduates, transportation degree holders, and "Computer Science" grads alike.
CS is bullshit. 90% of people take it thinking they'll get all the cash but, frankly, everyone has that degree so it's worthless. Go to a trade school, get your certifications, and make a portfolio on your own: DO NOT DO COLLEGE. Otherwise get your CS degree and work at Mcdonalds or scramble for scraps as a startup company because that's where almost all CS grads end up.
My best friend is a doctor of mathematics with a NASA pedigree. His dad and grandfather are still NASA and he interned there. Guess what? He's teaching because everywhere else was full and turning folks away because dads and grand dads are still in the positions. Math doesn't get you as much as people think as you're pretty much waiting for people to die so you can get in. Good luck with that.
And then there's my pal Elliot who everyone laughed at for being a bus driver. He got his degree and keeps his certifications up to date with bi-yearly retraining. Elliot makes 40k a year off four hours of work five days a week. He invested his spare cash and runs a local comic shop in his spare time; something done out of love because he's a huge nerd. He owns three houses and rents two of them. He has a trophy wife. Now who's laughing?
> The list sucks
Attaching a better one from personal experience.
Chemical engineering student in their last semester here. Don't fall for the memes biz, the money isn't worth it. Just do something you enjoy, even art. I fucking regret every second I spend on this soul-sucking degree. Only a soulless robot, a pathetically boring human being could enjoy this shit. I'm currently trying to learn how to into art so I can eventually make my way out of this hellhole of a career. Don't make the same FUCKING mistake I did, please don't listen to the STEM sociopaths.
>law not oversaturated
>"social work" named twice and at all relevant
>mention Air Force as best
>avoid mentioning Marines
There's likely more that is wrong about this "improved chart", but I don't really care to go on.
Marines are a special branch of the Navy. Social work is relevant especially with the exploding poor classes and weakening middle class. I almost joined the military and talked with the recruiter: Air force is hardest to get into and the highest "ranked" to employers.
Law depends on what law you get into. Judges, for example, are still in need. Mix law with social work and you'll easily find a job.
Also fixed the double wording and updated the "slim pickings" list a little. Slim pickings means that the jobs are there, they just are harder to get into, low turnover, high competition, in larger cities only, or otherwise more limited which will make finding work tougher. Who cares how much it pays if you can't get hired.
Can you code?
Tons of shit to do with a math degree, you can work for financial institutions, if you are good at cryptography you can do security for large companies, you can model certain viruses or cells for pharmaceutical companies, you can work for the government or military.
Yes if u go to a great school for it
If not, couple it with another useful degree such as engineering, law etx
Even if u don't want to work in engineering or as a lawyer do it if u can because employees will pick u over a single degree guy. E.g investment banks hirw engineer/commerce guys because they don't doubt the engineers quantitative and math skills
Not even vaguely. Of the nine bachelors degrees most likely to propel you to six figures during your career the top ones are not on top of that list, and a few of them are listed at the bottom or middle.
political science is highly sought after for jobs where dealing with people is vital. I do it as part of my joint degree, and it's pretty easy, very enjoyable and teaches much more than you'd imagine. Saying that though, if you don't enjoy it as much as I do (it's already your passion) then i'd advise against it.
I know lots of international relations graduates (poli science in UK) and they've got good mainly managerial jobs.
People have a love/hate relationship with econ and poli science and studying them, I see why. The people on the course are some of the most intelligent people i've met, compared to the others but strangely it's not too hard to get a good mark (if you're passionate).
It truly is one of them degrees where if they enjoy it, you'll truly love the academic work and the work afterwards but if you don't then it's probably not worthwhile.
So whilst it has similar prospects to Law (not UK, that's bad-ish) it's no where near women's studies although most people (pol/biz) think it's similar in nature and therefore must be similar in content or character to women's studies but it couldn't be further from the truth
Your major doesn't define you. It should come naturally.
1. Take some things you love
2. Converge to find a middle point and to choose a major
3. Throughout your studies, be devoted (learn everyday, practice in your field as much as possible). Devotion is the key to the success
and that's it.
When I was 18, I played in a band, I loved movies and videogames. My middle point was audio engineering - now I'm working as a sound designer, absolutely loving every day of my job.
My friends who were using pictures like this one or thinking too much about their majors ended up without money and/or working in a totally different field than their major and/or miserable.
Make life your bitch and you're golden.
>tfw this advice leads me to a meme field
I like math, I like computers, I want to be a desk jockey. muh options are: accounting, data science, actuary.
Can anyone else who is pursuing the dosh, just leave us autist alone in our field.