My mom is really pushing me to take up nursing in college because pretty much all of my family is a nurse. They all make good money, but it's not really the job I want to be. I'm more of the lawyer or the investment banker type, but it's highly unlikely due to my moms disapproval and I won't be attending a top 10 school.
Can I still live the life I want to live while being a Nurse?
If the reason you want to be an IB or a lawyer is because of the prestige/money associated with it, why not become a doctor?
If it's because you like the culture surrounding finance and law then you are only going to be satisfied doing that. Doctors/nurses (other than psychiatrists) make money from helping people, lawyers and bankers make so much more money by often exploiting other people.
im an anesthesiologist, i make around 300k a year (i make 570k~ thanks to having other streams of income). I dont know how can a man be so unambicious as to dicide not to study the extra years, that in the end will be worth it.
but there are "oops you will feel the effects of the anesthesia for another 2 hours" fuck ups, and then there are "oops i just punctured your spinal cord and you may probably loose your mobility from the waist down" fuck ups. Neither of those are common for me or the people i work with, but thanks for reminding me to do my job right.
>thanks for reminding me to do my job right.
I wouldn't think of it, I was just pointing out that the relative high risk of fucking someone up and being liable would turn many off from your choice of career.
I studied to be a nurse for a year on my mothers advice. It was terrible. Working with women really sucks because they make drama out of nothing.
Then I switched to law. And all people there were friendly, open and logical. And I finished the degree without too much hassle.
So, I've been there and I wouldn't recommend it.
As a male nurse 2 things.
1.) go shadow a nurse at a hospital for a day, med surg floor. , do the same with a nurse at a skilled nursing facility. You really need to understand what you're getting into here.
2.) its not a bad gig as far as ROI , schools relatively short and the math is middle school level but without overtime you're guaranteeing yourself middle class income whereas an electrical engineer could easily get a 5% raise every year for an entire career working for a missile company or something. Basically you get to be middle class fast and you have job security but even becoming a nurse practitioner (masters degree) MIGHT barely put you into 6 figure terriroty (obviously the numbers change if you live in like cali or something but the extra money is eaten up by taxes and housing costs so its a push and you're still middle class)
So if you're just wanting money then no, even if you went straight for the NP (masters) you'd still earn less than a lawyer (maybe not investment banker, ive heard the bottoms dropped out on that)
However, you may not know this but to make any real money as a lawyer you'll be pulling 80-100 hour weeks easy, indefinitely.
You could get an associates in nursing, become an rn and work 80 hours a week for 2 years, live like you're still in college and invest the remainder and then just coast for 20 years (the investment from those 2 years will be worth over a million dollars within 20 years time)
by coast I mean work part time / per diem and just fuck around a lot,
You can basically pick your days and hours as a nurse.
haha, because that shit will be automated within a decade (pic related, its already happening) and you'll be back down to normal nurse money to babysit the machine?
>Literally clean up bowel movements all day.
what kind of cheeseball halfass hospital do you work at? my fucking aids do that shit
I was a cna at a nursing home for 3 years, I did my booty duty
I'm asking because I saw this:
On average, how many hours a week do you work? How many hours a night do you sleep? How many weeks of vacation do you take?
I work about 45 hours per week at UAB. When I was in private practice I often worked up to 80. I sleep 8 hours a night, more than when I was young. I get 6 weeks of vacation.
Do you have a family? If so, has becoming a doctor and being a doctor made making time for family difficult?
Yes, I have a family and to some extent it has been difficult. My long work hours led my wife to quit her career so one of us could be around for the kids.
So it seems like you either make a lot of money in the private sector and work 80 hours a week, or work less hours and make less money in the public sector.
english is not my native language
its not getting automated, and if it does, i still have more income sources. The major key is to not rely on just one source. Another one. Also, i can always study another specialty.
and i dont have family, i will think about it when i am at least 45 and yes i know thats an old age to be a father.
thats a pretty retarded statement. The reality is that the quality of the sperm is not the same as if i was 20 and there is more risk of getting a defective product, but hey theres reproductive medicine.
pay can actually be quite good if you specialize ($60k - $90k)
actual nobility in your profession
you can work 3 days a week (if you don't mind the 12 hour day)
hard as fuck on the body, back and feet especially
doctors treat you like a servant
get fucking blamed all the time for shit
dealing with difficult and disgusting people on a daily basis
nursing aint bad, its meh. My only complaint is how it fucks up your body. Its hard on the back and feet.
although, I'm not sure you really comprehend what being a lawyer or investment banker is like. IMO both those jobs suck.
Business owner is king.
oh yeah I want to give up the 10 best years of my life
oh yeah I want to help prop up the doctor monopoly that keeps a cap on total number of doctors available to the public
oh yeah I want to spend my years assisting fat fucks and smokers who cant keep the gravy out of their mouth for 2.5 seconds
oh yeah I want to marry a chick whose sole interest is being able to say, "I married a doctor" at the tennis club
If everyone lived like me, yall would be out of business overnight.
a nurse is basically what a person becomes when they don't want all the responsibility of a doctor, but still want to work irregular or crazy hours at half the pay while not having to be in college for 8+ years.
Currently in Nursing school and I too cant stop obsessing whether its a good choice or not. The pros are that if you are male you are practically 100% guaranteed a job the second you graduate, at least that is the case where I live. The starting pay is pretty good, and if you become a Practitioner, you can make an upwards of six figures. What gets me is that beyond a Masters there doesn't seem to be much more advancement opportunity, the most you could make would be like 120 K
well you sure are stereotyped.I actually started medschool thinking i just lost 10 years of my life but it actually wasnt quite that. i was studying and working and still was able to go out with friends and even travel. So yeah, keep telling yourself that.
well in my country, the semester costed about 200 dollars because it was a goverment university, and it still is a top 5 in the country. Dont you have those oportunities in yours? i was poor as fuck, and as i said i had to work to study, and im pretty sure im far from poor now.
a friend of mine did that and now she's going for nursing since apparently it sucks. (and now she's even further behind since she hasn't even done her basics/core classes at any college).
Specialized nurse or Physicians Assistant
Nurse Anesthetists clear 220k in Emergency Rooms.
PA's are becoming the new Doctors, they can issue prescriptions, prepare diagnoses, and open their own practices in some states without Doctor's supervision.
Where are you from?
Im 2 more years from finishing med school and just recently made my mind to go for radiology problem is Im a fucking slav-czech and unsure about what country should I aim for (obviously not slavland)
afaik canada by some retarded legislature doesnt accept MD's from czech.
USA is an option though I'm unsure about the life there.
Also was considering Sweden for starters, then maybe eastern asia.
>60k to 90k
Holy fuck you people are poor. I'm glad I work IT. That is bullshit.
I think Nurse Practitioner was rated the #2 job in America recently. They actually are moving towards doctoral entry and have complete independence in practice in about half the states right now.
So, go to school for 4+3 years instead of 4+4+3-7, have the Dr. title, and the ability to hang your own shingle "So-and-so medical practice," and make just around 6 figures (They can charge insurance around 85% of the M.D./D.O. rate). Seems like a pretty good deal.
You are talking to a Doctor with more than 8 years of experience in the healthcare field in two countries. Trust me when i tell you that Nurses will never replace Doctors and will never have our wages.
As specialists no, in family practice, they already are in the US. The thing a lot of physicians seem to miss is the fact that family medicine physicians add little actual value in modern medicine because of the rise of referrals.
A family physician now generally maxes out on 2-3 concurrent conditions before someone's primary becomes an internist. The age of family docs being the generalist who took care of someone with a host of ailments is long gone. A Nurse Practitioner can fulfill the same role because they have to pick their specialty immediately, so their entire post-graduate training is 100% in family or adult medicine.
Do family physicians have a greater depth of knowledge and larger skill set? Of course. Does it actually translate to better outcomes in multiple studies? Nope. Physicians simply should not be going into general/family practice because there is not enough value added by all of that extra education by doing so. As long as the clinical endpoints show NP=MD=PA, then the extra education is hard to justify.
Specialists however, are completely different.
I dont even get your point anymore, kid. Mine is: nurses are nurses and will have a nurse wage, a nurse title and will be treated as nurses. Doctors are doctors, will have a doctor's wage and will be trated as doctors. People need to learn their place, or change it if they don't like it, instead of trying to glorifying it.
I did not think the concept was that complicated. In the field of family medicine particularly, the actual role and practices of a physician vs. nurse practitioner vs. PA is the same. Due to this fact, the equal nature has been born out in multiple studies showing that it did not matter which served as the primary care practitioner in regard to patient outcome.
The fact that don't seem to understand the difference in roles that individuals experience even within the same general class (e.g. 2 yr. RN vs. CRNA) in the medical field while being a "Doctor with more than 8 years of experiences" is unsettling.
I just noticed the "kid," as well. Well done. You've surely eviscerated my point with that.
It's not glorification. It's simply looking things from a cost/benefit perspective in administration. You can get almost two NPs for the cost of an MD, to do the same exact job. In family practice with equal outcomes, you can replace most MDs with mid-levels. The fact that they are getting more practice rights means they can be utilized more by organizations with virtually no downside.
A lot of small ERs are going from multiple M.D.s to an M.D. and an acute care NP or PA which has a cost savings of around $100k a year and doesn't dramatically change outcomes or reimbursement. (NPs are doing suturing, while MDs run codes).
As far as jobs go, NPs and PAs are the best possible jobs because they have more job security than even a lot of physicians? Or haven't your radiologist friends been telling you how they've been getting destroyed en masse by telemetry and long-distance consulting?
Nurses are poor. Why do you care what poor people think?
Nurses arent neccesarily doctors assistances. They both have a very different role.
Nurses observe and keep a patient stable. The doctors diagnoze and operate.
Not sure how it is in America but where I live all ambulances for example are run by nurses.
And if you work with certain disabled or elderly patients that need care you might not even come across a doctor for days.
>My mom is really pushing me to take up nursing in college because pretty much all of my family is a nurse.
Why do people do this?
Why would it ever be a good idea to put all your eggs (family) in one basket (profession)?
Tell your mom she's a dumb cunt.
So is it best to become a PA rather than going the extra mile to become an M.D/D.O? I've just started college with my goal being to become one of those, but I feel that I haven't done enough research to really come to a final decision.
You have to determine what you want first and foremost. If you desire to be a specialist, then M.D. or D.O. track is the way to go. This comes with accepting the generally longer hours that physicians tend to have.
For family practice then the best options are either PA or Nurse Practitioner. Each have their own benefits. They both make around the same amount of money, $80-100k. They both have similar education requirements 4+2 for certification.
Can work in any field. A physician just needs to sign off on skills. So a PA can go from family medicine to cardiology to ER without retraining.
Licensed. A PA's abilities are granted under an M.D.'s or D.O.'s license whereas an NP's authority is run under their personal nursing license.
Dr. title. NP's can go an extra year (soon to be mandatory) to become DNP entry levels. There are like 2 Doctoral PA programs.
(Kinda) Autonomy: Half of states give NPs full practice rights, so they can open their own practices. Other states require agreements with physicians which can be very costly.
NP Disadvantage (HUGE):
Constrained work environment. NPs are only certified in a single field. Family - Acute Care Pediatric - Psychiatric (More $$). If you want to change areas you have to take upwards of an additional year to train for certification in that field. You couldn't go from an office to a hospital without going from primary to acute for instance.
So pick your poison.
It also should be added that a PA is trained under the medical model, whereas NPs fall under the holistic nursing model.
The medical model is generally more rigorous, and requires a lot more hours of experience, and stronger science knowledge.
That said, nurses have better unions, so they'll generally have more stability job wise, or more pointedly it'll be harder to get rid of you even if you suck.
On the flip side, nursing is 91% women. Men have an escalator up into administration and advanced practice generally because they are more competent, but you are going to be answering to and dealing with large groups of women all the time unless you have your own practice. This comes with a great deal of social stigma as well.
In the end it is all what you want out of life. If you want to be the top rung, with the fancy house and big car, but you are willing to put in 12 years of your life and 50 hours a week then go M.D./D.O.
If you'd rather have more career flexibility, better times (like working 3 12s a week), but living at an upper-ish middle class lifestyle then go for a PA/NP.
I'll definitely put more thought into it and come to a decision about where I want to go in life, and based on your points I think that I'm ruling out NP. PA and M.D./D.O. are still huge options for me.
I'll look more in depth into the varying specialties and see what I like.
Thank so much, anon, I really appreciate it