>>1031980 Lel Our generarion has the glorious silicon valley FIRE train Want to retire at 30? Downright doable. Software engineers can kill their student loans in 1-2 years, save a couple mill in bonuses, then buy a house anywhere else and live off the interest.
The masters and phds in medieval architecture are fucked but who cares?
>>1032068 Also, there's plenty of money to be made in FOSS. And Mickey Mouse go three ears.
Fuck! Haven't you realized that the software biz is in most need of unionization? The occasional fag that can retire before grey hairs shows up, is and will always be hot smoke from the 90s blown up your ass.
>>1031980 Power law in action. 2% of talented people at the right place in the right time will make an enormous amount of money. The next 20%-30% will do well for themselves. Everybody else is fucked. This is the structure of vast majority of countries in the world that are economically libertarian (meaning no welfare for niggers), look at modern giants such as China (no welfare, no pensions), and Russia (nominal welfare, nominal pension). Both have a pack of very rich people at the top, a small middle class and a lot of poor. This is the future for the world, read Paul Graham if you want to know historical causes:
>>1031980 Not so my friend, by slowly retraining my consumerist whore habits and applying a systems approach to my lifestyle i've managed to clear my debt and pay off my property in 6 years and now live on approx 65% of my income.
I'll be retired by 2026 at age 39 and I didn't even have to give up the luxury of internet and smartphone
>>1032199 Yes. Not surprising, I know. But what younger engineers don't know is that retirement in your 40s is nearly mandatory in this career, that's why I pushed so hard for it to happen. Lots of problems occur after that point, so you need at least an alternative career to go to.
>>1032300 The main one is ageism. No-one likes to talk about it, since tech culture is supposed to be a meritocracy. "Look we hire of all races and genders!" But, if you look, no-one's over 30, lol.
It's a hard problem to deal with and there's a bit of an issue on both sides of the fence. From the company standpoint, they can get more hours for less pay out of someone with 5 years or less experience and if that's your only metric, then the choice is clear. Also, there is the perception that younger people know the latest stuff better than more experienced people.
From the employee perspective, the career itself burns you out faster because of the longer hours put in when you were younger. So, you're less tolerant of the bullshit. Plus, as you get older, you have more responsibilities, less time and less energy and so the pull is strong to drift into the cushier role of the resident expert on a specific area. Do this for too long and you are in danger of becoming a dinosaur. Plus, with a high salary and high savings rate over a longer period of time, your investments start to kick in just when you start to see some career degradation. So, many people move into less technical roles, switch careers completely, or just retire if they can.
Honestly, it's not a bad problem to have, but only if you're aware of the problem in the first place. I know a few people in their 50s who thought they'd be able to work until 65 and are now scrambling.
I struggled to deal with this for many years, not the retirement part but just the whole having to work for like 50 years or so. Now though I know there will be no hard stop for me. I'm learning to trade in the market now and will carry on this path until I die. So no matter what happens to my job prospects or anything else, this is a skill I can continue to use right to the end. It's my backup plan for life. I don't need a building or an office or staff or business. I just need an internet connection and a computer. I'm setting myself up with the capital now while I'm able and every small baby step I make just makes it better and better.
I'm really enjoying learning how the markets work. It definitely appeals to my nature.
>>1032337 Good analysis. I would like to add some to it.
I haven't worked in IT yet. I will probably not, despite me having a vocational degree in programming. Because I got AS and don't like huge, unstructured gatherings of fags that never own the situation they're in.
And yes, young people tend to be best at the latest stuff. But once you get a bit older, you're looking for contingency plans. You're also more interested in the history and the more theoretical side of stuff. I wouldn't bet much money on that the young cannon fodder knows of this baby, even less read it. True, it won't teach you how to make that latest hot thing. But taking the latest hot thing AND the circumstances of how it was made for granted will impede you.
Let's say that you yourself has used programs that did pretty much the same thing some 15-20 years ago. Only slower. But easier to understand and easier to make backups. (Floppies, anyone?) Then it's The New Times and backups is made "in The Cloud". And everything is nice until the system goofs and it takes forever to restore from backups. So the fags in the 20-30s that never questioned the sloppy backup systems got told hard.
And this is why performance isn't the same thing as productivity. Everyone knows that if you look at raw power the latest gaming rig is superior to a Mac Mini. But if you want a computer for your home music studio, or to make programs for Apple Store, then Mac Mini is the way to go. Or why not HP 50G (has a 2GB SD-slot) compared to HP Prime (quick & color screen but no SD-slot)?
>>1033408 Another problem is that IT still is regarded as that magic panacea with no hidden nor displaced costs at all. Then the IT sector, at least in the US, is the one that needs to be.
I borrowed this book yesterday (one of the editions). Have only browsed it and most of the examples are swedish. Don't know if it's translated to english, but if not it should be. The author has a blog in english:
And this is why the starry-eyed youngs may fail. If they didn't experience The Great Database Fuckup of 2003 and lived to tell about it, then they're probably the last to raise objections when the IT systems are going to have a huge overhaul.
>>1032337 Ageism aside, it's still no meritocracy.
I once worked in an office where _I_ was the diversity hire. Worked with an Indian, two white women, and a Hispanic, under an old white woman. All but one of them was as dumb as a box of hammers and she bailed out right after I was fired. Was working on an escape and had my timetable pushed up a few more weeks than expected.
But seriously, I worked in half a dozen places where having experience and being good was a liability.
>potential boss: we want top people who think outside the box to move the business forward >now your boss: do only the bare minimum and don't ask questions or we'll make up an excuse to fire you
And that's why people hate computers. They're stuck with awful software that any thinking person could dramatically improve if only they could get hired and stay hired.
>>1031980 >convocated from University in 2002 >College of Commerce, Finance major >by 2009 have enough saved and invested so that if I never save one new dollar I am projected to retire in my 50s as a millionaire >keep saving and investing anyway
>>1033668 >I once worked in an office where _I_ was the diversity hire. What are you then? A colored gentleman?
>Worked with an Indian, two white women, and a Hispanic, under an old white woman. All but one of them was as dumb as a box of hammers and she bailed out right after I was fired. In what way was they dum-dums? And who wasn't the dum-dum?
>>1033749 No, white male. One white woman was smart and left, 90% sure because she was tired of working with/for idiots.
The developers were dumb because they couldn't program. They were literally guessing at it. Who dictates a library/tool and then can't answer any questions about it? Couldn't understand error messages and ignored bug reports too. And while they'd bang their heads into the same wall over and over expecting a different result, any research into any problem was "too expensive." Durka never ever documented a change, just checked in non-compiling code and let everybody else sit for a day or two while he guessed his way through a fix.
So this was a really simple app. HR records...names, job titles, etc. They'd worked on it for a year and had almost nothing done. Library has a bug where it wouldn't save; just threw an exception. Durka denied it even with a fucking screenshot. Filed a bug, sat for 2 months. Worked around it, got berated. Filed it again, sat another 2 months. Asked about it one day and durka went into a tirade about how he had sooooo many e-mails to read every day (a whopping 10).
Now it's like 5 months further past the deadline and they're panicking. So they do 3 things. 1, waste a day replacing all the icons on the main menu with the same icon. 2, haul me, whose work is actually done (if they fix the save, that is), into a meeting to whine about my variable naming. These are people who never spelled a word the same way twice having a fucking conniption that I capitalized "SQL" somewhere. 3, hire _more_ contractors who have to be brought up to speed on their shit code that doesn't work and squabble about whether or not to give them access to e-mail.
How this relates to interviews? This was take 3 on this app. SAP and CRM failures preceded it. Told them flat out I wasn't interested in another ERP clusterfuck. And then they repeated every single fuckup endemic to them.
>>1032208 SV, from an engineering perspective, has very typical needs and wants for development. It's HR and recruiters that fuck everything to hell (typical corporate problems).
The smaller firms in the Valley are supposedly excellent to work for. But you'll almost never hear about them because "hurr durr they aren't blowing $2 billion a year in VC funds just to get aqui-hired".
What the hell is actually a good field to get into? >Business >Engineering >Tech >Medical >HR
There's a product I want to create, but I'm not sure how to make it happen. Do I need to go back to school? It's frustrating as hell because it seems like just about everything caps out around $50,000 a year unless you make it to manager, or have years of experience/expertise.
>>1031980 Reminder that if you actually do this, you are doing it at your own freewilly. If you dont want to, dont do it. If somehow you end up in trouble, make those troubles go away. If (say) for some reason your government wants you to work untill death so they dont have to, why not simply kill them, ruin the fun for everyone? Idiots..
>>1033622 and created the widest wealth gap known to mankind, and a massive debt burden, and the most expensive yet ineffective education system in the world, and left the world in complete shambles from constant meddling in foreign affairs.
>30 >white >dual undergrad in management and marketing >masters degree in management >graduated at top of class >own home >make OK, but not great money (about $65k a year) >live in low-cost area >save over 50% of income >rich parents >fiance also has rich parents
Still will probably never retire, even with all these advantages. Feels bad mane.
>>1037871 The Spartans were abducted when they were 8-12 year old children. By the time the Human-Covenant war ends, Master Chief is over 40 years old. The SPARTAN IIIs *were* originally teenagers thrown into combat, until Bungie retconned all the lore and turned them into SPARTAN IIs with slightly different armor.
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