Ok guys, are we approaching a bear market now or what is happening? Should one buy put-options?
China is contracting and everyone is high on debt, and the Fed ended ZIRP and will probably rise the interest rate further.
What do you think /biz/?
it was crystal clear that we were on the very edge of the bull market in late 2015. honestly just sit on the sidelines and learn more about stock trading.
i still don't know what's going on with oil though. were people saying it was going to bottom out?
I've seen this post past 5 years every week. No, the q1 will be high vola, likely slightly negative.
2017-2018 we are looking new insane highs in us stock market as money has no place to go than dollar, bonds will be out of question.
kinda like zerohedge or something that has preached about the coming collapse past 6 years pretty much every day, missing the whole 3rd best rally of all time.
I dont give a shit. Rally is a rally. All money is leveraged debt in the end. People seem to confuse stock market to real economy, those two are complete seperate things. In china it is even more hilarious, the whole exchange is a casino I dont think there is a single person in china buying and holding over a month without some insane leverage haha
>What do you think /biz/?
That american cartoonists that draw in this...style should be taken to the back of the garden shed to be shot together with the ghost writers.
zerohedge is one of the biggest jokes in online finance. Basically the Alex Jones of trading.
>short every US equity!
>buy all the gold!
>US dollar going to be worth less than Argentinian rubles!
If that fucking guy had to live off his trading profits instead of slinging shit to suckers he'd starve
Not that guy but still laying my long, putting 1/3 of my after-expense after-tax income into my portfolio and the rest into a housing fund while waiting for a housing crash in the next 10 years or so. Renting is cheaper than the non-principle costs of housing in my area, I can wait.
why are people acting like the stock market is crashing or contracting.
the DOW is close to 17k. even if it crashes, will only go to like 10k - which is basically 2010 levels.
so all we'd lose is maybe 5-6 years; and then it would bounce back. i fail to see why everyone is panicking
We are at the end of a bull market and are not going to see 2013 level growth rates any time soon but there is not enough certainty about whether the market will go down or remain level.
I think the herd generally understands that rates had to go up some time and are unlikely to believe that the sky is falling or a few overvalued tech companies and bubbles that might burst will drag down the entire market.
>i fail to see why everyone is panicking
Tell that to people with 401Ks who will lose 40+% of their life savings. (oh its only dropping back to 2010 levels)... Dont think about it in years. Think of it in percents.
5 years of "savings" doesnt sound bad. Realizing you have been putting money into a 401K for the last 25 years, and it suddenly lost 20-60%. We arent talking about 5 years, we are talking about what people have worked for their entire adult working lives
The vast majority of people after 25-30 years of work...are no where near retiring.
It doesnt help that the normal places to put money, like bonds, have over the last decade paid such low returns you are better off just dumping money into a Money Market account.